The Bible

[cellardoor]

That's right panopticon Without challenging Dogma we would still be in the dark ages. The bible is pure mythos that panders to peoples love of rhetoric yet it provides not one rational explanation to who we are or why we are. I love your name panopticon. For doesn't the word of the so called god act as a mental panopticon? Aren't we all imprisoned under the vale of Yahweh? He's the invisible guard, the thought police, as envisioned by Orwell. Is the demiruge a master psychologist, hell bent on subverting the minds of man? That is the only logical explanation for me, anyway.

[Beren]

Posted by cellardoor (here)

why would I need to become a god when I am already a God?
Son or daughter of Creator and inheritor of all.
Why would I need to be taught about good and evil when I am in oneness in position of unity not duality?

The god of the Gnostics is "Becoming". There is no omnipotent "architect" but the sum of a dialectical struggle, teleologically striving to "Know" itself as the omega. The Omega is what the Gnosics regard as "God" it is the end of evolution of the universe, from the one to the many back to the one, so on and so forth. The Gnostics thought that every atom was alive and possessed the will to power. Every atom has mind, a mind/spirit. The sum total of the dimensionless mind exists parallel to the dimensional matter dancing in a feed back loop of existence. The human mind would be the sum dimensionless minds fullest expression within dimentional matter the "many" at this stage of evolution. Gnosis would involve fully engaging the dimensionless sum total mind of the universe, the akashic records, and expressing the sum total with in the dimensional domain thus becoming God like.

Good and evil is nothing but the struggle of the master/slave dialectic. In genesis Lucifer taught Eve that she was ultimately a slave to Yahweh. He taught Eve that Yahweh was Evil for wanting power over her and that no being need be subordinate to another. All are equal. this is the struggle we have been plagued with for aeons. According to Yahweh Good is following his word and Evil is doing the opposite. He is the ultimate slave master that is why the Gnostics see him as the prince of darkness because they have a much more sophisticated concept of Evil.

Moses BTW spoke to yahweh via the arch of the covenant. This is how he summoned the war God Yahweh, to defeat the Egyptian usurpers. Which ultimately was nothing other than Moses's deranged psyche manifest before him. Every thing in the bible is just manifestations of psyche they are bias views of history. Genesis is a myth that the Gnostics provided the antithesis to. They saw it's power to subvert people, ignorance would reign supreme unless they provided a counter myth that promoted knowing thyself over giving thyself. Alas people find it easier to give themselves to god than to know themselves as god. Ignorance/darkness/fear are the tools of the deiruge/yahweh/satan and they are very affective through the Abrahamic religions non more than Christianity.

Lucifer taught Eve that she was a slave to Yahwe ?

I just do not see the truth in this statement.
Can you elaborate why do you think the perfect woman and perfect man ,living in paradise in open communication with God (which all creation desires ever so in whole universe),with perfect health and abilities that most creatures and beings in universe dream of , elaborate or explain why do you think Eve was a slave?

Secondly everything that tabernacle was - is a representation of spiritual things to lower conscience population then.
Thirdly Moses didn't summoned anyone like some nations summoned fallen spirits.

Arc of the covenant was a symbol of holiness where God resides and that no low conscience can enter it whenever it pleases for its physical body will be destroyed ( not being able to be present in unclear lower DNA form in light of creation).
Can you look at the Sun today more than a second directly?

Can you physically go to the Sun and be alive in body and not burned?

No.

Same with that symbol of the arc which is BTW removed from world because Christ was about to appear and teach about raising the frequency and being united with God after ages of duality and "path of becoming" as you wrote Gnostic thought.

Terms Demiurge and Yahwe and Satan blended in one are simply silly attempts to say that black is actually white.
The mere allowance of Lucifer's existence and its efforts to prove its point was and is an act of unconditional love from Creator.
But Lucifer has already started to reap his fruits and they are not pleasant.


Gnostic teaching are many philosophies blended in one so you can trace borrowing from Here and There, a bit of Islam, a bit of Buddhism, a bit of Hinduism a bit of shamanism and looks like one big pot of Goulash.
Also why Vatican and its spawns are like this today was and is because they abandoned true teachings of Bible .
They claim Bible as their own rule book but they are miles far away from it.

They don't even respect their own translations of the Bible.

That's why word of God is blasphemed by many.

Same goes for wise scriptures from all over the planet, every single one was put though mire of human deeds .

Buddha and other wise humans were living different life than their adherents today because of the same thing of what happened with Bible .

Again when one grows in unity with God - one doesn't need Bible to be reminded of how things work or any other wise text. Because on lives on in unity with creator.
Jesus didn't need books to be reminded, Buddha didn't needed book to be reminded- only ones who still gauge on in spiritual mire.

Time to be washed and cleansed in spirit where all written human words vanish to open the space to living holy spirit of Creator by which we are able to BE.

[cellardoor]

If you cannot see the truth in the statement surely you can accept that genesis and evolution are completely at odds. I didn't say truth I said counter myth, based on archetypes of the psyche. That is all they are. God did not create perfect humans we evolved. Are you seriously believing that the complete fossil record of science isn't a good indicator that the bible in particular the old testament is complete rubish?

You are asking me what the perfect woman and man is well we will see what the dialectic produces. Gnosticism is philosophy. It is the some total of the greatest minds. You are completely at odds with the bible if you think that Yahweh is unconditional love. Even Red disagrees with you. If Yahweh was unconditional love why did he give the condition that Adam and Eve no eat from the tree? And if he did actually care even in the slightest why not put the tree somewhere else? And if Jesus was the son of the Unconditionally loving God, why did he give conditions? It's philosophical nonsense. It's someone with a low IQ trying to explain why we exist with a story. That is all. It doesn't deserve a second thought.

[RedeZra]

Posted by cellardoor (here)
Are you seriously believing that the complete fossil record of science isn't a good indicator that the bible in particular the old testament is complete rubish?

the fossil record goes to show

massive amounts of animals plants and other organisms sometime in the past suddenly buried under mud

and so preserved and not devoured by scavengers or microorganisms


fossils and seashells are also found up in the mountains


all the old cultures of the earth share a great flood story

and that is because the Biblical Flood actually happened


the fossil record goes to show that

[Beren]

Posted by cellardoor (here)
If you cannot see the truth in the statement surely you can accept that genesis and evolution are completely at odds. I didn't say truth I said counter myth, based on archetypes of the psyche. That is all they are. God did not create perfect humans we evolved. Are you seriously believing that the complete fossil record of science isn't a good indicator that the bible in particular the old testament is complete rubish?

You are asking me what the perfect woman and man is well we will see what the dialectic produces. Gnosticism is philosophy. It is the some total of the greatest minds. You are completely at odds with the bible if you think that Yahweh is unconditional love. Even Red disagrees with you. If Yahweh was unconditional love why did he give the condition that Adam and Eve no eat from the tree? And if he did actually care even in the slightest why not put the tree somewhere else? And if Jesus was the son of the Unconditionally loving God, why did he give conditions? It's philosophical nonsense. It's someone with a low IQ trying to explain why we exist with a story. That is all. It doesn't deserve a second thought.

Ok first things first.
Semantics are the trouble makers since I think we all here on this thread speak about the same thing ,thought from different angles and different emotions.

Genesis and its statements about creation are in fact the truth from very basic point of view since they were obvious statements.
Many scientists analyzed them word for word and they agree that if taken literal could be wrong but if taken non literal could mean a lot.

We could go for hours now is it or isn't true but there were many threads on many forums and many links which stated obvious findings .
Now Evolution is a perfectly normal process in existence ,just not the one Darwin taught.

I do not disprove Gnostic minds for they bring very good points and things ,it's just that you cannot undermine something which you don't agree with (Bible in their terms) and put it into mire.
Philosophy means love for the word .

It's just wise not to stray a lot from truth for you might get lost in philosophy, doubting your own very existence and being locked in reasoning that doesn't have sense.
Everything that is from creator has sense in all its marvelous levels.

I told you that Bible says that God is Love and it is unconditional , you have to read it as a whole. Then connect dots and why's when's and such .
Unconditional love isn't like we might wanna think about it.

And surely isn't what those guys and gals from OT thought of.
Shall I repeat again that God which is portrayed in Vatican and crew through out history ,claimed that was Biblical , has absolutely nothing with Bible?
Why ?

Because of same spirit named Lucifer that twists and bends weak wills.

I will bold this Bible has nothing to do with any organized religion upon the Earth though many claimed that they are sole possessors of its wisdom.

If Vatican listened the Bible they wouldn't be like this today or had blood on their hands.
We wouldn't have any organized church or Christian religious movement.

We would have people who simply grew up and became ones whom they were called for from Christ and God.
We wouldn't need any scripture at all.

That was an aim of Christ and many more such as Buddha.
Look even this statement can be found in Bible...
But how can you know if you don't read it?

See judging something without knowing can be like boomerang to you.

For example I didn't read anything from Vedas and Hindu stuff , I barely understand them but I don't yell they are devils work...
I respect them and if they can add something valuable to humanity then bring it on. but if they add bull then I'll pass.

Also for the tree , they weren't forbidden to eat from it , they were told what will happen if they eat from it.
And why hide it?

When you are in oneness with God , nothing can be hidden from you. Even of you throw it out in far side of the paradise...

And first step out of oneness is duality. So no wonder why tree stood sided with tree of life. Two most important realms of existence-two trees.
But despite our choice to step into duality God allowed us that . See when they communicated with God before the fall, they understood all, now when they tasted the fruit of duality ,their ability to clearly and fully understand God has suddenly diminished. So Loving God became all of a sudden a wrathful one - from their own perspective then. In reality -they changed - not God.

So should they now blame God for their condition?
One moment they are in unity and second moment they fell.

AHHH God you maniac!!! look what you did to us!

Who tasted the duality?
Who reached to fruit because suddenly it is beautiful to look and taste?

Man and woman did.
Not God.

But God lovingly prepared a comeback for mankind to oneness and full conscience and full understanding of God.
If you walk the street and see a scene where a man yells at his kid, would you judge him as child abuser or maybe you should ask that didn't maybe kid wanted to run across the street filled with heavy traffic and got killed.




And finally you speak about philosophical nonsense not worth of second thought. OK then I can take your measure bowl and say that everything else that isn't according to me and is your argument is philosophical nonsense so why should I bother listening to you at all. Where this kind of talk will lead us?

Nowhere my friend.

[Beren]

Panopticon you just said it well , where would we be if we didn't question dogma.
I salute you for this statement.

I don't share your views but again I love talking with you and this is what makes us human. Ability to weave our words until we find the one we've been looking for all along.

Looking from high vantage point we are all right because we see from our own angle , but it's always better to raise here and there and see the whole picture.

[cellardoor]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)
Are you seriously believing that the complete fossil record of science isn't a good indicator that the bible in particular the old testament is complete rubish?

the fossil record goes to show

massive amounts of animals plants and other organisms sometime in the past suddenly buried under mud

and so preserved and not devoured by scavengers or microorganisms


fossils and seashells are also found up in the mountains


all the old cultures of the earth share a great flood story

and that is because the Biblical Flood actually happened


the fossil record goes to show that

Dude the flood was supposed to have happened about 4000 years ago. You find a fossil up a mountain and it's likely to be more like 4,000,000 years old tectonic shifts, earthquakes, landslides thats how fossils get up mountains. Floods happen all the time. Big deal. Humans have been huntergatherers for way more than 4000 years. And there is archaeological evidence that says there was no such flood at that time. Humans were flourishing 4000 years ago. This is what I mean there is a complete lack of evidence to support the Bible god knows people have tried. If we are going to look at other culture myths which do talk of a flood then why not believe them over the bible? They seem to have more of an understanding of passage of time than the moronic descendants of Abraham.

[greybeard]

The truth lies some where in the middle I suspect.
Yes the flood happened--- probably more than once-- its cyclic.
Science is proving we have a conscious universe and our thoughts affect/interact with this.
I believe there is a hell-- the realms of the lower astral.
Dr Hawkins, whom I tend to trust, states that those that flirt with the devil ugie boards etc have no idea what they are letting themselves into.
Its just a bad idea to even entertain.
Hawkins having been brought up the Episcopalian faith and was a strong believer lost faith when the collective horrors of the world were shown to him.
He could not believe in a god who could cause or let this happen.
He became an atheist.
Years later he was dying of an incurable disease saw the depth of hell and in terror called out. "If there is a God I ask Him for help"
He then lost consciousness but when he came to he knew that he had been touched by the thought of an archangel and was in the state called enlightenment.
He says that he was right that a loving God did not cause the violence and evil of this world it was the excess of human ego. Egomania.
Now he shares that information and how to transcend the ego and is devoted to the Truth and a loving God.
The state called enlightenment is a knowing state and he says of the Old Testament that Genesis Proverbs and Psalm are of a high spiritual vibration.
The rest of a low vibration.
The New Testament of a high vibration except for Revelations which is very low.
Hawkins claims that was channeled from the lower astral. That place not having the best interest of the human race at heart to say the least.
The lower astral has virtual control of much of human life.
They promote violence through the media of violent computer games, gangster rap and many other modalities in this era.
We are spoon fed all kinds of negativity right from birth.
Be that as it may be--- the ultimate Truth is all this is Maya.
In reality only God is and we are That.
We are the waves of the Divine ocean.

Chris

[andrei]

The Bible is not the only document that describes a great flood. There are ancient sources much much older than the Bible that tell us that. Probably was the hand of the same bloodthirsty, genocidal being you call the God of the Old Testament.
He seems to need good, docile, blind sheep living in fear, not self aware, intelligent human beings.
The old documents i mentioned tell us of other great cataclysms in the past that almost wiped out humanity, not once, but 4 times.
Can it be that as soon as humans start to open their eyes a little and question the situation they`re in, they get thrown back in the dark ages of ignorance and fear by the same "loving and forgiving father" ?
I guess He was serious about the whole "love me or i`ll kill you" thing...
Personally i`d rather prefer a god that i choose to love out of my own free will, than out of fear of eternal damnation, or threaths that my soul will burn in some imaginary hell.

[RedeZra]

Posted by cellardoor (here)
The bible is pure mythos that panders to peoples love of rhetoric yet it provides not one rational explanation to who we are or why we are.

we are the descendents of Adam and Eve

devolutin down through the millennia

in accordance with the laws of entropy

degeneratin the human genome


we are poor jokes compared to our ancestors

physically mentally spiritually


we are the degenerates


there is no way out or up from here

only steady decline into chaos and disorder


we are the mutant meltdowns


if God permits

time will extinct humans

through genetic entropy

[RedeZra]

Posted by cellardoor (here)
Dude the flood was supposed to have happened about 4000 years ago.

yes we are not old at all

and we are devolvin

entropy


i'm sure some past cataclysmic event

raised the mountains in no time

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The New Testament of a high vibration except for Revelations which is very low.
Hawkins claims that was channeled from the lower astral.

Revelation foresee a future of doom and gloom

and is in accordance with what Jesus foretold in the New Testament

the end of an age


where humanity will go through a short Great tribulation

includin volcanos war earthquakes fallin asteroids return of the gods


before the second coming of Jesus Christ

as the Judge of our souls

[cellardoor]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)
Dude the flood was supposed to have happened about 4000 years ago.

yes we are not old at all

and we are devolvin

entropy


i'm sure some past cataclysmic event

raised the mountains in no time

Are you serious?

[cellardoor]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The truth lies some where in the middle I suspect.
Yes the flood happened--- probably more than once-- its cyclic.
Science is proving we have a conscious universe and our thoughts affect/interact with this.
I believe there is a hell-- the realms of the lower astral.
Dr Hawkins, whom I tend to trust, states that those that flirt with the devil ugie boards etc have no idea what they are letting themselves into.
Its just a bad idea to even entertain.
Hawkins having been brought up the Episcopalian faith and was a strong believer lost faith when the collective horrors of the world were shown to him.
He could not believe in a god who could cause or let this happen.
He became an atheist.
Years later he was dying of an incurable disease saw the depth of hell and in terror called out. "If there is a God I ask Him for help"
He then lost consciousness but when he came to he knew that he had been touched by the thought of an archangel and was in the state called enlightenment.
He says that he was right that a loving God did not cause the violence and evil of this world it was the excess of human ego. Egomania.
Now he shares that information and how to transcend the ego and is devoted to the Truth and a loving God.
The state called enlightenment is a knowing state and he says of the Old Testament that Genesis Proverbs and Psalm are of a high spiritual vibration.
The rest of a low vibration.
The New Testament of a high vibration except for Revelations which is very low.
Hawkins claims that was channeled from the lower astral. That place not having the best interest of the human race at heart to say the least.
The lower astral has virtual control of much of human life.
They promote violence through the media of violent computer games, gangster rap and many other modalities in this era.
We are spoon fed all kinds of negativity right from birth.
Be that as it may be--- the ultimate Truth is all this is Maya.
In reality only God is and we are That.
We are the waves of the Divine ocean.

Chris

Interesting concept Maya. Much closer to truth than genesis ever could be. But still raises questions.

[RedeZra]

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)
Dude the flood was supposed to have happened about 4000 years ago.

yes we are not old at all

and we are devolvin

entropy


i'm sure some past cataclysmic event

raised the mountains in no time

Are you serious?

yes of course

eventually entropy will extinct us

[cellardoor]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)
Dude the flood was supposed to have happened about 4000 years ago.

yes we are not old at all

and we are devolvin

entropy


i'm sure some past cataclysmic event

raised the mountains in no time

Are you serious?

yes of course

eventually entropy will extinct us

We are moving beyond physical matter into mind. We are evolving in terms of memes and just look how quickly it is happening. Before long matter will be our slave and so will the Evil Yahweh. The king of matter. The internet is a prime example of how a dimensionless meme can catapult us into space. The only way is up my friend. Not into the fiery pit of hell. If you cannot see progression in humanity all hope of rationality is lost. Yahweh wishes to keep us locked into materialism but it is unstoppable. Our minds are coming together like clock work. Like a seed we will fly off into space and become like the gods of old. And no saviour is needed just free minds with no limits. It is a dialectical inevitability.

[greybeard]

Leaving aside Divine "inspiration" logic would say that no one knows for sure what Jesus said.
It was a different era, a different culture, a different language.
Yes Truth is Eternal and no doubt some of Jesus teachings remain untouched, but, a society that was quite happy to crucify him would also have no qualms in altering his teaching to suit the leadership of that time.
The best place to hide the evil is where no one would look -- the bible for example.
By their fruits you shall know them.
The fruits of the bible (old testament) are horrendous.
The prophesies of this time are common to all ancient cultures--- only they are not prophesies as such-- they are logic.
It happened many times before therefore its cyclic--- thats rational thinking.
Because they believed in a wrathful god they superimposed that belief on what is a natural cycle.
Enlightened sages of our time say that we need to raise consciousness, that they best way to do this is to be forgiving-- loving.
In other words unconditional love.
Nothing will convince me that Jesus taught anything other than unconditional love.

Chris

[cellardoor]

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)
If you cannot see the truth in the statement surely you can accept that genesis and evolution are completely at odds. I didn't say truth I said counter myth, based on archetypes of the psyche. That is all they are. God did not create perfect humans we evolved. Are you seriously believing that the complete fossil record of science isn't a good indicator that the bible in particular the old testament is complete rubish?

You are asking me what the perfect woman and man is well we will see what the dialectic produces. Gnosticism is philosophy. It is the some total of the greatest minds. You are completely at odds with the bible if you think that Yahweh is unconditional love. Even Red disagrees with you. If Yahweh was unconditional love why did he give the condition that Adam and Eve no eat from the tree? And if he did actually care even in the slightest why not put the tree somewhere else? And if Jesus was the son of the Unconditionally loving God, why did he give conditions? It's philosophical nonsense. It's someone with a low IQ trying to explain why we exist with a story. That is all. It doesn't deserve a second thought.

Ok first things first.
Semantics are the trouble makers since I think we all here on this thread speak about the same thing ,thought from different angles and different emotions.

Genesis and its statements about creation are in fact the truth from very basic point of view since they were obvious statements.
Many scientists analyzed them word for word and they agree that if taken literal could be wrong but if taken non literal could mean a lot.

We could go for hours now is it or isn't true but there were many threads on many forums and many links which stated obvious findings .
Now Evolution is a perfectly normal process in existence ,just not the one Darwin taught.

I do not disprove Gnostic minds for they bring very good points and things ,it's just that you cannot undermine something which you don't agree with (Bible in their terms) and put it into mire.
Philosophy means love for the word .

It's just wise not to stray a lot from truth for you might get lost in philosophy, doubting your own very existence and being locked in reasoning that doesn't have sense.
Everything that is from creator has sense in all its marvelous levels.

I told you that Bible says that God is Love and it is unconditional , you have to read it as a whole. Then connect dots and why's when's and such .
Unconditional love isn't like we might wanna think about it.

And surely isn't what those guys and gals from OT thought of.
Shall I repeat again that God which is portrayed in Vatican and crew through out history ,claimed that was Biblical , has absolutely nothing with Bible?
Why ?

Because of same spirit named Lucifer that twists and bends weak wills.

I will bold this Bible has nothing to do with any organized religion upon the Earth though many claimed that they are sole possessors of its wisdom.

If Vatican listened the Bible they wouldn't be like this today or had blood on their hands.
We wouldn't have any organized church or Christian religious movement.

We would have people who simply grew up and became ones whom they were called for from Christ and God.
We wouldn't need any scripture at all.

That was an aim of Christ and many more such as Buddha.
Look even this statement can be found in Bible...
But how can you know if you don't read it?

See judging something without knowing can be like boomerang to you.

For example I didn't read anything from Vedas and Hindu stuff , I barely understand them but I don't yell they are devils work...
I respect them and if they can add something valuable to humanity then bring it on. but if they add bull then I'll pass.

Also for the tree , they weren't forbidden to eat from it , they were told what will happen if they eat from it.
And why hide it?

When you are in oneness with God , nothing can be hidden from you. Even of you throw it out in far side of the paradise...

And first step out of oneness is duality. So no wonder why tree stood sided with tree of life. Two most important realms of existence-two trees.
But despite our choice to step into duality God allowed us that . See when they communicated with God before the fall, they understood all, now when they tasted the fruit of duality ,their ability to clearly and fully understand God has suddenly diminished. So Loving God became all of a sudden a wrathful one - from their own perspective then. In reality -they changed - not God.

So should they now blame God for their condition?
One moment they are in unity and second moment they fell.

AHHH God you maniac!!! look what you did to us!

Who tasted the duality?
Who reached to fruit because suddenly it is beautiful to look and taste?

Man and woman did.
Not God.

But God lovingly prepared a comeback for mankind to oneness and full conscience and full understanding of God.
If you walk the street and see a scene where a man yells at his kid, would you judge him as child abuser or maybe you should ask that didn't maybe kid wanted to run across the street filled with heavy traffic and got killed.




And finally you speak about philosophical nonsense not worth of second thought. OK then I can take your measure bowl and say that everything else that isn't according to me and is your argument is philosophical nonsense so why should I bother listening to you at all. Where this kind of talk will lead us?

Nowhere my friend.

Exactly. The story of Adam and eve is based on faith not reason and science, it will get you nowhere in a hurry. My argument is not philosophical nonsense, I have given valid questions that the church cannot answer. Specifically original sin. knowledge is evil? Not listening to God is Evil? To be good according to genesis is to be unaware of our very nature. It is mind control, and look how effective it has been. It has created an unimaginable shadow of guilt and doubt. The very thing psychoanalysis defines as unhealthy. That's the biggest problem with the bible that I realise you don't agree with. But what perplexes me is why people go back to it time and time again looking for truth. The damage it has caused along with the other versions of god's word is without parallel. Do we really need Christ that bad? So bad we are willing to endure this backwards drama of literal hell. We cling to a saviour like we are baby monkeys clinging to our mother. Faith in Christ will wash our sins is the essence of it. That is a very dangerous concept. Love thy god with all your heart and love thy neighbour. What about me? God doesn't want us to love ourselves we are infantile compared to his perfection. Psychologically damaging beliefs are the root of evil. Is this not the truth of the bible and all bibles to boot? Is the story of genesis really that valuable to warrant all the suffering and strife? Even if there is a minute nugget of truth in genesis it is a Pandoras box. The claim for absolute truth is the original sin. And it is a sin man does to man for the gain of power. Knowledge is power, power is control.

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Yes Truth is Eternal and no doubt some of Jesus teachings remain untouched, but, a society that was quite happy to crucify him would also have no qualms in altering his teaching to suit the leadership of that time.

the Pharisees after crucifying Jesus also persecuted the Apostles

to put an end to this perceived heresy to Judaism


Saul the persecutin Pharisee converted to Christianity after Jesus appeared to him


the Apostles wrote the New Testament and it is still a sore thorn in the side of Judaism


so no those that crucified Him has not changed anything

Posted by greybeard (here)
The fruits of the bible (old testament) are horrendous.

there was big Nephilim problem in Canaan

huge hybrids Giants part fallen spirit and human

they had to go

Posted by greybeard (here)
Enlightened sages of our time say that we need to raise consciousness, that they best way to do this is to be forgiving-- loving.
In other words unconditional love.
Nothing will convince me that Jesus taught anything other than unconditional love.

yes i'm not contestin that

just addin what Jesus said about our future

as recorded in the New Testament



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Posted by cellardoor (here)
We are moving beyond physical matter into mind.

this is just wishful thinkin ; )

[RedeZra]

Posted by andrei (here)
The Bible is not the only document that describes a great flood. There are ancient sources much much older than the Bible that tell us that. Probably was the hand of the same bloodthirsty, genocidal being you call the God of the Old Testament.

yes i admit Father drowned them

after the Nephilim had genetically corrupted almost everything

and nuked each other to kingdom come