Animal Slaughter: A Time For Change

[13th Warrior]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
In my paranormal research/studies and with much reference to our universal star family, is as they evolved to a higher spiritual measure.

Their diet was quite significant (as spoken by Alex Collier on his knowledge that the Andromedans were fruitaterians) this i believe just might be a key to unlock higher spiritual growth or evolvement perhaps. Are we still primitive man, im sure in their eyes we still are primitive. This is what resonates with me. Be it discarded or accepted that is choice. Just Sharing this concept with Avalon is all. And It all makes clear sense to me. My God Its Full Of Stars. Be Love Anyways ≈W.f.≈

White Feather,

I support your choice; i my self have pursued a vegan diet for similar reasons but, fail to see those results.

I hope you have greater success!

[modwiz]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
IMO,,,,Eating animal DNA also lowers our frequencys/ vibration thus hindering spiritual growth and spiritual evolution. Again its my opinion.

What is your position on breast feeding a child?

After all breast milk is animal protein...

This is such a morally impoverished question I feel dirty addressing it. Either that or it is intellectual poverty. Mammals feed their young with their own milk. This is natural and nurturing and affords immunity. The DNA involved is the same, so there is no 'lowering' of vibration because it is one and the same. To take a subject about factory farm meat consumption and twist it into a question of mothers milk suggests drug/alcohol usage.

Your supposed point is an, out of context to the subject, disingenuous, absurdity.

The point WF makes about lower vibration is well made here. Like him, it is my opinion.

Factory farming is an abomination. Support of it once the true nature of the horrors involved are known makes one an accomplice to this crime. The crime is factory farming and not breast-feeding or hunting. Humane raising of animals is not for me, but that is a different subject and one best left to the conscience of the consumer.

I hope this is clear enough.

After all breast milk is an animal protein

What a ridiculous retort.

Modwiz,

Is this what "higher vibration" looks like?

You can display plenty of cynicism and a general disdane for humans for someone who claims to have a diet that supports a higher vibration...

To take a subject about factory farm meat consumption and twist it into a question of mothers milk suggests drug/alcohol usage.

Wow! I wasn't comparing breast feeding to factory farming; in fact that notion had never crossed my mind...and to suggest that's what i was inferring is absurd!

None of my comments on this subject have ever been in support of factory farming!

A question about mother's milk being suitable food is a strange one and one that cannot be taken seriously. Only purveyors of unnatural foods like baby formulas would ever speak ill of mother milk. Introducing it as a topic for discussion seemed snarky.

I accept that factory farming was not part of it. My bad.

Let there be no bad feeling from this. Keeping the vibration as high as possible is important.

Next topic!

[13th Warrior]

My breast milk statement was a leading question to address the general notion that humans don't need animal protein in their diet.

Someone always brings up the example of some athlete that's vegan like the MMA fighter from the posted video on this tread. Sure the guy is fit and healthy on his current diet but, he said he used to eat chicken and fish. So, during the most critical growth stages of his young life he had some animal protein in his diet.

My question is: At what age should a person start a vegan diet? How long would you nurse your child before starting them on a vegan diet?

[WhiteFeather]

An interesting perspective by Mr Astralwalker. Be known there is a slight language barrier. Listen closely.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hs9DqX-4Ak

[13th Warrior]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
An interesting perspective by Mr Astralwalker. Be known there is a slight language barrier. Listen closely.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hs9DqX-4Ak

Ok, i'm going to comment before watching the video (which is usually a bad idea).

All life on Earth goes thought the same life cycle; every organism survives on this plane by feeding upon another organism...this is the way of the world.

Plants have a given life as well as animals; i place no greater importance of one above the other...

[modwiz]

Posted by 13th Warrior (here)
My breast milk statement was a leading question to address the general notion that humans don't need animal protein in their diet.

Someone always brings up the example of some athlete that's vegan like the MMA fighter from the posted video on this tread. Sure the guy is fit and healthy on his current diet but, he said he used to eat chicken and fish. So, during the most critical growth stages of his young life he has some animal protein in his diet.

My question is: At what age should a person start a vegan diet? How long would you nurse your child before starting them on a vegan diet?

I think nursing should continue till either the child or mother is done with the process. My granddaughter was raised vegan. Her father remained omnivorous. The mother has shifted somewhat but the granddaughter chooses to continue to be largely vegan but is free to eat what she will. She was much healthier and smarter than most children around her. A little smaller because of the lack of growth hormones.

I will reiterate that diet is personal, but factory farming is evil and all of the practices of that industry are profit, and not health, driven. It is the wonder of the human body and spirit that allows us to eat crap and often thrive anyway.

I love yogurt but eat it only occasionally. The bacterial cultures of yogurt have their origins in the human gut and then convert whatever milk it grows in to something with a very strong human DNA friendly vibration. The living bacteria within the yogurt have an ancient symbiotic relationship with our species to the point that our health, digestion and certain vitamins like B12 rely heavily on their generous presence on the lining of our large intestines. Their absence is the root of much disease in our species.

Yogurt is a unique class of food because of this.

[WhiteFeather]

Are we not much more evolved than any other species to know better. Or are we still primitive man. It makes me wonder. Hopefully we will all understand one day how we are all connected to everything of this planet and the infinite universe.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2Ky2JQq8lag

[blufire]

I really do apologize . . . .but I swear no matter how I look at this issue I can’t resolve a foundation to build from, if I come from the vegetarian/ vegan point of view.

Understand I do NOT support factory farming of ANY kind . . . animal or plant.

Most of my life I have raised and preserved almost all my food . . . meat, fruit and vegetables.

Perhaps because I have raised, harvested and thankfully consumed all these different forms of sentient beings I do not see the difference between eating sentient meat OR sentient plants.

The fact horrendous animal factory farming exists is no more my personal karmic responsibility than the horrendous gmo factory farming of plants.

Because I was born and raised in the south, I have a very defined deep southern accent and there have been many times I have been accused of being racists and also it has been inferred because of my southern heritage that slavery is somehow my fault and/or that I somehow support it. So only because I grew up in the south and have a distinct southern accent I also have inherited the negative karma of the southern slave owners??? I see no difference as a meat eater. How am I karmically responsible for the tragic existence animal farms simple because I responsibly and humanely raise and eat meat?

If I adopt the ideology that I should not eat meat solely because of factory farming and slaughter then logically I would have to apply the same to factory genetically mutation and farming of plants.

I would not live long in my way of thinking because then I would have nothing to eat in the fear of karmic responsibility.

I respect and have compassion and understanding and humbleness for all the life forces that sustain my life. I am a sentient human being, all animals are sentient and all plant life is sentient. Every LIVING thing is made up of the same DNA, amino acids and proteins (building blocks of ALL life) . . . they are simply arranged differently

So could someone logically and unemotionally explain the difference to me?

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by blufire (here)
I really do apologize . . . .but I swear no matter how I look at this issue I can’t resolve a foundation to build from, if I come from the vegetarian/ vegan point of view.

Understand I do NOT support factory farming of ANY kind . . . animal or plant.

Most of my life I have raised and preserved almost all my food . . . meat, fruit and vegetables.

Perhaps because I have raised, harvested and thankfully consumed all these different forms of sentient beings I do not see the difference between eating sentient meat OR sentient plants.

The fact horrendous animal factory farming exists is no more my personal karmic responsibility than the horrendous gmo factory farming of plants.

Because I was born and raised in the south, I have a very defined deep southern accent and there have been many times I have been accused of being racists and also it has been inferred because of my southern heritage that slavery is somehow my fault and/or that I somehow support it. So only because I grew up in the south and have a distinct southern accent I also have inherited the negative karma of the southern slave owners??? I see no difference as a meat eater. How am I karmically responsible for the tragic existence animal farms simple because I responsibly and humanely raise and eat meat?

If I adopt the ideology that I should not eat meat solely because of factory farming and slaughter then logically I would have to apply the same to factory genetically mutation and farming of plants.

I would not live long in my way of thinking because then I would have nothing to eat in the fear of karmic responsibility.

I respect and have compassion and understanding and humbleness for all the life forces that sustain my life. I am a sentient human being, all animals are sentient and all plant life is sentient. Every LIVING thing is made up of the same DNA, amino acids and proteins (building blocks of ALL life) . . . they are simply arranged differently

So could someone logically and unemotionally explain the difference to me?

Only your innerself can explain this blufire. My innerself differs from yours. And I do respect you for that. Your opinion is well documented and recorded. All of my Love Sis. XXXOOO ≈W.F.≈

[Paladin14]

Posted by WhiteFeather (here)
An interesting perspective by Mr Astralwalker. Be known there is a slight language barrier. Listen closely.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5hs9DqX-4Ak

This vid was the catalyst in making me realize that I shouldn't be eating animals altogether, even if it was just once in a while.
I already knew meat wasn't a necessity for our health, but this led me to realize that I wasn't being the most compassionate person.

A conversation with a girlfriend got me off on a little rant after her testing me on not eating meat anymore. I talked about the health stuff and then I ended with something like "its not my job to make you a more compassionate human being, my purpose in life is to evolve in every way- physically, spiritually, morally... and I'm done with eating meat, you can do whatever you want to do with your life."

I know all animals make decisions and have consciousness. Fish and birds perform mating rituals, some mimic other species for survival- there's intellect and desire there. After coming to the realization that I've been ignorantly eating other slaughtered beings I am worried how much karma I have built up, and I hope to forgive myself of that karma by living the rest of this life increasing my vibration and love in every way.

[DeBron]

On animal slaughter: I do not see the difference between it and vegetable slaughter. They are both placed in cramped conditions and fed what will make them the most viable up to consumption. On both sides the methods used to get the produce/meat to your plate can be seen as deplorable.

Should we be kinder to what we are inevitably going to kill and consume? I don't know. I do know what it is like to destroy a life and then consume it. I do know what it is like to just purchase an already prepared meal and eat it. I prefer the latter for reasons of time and effort mainly.

The one thing that I try to remember is I intend for the food that I take into my body to be beneficial to me. Nothing that occurs to me is Bad, or good because the experience is why I am here.

Until you learn to get all nurishment from the ether you will have to kill something, break it down into much simplier things and use it to power your vessel.

But do eat more green things than anything else.

[Paladin14]

Posted by DeBron (here)
On animal slaughter: I do not see the difference between it and vegetable slaughter. They are both placed in cramped conditions and fed what will make them the most viable up to consumption. On both sides the methods used to get the produce/meat to your plate can be seen as deplorable.

Should we be kinder to what we are inevitably going to kill and consume? I don't know. I do know what it is like to destroy a life and then consume it. I do know what it is like to just purchase an already prepared meal and eat it. I prefer the latter for reasons of time and effort mainly.

The one thing that I try to remember is I intend for the food that I take into my body to be beneficial to me. Nothing that occurs to me is Bad, or good because the experience is why I am here.

Until you learn to get all nurishment from the ether you will have to kill something, break it down into much simplier things and use it to power your vessel.

But do eat more green things than anything else.

I hear ya, there are some plants that seem to have some decision space, the Venus flytrap plant being the most obvious example. I still see a big difference between plants and animals though, and I probably wouldn't eat that particular plant.

I guess the main difference to me is the emotions that animals show, where plants seem to be just sort of mechanical biological beings.

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I respect and have compassion and understanding and humbleness for all the life forces that sustain my life

If everyone was on this level we would be in a much more balanced environment.

In regards to your question. All is from source, so you are correct in asking this question.
I think it comes down to our emotional connection to certain life forms.
I personally don't feel any guilt for pulling a plant out of the ground, but I may not feel the same about something that has eyes.
It's about how we identify with certain aspects of the life forms around us.
Plants are obviously sentient, but you don't consider them to be very similar to yourself.
I think this is the root of the pain that many people feel when they see animals being slaughtered.
Cultivate respect for all life. I will suggest that to everyone, but the decision to not eat animals is one that only you can make.

[13th Warrior]

Posted by STATIC (here)

I respect and have compassion and understanding and humbleness for all the life forces that sustain my life

If everyone was on this level we would be in a much more balanced environment.

In regards to your question. All is from source, so you are correct in asking this question.
I think it comes down to our emotional connection to certain life forms.
I personally don't feel any guilt for pulling a plant out of the ground, but I may not feel the same about something that has eyes.
It's about how we identify with certain aspects of the life forms around us.
Plants are obviously sentient, but you don't consider them to be very similar to yourself.
I think this is the root of the pain that many people feel when they see animals being slaughtered.
Cultivate respect for all life. I will suggest that to everyone, but the decision to not eat animals is one that only you can make.

What about potatoes?

They have eyes.

[modwiz]

The consumption of fruits, nuts and leafy greens cropped but still free to continue growing are ways of obtaining high quality nutrition from the plant kingdom without any death to them. Just an observation and not a preaching. We all have out separate paths on this planet. As long as those paths do not negatively affect another, all is good. What someone else eats is none of my business, as long as they don't take all the fruit from my trees.

Insects are very nutritious and their sheer numbers scream that they are to be eaten by something.

[dan i el]

Posted by DeBron (here)
On animal slaughter: I do not see the difference between it and vegetable slaughter. .

Cerebral cortex and Limbic system...

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Posted by 13th Warrior (here)

Posted by STATIC (here)

I respect and have compassion and understanding and humbleness for all the life forces that sustain my life

If everyone was on this level we would be in a much more balanced environment.

In regards to your question. All is from source, so you are correct in asking this question.
I think it comes down to our emotional connection to certain life forms.
I personally don't feel any guilt for pulling a plant out of the ground, but I may not feel the same about something that has eyes.
It's about how we identify with certain aspects of the life forms around us.
Plants are obviously sentient, but you don't consider them to be very similar to yourself.
I think this is the root of the pain that many people feel when they see animals being slaughtered.
Cultivate respect for all life. I will suggest that to everyone, but the decision to not eat animals is one that only you can make.

What about potatoes?

They have eyes.

lol , dam you MR potato head messed my whole comment up.

[Paladin14]

Posted by modwiz (here)
The consumption of fruits, nuts and leafy greens cropped but still free to continue growing are ways of obtaining high quality nutrition from the plant kingdom without any death to them. Just an observation and not a preaching. We all have out separate paths on this planet. As long as those paths do not negatively affect another, all is good. What someone else eats is none of my business, as long as they don't take all the fruit from my trees.

Insects are very nutritious and their sheer numbers scream that they are to be eaten by something.

this is the answer, thanks man! completely forgot about the next step after vegan- fruitarian. nothing is killed, just eating the reproductive organ of the plant, not the plant itself.

[RMorgan]

Hey Folks!

Thanks for this thread, my dear feathered friend!

Well, I´ve been a vegetarian (still eat organic milk and eggs) for 10 years now and I´m pretty happy with it.

I have spent a huge amount of time thinking about all possible philosophical, social and political questions regarding vegetarianism and I came to the conclusion that there isn´t absolutely any logical, coherent reason for people to eat meat.

For those willing to become vegetarians as well, check out a small list of very important characters who chose this diet. These folks were really way ahead of their time:

Pythagoras
580 – 500 BC
Greek mathematician and philosopher

Plato
428 – 347 BC
Greek philosopher

Plutarch
46 – 120 BC
Greek philosopher and biographer

St. Frances of Assisi
1182 – 1226
Italian founder of Franciscan order of friars

Leonardo da Vinci
1452 – 1519
Italian painter, architect and engineer
"One day the world will look upon research upon animals as it now looks upon research on human beings."

Martin Luther
1483 – 1546
German church reformer; founder of Protestantism

Sir Isaac Newton
1642 – 1727
English physicist and mathematician

Voltaire
1694 – 1778
French writer

John Wesley
1703 – 1791
English founder of Methodism

Benjamin Franklin
1706 – 1790
US scientist and diplomat; inventor of the lightning conductor

Ralph Waldo Emerson
1803 – 1882
US philosopher, essayist and poet

Hans Christian Andersen
1805 – 1875
Danish writer of fairy tales

Charlotte Bronte
1816 – 1855
English writer; author of Jane Eyre

Henry David Thoreau
1817 – 1862
US writer; back-to-nature exponent

Susan B. Anthony
1820 – 1906
US feminist and anti-slavery campaigner

Leo Tolstoy
1828 – 1910
Russian novelist; author of War and Peace
"A human can be healthy without killing animals for food. Therefore if he eats meat he participates in taking animal life merely for the sake of his appetite."

Vincent Van Gogh
1853 – 1890
Dutch Post-Impressionist painter

George Bernard Shaw
1856 - 1950
Irish dramatist, novelist and socialist
"It is nearly fifty years since I was assured by a conclave of doctors that if I did not eat meat I should die of starvation." (He lived a healthy life and died aged 94.)

Henry Ford
1863 – 1947
US car manufacturer

Mahatma Gandhi
1869 – 1948
Indian nationalist leader and advocate of non-violence

Albert Schweitzer
1875 – 1965
French theologian, missionary and Nobel Peace Prize winner

Albert Einstein
1879 – 1955
Swiss-German scientist; author of the theories of relativity
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."

H.G. Wells
1886 – 1946
English science fiction writer

Tony Benn
1925 -
British socialist politician

By the way, I have a question for the long term vegetarians around here. Do you take any vitamin supplements?

My latest blood testes have very good results, but I´ve been reading about the huge importance of supplementing Omega 3 (from linseed or linseed oil), specially for vegetarians. What do you think?

Also, do you take any B12 supplements?

Cheers,

Raf.

Ps: Your diet is a personal choice. You´re not better or worse than nobody, by eating meat or not. Respect everyone for their choices if you want people to respect you for yours.

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Do any of you suggest any particular resources websites, books, video's for someone starting out on this path.
Much appreciated.