The Bible

[cellardoor]

Posted by Beren (here)

Enlighten me please lay out the facts. Would this offend you? I think it would do Christianity some good.

I already wrote about it in reply to gripreaper.
It`s not offending me, it`s just a silly notion from you...

Now Vatican may be your prime target and its satellites in Christian denominations...they are known as hidden homosexuals and pedophiles (NOT ALL priests...but it seems like higher the ladder they go, greater the chances they will be cloaked gays or pedophiles)

I'm just highlighting the many inconsistencies and bizarre interpretations that can be made from the so called word of god. The words are there plane and simple. I did not make them up. Funny you should put homosexuals and paedophiles under the same sinister banner. I call for all gay priests to come out and announce their divine right to salvation. Let them lead Catholicism out of darkness. Gay rights and all that. They are not sinners.

[seigiarchon]

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Sorry to say, but it is the churches and the advent of christianity who wanted to remove the feminine from the truth in order to facilitate their patriarchal control structure, to enslave mankind. Why is it so hard to understand that Yeshua and Magdeline had sex together? The act of sex has been perverted, when in fact it is the union of the feminine and masculine energies into unity, a very sacred union I might add. It was the elite Roman oligarchs who removed the feminine, and benefited from this fallacy and proceeded to torture, murder and eradicate all traces of the true nature of consciousness, which includes BOTH the dark and light, the Yin and Yang, the feminine and masculine, the electric and magnetic, etc. the loss of the library at Alexandria is the greatest tragedy of all time.

Monotheism, or the belief in one god, as a patriarchal male did not even come into existence until the 5th dynasty of Egypt. Until that time,the temples along the Nile all taught BOTH aspects of the energetic spectrum, and how to achieve enlightenment FROM WITHIN! The whole idea of an archetypal patriarch and the need for an outside savior was fairly new during Roman times, and was adopted by the church against all of the ancient teaching which came from Atlantis. To argue over semantics as to whether or not these teaching are Gnostic or not, is not relevant to the TRUTH!

Yeshua and Magdeline were Essenes, and the Essenes held the ancient knowledge, and to say they were a false jewish sect like the Pharisees is also a lie. Why do so many want to believe the lies of the bible and ignore the ancient truths which can free you from bondage and bring you into the highest joy known to man? I just don't understand that at all.

First of all good to see you here!


Yeshua or Jesus was a human manifestation of Creator.
Being whom is fully conscious does not have sex like humans do. Does not need physical sexual relation to feel the unison with another being.
Magdalene was saved by him and thus was deeply affected by his help on soul level. Not physical.

As you ask ,I might aswell ask you why can`t you see this as clear as crystal?

I agree with you about sexuality and sex as divine gift but not in this case with Jesus`s life on Earth.
Simply against logic. Simply you have to stretch this idea that it becomes so thin that you can see it through...Doesn`t hold weight unless Gnostic thought enjoys fairy tales.

Writers of Bible weren`t understanding what they wrote even quite later on.
Hence they imposed on others their own reasoning filled with primitiveness and hence we got religions of today built upon the very thing that told them not to do so...

As everything on Earth today, sex became twisted and perverted so it`s no miracle why religion use it as restraining tool...
And it would be nice for a change that we as humanity start acknowledging our own works and deeds and not blaming God or any other written text about our own mishaps...

It`s not about did God wanted something for us or did Satan wanted something for us- it is about how we react to causes and responsibility of our thoughts,words and deeds.
So far I see accusations from the side of ones who hate Christ and Bible . I don`t see responsibility for their past and present.
Same is for religious folk who are fast to point a finger and judge forgetting that Christ told them not to judge for they aren`t on high level of conscience -where they would see that there isn`t anyone or anything to be judged for all beings and things are reaping effects of their own choices - be it heaven or hell-so jduging is not necessary.
Down here we perceive is as judgement day or judging God...When in fact it`s just effect that came to be-good or bad.

If you are in sex cult and into child sacrifices then don`t expect that you will have abundant life for long for you wrought your own misery.
Don`t blame God for your own mishaps...

Israelites had wrought their own end by Romans. An utter end that today`s Jews are hardly Israelites at by blood...They wrought it for several centuries until all came to fruition at 70 AD. You have a monument in Rome speaking about that.
Vespasian Arch close to Colosseum.



Nothing exist except the thing or energy that we want it to BE.
That`s the meaning of I AM and that`s the thing that God and Christ were and are trying to taught us to remember who we are.

Most people see a fresh red sweet apple and they consume it with whole-hearted mindless lustful greed.

Only the Enlightened Ones see a apple for its true reality because their minds are strong enough to consume the apple without losing their minds to lust or greed and with complete aware of the empty illusion which the apple is.

But then the question is.. once you see the apple for the empty illusion which it is.. why would you wanna consume it in the first place?

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Posted by cellardoor (here)

Posted by Beren (here)

Enlighten me please lay out the facts. Would this offend you? I think it would do Christianity some good.

I already wrote about it in reply to gripreaper.
It`s not offending me, it`s just a silly notion from you...

Now Vatican may be your prime target and its satellites in Christian denominations...they are known as hidden homosexuals and pedophiles (NOT ALL priests...but it seems like higher the ladder they go, greater the chances they will be cloaked gays or pedophiles)

I'm just highlighting the many inconsistencies and bizarre interpretations that can be made from the so called word of god. The words are there plane and simple. I did not make them up. Funny you should put homosexuals and paedophiles under the same sinister banner. I call for all gay priests to come out and announce their divine right to salvation. Let them lead Catholicism out of darkness. Gay rights and all that. They are not sinners.

All men and women, gay, lesbian and straight are sinners.

The only exceptions are the monks and nuns who have the good sense to reject the sex-obsessed maya which we are trapped in.

[seigiarchon]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Sorry to say, but it is the churches and the advent of christianity who wanted to remove the feminine from the truth in order to facilitate their patriarchal control structure, to enslave mankind. Why is it so hard to understand that Yeshua and Magdeline had sex together? The act of sex has been perverted, when in fact it is the union of the feminine and masculine energies into unity, a very sacred union I might add. It was the elite Roman oligarchs who removed the feminine, and benefited from this fallacy and proceeded to torture, murder and eradicate all traces of the true nature of consciousness, which includes BOTH the dark and light, the Yin and Yang, the feminine and masculine, the electric and magnetic, etc.

Monotheism, or the belief in one god, as a patriarchal male did not even come into existence until the 5th dynasty of Egypt. Until that time,the temples along the Nile all taught BOTH aspects of the energetic spectrum, and how to achieve enlightenment FROM WITHIN! The whole idea of an archetypal patriarch and the need for an outside savior was fairly new during Roman times, and was adopted by the church against all of the ancient teaching which came from Atlantis. To argue over semantics as to whether or not these teaching are Gnostic or not, is not relevant to the TRUTH!

The loss of the library at Alexandria is the greatest tragedy of all time. Yet, copies of the ancient scrolls were hidden away, and to this day exist on this planet. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hamadhi scrolls came forth at just the right time to expose the lie as the awakening is coming forth at the end of the Picean age, which Yeshua taught us about. He said "I will be with you till the end of the age". Gregg Braden, and others, have seen the scrolls in the monasteries high up in the Himalayas, and the ancient truths from Atlantis and the TRUTH of the feminine CANNOT EVER BE ERADICATED.

Yeshua and Magdeline were Essenes, and the Essenes held the ancient knowledge, and to say they were a false jewish sect like the Pharisees is also a lie. Why do so many want to believe the lies of the bible and ignore the ancient truths which can free you from bondage and bring you into the highest joy known to man? I just don't understand that at all.

All higher dimensional beings are androgynous. They are neither Man or Woman.

The Tao, or the Creator is non-dual. He is neither Man nor Woman. There are no such concepts as Masculine or Feminine in the Higher Dimensions.

The Higher Energies are separated in the lower dimensions because Man has to learn how to reconcile all the energies WITHIN HIMSELF and not by seeking external reliefs.

To see something as Man or Woman or anything else is just putting additional concepts or constructs in your mind which will delay you from enlightenment.

[Beren]

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Posted by Beren (here)

Enlighten me please lay out the facts. Would this offend you? I think it would do Christianity some good.

I already wrote about it in reply to gripreaper.
It`s not offending me, it`s just a silly notion from you...

Now Vatican may be your prime target and its satellites in Christian denominations...they are known as hidden homosexuals and pedophiles (NOT ALL priests...but it seems like higher the ladder they go, greater the chances they will be cloaked gays or pedophiles)

I'm just highlighting the many inconsistencies and bizarre interpretations that can be made from the so called word of god. The words are there plane and simple. I did not make them up. Funny you should put homosexuals and paedophiles under the same sinister banner. I call for all gay priests to come out and announce their divine right to salvation. Let them lead Catholicism out of darkness. Gay rights and all that. They are not sinners.

Again you want to have a ping pong word match here...
You are bailing out now by these words that you just read what is written...and just few posts ago you accused RedeZra of the same...
Hmmm



Regarding gays and rest... every life style has its consequences .I am no judge.
Choices were made before soul entered body so no excuses for this life no matter if its good or bad- a soul chose it before birth as an experience for their own learning or experiencing certain emotions or energy fields.

[seigiarchon]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
"Go forth and multiply" has all kinds of connotations.
If you take it that the bible is to be taken literally--- there was only Adam and Eve to begin with then their off spring/relatives went out and found others.

Adam and Eve had many children

and they had to marry each other


but because of genetic entropy

resulting in bad mutations in the genome

this is no longer a viable option


long time ago our ancestors were bigger stronger and lived much longer

first of all, the bible was written by generations of men.. who knows what the original bible said..

secondly.. how do you know adam and eve are mortal man and woman?

what if they are gods? what if adam and eve do not need sex in order to produce children?

to blindly accept every word of the bible or any other text in the world is folly

[Beren]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Sorry to say, but it is the churches and the advent of christianity who wanted to remove the feminine from the truth in order to facilitate their patriarchal control structure, to enslave mankind. Why is it so hard to understand that Yeshua and Magdeline had sex together? The act of sex has been perverted, when in fact it is the union of the feminine and masculine energies into unity, a very sacred union I might add. It was the elite Roman oligarchs who removed the feminine, and benefited from this fallacy and proceeded to torture, murder and eradicate all traces of the true nature of consciousness, which includes BOTH the dark and light, the Yin and Yang, the feminine and masculine, the electric and magnetic, etc.

Monotheism, or the belief in one god, as a patriarchal male did not even come into existence until the 5th dynasty of Egypt. Until that time,the temples along the Nile all taught BOTH aspects of the energetic spectrum, and how to achieve enlightenment FROM WITHIN! The whole idea of an archetypal patriarch and the need for an outside savior was fairly new during Roman times, and was adopted by the church against all of the ancient teaching which came from Atlantis. To argue over semantics as to whether or not these teaching are Gnostic or not, is not relevant to the TRUTH!

The loss of the library at Alexandria is the greatest tragedy of all time. Yet, copies of the ancient scrolls were hidden away, and to this day exist on this planet. The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hamadhi scrolls came forth at just the right time to expose the lie as the awakening is coming forth at the end of the Picean age, which Yeshua taught us about. He said "I will be with you till the end of the age". Gregg Braden, and others, have seen the scrolls in the monasteries high up in the Himalayas, and the ancient truths from Atlantis and the TRUTH of the feminine CANNOT EVER BE ERADICATED.

Yeshua and Magdeline were Essenes, and the Essenes held the ancient knowledge, and to say they were a false jewish sect like the Pharisees is also a lie. Why do so many want to believe the lies of the bible and ignore the ancient truths which can free you from bondage and bring you into the highest joy known to man? I just don't understand that at all.

All higher dimensional beings are androgynous. They are neither Man or Woman.

The Tao, or the Creator is non-dual. He is neither Man nor Woman. There are no such concepts as Masculine or Feminine in the Higher Dimensions.

The Higher Energies are separated in the lower dimensions because Man has to learn how to reconcile all the energies WITHIN HIMSELF and not by seeking external reliefs.

To see something as Man or Woman or anything else is just putting additional concepts or constructs in your mind which will delay you from enlightenment.

Thank you for this excellent comment !
I am trying to paint this image but it seems like some are confusing my words with their own emotions towards religious thought and groups through time.

That`s the true nature of man- God`s child and God itself. A spirit and Creator.

[another bob]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
Only the Enlightened Ones see a apple for its true reality....

Which reminds me . . .

Most people don't know that a lost chapter of Genesis was recently discovered. Here it is, for the first time on Avalon, translated from its original pictographs:


Adam was walking in the garden and cried out to God, "You used to walk with me every day. Now I do not see you anymore. It is Saturday Night, but I am lonely here, and it is difficult for me to remember how much you love me."

And God said, "I will create a companion for you that will be with you forever and who will be a reflection of my love for you, so that you will love me even when you cannot see me. Regardless of how selfish or childish or unlovable you may be. This new companion will accept youas you are and will love you as I do, in spite of yourself." And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam.

And it was a good animal.

And God was pleased.

And the new animal was pleased to be with Adam and he wagged his tail.

And Adam said, "Lord, I have already named all the animals in the kingdom and I cannot think of a name for this new animal."

And God said, "Because I have created this new animal to be a reflection of my love for you, his name will be a reflection of my own name, and you will call him DOG."

And Dog lived with Adam and was a companion to him and loved him.

And Adam was comforted.

And God was pleased.

And Dog was content and wagged his tail.

After a while, it came to pass that Adam's guardian angel came to the Lord and said, "Lord, Adam has become filled with pride. He struts and preens like a peacock and he believes he is worthy of adoration. Dog has indeed taught him that he is loved, but perhaps too well."

And the Lord said, "I will create for him a companion who will be with him forever and who will see him as he is. The companion will remind him of his limitations, so he will know that he is not always worthy of adoration."

And God created CAT to be a companion to Adam.

And Cat would not obey Adam.

And when Adam gazed into Cat's eyes, he was reminded that he was not the supreme being.

And Adam learned humility.

And God was pleased.

And Adam was greatly improved.

And Dog was happy.

And Cat didn't give a sh*t one way or the other.

[Beren]

Posted by another bob (here)

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
Only the Enlightened Ones see a apple for its true reality....

Which reminds me . . .

Most people don't know that a lost chapter of Genesis was recently discovered. Here it is, for the first time on Avalon, translated from its original pictographs:


Adam was walking in the garden and cried out to God, "You used to walk with me every day. Now I do not see you anymore. It is Saturday Night, but I am lonely here, and it is difficult for me to remember how much you love me."

And God said, "I will create a companion for you that will be with you forever and who will be a reflection of my love for you, so that you will love me even when you cannot see me. Regardless of how selfish or childish or unlovable you may be. This new companion will accept youas you are and will love you as I do, in spite of yourself." And God created a new animal to be a companion for Adam.

And it was a good animal.

And God was pleased.

And the new animal was pleased to be with Adam and he wagged his tail.

And Adam said, "Lord, I have already named all the animals in the kingdom and I cannot think of a name for this new animal."

And God said, "Because I have created this new animal to be a reflection of my love for you, his name will be a reflection of my own name, and you will call him DOG."

And Dog lived with Adam and was a companion to him and loved him.

And Adam was comforted.

And God was pleased.

And Dog was content and wagged his tail.

After a while, it came to pass that Adam's guardian angel came to the Lord and said, "Lord, Adam has become filled with pride. He struts and preens like a peacock and he believes he is worthy of adoration. Dog has indeed taught him that he is loved, but perhaps too well."

And the Lord said, "I will create for him a companion who will be with him forever and who will see him as he is. The companion will remind him of his limitations, so he will know that he is not always worthy of adoration."

And God created CAT to be a companion to Adam.

And Cat would not obey Adam.

And when Adam gazed into Cat's eyes, he was reminded that he was not the supreme being.

And Adam learned humility.

And God was pleased.

And Adam was greatly improved.

And Dog was happy.

And Cat didn't give a sh*t one way or the other.

Oh ye cat lovers ...

[gripreaper]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

All higher dimensional beings are androgynous. They are neither Man or Woman.

The Tao, or the Creator is non-dual. He is neither Man nor Woman. There are no such concepts as Masculine or Feminine in the Higher Dimensions.

The Higher Energies are separated in the lower dimensions because Man has to learn how to reconcile all the energies WITHIN HIMSELF and not by seeking external reliefs.

To see something as Man or Woman or anything else is just putting additional concepts or constructs in your mind which will delay you from enlightenment.

I agree. In the higher dimensions of the I AM, as we agree to call it, there is no duality. But we were talking about Yeshua and Magdeline IN HUMAN BODIES in THIS dimension, so lets keep that in mind. What they taught us was how to reach enlightenment through sacred union, through unifying both polarities of the energetic spectrum, in order to ascend duality.

You see, it is the oscillation between these two polarities in duality which animates life, the very energy of spirit which is in all things. You could not even take one step without this breath of life in you. The notion that those who have not been saved do not carry the holy spirit is fallacious, and also a lie. Energy is energy, life force is life force, or sexual energy is life force energy amplified. There is no distinction energetically. How it is generated occurs in the second chakra, and how it is held, amplified, directed and emanated determines the manifestation. Yeshua and Magdalene showed us how through righteousness (the right use of energy) how to raise the dead, feed the poor, heal the sick, walk on water, move mountains, and ASCEND!

Enlightenment is not about leaving the body. It is about holding the fullness of spirit in a body. Elijah exemplified ascension when he arose into his full KA body, and his physical body dissipated. This was to show us that it takes time to carve the body vessel through many incarnations to prepare it for ascension, without death. This is ascension, not dying. He returned as John the Baptist, to which Yeshua said "I AM not even worthy to tie his sandals" as he recognized John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah

Conversely, as you pointed out, the elite in the basement of the Vatican, have used the occult practices to extract life force, or sexual energy from children in the most inhumane ways. That is not the same as sacred sexual union between a man and a woman ,such as Yeshua and Magdalene exemplified.

[cellardoor]

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Posted by Beren (here)

Enlighten me please lay out the facts. Would this offend you? I think it would do Christianity some good.

I already wrote about it in reply to gripreaper.
It`s not offending me, it`s just a silly notion from you...

Now Vatican may be your prime target and its satellites in Christian denominations...they are known as hidden homosexuals and pedophiles (NOT ALL priests...but it seems like higher the ladder they go, greater the chances they will be cloaked gays or pedophiles)

I'm just highlighting the many inconsistencies and bizarre interpretations that can be made from the so called word of god. The words are there plane and simple. I did not make them up. Funny you should put homosexuals and paedophiles under the same sinister banner. I call for all gay priests to come out and announce their divine right to salvation. Let them lead Catholicism out of darkness. Gay rights and all that. They are not sinners.

Again you want to have a ping pong word match here...
You are bailing out now by these words that you just read what is written...and just few posts ago you accused RedeZra of the same...
Hmmm



Regarding gays and rest... every life style has its consequences .I am no judge.
Choices were made before soul entered body so no excuses for this life no matter if its good or bad- a soul chose it before birth as an experience for their own learning or experiencing certain emotions or energy fields.

I like ping pong Big difference between me and red. He actually believes in this stuff I don't. i think it's quite clear what I'm doing. If it displeases you just ignore me and move on my friend.

[seigiarchon]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

All higher dimensional beings are androgynous. They are neither Man or Woman.

The Tao, or the Creator is non-dual. He is neither Man nor Woman. There are no such concepts as Masculine or Feminine in the Higher Dimensions.

The Higher Energies are separated in the lower dimensions because Man has to learn how to reconcile all the energies WITHIN HIMSELF and not by seeking external reliefs.

To see something as Man or Woman or anything else is just putting additional concepts or constructs in your mind which will delay you from enlightenment.

I agree. In the higher dimensions of the I AM, as we agree to call it, there is no duality. But we were talking about Yeshua and Magdeline IN HUMAN BODIES in THIS dimension, so lets keep that in mind. What they taught us was how to reach enlightenment through sacred union, through unifying both polarities of the energetic spectrum, in order to ascend duality.

You see, it is the oscillation between these two polarities in duality which animates life, the very energy of spirit which is in all things. You could not even take one step without this breath of life in you. The notion that those who have not been saved do not carry the holy spirit is fallacious, and also a lie. Energy is energy, life force is life force, or sexual energy is life force energy amplified. There is no distinction energetically. How it is generated occurs in the second chakra, and how it is held, amplified, directed and emanated determines the manifestation. Yeshua and Magdalene showed us how through righteousness (the right use of energy) how to raise the dead, feed the poor, heal the sick, walk on water, move mountains, and ASCEND!

Conversely, as you pointed out, the elite in the basement of the Vatican, have used the occult practices to extract life force, or sexual energy from children in the most inhumane ways. That is not the same as sacred sexual union between a man and a woman ,such as with Yeshua and Magdalene exemplified.

As long as one differentiate between himself and God, he would never become God himself.

Do you know that God wants all of us to become Him, to lose all our individual identity (man, woman, whatever), cast that aside and merge every fibre of our being into Him?

This is the very Essence of Enlightenment.

You want to have a sacred union with man or woman? Why not have a Sacred Union with God?

What mere mortal woman or man can compare with God?

You say you want to transcend Duality yet your mind hold concepts which keep you in Duality.

[seigiarchon]

i used to like ping pong too.. then i realize ping pong clutters and confuses the mind.. delays one from reaching his destination..

no wonder the sages say the intellect or mind can never be used to reach enlightenment..

[Beren]

I like ping pong Big difference between me and red. He actually believes in this stuff I don't. i think it's quite clear what I'm doing. If it displeases you just ignore me and move on my friend.

Thank you for honesty.

[gripreaper]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

As long as one differentiate between himself and God, he would never become God himself.

Do you know that God wants all of us to become Him, to lose all our individual identity (man, woman, whatever), cast that aside and merge every fibre of our being into Him?

This is the very Essence of Enlightenment.

Enlightenment is the ability to hold the fulness of spirit, the all that is the godhead IN A PHYSICAL BODY. It's not leaving the body.

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
You want to have a sacred union with man or woman? Why not have a Sacred Union with God?

What mere mortal woman or man can compare with God?

You say you want to transcend Duality yet your mind hold concepts which keep you in Duality.

Not so. I want to unify the opposites of duality while in a physical body. It's a lot more fun and exciting and passionate when doing this with a woman ( I am male). What, you don't enjoy that?

[cellardoor]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
i used to like ping pong too.. then i realize ping pong clutters and confuses the mind.. delays one from reaching his destination..

no wonder the sages say the intellect or mind can never be used to reach enlightenment..

Well if there is room no for intellect, I will take my leave, with a heavy heart. Ignorance has reigned supreme once again. Why deny our most precious quality?

[seigiarchon]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

As long as one differentiate between himself and God, he would never become God himself.

Do you know that God wants all of us to become Him, to lose all our individual identity (man, woman, whatever), cast that aside and merge every fibre of our being into Him?

This is the very Essence of Enlightenment.

Enlightenment is the ability to hold the fulness of spirit, the all that is the godhead IN A PHYSICAL BODY. It's not leaving the body.

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
You want to have a sacred union with man or woman? Why not have a Sacred Union with God?

What mere mortal woman or man can compare with God?

You say you want to transcend Duality yet your mind hold concepts which keep you in Duality.

Not so. I want to unify the opposites of duality while in a physical body. It's a lot more fun and exciting and passionate when doing this with a woman ( I am male). What, you don't enjoy that?

if you can't see or refuse to see through the emptiness of duality, what else can I say?

[RedeZra]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Adam and Eve had many children

and they had to marry each other


but because of genetic entropy

resulting in bad mutations in the genome

this is no longer a viable option


long time ago our ancestors were bigger stronger and lived much longer

first of all, the bible was written by generations of men.. who knows what the original bible said..

secondly.. how do you know adam and eve are mortal man and woman?

what if they are gods? what if adam and eve do not need sex in order to produce children?

to blindly accept every word of the bible or any other text in the world is folly

Adam and Eve fell from a spiritual state of mind to a carnal state of mind

and we have been tryin to get back to innocence ever since


the first man was called Adam because he was fashioned from the adamah or ground

and animated by the Breath of God

[RedeZra]

Posted by cellardoor (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

when Quirinius was appointed governor of Syria in 6 AD

the former client kingdom of Judea came under direct Roman control

and that is the reason for the tax census in Judea 6 AD


Luke mentions a world wide registration and not a local Judean taxation

also Luke uses the term hegemoneuo about Quirinius and not legate or governor

which indicates Quirinius as the Roman official in charge of this registration in Judea at the time of the Nativity



besides it's all in here

http://www.askelm.com/star/star014.htm

But why say, "world wide census" and why would Josef be required to travel to Bethlehem with Mary when it wasn't required? And why so very little evidence? And why was Jesus born 6 AD? Because Luke was wrong.

Luke is not wrong


Josephus (37 – c. 100) was a 1st-century Romano-Jewish historian and hagiographer of priestly and royal ancestry who recorded Jewish history

“There was moreover a certain sect of Jews who valued themselves highly for their exact knowledge of the law; and talking much of their contact with God, were greatly in favor with the women of Herod’s court. They are called Pharisees. They are men who had it in their power to control kings; extremely subtle, and ready to attempt any thing against those whom they did not like. When therefore the whole Jewish nation took an OATH to be faithful to Caesar, and [to] the interests of the king, these men, to the number of above six thousand, refused to swear. The king having laid a fine upon them, Pheroras’ wife [Herod’s sister-in-law] paid the money for them. They, in requital for her kindness (for they were supposed, by their great intimacy with God, to have attained to the gift of prophecy), prophesied that God having decreed to put an end to the government of Herod and his race, the kingdom would be transferred to her and Pheroras and their children. Salome [Herod’s sister], who was aware of all that was being said, came and told the king of them. She also told him that many of the court [of Herod] were corrupted by them. Then the king put to death the most guilty of the Pharisees, and Bagoas the eunuch, and one Carus, the most beautiful young man about the court, and the great instrument in the king’s unlawful pleasures. He [Herod] likewise slew every one in his own family, who adhered to those things which were said by the Pharisee. But Bagoas had been elevated by them and was told that he should some day be called father and benefactor of the [new] king, who was to be appointed according to their prediction, for this king would have all things in his power, and that he [the king] would give him [Bagoas] the capacity of marriage, and of having children of his own.” - Josephus, Antiquities XVII.41–45.

Luke and Josephus are not talkin about the tax census in Judea 6 AD

but the Oath of Allegiance to Augustus in 2 BC


and Herod the Great is still alive


Joseph was of the royal house and linage of king David

and so he had to go to the city of David

to take the Oath of Allegiance to Augustus


Mary came with him as she was about to give birth to Jesus

and after 40 days she had to take Him to the Temple in Jerusalem


Now when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were completed, they brought Him to Jerusalem to present [Him] to the Lord - Luke 2:22


besides it was the season of Sukkot at that time

where all males were required to make a pilgrimage to Jerusalem

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Jesus used to cast out demons from people

today they invite them within




oups miss minaj

you got visitor

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-RxJ23r3SDA

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Judgement is Coming

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2u7_OAQnoLk