David Wilcock "DIVINE INTERVENTION: Section I -- Defeating Financial Tyranny"

[Mozart]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
For me personally, I would add that regardless of human curiosity of the masses, I would sequester these psychopaths away from humanity for the duration of their lives. No prison interviews, no movie of the week - just locked away from any possibility of causing any more damage to anyone.

Be sure that you recognize that Drake quite probably showed a visceral knee-jerk reaction, not his higher self speaking. Also realize that his reaction wasn't scripted - and wouldn't be the reaction that the group represents.

Dennis

Dennis,

I like your well-thought-out posts.

I used to be dead-set against the death penalty, but now I've come around and I do see that there are cases where it's called for, such as in cases of dealing with hard-core psychopaths/sociopaths who are beyond redemption in their current lifetimes, other than to suffer a series of lifetimes in which they'd finally awaken.

I seriously doubt that a lifetime in prison would reform any of them. And I'm talking about hard-core sociopaths who once wielded wealth/power/influence with enthusiasm in the infliction of pain/suffering/death to many people.

To me, it's better all the way around -- on energetic, soul and other levels -- to remove them from our plane of reality by taking their lives and allowing them to move on and let the Universe work out the karmic balance, as it surely will in every single case. We can take their lives and still forgive them -- and ourselves for being so damn ignorant.

We the People don't need the reminders of what the sociopaths did by keeping them around in prisons. We do need to learn the lesson of the price of eternal vigilance -- hell, yea!

[EnergyGardener]

Posted by Mozart (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
For me personally, I would add that regardless of human curiosity of the masses, I would sequester these psychopaths away from humanity for the duration of their lives. No prison interviews, no movie of the week - just locked away from any possibility of causing any more damage to anyone.

Be sure that you recognize that Drake quite probably showed a visceral knee-jerk reaction, not his higher self speaking. Also realize that his reaction wasn't scripted - and wouldn't be the reaction that the group represents.

Dennis

Dennis,

I like your well-thought-out posts.

I used to be dead-set against the death penalty, but now I've come around and I do see that there are cases where it's called for, such as in cases of dealing with hard-core psychopaths/sociopaths who are beyond redemption in their current lifetimes, other than to suffer a series of lifetimes in which they'd finally awaken.

I seriously doubt that a lifetime in prison would reform any of them. And I'm talking about hard-core sociopaths who once wielded wealth/power/influence with enthusiasm in the infliction of pain/suffering/death to many people.

To me, it's better all the way around -- on energetic, soul and other levels -- to remove them from our plane of reality by taking their lives and allowing them to move on and let the Universe work out the karmic balance, as it surely will in every single case. We can take their lives and still forgive them -- and ourselves for being so damn ignorant.

We the People don't need the reminders of what the sociopaths did by keeping them around in prisons. We do need to learn the lesson of the price of eternal vigilance -- hell, yea!

My biggest concern with the death penalty, killing (with the exception of self-defense or as a result of resisting the police action in the clean up process) and torture, is the karmic penalty for doing so. I would hate to see currently good people being forced join those we are speaking of—to become banished from our wonderful opportunity—for overreacting out of hate and anger. I sincerely believe that education of that potentiality is part of our obligation. For we are intelligent enough to realize this in advance, we must do our part to prevent it from happening—to the extent we are able.

Remember many of these beings, Humans and Reptoids, have developed 4th dimensional powers—our 3-D facilities might not be able to hold them. And who would we want to assign the role of being around them? More important, as some here are writing, they should be completely out of our realm. I believe those that are destroying their underground facilities, tubes and facilities on Terra and beyond, will be happy to escort their souls to a location safely beyond higher realms.

This is an add-on edit after reading DID's post below: I defer to others on the reptoids, greys or insectoids, etc.; I have no expertise on them or clones. I do believe we must be very careful with humans; it would be mayhem for ourselves if we decreed every "perceived" Illuminati as fair game for death in the streets.

[Eram]

Posted by YvonneG (here)
I am glad you did this for the sakes of those who don't have a "reality" on the other people involved with this. I know who Teri on the freedomreigns show with DRake is. I also know she does not BS. Of course, the rest of you don't know who she is. If you listen to
some of the earlier calls you can get a feeling for who these people are and where they are coming from. However, having a confirmation
from the Hague will put a lot of this to rest. Of course, they have the receipt themselves, perhaps someone would like to ask Drake on the next show on Sunday?

thanks for doing that!

Well I thought to myself: 'If this Drake is so fed up with people who won't come of the couch, maybe I should take his advice to heart on this and do some research on my own.'
When I come to think of it. Maybe it would be a good idea to form a team of Avaloneans who make it their business to do truth-research on all the big items that are being discussed here in the forum. I think it would enhance the quality of this website big-time.So much story's here are being told without presenting the proper evidence to back it up, even when the evidence is there for grasps.

[DreamsInDigital]

I agree with Mozart, others.

There are such things in existence as humane deaths, where death is more karmicaly high than keeping them alive. Plus I think a lot of people aren't aware that a huge portion of these we're talking about if not nearly all of them aren't even human, they're organic robitoids or clones. With those it is in everyones best interest to destroy those, there is no need for compassion with them. They don't have souls or consciousnesses, so no karma attached there. As for the reptoids and grays, they regard us as food and are regressive, grays are nothing more than parasites (most of those are cybertoids) and regard us as a food source. There is absolutely no possibility of redemption with them what so ever. No amount of compassion, love, light, fluffy puppies, kittens and rainbows is going to change them and they are only acting within their nature.

So it's either death for them or if they get captured by the right set of ET/EDs they get shipped off to an galaxy that was previously uninhabited and surrounded by other uninhabited galaxies on a one way trip so they can't continue to rein havock in this galaxy. And can't continue to cause harm to other races on other planets. Terra/Earth isn't where it started and it certainly isn't where it will be finished either. There are still 20 plus other planets to have their infestations of regressive reptoids and parasitic grays removed from after this.

[Mozart]

Posted by EnergyGardener (here)
Remember many of these beings, Humans and Reptoids, have developed 4th dimensional powers—our 3-D facilities might not be able to hold them. And who would we want to assign the role of being around them? More important, as some here are writing, they should be completely out of our realm. I believe those that are destroying their underground facilities, tubes and facilities on Terra and beyond, will be happy to escort their souls to a location safely beyond higher realms.

Very well put, DID.

I'd love to have the option of the higher forces to remove those whom you mentioned out and away from our plane of reality. I'd prefer that to an action of killing them.

I know for a fact that 70% of those within the circles of the Illoonynaughties are dead-set against the dark agenda that are being perpetuated by those dark ones at the top who still stubbornly are resisting the changes that are being forced upon them.

So we definitely ought to forgive those 70% who want nothing to do with the dark agenda -- and those people would be VERY helpful in bringing out information that they'd surely know that would incriminate those at the top and educate the rest of us.

As for those dark bastards on top, they would have to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis ... oh, I gotta go now!

[EnergyGardener]

Posted by Mozart (here)

Posted by EnergyGardener (here)
Remember many of these beings, Humans and Reptoids, have developed 4th dimensional powers—our 3-D facilities might not be able to hold them. And who would we want to assign the role of being around them? More important, as some here are writing, they should be completely out of our realm. I believe those that are destroying their underground facilities, tubes and facilities on Terra and beyond, will be happy to escort their souls to a location safely beyond higher realms.

Very well put, DID.

I'd love to have the option of the higher forces to remove those whom you mentioned out and away from our plane of reality. I'd prefer that to an action of killing them.

I know for a fact that 70% of those within the circles of the Illoonynaughties are dead-set against the dark agenda that are being perpetuated by those dark ones at the top who still stubbornly are resisting the changes that are being forced upon them.

So we definitely ought to forgive those 70% who want nothing to do with the dark agenda -- and those people would be VERY helpful in bringing out information that they'd surely know that would incriminate those at the top and educate the rest of us.

As for those dark bastards on top, they would have to be dealt with on a case-by-case basis ... oh, I gotta go now!

Though, I am going to have a difficult time with any party that witnessed a human sacrifice and didn't report it and leave the organization—being at the top or bottom of the pyramid.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Mozart (here)
Dennis,

I like your well-thought-out posts.

I used to be dead-set against the death penalty, but now I've come around and I do see that there are cases where it's called for, such as in cases of dealing with hard-core psychopaths/sociopaths who are beyond redemption in their current lifetimes, other than to suffer a series of lifetimes in which they'd finally awaken.

I seriously doubt that a lifetime in prison would reform any of them. And I'm talking about hard-core sociopaths who once wielded wealth/power/influence with enthusiasm in the infliction of pain/suffering/death to many people.

To me, it's better all the way around -- on energetic, soul and other levels -- to remove them from our plane of reality by taking their lives and allowing them to move on and let the Universe work out the karmic balance, as it surely will in every single case. We can take their lives and still forgive them -- and ourselves for being so damn ignorant.

We the People don't need the reminders of what the sociopaths did by keeping them around in prisons. We do need to learn the lesson of the price of eternal vigilance -- hell, yea!

About 30+ years ago, I wrote a poem/song lyric called "Murder the Murderer", recognizing that to take up that sword (handle the guillotine, lever on gallows trap door, syringe full of poison, finger on the trigger) drops the individual performing the execution down into the realm of a murderer.

A number of years later, something triggered the realization that not only can psychopaths not be "repaired", but that the fact that they are still alive, even if incarcerated, causes deep anguish for victims' families. The family members may not be able to 'move on', they don't have closure. They may be traumatized or even terrorized every time someone mentions the word "parole", thinking the monster might someday get out. The macabre MSM (lately I've taken to calling them the "mind scream media") will glorify mass murderers, even if they pretend to be doing a serious piece of reporting, and the Hollywood movie machine rewards writers and directors who are guilty of depraved indifference. All in all, it was compelling enough to me that I changed my mind, ignored one of my prime directives, and started saying that indeed, they should be killed. Quietly, with no fanfare, and literally ground-up and used as fertilizer for ornamental trees. I reasoned that this rather disgusting, ignoble, "with a whimper" ending would more likely dissuade a copycat than some grand execution. And the family would have closure. And we could stop pretending we have the means to rehabilitate a psychopath. (As an aside, what if we could actually repair them? Who would want them released?)

Years went by.. (I'm 58, so I have a few decades under my belt now.) I grew in compassion. I recognized that not only could I have never "pulled the switch", I realized that is a terrible burden to place upon another human being - even if they are enthusiastic about doing it. OK, so we can't fix them, and even if we could, we would not want them to ever walk among us. Torture them with GMO pseudo-food, fluoridated water, electromagnetic radiation, psychotropic "medicine", waterboarding and other depraved and sadistic acts? What does that make us? Even a swift bullet to the head drops us to the role of executioner.

I may not be a Buddha (well, I'm definitely not a Buddha), but I recognize that if this situation were to present itself, it would be an opportunity: an opportunity for spiritual growth. Mine, not theirs. I suspect there is no reform when you're that depraved (and, according to one of Michael Newton's hypnotized subjects experiencing/remembering spirit life, some souls that are too far gone may even be disassembled and returned to Source.) But, I know I am not spiritually advanced enough to make the call as to when some soul is too far gone. It would be an opportunity to NOT perform an execution, to NOT lower my energy, to NOT be like them. (Remember, I'm not promoting any sort of chance of "we forgive you - go in peace" or "time served" or "plea bargain" or "presidential pardon" with the top tier of the Dark Cabal. I am proposing basic, humane, prison, for life, with no chance of parole. I would even say that extraordinary means of guaranteeing the impossibility of escape or a prison break by their loyal mercenaries should be maintained.)

I don't want them off-world, unless it is in an off-world prison. I'd say there is a very good chance we're all of "alien" ancestry, and that these monsters are not clones and do have souls. (I think they are as human and 3D as I am.) Are they of a level/dimension that they cannot be contained/imprisoned, and that they would possibly astral travel and hijack other bodies... well, if I knew that was true, I would modify my stance to get them out of our world/dimension, or "gorked-out" on psychotropic drugs that prevent them from astrally escaping. If we execute higher dimensional beings, perhaps they would laugh at us and simply reincarnate, twice as nasty and with full memory, and reincarnate as our grandchildren.

Remember too that these monsters have quite a bit of information that we would like to have. Corpses are silent; living prisoners might talk. Think of some of the really weaselly ones, like Donnie Nineeleven PNAC Rumsfeld, or Lucky Larry Silverstein - how long do you think they would hold their secrets? Not long, I'd guess. They need to be alive or there is no chance - and I'm convinced that a lot of the details are not going to be found in hidden memos, because a lot of what they have done to humanity was never written down.

I have probably already spent too much time on this slight tangent to the topic, but I personally don't want anyone killed on my behalf. If it all goes down, there will certainly be some ignorant, loyal mercenary forces that will die in combat, but that's not the same as deliberately executing the principle players.

Dennis

[Hervé]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

PLAY ON PEOPLE'S NEED TO BELIEVE TO CREATE A CULTLIKE FOLLOWING

by Robert Greene

Law 27 -- Play on People's Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following
Judgment: People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand causes, your new belief system will bring you untold power.

[...]

Full article here:

http://www.american-buddha.com/greene.cult.htm

The above adresses the intentional abuse of an innate need for humans to believe in something and which is definitely put to task by any known religion or cult.

However, there is the corollary of the inadvertent messiah and you get "The Life of Brian" of Monty Python's fame.

So, whether intentional of not, unless one STFU, a cult-like following will be generated... automatically. The latter being the operating basis for psyops, cointelpro and the manipulation of alt-media.

[christian]

In the long run the 'elites' have to be prevented from doing what they do. If we wait for the explicit consent of every human on earth to get this accomplished, we'll never get anything done about it. So I appreciate people taking action on that front, it's gotta be taken on somehow. Then what to do with the criminals? Ain't no prison big enough, I guess. Making them work? And if they refuse to move their limbs? My abstract idea would be to gather them in a confined area where they can live among themselves and see how they cope with life, I have no concrete idea how that could be arranged, though. Otherwise I agree with modwiz' flea analogy.

There are many good people inside the systems for various reasons, to make a living, because they are forced, because they want to sabotage it - many people who do not agree on the agenda. I feel those people have a special responsibility when it comes to the prosecution of the criminals inside the system. I found the Drake interview interesting, but the announced actions are yet to manifest. I think it's not necessarily a contradiction, that the arrests are announced, before they happen. Sometimes in a battle stealth is necessary, sometimes telling the enemy you're coming for him is part of the battle - like a war growl to intimidate the enemy and to encourage your soldiers.

Ideas about how details of a new paradigm are actually structured are evolving constantly, it's a dynamic process. I appreciate everyone participating in that, everyone who has a genuine interest for the highest and best good of all at heart.

[araucaria]

Posted by Mozart (here)

...

Anyway, corporate burnout has always happened in the corporate world, so people leaving corporations has always happened at the rate of about 2,000 resignations per quarter, per the EDGAR stats in the SEC, which requires corporations to file paperwork for every single resignation of CEOs and CFOs in corporations.

So, in lieu of an inserted graph, I'm going to have to make-do.

The average CEO/CFO resignations has been 2,000 per quarter for many years, ok?

Each "X" represents 400 resignations, ok?

1st Quarter 2011
XXXXX (2,000

2nd Quarter, 2011
XXXXX (2,000)

3rd Quarter, 2011
XXXXXXXXXX (4,000)

4th Quarter, 2011
XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXX (7,000)

1st Quarter, 2012
XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX (16,000)


So, this is a MASSIVE jump in the corporate resignations. Did corporate burnout suddenly jump FOUR-FOLD in just a few months?

...

Somebody in Pennsylvania took notes and sent off the paperwork to the Hague sometime in June, 2011. The entire paperwork process (for the majority of the Original Thirteen Colonies) was done by July/Aug, 2011. This was before the end of the third quarter of 2011 ... and notice that the rate of resignations DOUBLED in that quarter, so I think that the whole paperwork process probably was all done by no later than mid-July, 2011.

Then in the final quarter of 2011, the rate nearly DOUBLED again.

Then in the first quarter of 2012, the rate MORE THAN DOUBLED again.

So, in total, the rate has QUADRUPLED from the average, normal rate of 2,000 resignations per quarter to 16,000+ in the first quarter of 2012.

SOMETHING ELSE is going on other than corporate burnout.

...

This analysis carries much more weight when you correct a simple error. Resignations have not increased fourfold from the background level but eightfold (16000 instead of 2000).

It also carries more weight for actually being understated, when on the contrary most people would exaggerate. Thank you!

[Avocadess]

To those who say this is all some ruse of the bad guys twisting a knife into the alternative media, I strongly disagree. One BIG part of what Drake is doing is talking to the troops -- and any current as well as retired military. He is making it CLEAR to them what their duties are and what they are NOT. One example given in the interview with David Wilcock was that "I was just obeying orders" is NOT good enough -- and that all of the people who used that as a defense at the Nuremburg Trials after WW2 were CONVICTED. David asked him what about if your commanding officer is screaming at you to do something? And Drake made it clear, yes, even if your CO is screaming at you to do something.

There is another radio show Drake did SPECIFICALLY talking to t he troops -- and which hopefully many people are helping to get out to the troops. HOW IN THE WORLD COULD THIS BE GOOD NEWS TO THE DARK CABAL?!!! Not...!

I have not yet been able to locate the audio recording that he made specifically for the troops, but when I get that link I will let you know (unless you tell me first)!

No. What is happening here is NOT healthy for the dark cabal. I am amazed that people want to pick apart Drake's personality as if he were running for the U.S. Presidency. I never met a perfect person, but from all he has done and is doing, he's perfect enough for me, and I am very grateful to him and many others whose names we also do not know and whose voices we have never heard and will never hear for the hard work they have done to free us all...!!!

[Mozart]

Posted by araucaria (here)
This analysis carries much more weight when you correct a simple error. Resignations have not increased fourfold from the background level but eightfold (16000 instead of 2000).

It also carries more weight for actually being understated, when on the contrary most people would exaggerate. Thank you!

Araucaria ~

Wooopsie, Daisy!

I'm grateful for you pointing out my simple, dumb-assed error. <red faced> But I'm laughing it off because of your point that you made of exaggerations to the upside, rather than to the downside like I did.

Thank you. I'll correct it.

[derek]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by foreverfan (here)
Personally, I think Drake and David may have said too much. Why do we want to give these butt holes any warning? This makes me think Drake could be a plant, but then again maybe not since I can understand the need for discretion. Who knows.

I had a discussion with David Duke's former campaign manager today, and he confirmed that the plan to overthrow the government has been around for 30+ years. He didn't know ANY of the current stuff, but warned that it would take a huge degree of secrecy to be pulled off. Knowing what little he knows, he did think the Military was pissed off enough to do something and fully expected something to be done for a while now. I sent him the link to Drake/Wilcock's interview.

He did confirm that David Duke lives in Austria and isn't any part of any of this. LOL

Hi, All -- a quick note:

I have to say that I don't believe Drake's testimony. I strongly suspect that David Wilcock is being played to discredit him. If so, this would not be the first time (and certainly not with Ben Fulford, either).

The very idea of announcing 'arrests' beforehand is absurd... if this is all for real. Think of how stakeouts are usually orchestrated. The agencies don't warn the drug gangs prior to the carefully co-ordinated dawn raids.

***

I'm currently traveling, but frequently check the forum for new developments of interest. I also posted this sometime last year: as Mark Twain famously quipped, reports of my death have been somewhat exaggerated.



Warmest regards to everyone, as always -- Bill

In this case the drug gangs are already aware, and they are formally announcing to the people before hand so that people can have a paper trail and not freak out when it happens.

Also is that why 700 Ceo's from banks, pharmecueticals, media, oil etc have resigned or been arrested since January.

http://www.facebook.com/MassResignations/app_2374336051

What about BRICS announcing a new global currency http://www.citypress.co.za/Business/...rency-20120324

Or the U.S State Department putting the vatican on the "money laundering concern list"

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8E89AM20120308

Or the queen of englands bank being fined 8.75 million pounds

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8E89AM20120308

Or the SEC and the U.S Justice Department BOTH making investigations and criminal probes into major banks

Etc etc etc all since January.

That sounds like one big expensive psyops just to discredit one researcher.

[YvonneG]

Yes...very well put. I am Sicilian and I can imagine what I would do if I still had Godfather relatives doing great harm but couldn't do much or I would be in trouble myself. I know that Ben has said for a long time that many of these people are tired of this MAFIA/CABAL and he says he knows that first hand. This was around time he interviewed the old man Rockefeller to prove to people that if he could find Rockefeller any Ninja worth their salt could also.

I also see this time from an evolutionary perspective. If anyone remembers what Elisabet Santouris, Evolutionary Biologist who was on Thrive said you can see there is a whole other perspective that most of us do not consider in terms of evolution of our and on our Planet. I have a link somewhere to an interview with her which I will post if you guys like.. I honestly feel more and more excited as time goes on and NOT because I have swallowed the Kool-aid but because there are far too many pieces out there to believe nothing is going on. The movie THRIVE documents so much and went out for the whole uninformed population to see. I knew then the cat was out of the box!

And Mozart I so enjoy your clarity of mind, your genuine faith based on "facts", and your no BS way, yet compassion in expressing.

Everyone have a great Easter and don't miss Sunday's freedomreigns call at 6 est because DRake is going to covering a lot of stuff we heard on yesterday's call. On a personal aside, Wil Spencer who has found what is going on with the dying of our Bees, has developed a way to help them and much more. I am going to be helping him with his new Bee website/blog. The people at freedomreigns are quite a group.

On another note, I just spoke to a friend of mine who I thought might have been the one to do the paperwork for Florida...she didn't, but she knows who did. She was actually approached to do it but was too busy at the time. If all this isn't true, they have done well hella of job acting out ...they probably knew Yvonne would call her friend, and hurried up and told her friend to tell me this about the paperwork to ICS so I would be fooled!...Gosh, I am trying to making this funny or?

[YvonneG]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
To those who say this is all some ruse of the bad guys twisting a knife into the alternative media, I strongly disagree. One BIG part of what Drake is doing is talking to the troops -- and any current as well as retired military. He is making it CLEAR to them what their duties are and what they are NOT. One example given in the interview with David Wilcock was that "I was just obeying orders" is NOT good enough -- and that all of the people who used that as a defense at the Nuremburg Trials after WW2 were CONVICTED. David asked him what about if your commanding officer is screaming at you to do something? And Drake made it clear, yes, even if your CO is screaming at you to do something.

There is another radio show Drake did SPECIFICALLY talking to t he troops -- and which hopefully many people are helping to get out to the troops. HOW IN THE WORLD COULD THIS BE GOOD NEWS TO THE DARK CABAL?!!! Not...!

I have not yet been able to locate the audio recording that he made specifically for the troops, but when I get that link I will let you know (unless you tell me first)!

No. What is happening here is NOT healthy for the dark cabal. I am amazed that people want to pick apart Drake's personality as if he were running for the U.S. Presidency. I never met a perfect person, but from all he has done and is doing, he's perfect enough for me, and I am very grateful to him and many others whose names we also do not know and whose voices we have never heard and will never hear for the hard work they have done to free us all...!!!

If I am not mistake it is the 3/14/12 or the following week on freedomreigns.us on blogtalkradio. Search freedom reigns and on blogtalkradio adn there you can see all the shows. he does everything through there...
One of the two but they are both worth listen to.

[Carmody]

When psychopaths leave this place they experience their higher self, but with only the one lifetime's experience.

This can cause them to spiral into madness.

And they may not desire to return to their origins and re-integrate. They might, eventually, but they may not go back..immediately. They can hang around.

So....some folks who may or may not be incarnated, find themselves dealing with these bits of 'unfinished business'.

the idea of both god and lucifer require you to worship them. For a reason, ie, that connection exists and some might even say, so that they may exist.

Thus, we end up being confronted by a mess that we have to clear up, and we have to do it through not taking lives. Tit-for-tat, is only pushing the pendulum when it nears one......and serves only as a continuation of the issue not a stabilization and ending.

For those who practice evil (for lack of a better term), things become..... very very messy........ when they die.

you are apparently here, incarnating, to learn lessons.

In order for those lessons to be effective, your higher self would not be all that further advanced than you are right now. I hope that becomes obvious when you think about it for a bit. If you were much more advanced then there would be no point in incarnating.

It is more a case of the body not interfering(it simply is not there), so recall, thought (rumination), and actions are far, far clearer. Other than that, not all that much different.

Like a more perfected intellect, rather than a more advanced one.

thus if you return to the thought of it being an issue of a evil influenced soul not wanting to return to the source point and re-join with the given 'higher self', and have most of themselves erased as 'a bad job', then you might see why they may hang around and not want to return.

So, the good leaves and goes home, to be reborn again.

The evil remains, some of it, that is, and continues to cast influence,and interfere.

Evil (or negative function and negative energy) eventually builds to the point that it needs to be not eliminated...... but recognized -and sent packing.

[Avocadess]

Thank you, YvonneG! I could not find it on freedomreigns.us but Googling blogtalkradio with freedom reigns I found it handily! It was from Saturday, March 17th:

DRAKE SPEAKS TO THE TROOPS, ACTIVE AND RETIRED: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freedom...freedom-reigns

[Hervé]

Rolling the dice a little further...

Here is an historical background as to where most of these things and the strategies applied were first put together and where you'll find such things as:

In other words we are for freedom of choice for the individual. And that is why this area has become the crucial point for all of the attention of two galaxies. Because if that works here, it can work for everybody, even out on the edge or in any other galaxy that may have been interfered with or had some trouble or accident or some spiritual discomfort.

So the question that no one else can answer: If these guys came with all this technology and spaceships and everything... By the way that's Sector 17. We know there's an implanter base over there too. A lot of the holders turned out to be from there.

We know that all of this line of the implanters is directed towards stopping freedom. They don't care about owning this planet. There's many planets out there. They can own any of them. Their game is not to own planets. Their game is to control beings, and their game is over, if people can go free. You see what I'm saying. That's why they're hiding underground.

That is why they are getting the Americans to develop all these control methods. Why didn't they just come and say - Look, we're gonna blow you out of the sky, if you don't give us all your land and your government and your technology and your weapons and your gold. They don't want that!

They can't have a game unless you are consuming and producing something. They just wanna control you. You see what I mean? That's their game. That's why they're hiding underground using humans in experiments, giving their technology in exchange for teaching Americans how to control people better. And I might say the stupid Americans bought it, at least the MJ 12 Committee and the guys at the top.

And the people who want freedom like Cooper and the other people who talked here, they're losing everything. But they are correct. They have the right and they have the truth. But you see what it's doing to them. But as Cooper said in his lecture - If you don't handle this, we must solve it some way or it's all over. He's talking about America, a little tiny place on this planet. But he's saying the right thing and it applies to the whole game. All right.

So that is the importance. And we are "The Keepers" of the technology right now, because the old "Keepers" of it, the Church [of Scientology], were taken over by these guys in the early 1980'ies. All right. The Church [of Scientology] was infiltrated, read about it in Sector 9, taken over, they were taken over. And they are now practicing, with the technology, the trapping of individuals. Just ask anyone who has come out of it. All right.

Now it's very important that you understand the importance of this planet. You're the attention point of two galaxies so far. And it all has to do with freeing a spirit from the interferences he's had in the game and so he's never more the effect of the implanters. You see, if you can do that the game is over for them. All right, it's finished. It's over, it's finished for them. That is why they are exerting a lot of pressure and a lot of force and money and billions and billions and so on to get their control in before we can get the freedom in. OK. That is the galactic game.

Now that is the why of this planet, why it's so important. Nothing to do with oil or gold or anything like that. That's what the stupid Earth people think. It has to do with the freedom of the spirit. And you are in a very fortunate position, because you know all about it.

... and:

Now we know that the implanters, the Marcabians and the, shall we say good people that want freedom from both galaxies are all rushing, are all hurrying to get this landing done at the right time without having panic or war or anything like that, but to put in their own viewpoint and bring the people of this planet to some kind of understanding.

Now we know that the implanters will push their own line to try and mess it up a little. They will all try to say they are right. But the implanters will do it in a strange way: They will give you the problem and then sell you the solution. That problem may be biological or genetic illness and only they have the cure, so you'd better vote for them. That's the way they work. They give you the problem then they sell you the solution. They got you!

The Marcabians will say - Look how good you're doing under this new administrative system of the one Europe that goes all the way to Russia. Except every year it's a little harder to pay your taxes and live at the same time. Yeah. If you don't believe me, go check the tourist places in Europe. They're having trouble. They can't understand why things are going better in Europe. How come there's less tourists coming?

You can feel it under the surface. People do not have enough money each year. It is control coming slowly but surely on that administrative and economic line. The more government the more taxes. It's going to come, it's coming.

I know that everyone will see it in inflation or lessening buying power. But that is a minor problem, you still have your free will and you can vote. But if your governments start buying solutions from America to control people with drugs and genetics and "special treatments of the mind", you haven't got a chance. So that's the game.

Sound familiar?

The quotes above are excerpts taken from a lecture given by Bill Robertson in Germany in 1990: http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/e_cbrufo.htm

This is something Bill Ryan has been long aware of, even before "Alternative 3" and "Serpo."

[Alie]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Rolling the dice a little further...

Here is an historical background as to where most of these things and the strategies applied were first put together and where you'll find such things as:

In other words we are for freedom of choice for the individual. And that is why this area has become the crucial point for all of the attention of two galaxies. Because if that works here, it can work for everybody, even out on the edge or in any other galaxy that may have been interfered with or had some trouble or accident or some spiritual discomfort.

So the question that no one else can answer: If these guys came with all this technology and spaceships and everything... By the way that's Sector 17. We know there's an implanter base over there too. A lot of the holders turned out to be from there.

We know that all of this line of the implanters is directed towards stopping freedom. They don't care about owning this planet. There's many planets out there. They can own any of them. Their game is not to own planets. Their game is to control beings, and their game is over, if people can go free. You see what I'm saying. That's why they're hiding underground.

That is why they are getting the Americans to develop all these control methods. Why didn't they just come and say - Look, we're gonna blow you out of the sky, if you don't give us all your land and your government and your technology and your weapons and your gold. They don't want that!

They can't have a game unless you are consuming and producing something. They just wanna control you. You see what I mean? That's their game. That's why they're hiding underground using humans in experiments, giving their technology in exchange for teaching Americans how to control people better. And I might say the stupid Americans bought it, at least the MJ 12 Committee and the guys at the top.

And the people who want freedom like Cooper and the other people who talked here, they're losing everything. But they are correct. They have the right and they have the truth. But you see what it's doing to them. But as Cooper said in his lecture - If you don't handle this, we must solve it some way or it's all over. He's talking about America, a little tiny place on this planet. But he's saying the right thing and it applies to the whole game. All right.

So that is the importance. And we are "The Keepers" of the technology right now, because the old "Keepers" of it, the Church [of Scientology], were taken over by these guys in the early 1980'ies. All right. The Church [of Scientology] was infiltrated, read about it in Sector 9, taken over, they were taken over. And they are now practicing, with the technology, the trapping of individuals. Just ask anyone who has come out of it. All right.

Now it's very important that you understand the importance of this planet. You're the attention point of two galaxies so far. And it all has to do with freeing a spirit from the interferences he's had in the game and so he's never more the effect of the implanters. You see, if you can do that the game is over for them. All right, it's finished. It's over, it's finished for them. That is why they are exerting a lot of pressure and a lot of force and money and billions and billions and so on to get their control in before we can get the freedom in. OK. That is the galactic game.

Now that is the why of this planet, why it's so important. Nothing to do with oil or gold or anything like that. That's what the stupid Earth people think. It has to do with the freedom of the spirit. And you are in a very fortunate position, because you know all about it.

... and:

Now we know that the implanters, the Marcabians and the, shall we say good people that want freedom from both galaxies are all rushing, are all hurrying to get this landing done at the right time without having panic or war or anything like that, but to put in their own viewpoint and bring the people of this planet to some kind of understanding.

Now we know that the implanters will push their own line to try and mess it up a little. They will all try to say they are right. But the implanters will do it in a strange way: They will give you the problem and then sell you the solution. That problem may be biological or genetic illness and only they have the cure, so you'd better vote for them. That's the way they work. They give you the problem then they sell you the solution. They got you!

The Marcabians will say - Look how good you're doing under this new administrative system of the one Europe that goes all the way to Russia. Except every year it's a little harder to pay your taxes and live at the same time. Yeah. If you don't believe me, go check the tourist places in Europe. They're having trouble. They can't understand why things are going better in Europe. How come there's less tourists coming?

You can feel it under the surface. People do not have enough money each year. It is control coming slowly but surely on that administrative and economic line. The more government the more taxes. It's going to come, it's coming.

I know that everyone will see it in inflation or lessening buying power. But that is a minor problem, you still have your free will and you can vote. But if your governments start buying solutions from America to control people with drugs and genetics and "special treatments of the mind", you haven't got a chance. So that's the game.

Sound familiar?

The quotes above are excerpts taken from a lecture given by Bill Robertson in Germany in 1990: http://www.freezone.de/english/cbr/e_cbrufo.htm

This is something Bill Ryan has been long aware of, even before "Alternative 3" and "Serpo."

What is the context for these quotes, since I don't know the history?

[foreverfan]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TgQRgT15f9U