Sovereignty - An analysis of the Wilcock interview with Drake

[Unified Serenity]

Moderator Kris and I had a discussion about this important interview. I hope you all enjoy listening to it. Thanks again Kris for allowing our chat to be recorded and posted on Youtube. I think a lot of you all here are very insightful and have a lot to say, and I may be doing some more topic chats. Let me know if you want to discuss something whether you agree with me or not. As long as we share our views in a polite and professional way, I bet a lot of people might benefit from the forum chatter box:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0R6PMCM345E

[Jeffrey]

Great discussion, so thank you US and Kris. This Wilcock and Drake interview has given me the itch. This is, to me, a top priority issue so, all I have been doing is scratching (researching)--not much commenting. One thing I found interesting that y'all didn't discuss is this...

Consider for a moment the wit of these shadowy, coniving, elistist group of cabalist puppet masters pulling the wool over the eyes of America and the world for years with their coup. Now consider they put their greed and arrogance aside for a moment and concocted and exit strategy lest their blood-sucking be spoiled by the attitude of perseverence, justice, Truth and the like. Or consider that the exit strategy was to be used in case there be some disaster they wanted to escape (natural or man-made). How ingenious (I don't use that term in reverence in this particular case) would it be to be publicly "arrested" and sent off to some secure/safe location?

I mean, collectively, millions if not billions of dollars have been spent making enormous bunkers God knows where in case of emergency. You don't spend that kind of money for it's intended function without having a sure-fire way of getting there safely.

Will they be arrested for real? I hope so. Have they just gotten careless? Has the evidence and knowlegde that opposes them just reached critical mass, and it's now in a position to end their tyranny? I hope so. Were they prepared for this? I'm not being pessimistic here--I'm just trying not to be naive.

Don't panic because the borders will be shut down, the satillites will be taken off line, and stock up on food... ? Hmmm... I can understand the reasons Drake gave for this, but what if it's a ploy? A lie heavily salted with truth? Drake may be legitimate, but what of his contacts, and what about their contacts?

Okay, back to scratching.


Just playing devil's advocate here.

[Jeffrey]

Oh I almost forgot... US when you were commenting on people sitting in the lotus postition during a hurricane, and Kris made some comment about meditation not stopping bullets it reminded me of a story. My top two interests are government and spirituality so keep that in mind as I share this story from Sri Ramakrishna.

In a forest there lived a holy man who had many disciples. One day he taught them to see God in all beings and, knowing this, to bow low before them all. A disciple went to the forest to gather wood for the sacrificial fire. Suddenly he heard an outcry: 'Get out of the way! A mad elephant is coming!'

All but the disciple of the holy man took to their heels. He reasoned that the elephant was also God in another form. Then why should he run away from it? He stood still, bowed before the animal, and began to sing its praises. The mahut of the elephant was shouting: 'Run away! Run away!' But the disciple didn't move.

The animal seized him with its trunk, cast him to one side, and went on its way. Hurt and bruised, the disciple lay unconscious on the ground. Hearing what had happened, his teacher and his brother disciples came to him and carried him to the hermitage.

With the help of some medicine he soon regained consciousness. Someone asked him, 'You knew the elephant was coming – why didn't you leave the place?' 'But', he said, 'our teacher has told us that God Himself has taken all these forms, of animals as well as men. Therefore, thinking it was only the elephant God that was coming, I didn't run away.'

At this the teacher said: 'Yes, my child, it is true that the elephant God was coming; but the mahut God forbade you to stay there. Since all are manifestations of God, why didn't you trust the mahut's words? You should have heeded the words of the mahut God.'

So yes, God is in all things, but are all things in God? Sounds like a koan but it's real simple. God is in that "ass-hole next to you" but they might not recognize that fact. There is a battle raging in the universe and it really just comes down to two forces--positive and negative. This can be extrapolated to all conflict. Inaction is dangerously close, nearly synonomous in most cases, with indifference--an enemy of will. Do something, even if it's just getting off the couch and going out to talk to your neighbor, like Drake said. Be passionate about it, I've found that entusiasm counters lethargy quite effectively. I realize that I have just skipped a rock along a large body of philosphy with these rippling sentences, but I'm pretty sure we are on the same page.

[Unified Serenity]

Excellent points Vivek! I agree with what you are saying and thinking about. I guess we did not touch the aspect much in our discussion which you bring up regarding the thinking of the elites. I tried to go into this as the co-intel aspect. Maybe we need to have a chat about the world situation and what we are really doing. I strongly believe in intercessory meditation and prayer. I believe in miracles, and I believe in reality therapy. We are here to learn lessons and sometimes the lesson is painful.

Why is man so given to seek a leader, a king, or savior? I am not saying leading is wrong, but not in the forfeiting of our own natural leading of our lives, taking responsibility for the good and bad, and the greatest lesson of unconditional love. We have been taught to need someone to take care of us. To blame others when our lives take a bad turn. Instead, we must return to brotherly love, to expel the usurper and hater who would steal and try to control others. Once we learn to live together in peace and love, the actions will follow and needs will be met in love. My mind is on too many rabbit trails, but I truly appreciate the shared views. I think many are very concerned for our world and where we may be headed. We need to learn to communicate, share out similarities, and work together. It will probably take the intervention of God/dess to straighten our confused paths and provide us with a clear foundation of truth.

[sdv]

Wake up everyone! The smoking gun is the papers submitted to the Hague. There are two international courts based in the Hague. The function and jurisdiction of neither is to deal with a declaration of independence of a sovereign nation, other than if such declaration should become a dispute between two states (soveriegn nations). The ICJ has no power whatsoever to ratify and enforce, by international law, the declaration of independence by a state, other than if it becomes a diuspute between two sovereign nations, acknowledged as such by the international community via the United Nations.

Drake is hiding his identity for security reasons? Check out the writings and interviews and lectures and talks of Noam Chomsky. He does not hide behind a false identity and there is no threat to his life.

Drake does not deal with the real reasons underlying the problems in the US (that it is a rogue imperialist nation that is a threat to peace and security on this planet). United States citizens want to impeach Obama because of a so-called false birth certificate (wake up folks it is genuine). The rest of the world looks on with bemusement while United States citizens ignore the real issues.

Wake up. Wake up. Wake up.

Educate yourselves. Realise that the US is not the whole world. Research other liberation movements ...

[9eagle9]

Thus emphasizing why we seek god in assholes?

Not professional sorry sorry sorry!! US knows what I mean though.

Posted by Vivek (here)
Oh I almost forgot... US when you were commenting on people sitting in the lotus postition during a hurricane, and Kris made some comment about meditation not stopping bullets it reminded me of a story. My top two interests are government and spirituality so keep that in mind as I share this story from Sri Ramakrishna.

In a forest there lived a holy man who had many disciples. One day he taught them to see God in all beings and, knowing this, to bow low before them all. A disciple went to the forest to gather wood for the sacrificial fire. Suddenly he heard an outcry: 'Get out of the way! A mad elephant is coming!'

All but the disciple of the holy man took to their heels. He reasoned that the elephant was also God in another form. Then why should he run away from it? He stood still, bowed before the animal, and began to sing its praises. The mahut of the elephant was shouting: 'Run away! Run away!' But the disciple didn't move.

The animal seized him with its trunk, cast him to one side, and went on its way. Hurt and bruised, the disciple lay unconscious on the ground. Hearing what had happened, his teacher and his brother disciples came to him and carried him to the hermitage.

With the help of some medicine he soon regained consciousness. Someone asked him, 'You knew the elephant was coming – why didn't you leave the place?' 'But', he said, 'our teacher has told us that God Himself has taken all these forms, of animals as well as men. Therefore, thinking it was only the elephant God that was coming, I didn't run away.'

At this the teacher said: 'Yes, my child, it is true that the elephant God was coming; but the mahut God forbade you to stay there. Since all are manifestations of God, why didn't you trust the mahut's words? You should have heeded the words of the mahut God.'

So yes, God is in all things, but are all things in God? Sounds like a koan but it's real simple. God is in that "ass-hole next to you" but they might not recognize that fact. There is a battle raging in the universe and it really just comes down to two forces--positive and negative. This can be extrapolated to all conflict. Inaction is dangerously close, nearly synonomous in most cases, with indifference--an enemy of will. Do something, even if it's just getting off the couch and going out to talk to your neighbor, like Drake said. Be passionate about it, I've found that entusiasm counters lethargy quite effectively. I realize that I have just skipped a rock along a large body of philosphy with these rippling sentences, but I'm pretty sure we are on the same page.

[MargueriteBee]

I can't see the embed, link please?

[Unified Serenity]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=0R6PMCM345E

[Jeffrey]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Thus emphasizing why we seek god in assholes?

Not professional sorry sorry sorry!! US knows what I mean though.

Posted by Vivek (here)
Oh I almost forgot... US when you were commenting on people sitting in the lotus postition during a hurricane, and Kris made some comment about meditation not stopping bullets it reminded me of a story. My top two interests are government and spirituality so keep that in mind as I share this story from Sri Ramakrishna.

In a forest there lived a holy man who had many disciples. One day he taught them to see God in all beings and, knowing this, to bow low before them all. A disciple went to the forest to gather wood for the sacrificial fire. Suddenly he heard an outcry: 'Get out of the way! A mad elephant is coming!'

All but the disciple of the holy man took to their heels. He reasoned that the elephant was also God in another form. Then why should he run away from it? He stood still, bowed before the animal, and began to sing its praises. The mahut of the elephant was shouting: 'Run away! Run away!' But the disciple didn't move.

The animal seized him with its trunk, cast him to one side, and went on its way. Hurt and bruised, the disciple lay unconscious on the ground. Hearing what had happened, his teacher and his brother disciples came to him and carried him to the hermitage.

With the help of some medicine he soon regained consciousness. Someone asked him, 'You knew the elephant was coming – why didn't you leave the place?' 'But', he said, 'our teacher has told us that God Himself has taken all these forms, of animals as well as men. Therefore, thinking it was only the elephant God that was coming, I didn't run away.'

At this the teacher said: 'Yes, my child, it is true that the elephant God was coming; but the mahut God forbade you to stay there. Since all are manifestations of God, why didn't you trust the mahut's words? You should have heeded the words of the mahut God.'

So yes, God is in all things, but are all things in God? Sounds like a koan but it's real simple. God is in that "ass-hole next to you" but they might not recognize that fact. There is a battle raging in the universe and it really just comes down to two forces--positive and negative. This can be extrapolated to all conflict. Inaction is dangerously close, nearly synonomous in most cases, with indifference--an enemy of will. Do something, even if it's just getting off the couch and going out to talk to your neighbor, like Drake said. Be passionate about it, I've found that entusiasm counters lethargy quite effectively. I realize that I have just skipped a rock along a large body of philosphy with these rippling sentences, but I'm pretty sure we are on the same page.

The story was about discernment and not allowing a naive sense of enlightenment override common sense and sound judgement.. Finding a practical balance between spiritual/philosophical idealism and rationality.

[9eagle9]

I agree that DW has some great information on auto hypnosis that accounts for the means of programming us, how they brought us to our knees in the first place. Mostly with our agreement to our own stories.

DW makes it clear he doesn't have his own sovereignty, I mean the whole bawling on the radio, demonstrated that if one didn't see it before. Its clear he buys his own story (Edgar Cacye, the "Chosen One, " ). This is all I need to know . A person who lacks their own self authority has no means of using any sort of discernement in identifying it in others. He's no authority over himself, let along others.

Nuff said there, I'm sure people have heard me say it before and doesn't bear repeating here. It just is what it is.

But the interview Kris and Christina is excellent, ****ing awesome. Not only in content but execution. My hats off to you.

No bawling here (smile)

[Jeffrey]

Posted by sdv (here)
Wake up everyone! The smoking gun is the papers submitted to the Hague. There are two international courts based in the Hague. The function and jurisdiction of neither is to deal with a declaration of independence of a sovereign nation, other than if such declaration should become a dispute between two states (soveriegn nations). The ICJ has no power whatsoever to ratify and enforce, by international law, the declaration of independence by a state, other than if it becomes a diuspute between two sovereign nations, acknowledged as such by the international community via the United Nations.

Wouldn't the dispute be between the Sovereign people of the Republic that is America (originally operating under The Constitution for the United States of America) and the clever usurpers also known as the Corporate United States of America (operating under The Constitution of the United States of America, inacted by the 41st congress).

1. Sovereign Peoples that make up the Sovereign nation that is America.

Versus

2. The "sovereign government" (based in D.C.) that overlays the true Republic that is America.

Posted by sdv (here)
Drake is hiding his identity for security reasons? Check out the writings and interviews and lectures and talks of Noam Chomsky. He does not hide behind a false identity and there is no threat to his life.

Well, let me ask you this: when did Noam Choamsky openly tout himself as a key figure in an underground movement of patriots acting to arrest major politcal and financial criminals in an effort to take back the Peoples sovereignty?

Posted by sdv (here)
Drake does not deal with the real reasons underlying the problems in the US (that it is a rogue imperialist nation that is a threat to peace and security on this planet). United States citizens want to impeach Obama because of a so-called false birth certificate (wake up folks it is genuine). The rest of the world looks on with bemusement while United States citizens ignore the real issues.

The real issues are just leafs on a tree that is the United States Corportation whose seed was planted in 1871. The information Drake is dealing with is the ROOT of that problem. The imperialist agenda (i.e. PNAC) is not the will of the People. Liberty is the will of the people. Propoganda, MSN, and the psycho/sociopathic greed that is at the apex of central banking has perverted that "liberty" and effectively dumbed down the masses.

Posted by sdv (here)
Wake up. Wake up. Wake up.

Educate yourselves. Realise that the US is not the whole world. Research other liberation movements ...

I agree with you there and that's exactly the motto of this forum (what I bolded).

[Jeffrey]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I agree that DW has some great information on auto hypnosis that accounts for the means of programming us, how they brought us to our knees in the first place. Mostly with our agreement to our own stories.

DW makes it clear he doesn't have his own sovereignty, I mean the whole bawling on the radio, demonstrated that if one didn't see it before. Its clear he buys his own story (Edgar Cacye, the "Chosen One, " ). This is all I need to know . A person who lacks their own self authority has no means of using any sort of discernement in identifying it in others. He's no authority over himself, let along others.

Nuff said there, I'm sure people have heard me say it before and doesn't bear repeating here. It just is what it is.

But the interview Kris and Christina is excellent, ****ing awesome. Not only in content but execution. My hats off to you.

No bawling here (smile)

That's the exact caviat to the Sovereignty the people have in a Republic--not imposing on anothers Sovereignty, as long as they aren't harming anybody or damaging another's property. That's the core of it. I'm sure there's a whole can of worms we can throw quips at about Sovereignty as it relates to the Self, emotions, psychology, philosophy, and the grand scheme of the universe. But with the Constitution in mind, and keeping the theme of this thread in mind, Sovereignty has it's definition laid out with respects to the People and the government.

[sdv]

Vicek, there is no dispute for the ICJ to deal with since Pennsylvania and the the other colonies (and I in no way dispute their right to proclaim themsleves sovereign nations at all) have not publically declared this in the appropriate international forum (the UN General Assembly), or indeed to the USA government itself. The ICJ only has the jurisdiction and competency to deal with the matter if (and it surely will be disputed by the USA government) and once it becomes a matter of dispute between the USA government and Pennsylvania and other States, and once these States have been acknowledged by the UN.

I am probably an annoying mosquito for everyone on this forum, but I do have an understanding of these matters. Wake up and educate yourselves and see that Drake is not the miracle rescue (the easy option) but a hoax. But don't throw out the baby with the bath water. If independent sovereignty is what you want, then embark on that path. Take your declaration to the UN general assembly, piublish it in newspapers and on the airwaves and on TV networks, and (most important of all) send notice to the US government, and then dig in and take the risk to fight for yourfreedom.

Noam Chomskyis not in the underground movement, but h eis a radical nonetheless. I gave him as an example of how soemone can openly be radical and not be threatened. One of the many observations he makes is that the US is full of fear, yet does not acknowledge it's key role in making the entire world a dangerous and unsafe place.

Great liberators, such as Lenin, Mandela, King, Castro and so on never hid behind a secret name.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by sdv (here)
Great liberators, such as Lenin, Mandela, King, Castro and so on never hid behind a secret name.

I agree with the people taking a stand, but are you saying that Lenin and Castro are good guys? I mean let's just kill 20 million people who disagree with us and call ourselves a "liberator"? Liberation for whom is my question. Animal farm shows us all to clearly what happens when man tries this "We are all equal, but some are more equal than others" routine.

[9eagle9]

Those who are in power take in to account our inability to know equality. Our own equality. Being the masters of psychology they know how to level those who are instilled with a sense of inferiority. If one is not aware of who they truly are and prefer to be someone else and I don't care if its just plain Jane with an inferiority complex or David Wilcox who has assumed an identity other than his own, they will leverage that for all its worth.

If we find sovreignty in ourselves which is self governance it will eventually reflect in the material form of governance. I might not be a star seeded, studded alien but I do know who I am as boring as that all may be.

Politics and government were really intended as means of organizing people. Now its become a means of controling those without self governance. I have to ask myself sometimes when I see so much utter stupidity in the world, someone may have very well decided it was necessary to check this stupidity out of good intentions (also the road to hell) and it just got out of hand and became less about organization and more about control.

I know that I have to run damage control on the ignorance in my life , take authority over it, trump it before it affects me. Self governance.

The irksome part of it is people who know how to self govern and manage themselves have little interest in managing others, so thats how the controlling element creeps in there. People who want control because they have little sense of their own identity because of the influence of others.

Can we create sociopaths. Oh yes we can. I see mothers who coddle their children until they are little tyrants, and think "hmm...sociopath in the making". Who did it? Mummy's influence.

[PathWalker]

Let me put it this way.
It is not possible to beat one drama with another drama.

The awakening process here is on individual awakening and sovereign empowerment.
I am waiting, hopeful every day for the new energy open source project that will be the economical disruptive event that will open the disclosure gates.

Not another new system to beat the old system, please we got that for the last 3000 year. We know how power games goes.

In addition the legal system is built by the powerful to serve the powerful, you can't beat them there.
We can beat them (and we do) with the alternative media, and grass root technology to distinguish the power grip.

And so be it.
Love
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[aranuk]

According to Drunvalo Melchizedek and many other "wise" people have said, this planet is in the throws of a great castatrophic series of events. These events will mean millions of people will die and the rest of mankind will survive with increased consciousness. Maybe that is going to happen and maybe not. Same goes what Drake was saying too. If it happens quite soon, come what may, I hope everything works out fine for most of us and these bastards that have run the world and cheated and caused mass genocide get their come uppances for sure.
Why bother about whether Drake is a co-intel agent or a traitor. If it happens the way he said it is planned then we will know who and what he is and what his real name is.
If it turns out he is working for the cabal and cohorts and the military take over I'm sure the American people will at least not have the wool pulled over their eyes and will know they are being fckedu. At least 100% of the population will not be brainwashed anymore, at least that's a better position than the status quo.
One thing or the other it will be fine and dandy.
I hope.

Stan

[Avocadess]

I disagree with the person who says because Wilcock was crying after he got the death threat means he has no real courage or sovereignty over himself. I know that in my own experience all the times I was the MOST brave I had to first go through a "tunnel of fear" on the way to my firm stance. A person is not only as strong as his or her weakest link; s/he is as strong as her/his strongest link as well...!

The worst that could happen that I can see if these mass arrests were to prove nonexistent or non-successful is that the awareness of the attempt will wake up a LOT more people and cause them to do some soul-searching of their own, including our troops.

We DO need to stand up for ourselves. If not me, then who?

[9eagle9]

David Wilcocks didn't understand that someone was yanking his chain?

If David followed his own advice instead of his story line he'd have realized that.

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I disagree with the person who says because Wilcock was crying after he got the death threat means he has no real courage or sovereignty over himself. I know that in my own experience all the times I was the MOST brave I had to first go through a "tunnel of fear" on the way to my firm stance. A person is not only as strong as his or her weakest link; s/he is as strong as her/his strongest link as well...!

The worst that could happen that I can see if these mass arrests were to prove nonexistent or non-successful is that the awareness of the attempt will wake up a LOT more people and cause them to do some soul-searching of their own, including our troops.

We DO need to stand up for ourselves. If not me, then who?

[YvonneG]

I wonder if people that want to nay-say David and possibly Drake have taken the time to listen to all the radio shows with Drake, where any AND all questions are answered. And there are other Patriot groups in particular who is working doing something. I know who they are personally, and I can tell you that this is not the same as what Drake is speaking about. ALL OF THIS is explained in great detail on the freedom reigns show.

No one is yanking DW's chain...His research that he spends sometimes 24/7 putting together is something I will trust before anyone's opinion. I personally know of some of the people that are with Drake on freedomreigns show, I know the history and very personal details of several of them. Anyone who doesn't understand what they are talking about, could learn as it is all out in the open. I am hoping that Mozart does comment on this thread.

And I apologize if it seems like I am putting anyone down. It is not my intention, nor is it my attention to defend DW as he doesn't need it. But I see how things get turned around or we add our own stories and opinions. If people only know of those who call themselves Patriots by what the media has shown us, then they don't understand. I have never been a patriot like that, but I have cousin who along with his daughter freed 100's right here in tampa. He was falsely sent to prison for using the "constitution" to defend people...him and his daugther. She died in prision because they did not give her the medication she needed after surgery. Her own Mother talked to her hours before she died, when the daugther told her they had not given her the medication. so this story is not a story, but a fact.

So when folks like Mozart who have been part of the patriot movement and seen the horrors, most of which are just stories to the rest of us, we might consider educating ourselves a little before responding. But then this is a free country and we call can say what we wish. So that is what I am now doing.

And DW crying showed me two things, David is a real man who is not afraid to show his feelings. The other, well, if it wasn't true why the heck would he cry in front of all the listeners?

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
David Wilcocks didn't understand that someone was yanking his chain?

If David followed his own advice instead of his story line he'd have realized that.

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I disagree with the person who says because Wilcock was crying after he got the death threat means he has no real courage or sovereignty over himself. I know that in my own experience all the times I was the MOST brave I had to first go through a "tunnel of fear" on the way to my firm stance. A person is not only as strong as his or her weakest link; s/he is as strong as her/his strongest link as well...!

The worst that could happen that I can see if these mass arrests were to prove nonexistent or non-successful is that the awareness of the attempt will wake up a LOT more people and cause them to do some soul-searching of their own, including our troops.

We DO need to stand up for ourselves. If not me, then who?