Animal Slaughter: A Time For Change

[13th Warrior]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
IMO,,,,Eating animal DNA also lowers our frequencys/ vibration thus hindering spiritual growth and spiritual evolution. Again its my opinion.

Again, i wish this were true...

Many who claim this seem to have the least amount of compassion and tolerance for those who are not strictly vegan; this has been demonstrated on this forum with regularity and consistency (not referencing this thread or you in particular).

Many seem to place higher values on animals then their fellow humans by wishing unto death anyone involved in the killing of animals without knowing the individuals involved or what their having to deal with in their lives...

What is your position on breast feeding a child?

After all breast milk is animal protein...

[seigiarchon]

A drug addict asks the policeman, "can we agree that some of us require DRUGS?"

[modwiz]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
IMO,,,,Eating animal DNA also lowers our frequencys/ vibration thus hindering spiritual growth and spiritual evolution. Again its my opinion.

What is your position on breast feeding a child?

After all breast milk is animal protein...

This is such a morally impoverished question I feel dirty addressing it. Either that or it is intellectual poverty. Mammals feed their young with their own milk. This is natural and nurturing and affords immunity. The DNA involved is the same, so there is no 'lowering' of vibration because it is one and the same. To take a subject about factory farm meat consumption and twist it into a question of mothers milk suggests drug/alcohol usage.

Your supposed point is an, out of context to the subject, disingenuous, absurdity.

The point WF makes about lower vibration is well made here. Like him, it is my opinion.

Factory farming is an abomination. Support of it once the true nature of the horrors involved are known makes one an accomplice to this crime. The crime is factory farming and not breast-feeding or hunting. Humane raising of animals is not for me, but that is a different subject and one best left to the conscience of the consumer.

I hope this is clear enough.

After all breast milk is an animal protein

What a ridiculous retort.

[Tane Mahuta]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Thinking of your diet becoming a plant based one in the future perhaps? Here are two reasons why it might just change your mind someday!

On This Thread, User discretion is advised.

2 Reasons:

1. The cruel treatment of animals in slaughter houses from factory farming.
2. The need to raise our frequency's by choosing a plant based diet. And Eating meat may actually hinder our spiritual growth.

Love to hear your thoughts on this topic. Think Different, Eat Different!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hrq1wTkMzDY

A link from Pane Andov's Website:
Pane Andov On Animal Slaughter

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

Here's another horrible...A must watch!!

Viewer discrection IS reccomended.

TM

[modwiz]

Posted by Tane Mahuta (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
Thinking of your diet becoming a plant based one in the future perhaps? Here are two reasons why it might just change your mind someday!

On This Thread, User discretion is advised.

2 Reasons:

1. The cruel treatment of animals in slaughter houses from factory farming.
2. The need to raise our frequency's by choosing a plant based diet. And Eating meat may actually hinder our spiritual growth.

Love to hear your thoughts on this topic. Think Different, Eat Different!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hrq1wTkMzDY

A link from Pane Andov's Website:
Pane Andov On Animal Slaughter

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ce4DJh-L7Ys

Here's another horrible...A must watch!!

Viewer discrection IS reccomended.

TM

The only people who should watch, IMO, are the ones whose plates demand the product. All others should spare themselves the trauma of this horrific practice. It is hard to get such images out of the mind once put in there. Unless you ingest this foul product I would counsel against ingesting the imagery. Otherwise, inform yourself. Know how what ends up on your plate, what you demand and support with your money, got there.

Thanks for the generous warning on this video TM.

[blufire]

To those who think we should all be vegetarian or vegan.

I’m going to try to make an apple to apples comparison here.

Help me to understand . . . . .

If eating meat produced from animal factory farming will lower all people’s vibration and spiritual level. Because the animals live an inhumane and cruel life before slaughtered and consumed.

Then those (most of us) who wear clothing and/or use products that are made in overseas factories are just as low vibrating and spiritually devoid. These factories are inhumane to the people who work there. Child labor, dangerous filthy conditions, little pay, 18 to 20 hour days, 7 days a week . . . . . present day horrendous human slavery.

How is this any different?

Whitefeather (as others have) makes the broad statement that we should not eat any meat at all and that we should all be vegetarian or vegan.

IMO,,,,Eating animal DNA also lowers our frequencys/ vibration thus hindering spiritual growth and spiritual evolution. Again its my opinion

The lines are too blurred. Is it animal DNA from factory raised animals or ALL animal protein?

Should we not wear any clothing at all or make a stand only against clothing and products made in the inhumane slave factories?

And if we make that distinction then how do we humanely produce meat for the majority of the people who eat meat, as well as, how do we take care of the people whose very lives depend on working in these cruel overseas factories? Are you willing to send money or other means to support the people so they don't have to work in these factories for a meager inhumane existence?

If we make these broad general, guilt laden, damning statements then what are the practical realistic solutions?

[modwiz]

Posted by blufire (here)
To those who think we should all be vegetarian or vegan.

I’m going to try to make an apple to apples comparison here.

Help me to understand . . . . .

If eating meat produced from animal factory farming will lower all people’s vibration and spiritual level. Because the animals live an inhumane and cruel life before slaughtered and consumed.

Then those (most of us) who wear clothing and/or use products that are made in overseas factories are just as low vibrating and spiritually devoid. These factories are inhumane to the people who work there. Child labor, dangerous filthy conditions, little pay, 18 to 20 hour days, 7 days a week . . . . . present day horrendous human slavery.

How is this any different?

Apples to apples? No way. The animals have no choice, period, end of story. The people who work in the factories have decided to work there. There must be choices because all people in China (or other such countries) do not have to make that choice. Some have very nice jobs. Is there a comparison in the factory farming situation where some cows can just do what they want, or opt for the grass fed pasture life? Apple to apples indeed. Like 13th warrior, your comparison show a twisted logic at best, and none at all in reality.

The people defending the practice of factory farming are exhibiting a marked disposition toward non-arguments and straying from true comparisons. Interesting observation. Maybe it's diet.

Although your comparison is nonsense, I believe not purchasing products that exploit humans is a commendable practice. Glad you brought it up. Identifying the companies that bring such products to market could be helpful. I wonder if the people who make their meager livings in these factories would be so happy to lose their jobs though. Bad times trump starvation. Do you think the factory farm animals would have any such reservations about this practice though, in your so-called apples to apples comparison? Do you see the obtuse argument you try to make now?

Apple is one company that is an egregious example of this human exploitation and it is one of the secrets to their high profits. Purchasers and stockholders would send a powerful message by not buying and divestment. Just as consumers of factory farmed meat would send a powerful message by not consuming that product. Look what happened to pink slime. In the short run at least.

Once again, to bring this argument back to point. This is about factory farming with omnivorous habits as a tangential, but logical tag along. I prefer to keep it about factory farming and not the actual flesh eating. Flesh eating is a very emotional issue as is amply displayed here and emotional issues to not lend themselves to intellectual debates. Intellect and emotions are apples and lettuce.

Just as global warming and pollution often get mixed together for maximum confusion, factory farming and flesh consumption often conflate to the detriment of a solid discussion. I believe the evils of factory farming can be discussed objectively. Diet cannot.

[blufire]

Do you truly think that a father or mother in these countries and working in these slave factories have the choice?

Their only choice or option is to work in the slave factories and earn a meager existence to feed and cloth their babies or even themselves.

How is this choice?

Meat producing animal factories for human consumption is no different than product producing human slave factories for human consumption.

Again what are the practical solutions for the majority of the population that consume meat?

What are the practical or logical solutions to wearing or using products manufactured in slave factories?

We have to stop demanding change if we offer no solution to change to . . . .

Also, it would help greatly in our discussion if you wouldn’t sling hurtful words, accusations and phrases to try to slam members like me or 13th Warrior, who offer opposing view points.

[modwiz]

Posted by blufire (here)
Do you truly think that a father or mother in these countries and working in these slave factories have the choice?

Their only choice or option is to work in the slave factories and earn a meager existence to feed and cloth their babies or even themselves.

How is this choice?

Meat producing animal factories for human consumption is no different than product producing human slave factories for human consumption.

Again what are the practical solutions for the majority of the population that consume meat?

What are the practical or logical solutions to wearing or using products manufactured in slave factories?

We have to stop demanding change if we offer no solution to change to . . . .

Also, it would help greatly in our discussion if you wouldn’t sling hurtful words, accusations and phrases to try to slam members like me or 13th Warrior, who offer opposing view points.

You call them opposing. I call them disingenuous or misguided and I mean it. They are ridiculous in their opposition. They are fake as true mirrors to the situation. They hold no weight. It is completely dishonest or wrong headed, to compare miserable working conditions, where there is always a choice. The metaphysical and spiritual implications of humans and choice is fundamental to understanding our innate divinity. Without that understanding as a centerpiece, however unspoken it is, to the discussion it is impossible to have any conversation that does not result in one of us talking past the other. Such a dialogue would be futile, fruitless and a waste of both of our time.

Factory farm animals are consigned to hell by us and our choices. The unfortunate factory workers are part of a bigger drama between us all. Using them as an opposition to the fate of the tortured animals whose death is the only mercy they will have in their horrific existence is to make no argument at all unless the subject is your own ability to have an honest dialogue. I feel politicked by such attempts to tell me an orange is an apple.

It must be the diet. I mean that.

I have observed you closely Blufire. I feel we have no future in this conversation. Feel free to respond if it equals things out. You can have the last words. I am sure they will speak for themselves.

Let us meet in other threads where some common ground is to be found. The Green Scam thread is a good example.

[blufire]

How does a very few becoming vegan or vegetarian SOLVE anything?

How does this stop the karma that you and whitefeather say is produced.

Is it all animal protein? or only the animal protein from the factory farms?

How does you not eating meat end the karma . . .even on a personal level?

Stop condemning the majority of the world population who at least eat some meat if you offer no real solutions for them.

And I mean that.

[modwiz]

Hey, Whitefeather. Have you condemned anybody lately or have you just offered to let your heart speak on an opinion you have?

[blufire]

Oh good grief modwiz . . . I have observed you closely too . . . and you always back out after you throw a few zingers when someone offers a solid opposing view.

You said the following about me over in the “green energy scam thread”:

You are a wayshower Blufire. Do not second guess yourself. Turkeys will always try to convince eagles they are showing off for flying so high.

If this is truly how you feel about me then consider that I may be trying to “show a different way” here. I will not second guess myself with this subject.

Are you being a turkey to my eagle here on this thread or perhaps you feel I am the turkey to your eagle??

[WhiteFeather]

Give it a try one day Bluefire, youll be suprised at the results. I mean that as well.

[blufire]

All animal protein or only animal protein from the slaughter houses, guys?

What is the solution for even a portion of the world population? Even the beginning of a solution that is practical . . . . .

Your title whitefeather says ”time for a change” how do we proceed to do that?

Two years ago I fell for the “guilt trip” and went 6 months on a full vegetarian diet and it took me almost a full year to recover from the damage

[modwiz]

Posted by blufire (here)
Oh good grief modwiz . . . I have observed you closely too . . . and you always back out after you throw a few zingers when someone offers a solid opposing view.

You said the following about me over in the “green energy scam thread”:

You are a wayshower Blufire. Do not second guess yourself. Turkeys will always try to convince eagles they are showing off for flying so high.

If this is truly how you feel about me then consider that I may be trying to “show a different way” here. I will not second guess myself with this subject.

Are you being a turkey to my eagle here on this thread or perhaps you feel I am the turkey to your eagle??

Blufire. I do not back out. I choose to not beat dead horses and create any more stink than necessary.I do not wish to mix threads any more than I would prepare food after using the toilet. If you had a solid opposing view there might be somewhere to go. You have a solid emotional response to a given subject here. Your argument was non-existent. Don't continue to delude yourself thinking you made any sense at all. Nothing but wishin' and hopin', like Dusty Springfield sang.

I meant what I said in the quote. I look for places to admire and acknowledge people. To do less would lower my vibration. Do you find it so hard to believe that I can have a good opinion about you? I am not at all black and white, but delight in nuances. I know it is often not apparent because nuance is not part of our culture and so it flies under the radar. I know you know I am subtle, you have the mental acuity for it. It is why I will take you to task when your argument is raggedy. If you had a real one you would be able to make it. What we eat is an emotional subject. Emotions are terrible debaters.

[blufire]

I am not coming from an emotional place. I am asking a solid question . . . the lines between animal factory produced meat and meat produced by other means is too blurred and not defined.

In this thread we are only given one option . . .become vegetarian or vegan or rot in karmic hell

I refuse to believe this is a logical and compassionate solution for the majority of humanity.

[modwiz]

Posted by blufire (here)
I am not coming from an emotional place. I am asking a solid question . . . the lines between animal factory produced meat and meat produced by other means is too blurred and not defined.

In this thread we are only given one option . . .become vegetarian or vegan or rot in karmic hell

I refuse to believe this is a logical and compassionate solution for the majority of humanity.

Kinda depends on whether you believe in such a karmic hell, doesn't it. You don't. It is really OK to ignore such notions and chomp away on your favorite critter. I am just a poster in a thread and my focus is factory farming. I left the diet argument along time ago. I have my opinion and it informs my dietary practices and I will share that opinion where applicable.

I am very comfortable with a saying attributed to Jesus. That what things come from a person, or out of them is more important than what goes into them. This statement was addressing the very strict dietary rules of the Judeans. Factory farming is really not about diet in the strict sense. It is a practice that speaks to our very decency as a species sharing the earth with others. The only reason for them and the 'pink slime' side products they produce is profit. Nothing other than profit. Hormones, antibiotics are all for profit and have nothing to to with feeding humanity. That is a false and empty argument made by the liars who lie about everything they do to retain control of as much as they can.

Whatever you eat, eat with good conscience and health. I walk with Gaia and see the predator and prey relationship and see it as part of a natural expression of things. I do not need to be a part of it and choose not to. To condemn a natural harvesting of food, whatever it is, from the environment would be highly hypocritical, even irreverent of me. I do observe the effects that food has on myself and others. My diet suits the person I wish to be. Some may say, "So, you eat to be as asshole?". We are entitled to our own opinions.

[modwiz]

Posted by blufire (here)
I am not coming from an emotional place. I am asking a solid question . . . the lines between animal factory produced meat and meat produced by other means is too blurred and not defined.

In this thread we are only given one option . . .become vegetarian or vegan or rot in karmic hell

I refuse to believe this is a logical and compassionate solution for the majority of humanity.

You need glasses then. There is no blurriness. Obfuscation perhaps because the the producers know that this knowledge is bad for business. Looking away will also produce blurry vision or its' equivalent. Knowledge of the sources of some foodstuffs can be uncomfortable. Most will do what they can to avoid discomfort. It is only natural, even if not so moral, in this particular instance.

The producers of good meats are proud of it and will make sure you know it. The rest is factory farm stuff. As long as people buy it they will sell it. They are psychopaths and could care less about any feelings animal, vegetable or mineral, as long as those feelings do not impact their profits.

All of these posts have made my vision blurry. Break time.

[WhiteFeather]

In my paranormal research/studies and with much reference to our universal star family, is as they evolved to a higher spiritual measure.

Their diet was quite significant (as spoken by Alex Collier on his knowledge that the Andromedans were fruitaterians) this i believe just might be a key to unlock higher spiritual growth or evolvement perhaps. Are we still primitive man, im sure in their eyes we still are primitive. This is what resonates with me. Be it discarded or accepted that is choice. Just Sharing this concept with Avalon is all. And It all makes clear sense to me. My God Its Full Of Stars. Be Love Anyways ≈W.f.≈

[13th Warrior]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
IMO,,,,Eating animal DNA also lowers our frequencys/ vibration thus hindering spiritual growth and spiritual evolution. Again its my opinion.

What is your position on breast feeding a child?

After all breast milk is animal protein...

This is such a morally impoverished question I feel dirty addressing it. Either that or it is intellectual poverty. Mammals feed their young with their own milk. This is natural and nurturing and affords immunity. The DNA involved is the same, so there is no 'lowering' of vibration because it is one and the same. To take a subject about factory farm meat consumption and twist it into a question of mothers milk suggests drug/alcohol usage.

Your supposed point is an, out of context to the subject, disingenuous, absurdity.

The point WF makes about lower vibration is well made here. Like him, it is my opinion.

Factory farming is an abomination. Support of it once the true nature of the horrors involved are known makes one an accomplice to this crime. The crime is factory farming and not breast-feeding or hunting. Humane raising of animals is not for me, but that is a different subject and one best left to the conscience of the consumer.

I hope this is clear enough.

After all breast milk is an animal protein

What a ridiculous retort.

Modwiz,

Is this what "higher vibration" looks like?

You can display plenty of cynicism and a general disdane for humans for someone who claims to have a diet that supports a higher vibration...

To take a subject about factory farm meat consumption and twist it into a question of mothers milk suggests drug/alcohol usage.

Wow! I wasn't comparing breast feeding to factory farming; in fact that notion had never crossed my mind...and to suggest that's what i was inferring is absurd!

None of my comments on this subject have ever been in support of factory farming!