The Bible

[jcocks]

The world is such now that the only valid word of god resides deep within each and every one of us. By looking outside of yourself (some book, person, whatever - doesn't matter) you are only allowing yourself to be misled. The bible may still hold SOME of the truth, but it is not the WHOLE truth and it will NOT set you free. You can only attain freedom by looking WITHIN and listening to YOUR spirit. You will know the truth by how it feels within. NOTHING else will give you truth anymore. LISTEN TO YOUR SOUL!

[heyokah]

Posted by heyokah (here)
I think RedeZra is going for the longest thread on Avalon, teasing us, serious members, with his "Biblical Wonders" like a Jehovah's Witness keeping his foot in the door....
When nobody is giving any response, he starts preaching HIS believes again and again, posting on his own thread as if he has nothing else to do but keeping the thread alive, taking up space on the front page of the forum.

Is this TROLLING or just a matter of EGO ?



Just my morning reflection....

As a real heyokah I decided to bump this to the next page, as I don't want to be luring at the bottom....

Will I be punished now ..... ?

[Arturo]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bFj54ddX0g8

I thought that it was a little synchronistic that a friend show me this video right before i came to this thread.

[Rogerc]

Posted by travellor (here)
What I have pondered on many times is what time span does the bible cover. I believe the world was probably "created" in 6 periods days I don't think is right. As for a creator of all things I do think the Earth can create with out the help, maybe hindrance of and outside force. As for the book its self a very good guide but like all written words can be interpreted by the individual as they see fit.
If you wish to believe in a creator of all things then fair enough but the excuse we have free will, when asked why the creator does not do more for the suffering of his/her/its children is wearing a little thin.

I very much doubt that our concept of time has any meaning in terms of a creator,creative principal or God, (whatever you choose to call creation)
The Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius said, "Life is but Life's longing for Life itself" . There's a bit to think about...

[Rogerc]

Posted by jcocks (here)
The world is such now that the only valid word of god resides deep within each and every one of us. By looking outside of yourself (some book, person, whatever - doesn't matter) you are only allowing yourself to be misled. The bible may still hold SOME of the truth, but it is not the WHOLE truth and it will NOT set you free. You can only attain freedom by looking WITHIN and listening to YOUR spirit. You will know the truth by how it feels within. NOTHING else will give you truth anymore. LISTEN TO YOUR SOUL!

Thanks for that.

It seems that followers of the major religions and cults have one theme in common and that is their propensity to separate themselves from creation rather than realising that they are an integral part of it.

Once that concept is accepted everything changes. A freedom from control, a loss of the desire to search and a realisation that you are all a part of the whole. Don't blame it on a God - you are at least a part of one.

[deridan]

I like that the above is the summary of all the 'forces' that one encounters in the bible. I like that in one instance I encountered that the bible is referred to as the legislation document, meant for the masses, while the kabbalic part was seen as the research part.... to me it is true veneration.

I read somewhere, that the Gospel of John, was actually written by Lazarus. ..{in the end of John, there is reference to the disciple whom Jesus loved, and the only instance within the book where the 'one whom Jesus loved' is connoted directly, is with Lazarus}....of course that same book made the conjecture that Jesus was married to either Mary Magdalene , or to Mary of Bethany (or that these two names interchangeably refer to the same woman).

They also speak about Gospel editing. For instance, besides the Sadducees and Pharisees, the other two prominent groups which never get mention, are the Zealots and the Essenes
the blame then prominently put on the Jews for Jesus's crucifixion ... was deliberate editing on the part of the Church Fathers to make the gospels appeal to a Roman audience. I heard from this source that the Gospel of the Egyptians had a more neutral or real view, without doctoring towards a specific audience.
The first gospel to appear, that of Mark, has its ending doctored, and there is documentation that this was done. It was part of the fight between the Church Fathers who wanted a centralized religion under the authority of the church, this part of the fight between them and Gnosists (those who rather then emphasis 'belief or faith' emphasized direct 'experience')

I must say that whether Jesus survived his crucifixion or died then, does not make a difference to me.
in Billy Meiers presented gospel he does and goes to India. In the history which speaks of his marriage, he remains within the Mediterranean region and starts the hermetic tradition. His family goes separately to Southern France, and his bloodline eventually mixes with the Merovingians. Marcel Messing hints at this, and one has the domains of Rene d'Anjou, and the Church focusing a crusade on the region against the Cather 'so-called heresy'. Also the church kills the king Childeric (a bloodline descendant of J.), under whose auspices the roman church entered europe..., killing this king, and then apparently bestowing ever after the right to be a king to kings who followed rather then being encountered as a state equal attending coronations.

I've encountered Jesus in 3books I've read recently. Dalores Cannons 'They walked with Jesus' & 'Jesus and the Essenes'. The first book has two regressions,.. one a female teacher in the Temple, and another, the niece of Jesus, by an older son of his father Joseph. In the Essenes book, the regression is with an Essenian teacher of Jesus. From this book it hints that the Essenes are preservers of some knowledge and artifacts from the Atlantean period. ....These books tend towards the description of his Crucifixion as we know it.(except the semantic of 'dieing for us is outted, and it is more the act of an ascended master disintegrating his physical body, and letting his spirit soul essence take on embodiment to engage with followers').
..the Billy Meier gospel is stand-offish to the Essenes. _probably as antithesis to the notion that Jesus just rehashed Essenian teaching to the masses_, in the Billy Meier Gospel, he encounters the Essenes after his escape from cruxifixion (like noted in the Quran), and somewhere after having tricked Paul on the highway with fireworks.
In the 3rd ebook I read, CosmicVoyageByCourtneyBrown. Jesus is encountered in a remote viewing, and comes out with the personality as i would know him (Buddha is also encountered along with an ascended master from ol China).

The Nag Hammadi scrolls are an excellent encounter.... and i don't like the thought of most Christians not knowing these ....many of these books are more excellent then what one encounters in the Bible, and again one can find some texts under the direct authorship of Jesus, and one will concord with Marcel Messings opinion that this is a real excellent man.
(don't forget the Enoch books!)

check this too: http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html ......for the past lives of Jesus according to Edgar Cayce.
Knew I like the oft not quoted Job book in the bible, some say that this is under the authorship of Melchizedek. go figure

[deridan]

got a good interview from RedIce:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-120103.php

William Henry is an internationally renowned investigative mythologist. He is the author of sixteen books and numerous DVD programs and is a contributor to The History Channel's popular series, Ancient Aliens. In this interview, we begin talking about 2012. William clarifies the difference between the Aztec Sunstone and the Mayan Calendar. Then, we discuss themes from his new book, THE SECRET OF SION. This book represents the culmination of William's search in Gnostic literature and sacred art that maps the path, called the "Way of Light", which leads to the gate of heaven. He'll talk about a race of stargate time traveling ascended human beings dwelling at the center of our galaxy. William tells us about stargate technology and how our body opens the stargate. He says we are the technology. We also talk about Jesus as an avatar of a race of perfect light humans, the most ancient race of aliens. William mentions a stargate technology "kit" that includes a star crown, mysterious anointing oil and a robe called the beaming garment. We end the hour on the importance of achieving a state of true holiness, the current time of awakening and the goal of our quest to get out of here!

also in the RedIce 2012 Archive, one finds several interviews dealing with Jesus, and Jesus being Caesars creation. No doubt it made a useful state apparatus tool. Gotta like Caesar and his grand vision (i encountered a written text where it even extended as far as China). The blind will injure themselves no-matter what. no need to throw the baby out with the bath water too.

[gripreaper]

Also Micheal Tsarion uncovers the truth of the origins of monotheism and the bible.

'We discuss the chronology of tyranny, timelines, the rise of empires around the world and we look back into history to discover the roots of tyranny and dictators. We begin the first segment to talk about the origins, the psychology of Akhenaton, the dragon court, Akhenaton as Moses, the origins of Monotheism, Freud, Solar Cultism, Amenism & Atenism, Egypt, the Bible, biblical characters as Pharaohs of Egypt, Sol Invictus, Zoroastrianism, Mithraism and much more.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CV9zyOnNR5U

We begin the second segment to talk about the Exodus & the Hyksos. We then move on to discuss the Invasion of Atonism in Britain & Ireland. We talk about the Knights Templar and the Masons. We end the second segment to specifically look into the timelines, the dates of rise and fall of Empires, movements and invasions.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1mOe7UOPI7g

In our final and third "bonus" segment we dive deeper into the Druidic and Irish symbolism that are prominent throughout the world today. We look at some of the symbols of Politics, Science, Christianity, Royalty, America, Nazi Germany, the UN and much more.'

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=KSy8stQmbdQ

[emissary]

The Bible
This is an interesting exploration. There are endless debate on the subject .But one thing is for sure, its teachings has been valuable to the people many different ages. Perhaps the true hallmark of anything that speaks truths. Its works adapt to our level of consciousness and we get from it what or individual level of understanding can. Therefore let us elevate our consciousness so we may get more of what is available for greater understanding.

Different interpretations by different peoples allows its speak to many. Not to mention all the other areas it compels many of us to explore to find more about it and themselves. Let us not forget that although there is much to clarify, probe and disagree about, there are also many fundamental teachings we can agree on. These are the things we can chose to focus on before we get lost in the trivia. This often takes us from the whole reason why we began exploring in the first place. Of course we have to explore, but lets do it for the sake of understanding and not the preservation or reinforcement of already formed convictions. This way truth can be revealed. Let us see what the stories can teach us instead of what we think they are telling us.

[RedeZra]

better bump this ; )


how can we know what religion is true ?

most are just born into religions and ideologies and then inherit opinions from friends and idols

without actual knowledge of what is true or not


how can we know Jesus is real when we've never met Him ?

it's just that many have met Him


how many testimonies does it take for the doubts and denials to break

the Testimony of Nasir Siddiki

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0TC-TLFYNCQ

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=F70Ray8Mdn4

[loc]

I have not read the Bible directly, but have read about many topics that always seem to incorporate it somehow. It's been condensed and translated too many times for me to put stock in it. I agree with Meeradas. I don't believe it is needed to have a relationship with god. I also don't believe it is needed to get into heaven, ascension, or anything else having to do with spiritual growth. Everything needed comes from within. Just my humble opinion.

[RedeZra]

Posted by loc (here)
I don't believe it is needed to have a relationship with god. I also don't believe it is needed to get into heaven, ascension, or anything else having to do with spiritual growth. Everything needed comes from within. Just my humble opinion.

it is the Holy spirit that unites us in God


if we don't have the spirit of God living within us

then we are not of God


but living dead who will end up in hell

unless we repent and sin no more

[RedeZra]

when we don't know the difference of right and wrong

then sin can't be ascribed to us


when we know the the difference of right and wrong

and still we choose wrong

then sin is ascribed to us


it is no business of mine to point out sinners

for i don't know the understanding nor the intent of all the hearts

but God sees and knows everything

[RedeZra]

when so many have met Jesus

as told by the thousands of testimonies


then it is by opinion faith and prejudice

that we dare to doubt and deny Him


when we don't know

it is always best to be still


for if Jesus is real

as the testimonies tell

then so is heaven and hell


and when He is the King of heaven

where will the mockers go

[RedeZra]

according to the Bible

angels can appear here on earth looking like humans

even eating food and what not


but angels are not flesh and blood like us


so how do they do it ?

manifesting and vanishing at will


i don't know but i bet fallen angels can do just the same

[loc]

I believe at least a portion of Jesus sightings could be the result of negative extraterrestrial technology. I totally agree that Angels(extraterrstrials) can appear and reappear as they see fit. I also believe you can be aware of right and wrong(this truly being of ultimate importance) without the worship of Jesus, Muhammed, Krishna, Buddha, whoever. I think they would all say be good to each other without the need for idol worship. We are not here to worship, but to learn how to right our wrongs IMAO. I want to love every human being alive

[RedeZra]

Posted by loc (here)
I believe at least a portion of Jesus sightings could be the result of negative extraterrestrial technology. I totally agree that Angels(extraterrstrials) can appear and reappear as they see fit. I also believe you can be aware of right and wrong(this truly being of ultimate importance) without the worship of Jesus, Muhammed, Krishna, Buddha, whoever. I think they would all say be good to each other without the need for idol worship. We are not here to worship, but to learn how to right our wrongs IMAO. I want to love every human being alive

Padre Pio and also others have reported seeing Satan impersonate Jesus the Virgin Mary and whatever he wants


angels fallen or not are capable beings

and we ought not to underestimate their powers


would you love the one who created the universe and every human being in it ?

[loc]

would you love the one who created the universe and every human being in it ?

I'm trying to understand the creator and trying to love all. I'm not there yet, but I am trying. I believe the only way to end this cycle we are in is to love unconditionally. Even the evil turds that have manipulated mankind need to been forgiven and loved. Don't get me wrong, they to pay for their crimes they have committed. As the Law of One states, "forgiveness is the only way to stop the wheel of action known as karma."

[RedeZra]

So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. - Revelation 12:9



when every man is a liar
(Romans 3:4)

with a heart deceitful above all things
(Jeremiah 17:9)

and the whole world is deceived
(Revelation 12:9)


then we got a problem

which nobody knows how to fix


we got ten thousand theories

probably all wrong


from Sumer til today

nobody has a clue


we wouldn't figure out the truth if our lives depended on it



it all began to fall

when a created cherub wanted to be God

and seduced Eve to bite and be goddess


so why this talk about being gods and maybe even God

when this is why he fell and why we fall


God is gonna go medieval on the proud

and only the humble will inherit eternal life


so do the soul a favor and bow low to God

so the Holy spirit can come and raise us up



"For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. - Matthew 24:24

[RedeZra]

an interesting testimony from Ron Cohen

who as a boy could see and talk with astral beings and even astral project

speaking about his search for truth

which took him through spiritual seances to Sai Baba in India

and after receiving the spirit of shakti

back to New York as his own holy man with a following


one day a young man came up to him looking him in the eyes asking

do you have Jesus in your heart ?


and Ron used hand language since he was observing silence

for sure i have Jesus in my heart... and Rama and Krishna and Buddha is in my heart and you're in my heart too

then the young man asked if he was full of the Holy spirit

at that time Ron had so much shakti in his body that he could hold up his hand and let three foot rays of blue light come out from his fingertips

so he said for sure i have the Holy spirit

the young man pointed his finger at Ron and said you're lying... Jesus isn't in your heart and you don't have the Holy spirit... i can see it in your eyes

then the man turned around and walked away and 30 feet away he disappeared into thin air

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NCOC9hIVeGI