The Bible

[cellardoor]

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
The truth is that there must be a balance between the masculine and feminine energies, and that Yeshua and Magdeline were in relationship and had offspring, and that the Essene's were the descendants of the ancient Gnostics who understood how energy works and how both polarities are needed in order to animate life, as well as to affect manifestation.

I see him as a sort of communist revolutionary, the original che Guevara except he wanted to be at the head of this totalitarian regime, touting himself as King of the Jews. He wanted to be the first Jewish dictator. Here are some of his communist/fascist ideologies.

1. He threw the moneychangers out of the temple and called them theives. They were just ordinary businessmen in a laissez-faire economy.

2. He said, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

3. He encouraged people to give everything they could, and promised that god would support everyone in need. Just like socialism.

[edit]Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."[/edit]

4. "turn the other cheek"

5. "love thy enemy"

6. "blessed are the peacemakers"

7. "blessed are the meek"

8. "woe unto ye who are rich"

9. "forgive our debts, as we forgive our debtors" -- clearly he would favor bailing out poor people with subprime mortgages.

10. "Give us this day our daily bread" -- what a sense of entitlement to demand handouts!!!

11. "Every mountain shall be made low, every valley shall be exalted" --although this is actually from Isaiah's prophecy about the messiah, it looks like a metaphor for proletarian revolution

12. Some early christians (before 200BC) actually established agricultural communes.

13. Jesus is soft on crime: anybody who believes in his scapegoat-like sacrifice will be forgiven.

14. Jesus loves the poor, the prostitutes, the lepers, etc. And he gave them free healthcare! That's not what Ronald Reagan or John McCain would do.

15. Jesus said nothing about or against homosexuality.

16. "and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy father which is in secret" -- clearly Jesus opposes school prayer.

17. Jesus performed the "miracle of the loaves and fish" -- divine government handouts for the poor.

18. "ask and it shall be given to you. Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the door shall be opened" -- giving the poor a sense of entitlement

19. "Blessed are the merciful"

20. "And if any man will sue thee, and take away thy cloak, let him have thy coat also. And whosoever shall compell thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away" -- He clearly favors caving in to terrorist demands, and giving the poor everything they want. Pacifist hippie communist!!!



So why do people who call themselves "christian conservatives" have nearly opposite views to most of the things in this list?

Sounds like you support the system in which the planet is currently with these statements...[/QUOTE]

I hate free market capitalism and i hate communism I am a meritocrat, the only sane political affiliation. My point was to highlight the reality of Jesus's message.

[RedeZra]

Posted by cellardoor (here)

In those days a decree went out from Emperor Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered. Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David. He went to be registered with Mary, to whom he was engaged and who was expecting a child. (Luke 2:1-7—NRSV)

This passage has long been considered problematic by Biblical scholars, since it places the birth of Jesus around the time of the census in 6/7, whereas the Gospel of Matthew indicates a birth during or just after the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4 BC, nine years earlier.[17] In addition, no historical sources mention a worldwide or even a Roman-controlled world census which would cover the population as a whole; those of Augustus covered Roman citizens only;[18] and it was not the practice in Roman censuses to require people to return to their ancestral homes.[19]

when Quirinius was appointed governor of Syria in 6 AD

the former client kingdom of Judea came under direct Roman control

and that is the reason for the tax census in Judea 6 AD


Luke mentions a world wide registration and not a local Judean taxation

also Luke uses the term hegemoneuo about Quirinius and not legate or governor

which indicates Quirinius as the Roman official in charge of this registration in Judea at the time of the Nativity



besides it's all in here

http://www.askelm.com/star/star014.htm



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Posted by jcocks (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

this is not the truth

Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a spiritual relationship and not a sexual one


and the Essenes was a Jewish sect like the Pharisees and the Sadducees

Gnosticism is just corruption of Christianity

That's what all christians say. But do you have proof (NOT the bible, that doesn't count in this instance.)?

Gnosticism came later as a response or counterculture to Christianity

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
Jesus and Mary Magdalene had a spiritual relationship and not a sexual one

We dont know this for sure Red
The fact that Mary anointed Jesus with oil would tend to suggest that they were married as I think tradition said that only a married woman was permitted to do this and only for her husband
The bible is full of paradox.
As for children of that union--- thats an entirely different matter-- again--- who knows?
Chris

there is no reason to assume Jesus had sexual relations with Magdalene

who poured out her expensive perfume on Him


neither of them were married

and there is no tradition to forbid such an event

[RedeZra]

Posted by greybeard (here)
"Go forth and multiply" has all kinds of connotations.
If you take it that the bible is to be taken literally--- there was only Adam and Eve to begin with then their off spring/relatives went out and found others.

Adam and Eve had many children

and they had to marry each other


but because of genetic entropy

resulting in bad mutations in the genome

this is no longer a viable option


long time ago our ancestors were bigger stronger and lived much longer

[Beren]

The Gnostics are master code makers. They pretend to be their enemy to full fill their mission. Which was nothing other than to Kill Yahweh. Why? because he has demonized femininity, in particular feminine sexuality. He reduced their Goddess to an abomination. This goes back to the time of Solomon who was the first Davidic king with any backbone. The soul purpose of Yahweh is to quash the female dominated sex religions. The purpose of gnosticism is to bring it back.

First of all it's completely Gnostic premise that Yahwe is a male God whom turned out to eradicate female influence.
YHWH simply means I AM. I already wrote about name meanings before so Hebrews called God YHWH like I would call its name in Serbian today JA JESAM.

Secondly God made man and woman equal but then men and women had taken their own lives and roles they desired for and world became like it is today.

Sex cults of femininity were highly destructive ones with human sacrifices and rest of the rituals and they were eradicated.
It's the evolution of human condition on Earth to abandon certain things not useful anymore such as sex cults or primitive Judaism of today along as Churchianity.
They all are steps in evolution of consciousness and if we as humanity want to return back to them then we are devolving back in primitiveness.

Thank you for revealing origins of Lilith thing from Petra, it's even more proof against clear reason of high conscience.
So what you would like to have on Earth today?
Sex cults as they finally revealed themselves in today's Illuminati and their cohorts OR you would like high consciousness of Love and unity in all existence without perils of today's world?

You blame Christ for liberating the minds and souls of people .
And you think of him as main bad guy for the Earth.

And one more thing , it was Roman soldiers who attached the transcript as King of Jews... Jews actually wanted that to be taken down...
No need to twist the words just to place it according to your opinion.

I respect your views though I do not agree with them at all.

[cellardoor]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)

In those days a decree went out from Emperor Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered. Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David. He went to be registered with Mary, to whom he was engaged and who was expecting a child. (Luke 2:1-7—NRSV)

This passage has long been considered problematic by Biblical scholars, since it places the birth of Jesus around the time of the census in 6/7, whereas the Gospel of Matthew indicates a birth during or just after the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4 BC, nine years earlier.[17] In addition, no historical sources mention a worldwide or even a Roman-controlled world census which would cover the population as a whole; those of Augustus covered Roman citizens only;[18] and it was not the practice in Roman censuses to require people to return to their ancestral homes.[19]

when Quirinius was appointed governor of Syria in 6 AD

the former client kingdom of Judea came under direct Roman control

and that is the reason for the tax census in Judea 6 AD


Luke mentions a world wide registration and not a local Judean taxation

also Luke uses the term hegemoneuo about Quirinius and not legate or governor

which indicates Quirinius as the Roman official in charge of this registration in Judea at the time of the Nativity



besides it's all in here

http://www.askelm.com/star/star014.htm

But why say, "world wide census" and why would Josef be required to travel to Bethlehem with Mary when it wasn't required? And why so very little evidence? And why was Jesus born 6 AD? Because Luke was wrong.

[cellardoor]

First of all it's completely Gnostic premise that Yahwe is a male God whom turned out to eradicate female influence.
YHWH simply means I AM. I already wrote about name meanings before so Hebrews called God YHWH like I would call its name in Serbian today JA JESAM.

Like I said the Gnostics adopted the beliefs of others to erode the institutions from the inside and to escape persecution. Yahweh means I am that I am. Not I am. There is a big difference even though you refuse to acknowledge it.

Secondly God made man and woman equal but then men and women had taken their own lives and roles they desired for and world became like it is today.

Eve was created from the Rib of Adam therefore not his equal. Lilith was actually Adams First wife created equal but she proved to much for Adam. that says allot I think you'll agree.

Sex cults of femininity were highly destructive ones with human sacrifices and rest of the rituals and they were eradicated.
It's the evolution of human condition on Earth to abandon certain things not useful anymore such as sex cults or primitive Judaism of today along as Churchianity.
They all are steps in evolution of consciousness and if we as humanity want to return back to them then we are devolving back in primitiveness.

I'm not a gnostic, but I agree that there is a massive imbalance of power between masculine and feminine aspects. If we rebalance the power we would not go back to primitive behaviour. We would advance. We would no longer have macho bigots in power. Is that what you want to keep in the name of Jesus beren?

Thank you for revealing origins of Lilith thing from Petra, it's even more proof against clear reason of high conscience.
So what you would like to have on Earth today?
Sex cults as they finally revealed themselves in today's Illuminati and their cohorts OR you would like high consciousness of Love and unity in all existence without perils of today's world?

Your welcome, if you regard the bible as clear reason then more fool you. You are suffering from a serious case of double speak.
What would I like earth to be like? I'd like to see more women in power. I'd like to see a 100% inheritance tax to abolish these ancient blood lines. I would like to see a 1,000,000 p/y income cap tax to stop excessive greed. I would like to see the major religious and banking institutions crumble under the collective will. I would like to see the state acting in the interest of the people. And above all I'd like to see people take action and stop waiting for a saviour. And yes I would like us to have a more healthy attitude towards sex. That doesn't mean I want to join a sex cult. That would be insane.

You blame Christ for liberating the minds and souls of people .
And you think of him as main bad guy for the Earth.

We cannot know for certain what Christ actually said. All we can judge is from the fruits of his teachings. And I'm sorry but if you think that his teachings have in anyway liberated us then you must be on some other timeline or something. Christianity has been the most brutal religion of them all. ARE YOU BLIND!

And one more thing , it was Roman soldiers who attached the transcript as King of Jews... Jews actually wanted that to be taken down...
No need to twist the words just to place it according to your opinion.

I agree. So why does the bible blame the Jews for the crucifixion? the Romans have hidden their agenda, they portray pontius as a Jesus sympathiser, but the opposite is true. In fact there is no record Pontius even existed, yet more reason not to believe a word of the bible. It is a purely Roman invention.

I respect your views though I do not agree with them at all.[/QUOTE]

[Beren]

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Like I said the Gnostics adopted the beliefs of others to erode the institutions from the inside and to escape persecution. Yahweh means I am that I am. Not I am. There is a big difference even though you refuse to acknowledge it.



Eve was created from the Rib of Adam therefore not his equal. Lilith was actually Adams First wife created equal but she proved to much for Adam. that says allot I think you'll agree.



I'm not a gnostic, but I agree that there is a massive imbalance of power between masculine and feminine aspects. If we rebalance the power we would not go back to primitive behaviour. We would advance. We would no longer have macho bigots in power. Is that what you want to keep in the name of Jesus beren?



Your welcome, if you regard the bible as clear reason then more fool you. You are suffering from a serious case of double speak.
What would I like earth to be like? I'd like to see more women in power. I'd like to see a 100% inheritance tax to abolish these ancient blood lines. I would like to see a 1,000,000 p/y income cap tax to stop excessive greed. I would like to see the major religious and banking institutions crumble under the collective will. I would like to see the state acting in the interest of the people. And above all I'd like to see people take action and stop waiting for a saviour. And yes I would like us to have a more healthy attitude towards sex. That doesn't mean I want to join a sex cult. That would be insane.


We cannot know for certain what Christ actually said. All we can judge is from the fruits of his teachings. And I'm sorry but if you think that his teachings have in anyway liberated us then you must be on some other timeline or something. Christianity has been the most brutal religion of them all. ARE YOU BLIND!



I agree. So why does the bible blame the Jews for the crucifixion? the Romans have hidden their agenda, they portray pontius as a Jesus sympathiser, but the opposite is true. In fact there is no record Pontius even existed, yet more reason not to believe a word of the bible. It is a purely Roman invention.

Ok ,playing word games relating to the name of YHWH is childish from you.
It is the same meaning and we can play until tomorrow but it will still mean what it means.

Regarding Lilith that's sheer speculation about her whole existence.
Man and woman were equal in creation since Creator is spirit and both male and female energy are in it.

I want to have high consciousness on Earth and Jesus's teaching is what I align for but I can't see why you continue twisting his words and then bailing out yourself as "we didn't know what he actually said" and then jump again and bash his words which "you don't know are they actually said"...

This is intellectual ping pong where I would gladly beat you but I don't want to have intellectual ping pong with you. If we can talk clearly then good.

Also regarding me suffering from serious case double speak... is this a good manner of conversation of yours where you when not agreeing with my view ,continue to dart small insults and such?
And no I am not blind. Thank you.
You are again confusing Christian religion with my words here . Religion has polluted Christ words.
Fruits of Christ teachings are ones that Graybeard and few others stated and Red too about love for others and God .
What's wrong with that?

Regarding your world view , I see it as continuation of the same world only with harsh punishments. Still that's old world in new garments.
I am all for complete rebirth of whole humanity and high conscience.
Everything that is old must pass.
Everything from this world we live in.



Bible doesn't blame anyone ,just states what happened-that's huge difference.But people choose to take sides when reading Bible.
Pontious existed and there are proofs for that but you already decided that he didn't so what's the point of further debate?
If Romans were behind Bible ,tell that to all the Christians they put to death in arenas and their empire for several centuries...

By complicating things you are moving away from clear understanding.
But to clearly understand you need to put away your ignorance and pride (not meaning you per se) -a first step towards mastery.


One thing I agree with you is that religions heavily polluted Christ teaching and because of their wicked deeds ,many are disappointed in Creator which has nothing to do with free will choices of others.

[Prodigal Son]

[QUOTE=Beren;454818]

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Like I said the Gnostics adopted the beliefs of others to erode the institutions from the inside and to escape persecution. Yahweh means I am that I am. Not I am. There is a big difference even though you refuse to acknowledge it.

I'm not a gnostic, but I agree that there is a massive imbalance of power between masculine and feminine aspects. If we rebalance the power we would not go back to primitive behaviour.

Spot On!

I also wanted to point out that I have come across several sources, people who were either Kabbalists or Hebrew Scholars, that Genesis 4:1 was mistranslated to DECEIVE.

MOST translations say something like this:

"Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, saying, 'I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.'” - ESV

Now check out how it was ORIGINALLY intended, correctly translated in (this is SHOCKING to me!) the Darby Translation:

"And Man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have acquired a man with Jehovah."

Big difference eh?

Here's what the Church conceals: Jehovah, Yahweh, etc, is an ENERGY. It can also be called the Christ energy. It comes into our solar system through the SUN. It hits you in the Solar Plexus, and makes a home in a little tiny microscopic part of the heart called the ATOM NOUS. This is the TETRAGRAMMATON, the most powerful word in Kabbalah and Freemasonry. This is the name of God that is INSIDE YOU. And it is indeed representative of BOTH SEXES. Equally. The four letters are Iod, He, Vau, and He. The Iod represents the lingham and is male. The He-Vau-He represents the yoni and is female and it is where we get the name E-V-E. This is reflected in the two side columns on the Kabbalah Tree of Life. Imbalance in either direction means big trouble. The middle path is the way to go. This is the meaning of "broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going through it. But narrow and cramped is the road leading to everlasting life, and few are the one finding it.

This is why Jesus is hung upon a tree, or cross, which is also representative of the male-female energy. These are also the pillars of Solomon's Temple, Jachin and Boaz. Right down the middle is the path to ascension. The western world is heavily biased to the male (narcissist) side, and the Catholic Church is mostly responsible for this!

This is why Jesus, in the Gospel of Thomas, says, "when you make your eye single, you will enter the Kingdom of Heaven".

[cellardoor]

Fruits of Christ teachings are ones that Graybeard and few others stated and Red too about love for others and God .
What's wrong with that?

Conditional love would be the demiurges way to keep souls bound to materialism. And it depends which god you are loving. You seem to think Yahweh is God full stop. But he is just one of the many gods that were worshipped at the time of the exile. It was a mixture of Atoites and Hebrew slaves. The Hebrews used Yahweh as there god because he was strong and war like. Exactly what they needed at the time. The Yahweh that exists today is a bastardisation of aton and a war god hence his apparent contradictory nature, as always God's are invented to suit the occasion. It's a wonder this particular one has lasted so long. It is a testament to faith over reason. Ignorance over logic. Apathy over action, and childish delusions about reality. It is the way of the demiurge. It is a pity unconditional love was not mentioned in the bible. Then perhaps we could find some common ground. I tend to agree with the gnostics in that this world is evil. Take bird song for example, so beautiful and a joy to listen to. The reality of it is that they are either looking for a shag or marking their territory. The devil is cunning and beautifully alluring. the devil would be Yahweh the creator. These are not word games they are the antithesis needed here at Avalon. It's hard to believe that a site inspired by Arthur and the round table, set up by non other than the Cathars, has this stain of a thread upon it. I will uphold the Cathars philosophies in the name of what is right. The Cathars hated Christ. They thought him an Archon of the Demiruge. And so it is.

[RedeZra]

Posted by cellardoor (here)
The Cathars hated Christ. They thought him an Archon of the Demiruge. And so it is.

there are two teams


the tares and the wheat

the sheep and the goats

good and evil



"Do [you] suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division.

"For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three.

"Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law." - Luke 12:51-53



He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. - 1 John 3:8

[gripreaper]

Sorry to say, but it is the churches and the advent of christianity who wanted to remove the feminine from the truth in order to facilitate their patriarchal control structure, to enslave mankind. Why is it so hard to understand that Yeshua and Magdeline had sex together? The act of sex has been perverted, when in fact it is the union of the feminine and masculine energies into unity, a very sacred union I might add. It was the elite Roman oligarchs who removed the feminine, and benefited from this fallacy and proceeded to torture, murder and eradicate all traces of the true nature of consciousness, which includes BOTH the dark and light, the Yin and Yang, the feminine and masculine, the electric and magnetic, etc.

Monotheism, or the belief in one god, as a patriarchal male did not even come into existence until the 5th dynasty of Egypt. Until that time,the temples along the Nile all taught BOTH aspects of the energetic spectrum, and how to achieve enlightenment FROM WITHIN! The whole idea of an archetypal patriarch and the need for an outside savior was fairly new during Roman times, and was adopted by the church against all of the ancient teaching which came from Atlantis. To argue over semantics as to whether or not these teaching are Gnostic or not, is not relevant to the TRUTH!

The loss of the library at Alexandria is the greatest tragedy of all time. Yet, copies of the ancient scrolls were hidden away, and to this day exist on this planet. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hamadhi scrolls came forth at just the right time to expose the lie as the awakening is coming forth at the end of the Picean age, which Yeshua taught us about. He said "I will be with you till the end of the age". Gregg Braden, and others, have seen the scrolls in the monasteries high up in the Himalayas, and the ancient truths from Atlantis and the TRUTH of the feminine CANNOT EVER BE ERADICATED.

Yeshua and Magdeline were Essenes, and the Essenes held the ancient knowledge, and to say they were a false jewish sect like the Pharisees is also a lie. Why do so many want to believe the lies of the bible and ignore the ancient truths which can free you from bondage and bring you into the highest joy known to man? I just don't understand that at all.

[cellardoor]

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[greybeard]

Seems religion (well some) is mostly about making you feel guilt.
I agree that the act of love is one of the greatest gifts from God--- yet so much guilt is put on it.
To be clear in my definition of love making I mean true intimacy.

To my mind Jesus showed what was possible for a human to achieve.
In order to do this he had to start from the same place as all of us with the same potential.
Now whether he died a virgin or not to me is immaterial.
There is nothing special or spiritual in dying a virgin --- though it is true that the life force chi is best used for spiritual purpose if thats your path. (non ejaculation)
No one came into this world through having a celibate father--- though I accept that Jesus was born of a virgin-- that Divine energy entered her and she became pregnant.
So In all respects it seems to me that Jesus in order to show the way had to be fully human.
He had to go through all the trials that normal humans go though--- one of the biggest challenges and rewards is an intimate relationship.
He had humility, he did not ask to be put on a pedestal--- he said we could do all that he did and more.
His (Jesus) potential was fully realized ours can be too. (One with the Father) (I believe that is the same as enlightenment)
C

[cellardoor]

Could Christ've been gay?

From the Secret Gospel of Mark

"And straight away, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth came to him, wearing a linen cloth over [his] naked [body]. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

Mark 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

Mark 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

John 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?

John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

[Beren]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Sorry to say, but it is the churches and the advent of christianity who wanted to remove the feminine from the truth in order to facilitate their patriarchal control structure, to enslave mankind. Why is it so hard to understand that Yeshua and Magdeline had sex together? The act of sex has been perverted, when in fact it is the union of the feminine and masculine energies into unity, a very sacred union I might add. It was the elite Roman oligarchs who removed the feminine, and benefited from this fallacy and proceeded to torture, murder and eradicate all traces of the true nature of consciousness, which includes BOTH the dark and light, the Yin and Yang, the feminine and masculine, the electric and magnetic, etc. the loss of the library at Alexandria is the greatest tragedy of all time.

Monotheism, or the belief in one god, as a patriarchal male did not even come into existence until the 5th dynasty of Egypt. Until that time,the temples along the Nile all taught BOTH aspects of the energetic spectrum, and how to achieve enlightenment FROM WITHIN! The whole idea of an archetypal patriarch and the need for an outside savior was fairly new during Roman times, and was adopted by the church against all of the ancient teaching which came from Atlantis. To argue over semantics as to whether or not these teaching are Gnostic or not, is not relevant to the TRUTH!

Yeshua and Magdeline were Essenes, and the Essenes held the ancient knowledge, and to say they were a false jewish sect like the Pharisees is also a lie. Why do so many want to believe the lies of the bible and ignore the ancient truths which can free you from bondage and bring you into the highest joy known to man? I just don't understand that at all.

First of all good to see you here!


Yeshua or Jesus was a human manifestation of Creator.
Being whom is fully conscious does not have sex like humans do. Does not need physical sexual relation to feel the unison with another being.
Magdalene was saved by him and thus was deeply affected by his help on soul level. Not physical.

As you ask ,I might aswell ask you why can`t you see this as clear as crystal?

I agree with you about sexuality and sex as divine gift but not in this case with Jesus`s life on Earth.
Simply against logic. Simply you have to stretch this idea that it becomes so thin that you can see it through...Doesn`t hold weight unless Gnostic thought enjoys fairy tales.

Writers of Bible weren`t understanding what they wrote even quite later on.
Hence they imposed on others their own reasoning filled with primitiveness and hence we got religions of today built upon the very thing that told them not to do so...

As everything on Earth today, sex became twisted and perverted so it`s no miracle why religion use it as restraining tool...
And it would be nice for a change that we as humanity start acknowledging our own works and deeds and not blaming God or any other written text about our own mishaps...

It`s not about did God wanted something for us or did Satan wanted something for us- it is about how we react to causes and responsibility of our thoughts,words and deeds.
So far I see accusations from the side of ones who hate Christ and Bible . I don`t see responsibility for their past and present.
Same is for religious folk who are fast to point a finger and judge forgetting that Christ told them not to judge for they aren`t on high level of conscience -where they would see that there isn`t anyone or anything to be judged for all beings and things are reaping effects of their own choices - be it heaven or hell-so jduging is not necessary.
Down here we perceive is as judgement day or judging God...When in fact it`s just effect that came to be-good or bad.

If you are in sex cult and into child sacrifices then don`t expect that you will have abundant life for long for you wrought your own misery.
Don`t blame God for your own mishaps...

Israelites had wrought their own end by Romans. An utter end that today`s Jews are hardly Israelites at by blood...They wrought it for several centuries until all came to fruition at 70 AD. You have a monument in Rome speaking about that.
Vespasian Arch close to Colosseum.



Nothing exist except the thing or energy that we want it to BE.
That`s the meaning of I AM and that`s the thing that God and Christ were and are trying to taught us to remember who we are.

[gripreaper]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Seems religion (well some) is mostly about making you feel guilt.
I agree that the act of love is one of the greatest gifts from God--- yet so much guilt is put on it.

And this guilt was perpetuated by the church at the time as the divine feminine was being eradicated from the ancient teachings. The truth was replaced with fear, guilt, punishment, control, at the hands of a patriarchal demigod.

Posted by greybeard (here)
To be clear in my definition of love making I mean true intimacy.

Absolutely. the level of intimacy which can be achieved includes the ability to align all of the chakras in both the male and female, with such intense energy, that the two of them can ascend from their bodies and experience the astral planes together, and return! Western movies portray sex as the discharge of the life force energy as quickly as possible and that immediate discharge is the only relevant event associated with sex. What a lie.

Posted by greybeard (here)
To my mind Jesus showed what was possible for a human to achieve.
In order to do this he had to start from the same place as all of us with the same potential.
Now whether he died a virgin or not to me is immaterial.

Yeshua and Magdeline shared such intimacy the night of the last supper when Sarah was conceived, and it was this sacred energetic union which prepared Yeshua for the events which were to follow, and gave him the strength and the ability for his KA etheric body to remain fully charged during the crucifixion, to where he was able to slow his vital signs down to stop in his BA physical body. He exemplified immortality and SHOWED US that death is an illusion and that we too can achieve total enlightenment through the tantric union, and that NO MATTER WHAT the world throws at you and your body, we ARE NOT THE BODY but are souls enshrined in the temple of the body, and we do not die. Death is an illusion.

Posted by greybeard (here)
No one came into this world through having a celibate father--- though I accept that Jesus was born of a virgin-- that Divine energy entered her and she became pregnant.

All twelve of the women who were in the inner circle, the first ring of support for Yeshua and Magdeline, were also light conceived, and they all had husbands. This first cirlce of twelve males and twelve females held the sacred space for Yeshua and Magdeline, and helped perform the transmutation which occurred in the tomb after Yeshua was taken down from the cross.

Posted by greybeard (here)
So In all respects it seems to me that Jesus in order to show the way had to be fully human.
He had to go through all the trials that normal humans go though--- one of the biggest challenges and rewards is an intimate relationship.
He had humility, he did not ask to be put on a pedestal--- he said we could do all that he did and more.
His (Jesus) potential was fully realized ours can be too. (One with the Father) (I believe that is the same as enlightenment)
C

Absolutely. So, all that Yeshua taught us, how to be in sacred union, how to transmute energies, how to move mountains, raise the dead, feed the poor, walk on water, and ascend consciousness without dying, THAT IS THE TRUE GNOSIS, the wisdom and knowledge of the cross.

[Beren]

Posted by cellardoor (here)
Could Christ've been gay?

From the Secret Gospel of Mark

"And straight away, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth came to him, wearing a linen cloth over [his] naked [body]. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

Mark 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

Mark 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

John 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?

John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

Oh great now Jesus was or is a gay?



If you continue this way I will seriously think that you are just a mocker ...

This is elementary ignorance regarding facts about this particular theme...

[cellardoor]

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)
Could Christ've been gay?

From the Secret Gospel of Mark

"And straight away, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth came to him, wearing a linen cloth over [his] naked [body]. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."

Luke 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

Mark 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him:

Mark 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

John 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?

John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

Oh great now Jesus was or is a gay?



If you continue this way I will seriously think that you are just a mocker ...

This is elementary ignorance regarding facts about this particular theme...

Enlighten me please lay out the facts. Would this offend you? I think it would do Christianity some good.

[Beren]

Enlighten me please lay out the facts. Would this offend you? I think it would do Christianity some good.

I already wrote about it in reply to gripreaper.
It`s not offending me, it`s just a silly notion from you...

Now Vatican may be your prime target and its satellites in Christian denominations...they are known as hidden homosexuals and pedophiles (NOT ALL priests...but it seems like higher the ladder they go, greater the chances they will be cloaked gays or pedophiles)