Animal Slaughter: A Time For Change

[blufire]

I struggled on whether to post on this thread or not. But . . . I guess I’ll continue on being a voice for us low-vibrating, unconscious, unspiritual, knuckle dragging, Neanderthal, locked in perpetual 3D pathetic human world.

I turned 53 yesterday and have been a meat eater all my life. I am extremely healthy, never go to the doctor and can still go toe to toe with woman or sometimes men half my own age. Healthy cholesterol (total 187), blood pressure (110/70) pulse rate (74) all healthy vital statistics. I eat all meats, but mostly now meat from buffalo and chicken we raise on our own farms.

Not everyone has the blood type that enables them to be vegetarian or vegan

Unless you are growing all your own vegetables (organically) you are supporting, at a minimum. the oil industry because of the fertilizers and herbicides (oil base) and fuel it takes to haul your vegetables from other countries and/or grow them in greenhouses heated by oil based fuels.

It is not logical to think everyone across the world should or could live only on vegetables because they cannot be grown in their region. Ask an Inuit to be vegan and see the response you get or how about people who live in arid (desert) countries. Does this mean they are doomed to be low vibrating, unspiritual and trapped in a 3d existence?

What would we feed the millions of family pets across America? Or are we going to make these carnivores be vegan and vegetarian too. What would be the solution for them?

The horrendous slaughter houses are unconscionable but so are the billions of acres of genetically mutated vegetables and grains we are force fed.

The horrendous truth is what would we feed the billions of people of the world? No one ever answers this question and I bring it up over and over. Yeah Yeah free energy and futuristic farms . . . .but how do we get there with out first billions of people starving slowly to death?

Ignoring the FOUNDATIONAL problem will never get us to a more human and humane system. And I ain’t going to say what that is because everyone really gets their bloomers in a wad over that one.

And by the way Whitefeather . . . . you have the picture of a Crow Indian warrior as your avatar . . . what do you suppose he ate? I guess he never made it out of 3d vibration either . . . . . .

[Bo Atkinson]

Good people, please let us not wrestle, but rather find solutions. Blufire, i'm blood type B- which i've heard time and again, requires this blood bearer to eat meat or fish or whatnot.... I have eaten as many as a dozen eggs for breakfast in the old days, for hard labor protein. Loved it. Yes, heh-heh, hen periods at that, half of them were fertile though, thanks to our roosters. I used to get sore tongue issues, which ultimately i discovered was lack of omega3, well furnished by salmon, fish oils and the like. This happened despite the "blood on top" (of fertilized eggs). The fish oils would quickly restore my tongue-indicator of health. So would supplements of omega3. Finally i caught on to my, poor-man's, omega3 which happens to be flax oil. I just add a hand full of flax seed to my morning smoothie, (very complex blend, according to income).

I have thought of meat animals as collectors of nutrients for people. Well sure they do so. The rural, old fashioned farm meats are indeed nutritious, but primitive, as compared to today's high end supplements... L-Carnosine and Acetyl-L-Carnetine-Arginate HCL, are possibly the best age-extenders, from what little i've studied, for low budgeters..... The word prefix Carn, i believe comes from the Latin word for 'meat'..... Though the relationship is mysterious to me because hard facts are difficult to corroborate-- Just to say, this nutrient might or might not be present in particular meats, perhaps moose?? I disclaim any advice here and merely provide key words from my studies.... Things like telomere tech goes into high end products, but also gets big acclaim for age extention.

Dog food is assorted pink-slims, road kill complete with flee collars intact, and the latest fillers from who knows where. An old friend of mine committed suicide the other year, complaining of medical issues and not being up to his former dynamic self... In our early days as friends, he would eat dog food to show off as to his macho character. One of my beloved dogs died of head-shrinkage which was painful to watch as he followed me around like a drunk crashing left and right. Half his head was literally dented inwards by the incurable condition. Fully half shrunk there, not just a little.

The fact is our societies are so screwed up beyond comprehension, that there is no immediate solution, such as to "let them eat crusts" or whatever. "we are just where we are supposed to be" a mentor used to say.... We are all playing a master's game, at the height of galactic proportions. Use your cards, play your hand well.

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
Animals are not dumb creatures. Any human who works in such environments probably lost most of themselves and their humanity to this animal nightmare.
Tells you what kind of mentality it takes to do this to fellow beings....
I'm hoping that this will be one of the changes that takes place soon....

Exactly,,,Change we must! Time to treat the animals like human beings in the law of one. We are directly connected to them. By consuming animals i believe it has a Karmic effect on our spiritual growth and evolution. Consuming animals displays what primitive species we still are. This is why our extra terrestrial friends are more evolved due to the fact that most of them are fruitetarians or rely more on a plant based diet.

Quote by Blufire: And by the way Whitefeather . . . . you have the picture of a Crow Indian warrior as your avatar . . . what do you suppose he ate? I guess he never made it out of 3d vibration either . . . . . .

The native Indians cannot be compared to today's society of carnivores, everything the Indians did, they did with spirituality. Any hunted animal for feasting was celebrated to the spirit world and the animal itself for thanks. Thereby doing this IMO, didn't bring any negative Karma back to them. In today's society of knowledge and information on diet, we have many alternatives to eating. The Indians didn't have this accessability or technology. Many family's don't even say grace or a prayer anymore before eating. This is the difference. RESPECT for Nature!

[13th Warrior]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Thinking of your diet becoming a plant based one in the future perhaps? Here are two reasons why it might just change your mind someday!

On This Thread, User discretion is advised.

2 Reasons:

1. The cruel treatment of animals in slaughter houses from factory farming.
2. The need to raise our frequency's by choosing a plant based diet. And Eating meat may actually hinder our spiritual growth.

Love to hear your thoughts on this topic. Think Different, Eat Different!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hrq1wTkMzDY

A link from Pane Andov's Website:
Pane Andov On Animal Slaughter

1. Factory farms are an abomination!

2. I really wish this was true but, I've seen little evidence to support this supposition.

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Posted by wavydome (here)
Good people, please let us not wrestle, but rather find solutions. Blufire, i'm blood type B- which i've heard time and again, requires this blood bearer to eat meat or fish or whatnot.... I have eaten as many as a dozen eggs for breakfast in the old days, for hard labor protein. Loved it. Yes, heh-heh, hen periods at that, half of them were fertile though, thanks to our roosters. I used to get sore tongue issues, which ultimately i discovered was lack of omega3, well furnished by salmon, fish oils and the like. This happened despite the "blood on top" (of fertilized eggs). The fish oils would quickly restore my tongue-indicator of health. So would supplements of omega3. Finally i caught on to my, poor-man's, omega3 which happens to be flax oil. I just add a hand full of flax seed to my morning smoothie, (very complex blend, according to income).

I have thought of meat animals as collectors of nutrients for people. Well sure they do so. The rural, old fashioned farm meats are indeed nutritious, but primitive, as compared to today's high end supplements... L-Carnosine and Acetyl-L-Carnetine-Arginate HCL, are possibly the best age-extenders, from what little i've studied, for low budgeters..... The word prefix Carn, i believe comes from the Latin word for 'meat'..... Though the relationship is mysterious to me because hard facts are difficult to corroborate-- Just to say, this nutrient might or might not be present in particular meats, perhaps moose?? I disclaim any advice here and merely provide key words from my studies.... Things like telomere tech goes into high end products, but also gets big acclaim for age extention.

Dog food is assorted pink-slims, road kill complete with flee collars intact, and the latest fillers from who knows where. An old friend of mine committed suicide the other year, complaining of medical issues and not being up to his former dynamic self... In our early days as friends, he would eat dog food to show off as to his macho character. One of my beloved dogs died of head-shrinkage which was painful to watch as he followed me around like a drunk crashing left and right. Half his head was literally dented inwards by the incurable condition. Fully half shrunk there, not just a little.

The fact is our societies are so screwed up beyond comprehension, that there is no immediate solution, such as to "let them eat crusts" or whatever. "we are just where we are supposed to be" a mentor used to say.... We are all playing a master's game, at the height of galactic proportions. Use your cards, play your hand well.

Flax seed is pretty good for omega 3's but, chia seeds blow everything out of the water.

[blufire]

Whitefeather’s thread title includes “A Time for Change”. I agree . . .we are way past time for a change.

Every few months this dilemma comes up on Avalon . . . eating meat, vegan, vegetarian, low-vs-high vibration. Everybody fusses around, throws insults, polarizes and divides and then we all back off and go back to our corners, lick our wounds, pout and come back out swinging when it comes up again. And we start all over again.

How about we bring this issue to some sort of conclusion . . . as best we can . . . all on one thread. So then the next time a member brings this issue up we refer back to our “problem solving” . . . “solution finding" thread.

There will be some parts we can never completely solve but I would ask that we . . . .as forward, deeper thinking individuals . . . come to a workable place . . .a place that maybe a can offer more reasonable, practical solutions . . . for ALL.

So maybe we could start with a couple basics.

We all agree that the factory farming and slaughtering of animals is horrendous and need to stop . . . .right?? We got that one down . . . I don’t think anyone would say other wise. Everybody say yes or no . . . we agree on this one right?

Okay so, let’s address a bit harder one. Can we come to an agreement that not all people are able to be vegetarian or vegan? Our blood types or heritage or genetic makeup requires us to consume more of a red meat type protein.

Just stick with the foundational concept . . .that some require meat . . .let’s not try the substitute protein sources thing or the vibration spiritual thing. . . . can we agree that some require more of a meat based diet than others?

[Bo Atkinson]

"Flax seed is pretty good for omega 3's but, chia seeds blow everything out of the water."

I thought i read it has other nutrients of prime interest, but more omega3 in particular???

Late Edit
Price of omega 3 milli-grams in flax as compared with
price of omega 3 in milligrams chia
How much money per how many milligrams
(cost per dosage)
chia sure has other nutrients, but far-distant people can get same nutrients, even locally

Price performance wise, i have found that it entirely depends on shipping, etc.... If i lived in Mexico, i'd eat more and definitely eat tons of avocados. We are growing a miniature tree in the attic, "roof garden" , but wife says it hasn't set fruit yet. (Our dome cover is old and yellowed, perhaps too opaque.) When income permits, we buy the goodies and love it too, but mix i mix up a ratio of about 9 to 1, flax seed to chia seed. Avocado are dream food to me.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by wavydome (here)
"Flax seed is pretty good for omega 3's but, chia seeds blow everything out of the water."

I thought i read it has other nutrients of prime interest, but more omega3 in particular??? Price performance wise, i have found that it entirely depends on shipping, etc.... If i lived in Mexico, i'd eat more and definitely eat tons of avocados. We are growing a miniature tree in the attic, "roof garden" , but wife says it hasn't set fruit yet. (Our dome cover is old and yellowed, perhaps too opaque.) When income permits, we buy the goodies and love it too, but mix i mix up a ratio of about 9 to 1, flax seed to chia seed. Avocado are dream food to me.

Chia has twice as much omega 3s per table spoon of flax.

[WhiteFeather]

Lets not forget the health issues of the animals that are factory farmed (living in stressed out situations, never seeing the light of day etc.) There meat simply becomes tainted from the environments they live in. And then we ingest their tainted meat, causing sickness to ourselves and our children. Karma is a bitch.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by blufire (here)
Whitefeather’s thread title includes “A Time for Change”. I agree . . .we are way past time for a change.

Every few months this dilemma comes up on Avalon . . . eating meat, vegan, vegetarian, low-vs-high vibration. Everybody fusses around, throws insults, polarizes and divides and then we all back off and go back to our corners, lick our wounds, pout and come back out swinging when it comes up again. And we start all over again.

How about we bring this issue to some sort of conclusion . . . as best we can . . . all on one thread. So then the next time a member brings this issue up we refer back to our “problem solving” . . . “solution finding" thread.

There will be some parts we can never completely solve but I would ask that we . . . .as forward, deeper thinking individuals . . . come to a workable place . . .a place that maybe a can offer more reasonable, practical solutions . . . for ALL.

So maybe we could start with a couple basics.

We all agree that the factory farming and slaughtering of animals is horrendous and need to stop . . . .right?? We got that one down . . . I don’t think anyone would say other wise. Everybody say yes or no . . . we agree on this one right?

Okay so, let’s address a bit harder one. Can we come to an agreement that not all people are able to be vegetarian or vegan? Our blood types or heritage or genetic makeup requires us to consume more of a red meat type protein.

Just stick with the foundational concept . . .that some require meat . . .let’s not try the substitute protein sources thing or the vibration spiritual thing. . . . can we agree that some require more of a meat based diet than others?

A primary problem with addressing this issue has to do with ethnocentrism.

[blufire]

Ethnocentrism . . . . agreed, but let’s not go there.

Can we just really really try to stay on the bottom line, black & white (as much as possible) concepts?

No over analyzing the subjective stuff

Can we, here on Avalon, rise above this type of conditioning and brainwashing?

Can we stick to really trying to solve this problem or are we doomed to division and hurtful dirt throwing?

Again the question . . . . can we agree that some require meat?

[mind-scape]

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[blufire]

Lets not forget the health issues of the animals that are factory farmed (living in stressed out situations, never seeing the light of day etc.) There meat simply becomes tainted from the environments they live in. And then we ingest their tainted meat, causing sickness to ourselves and our children. Karma is a bitch.

This is all true Whitefeather and karma can be a bitch. But, a few of us refusing to eat meat because of the atrocities will not end the karma for humanity . . . even for those who are vegan and vegetarian

Karma goes deeper than that . . . because you are not becoming active in solving the insanity. Ignoring the truth will not make it go away.

Acknowledge the deeper foundational truths.

Again can we even attempt at engaging in finding even the beginning of a solution or do we just go through this all over again until everyone becomes frustrated and quits? Perpetuating and further grinding in our conditioning and brainwashing?

Not much fun is it . . . . when you take away the emotional sensational shock value . . . .

Can we agree that some require meat in their diet?

[Belle]

Posted by blufire (here)

Lets not forget the health issues of the animals that are factory farmed (living in stressed out situations, never seeing the light of day etc.) There meat simply becomes tainted from the environments they live in. And then we ingest their tainted meat, causing sickness to ourselves and our children. Karma is a bitch.

This is all true Whitefeather and karma can be a bitch. But, a few of us refusing to eat meat because of the atrocities will not end the karma for humanity . . . even for those who are vegan and vegetarian

Karma goes deeper than that . . . because you are not becoming active in solving the insanity. Ignoring the truth will not make it go away.

Acknowledge the deeper foundational truths.

Again can we even attempt at engaging in finding even the beginning of a solution or do we just go through this all over again until everyone becomes frustrated and quits? Perpetuating and further grinding in our conditioning and brainwashing?

Not much fun is it . . . . when you take away the emotional sensational shock value . . . .

Can we agree that some require meat in their diet?

Why do you need others approval to eat meat? If you want to eat it, go ahead....it's your choice. I doubt we will ever come to a consensus on this...it is not a situation where "one size fits all".

A solution? Eliminate the ideas of factory farms as the only way to feed "all the people"...eliminate the ideas that GMO's can do the same and they are safer than organic...eliminate the ideas that government is our Daddy and is only out for our own good.

Create the ideas that what is being done "for our own good" is unacceptable. We are not children. Create the ideas that free will allows for thinking outside of the box...that I speak only for myself...that each person is allowed to choose their own way as long as it does not bring harm to another. And start living it in our own lives.

And what good are ideas? Everything is brought into creation by a thought and idea first...the rest follows.

[WhiteFeather]

If the proper care and practice in treating animals prior to slaughter is utilized and respected i would agree with meat consumers of today. But that is not the practice of our society today. Our animals are treated poorly and in totally unsafe living conditions. And All for the benefit of greed and making a fast buck with total disregard for nature on this planet. Just look what they are doing to our much needed rainforests on the account of greed. IMO, If we are to advance as a species from primitive species to a much evolved species, this is a great place to start. Taking proper care and protecting our wildlife and all of its inhabitants. I leave you this video. Please watch it when you can.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hWtVTu6S51M

[blufire]

Belle did you read my post #25?

Whitefeather, have you ever cared for a large group of livestock?

And by the way Whitefeather, one of the reasons meat producers have to cut their expenses down (in caring for the animals) is because WE demand cheap food (not only meat). Would you be able or willing to pay about 4 to 5 times more than what you pay now for your food? How about others who can’t afford even the minimum of what they need to live

Horrible horrible cycle

[Russ1959]

Great post Whitefeather, I became a raw food veggie after a similar post a couple of months back.

I have lost 3 and a half stone and have never felt healthier.

My wife and daughter have followed suite after catching a glimpse of a similar video!

Blessings

[Belle]

Posted by blufire (here)
Belle did you read my post #25?

Yes I did, Blufire. Did you read my post? Did you hear what I said... or did you respond to what you thought I said?

[truth4me]

Maybe my spirit guides led me to this thread but I too aim thinking about giving up meat. Here in Arkansas as I'm sure as other places BBQ is big and it seems I'm losing my taste for it. Never would have thought that 10 years ago.....

[blufire]

I apologize sincerely for bringing negative energy to the forum and to this thread and will step out of the discussion.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by blufire (here)

I apologize sincerely for bringing negative energy to the forum and to this thread and will step out of the discussion.

It's ok, this is an emotional issue for many.