Debt Crisis Plotted to Deliver the Euro to the IMF?

[ThePythonicCow]

Daily Bell post on Friday, April 13, 2012 at Debt Crisis Plotted to Deliver the Euro to the IMF?:

Spanish bailout 'impossible' for eurozone, says prime minister Mariano Rajoy ... The eurozone is not equipped to bail out Spain, the country's prime minister Mariano Rajoy has admitted, as global traders continued to punish the nation's stocks and bonds. Mr Rajoy said it was "not possible to rescue Spain" but insisted his country did not need a Greek-style international bail-out anyway ...Christine Lagarde, the boss of the International Monetary Fund (IMF), also warned that Europe's rescue mechanisms were not enough to restore confidence to global markets but said the IMF could provide a "global firewall". Speaking in Washington on Thursday, Ms Lagarde, who is seeking to raise $500bn (£313.4bn) in extra funds for the IMF from the G20, warned risks to the global economy "remain high; the situation fragile". "We need a broader approach – and a stronger global firewall – if we are to push back this crisis. The IMF can help. But to be as effective as possible, we need to increase our resources." – UK Telegraph

Dominant Social Theme: What is needed is a global currency.

Free-Market Analysis: We've long since come to the conclusion that the EU's sovereign crisis is a manufactured one. This article supports such a conclusion, in our view.

One has to keep in mind the artificiality of the current economic construct. The economy of the world is run via monopoly fiat/paper money printed by central banks. It is this system that has crashed half of the world's economy and is well on the way to delivering China into the same situation.

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I continue to suspect that the most likely outcome of the current economic problems is a deeper world wide depression, that will be used to motivate the introduction of a new world wide monetary arrangement, with various regional or national currencies exchanged in international trade and foreign exchange for a new world-wide reserve monetary construct, similar to Keynes bancor - as described in the above article.

[Hervé]

In good ol'Jordan's words:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eRxHrzq7Yqs

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
In good ol'Jordan's words:

I suspect you see something I'm missing here -- could you explain a bit the relation between

1. the two legal systems Jordan describes (civil and UCC), and
2. the effort to replace the US Dollar with an international construct such as the "bancor", that the above Daily Bell post considers (from the viewpoint of the Euro problems) ?

Thanks.

[Hervé]

"Uniform COMMERCIAL Code"...

That's the Maritime/Admiralty law of corporate entities... it's been there all along and it's "uniform," i.e. no exceptions.

So... anything else is smoke & mirror manipulations to affect people's emotions to agree to something that's de facto already in place...

Does that make sense or am I still using my usual short-cuts?

[Hervé]

In any case, what is it really all about in a grander scheme of things... this "one world currency" and the UCC/Admiralty/Maritime/Navy/ships type of law?

Well, jumping out of one box, it means it is applicable to, and more accurately derived from, interplanetary/galactic "commerce." See?

Why?

Because of this:

The Free Zone Decree
The FREE ZONE DECREE was received on Earth on the 10th of November 1982 at 1030 GMT. It states, (as relayed from Mainship, Sector 9):



Official Decree - Galactic Grand Council

1. The planet known as Teegeeack - local dialect "Earth" or Terra - Sun 12, Sector 9, is hereby declared a Free Zone.
2. No political interference in its affairs from any other part of the Sector or Galaxy will be tolerated.
3. No economic interference in its affairs will be tolerated from any non-planetary agency or power.
4. All of its inhabitants are hereby declared Free Zone Citizens and free of external political or economic interference.
5. The regulating agency of this decree is the Galactic Patrol Sector 9, Sector Commander Elron Elray and his designated representatives.
6. The planet is henceforth under the Sole Auspices of the Galactic Patrol, Sector 9, for coordination with Galactic and Sector Affairs and for compliance with this decree.
7. The Technical and Ethical experiments in progress on Teegeeack are not affected by this decree and are to continue under the auspices of the Galactic Patrol, Sector 9.
8. This Decree is issued by unanimous vote of the Grand Council.

GRAND COUNCIL CHAIRMAN
FOR ALL MEMBERS
SECTOR 0 GALAXY 1

The decree made all the inhabitants of Earth (including the 200,000 illegally immigrated Markabians) Free Zone Citizens, free of any political and economic interference. Thus the Markabian off-planet control and communication lines were cut, and are presently under constant surveillance by the Galactic Patrol to prevent violations of the decree.

Most importantly, with the Free Zone Decree came the opportunity for the inhabitants of Earth to decide their own destiny. The definition of a Free Zone Planet is: "One that may choose its own political or economic affiliation or choose to remain independent and represented thusly in the Grand Council. Such choices to be made in suitable referendum of its populations after representative chosen leaders of the various subgroups of its populations have engaged in free testimony and discussion of the merits and shortcomings of each proposed course of action. The planet shall remain Free Zone until such referendum is correctly and ethically held. A free Zone Planet is under the auspices of the Galactic Patrol Authority of the Sector in which it is situated, their authority limited to their purpose and the definition herein stated."

Markabian Model for your Future
Investigations of models and scenarios for the years 1984 to 1991 has revealed what the Markabians have in store for the "humans" of Planet Earth.

The current master MODEL and its various SCENARIOS is to run from 1984 to 1991 at which time it is expected that Earth will overwhelmingly vote to become affiliated politically and economically with the Markab Confederation, that is, become Planet 8 of their controlled, conforming, police-state civilization.

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A crash of the dollar is planned with gold rising to 700 US or more.

A big "conventional weapons" war is planned for the Middle East in 1985. The "war" will get the Revelationists and other religions into an uproar about the "end of the world" as foretold in Revelations, the Bible Book. To further scare everyone, there will also be threats of the use of Atomic, Biological, and Chemical weapons - though none will be used (except maybe secretly or accidentally as they are being used today).

At this time the whole world will be in fear and confusion and looking for a "stable datum". Markabian political leaders will press for more "controls and emergency measures". Freedoms still existing will be abrogated. The Markabian World Bankers will fluctuate currencies wildly. The media will cry "doom" but advise everyone to "be calm". The One-World Police State will arrive and even be welcomed by those who have learned to desire control and conformity. Yet there will still be war and unrest and fear.

Then the "stable datum" will appear - as a communication from an extra-terrestrial civilization (Markab) offering friendship, peace, new technology, trade, and economic and political alignment. This message will be scientifically obtained - maybe through a radio or biological telescope receiver.

The message will be given to the President of the European Parliament who will thereafter "act" as the official communication relay point between Markab and Earth. The previously prepared national opinion leaders will say "Momentous occasion, etc. Listen to him. He is wise, etc.".
He will propose an end to the war to consider this great chance for Man, and the World Bankers who financed it will withdraw their offers to lend money and sell arms. The war will stop.

A press and media campaign will begin for "everyone" to support the alignment to Markab. Anyone saying "Lets stay independent" will be sharply criticized, and all the wars, troubles, etc. (Scenarios) that have just happened on Earth will be brought up to show that Earth can't make it on its own.

Religious leaders, especially those in taken-over Churches, will enthusiastically support joining Markab to prevent the Apocalypse.

Discussions will be held. A world vote will be taken (as if it’s the idea of the President of the European Parliament instead of a Grand Council Decree). And if the referendum passes to join Markab, Earth loses its freedom and its chance for an exciting, expanding future.

The "authoritarian false datum" is another Markabian mind-control trick used to hide or cover their real intentions and actions. Thus people are made to believe that they are "bodies" who only live one lifetime, while the Markabians plan their actions over several lifetimes and have secret procedures for switching from one body to the next, chosen for its position and influence.

An important "authoritarian false datum" to anyone on an economic level is the propaganda put out by Markabians that "Gold is just another commodity like wheat, beans or pigs", while they have been amassing huge stocks of it in their banks. Markabians know that gold is a valued currency in Galactic trade and exchange, and when Earth is again free to communicate and trade with its neighbors, the Markabians will have nearly all the wealth.

Replace Markabians with Anunnakis/Lizzies and their gold requirements from times immemorial and one may start to have some inklings of what David Wilcock is talking about regarding the actual amount of available gold...

For whatever reasons, "they" are way beyond schedule and the numerous predictions of "end of times catastrophes" have fallen flat numerous times...

From there, the enormous interest in one "Drake" utterings to go back to "the Law of the Land"... that "Land" being Earth.

[sandy]

Amzer, do you believe this to be true "Markabians" ??

[Hervé]

Posted by sandy (here)
Amzer, do you believe this to be true "Markabians" ??

Whatever their real name, they are still the same breed of cats (... errr reptoids or whatever, sorry cats) described as anunnaki/reptilians/brotherhood of the snake, white brotherhood or the guys Alex Collier refer to for their implementation of the "Orion Model."

It's a name given by one group to another group to describe their specific characteristics and behaviors... psychopaths we call them down here.

The Markabian Gambit
About 250 years ago, the off-planet Markabians got into the act in a big way (there had been earlier attempts by them) by authorizing secretly (without Grand Council approval) a take-over project to get control of Earth and when it became acceptable in the Galactic Community, to have it annex itself to the Markabian system as the 8th major planet. Their clandestine agent, the infamous Xenu (see Sector Ethics Order 1A for details), took the body of Adam Weishaupt, the founder of the "Illuminati", a super-secret society which went about taking over other power groups by infiltration and economic coercion. The first big advance that was made was Xenu's take-over of a body in the Rothschild banking family so that after the War of 1812, the Illuminati became very wealthy and could in fact control many economic lines.

A succession of taking key power-point bodies into the 20th Century and expanding secret-society influence has resulted in the control of the groups listed in Sector Operations Bulletin No 18.

In the last 50 years, 200,000 Markabian "junior executives" have been clandestinely immigrated to Earth (again without Grand Council approval) to assist Xenu and his conspirators in the planetary take-over. They have taken over bodies of the key "insiders" of high-finance, banking, politics, industry, and the "secret societies" previously mentioned. Markabians are recognizable by their spiritual "blackness" and their "black-beam" flows. Also a lust for status and control and for enforcing "conformity" on others are typical Markabian characteristics.


Markabians try to control or suppress the development of ideas which are necessary to fuel a civilization. By also tightly controlling and suppressing economics, energy sources, and food production and distribution they regulate (or attempt to) the survival of business, industry and human beings.


Markabians are very good record-keepers and use the control mechanisms of identity cards, secret files, computer files, and paperwork to keep full track of their subject people. Their "ideal" government is somewhere between the Russian "overt" police-state and the Swedish "covert" police-state. (If you don't conform, it suddenly gets very overt.)


Markabians don't think like Earth-people or Galactic missionaires. They have no concept of loyalty, honesty or justice, and will in fact fight viciously among themselves (out of sight of the public of course) for control and status.

Excellent examples of their attitudes and methods are given in Operations Bulletin No 12 "Models and Scenarios", which are used to take over groups who pose a threat to them.

Another typical Markabian tactic is the control of both sides and the middle and then having their controlled media constantly assert that these are the only alternatives, thus gradually corralling all free-thought and political persuasions. See the list of taken-over and created groups in Sector Operations Bulletin No 18, which embrace "left" and "right" wing and "center" political groups.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Replace Markabians with Anunnakis/Lizzies and their gold requirements from times immemorial and one may start to have some inklings of what David Wilcock is talking about regarding the actual amount of available gold...

For whatever reasons, "they" are way beyond schedule and the numerous predictions of "end of times catastrophes" have fallen flat numerous times...

From there, the enormous interest in one "Drake" utterings to go back to "the Law of the Land"... that "Land" being Earth.

I'm still being dense here, Amzer Zo.

Looks like rather than relate your UCC comments to the matters of the original post (such as currencies, Triffin's dilemma, the European debt crisis, and the IMF), instead you have introduced a wider view explaining why you think the UCC is a specific example of something larger, involving the Markabians, a Free Zone Decree and some other details that I have never heard of before, having missed until now the one other time you posted similar material, about a week ago, here, on a David Wilcock thread.

I feel like I was discussing throwing a baseball, and you respond with a fragment of a discussion about Newtonian Mechanics. When I ask what that has to do with baseball throwing, you explain that Newtonian Mechanics is a special case of General Relativity, and introduce some fragment of a text on that (without much of a reference and for a theory, unlike Relativity, that has never been considered on this forum before, except for one similar seemingly off topic post a week ago.)

Huh?

[ThePythonicCow]

I am thinking it might be better if I moved your posts to a separate thread - seems like you're introducing a new subject, with much detail, distinct from what was (once, briefly) the topic of this thread.

[Hervé]

Sorry, Paul... shortcuts again... jumping to conclusions from the conclusion in the article you linked to:

Conclusion: The IMF is presented as the "firewall" that can contain the European conflagration. Eventually the IMF's SDR "currency" shall be elaborated on, perhaps sooner rather than later. The European crisis is a kind of shadow play and the IMF and its money are likely being positioned as a solution ... if not THE solution.

That's the Hegelian Dialectic manipulation of the Eurozone: Problem, Reaction, Solution.

Since most of the dealings/debts are in fiat currencies and dealt with via computers where it's all just "numbers" equalized to each other through some factors, i.e. $X.xx = £Y.yy*A; there is therefore, virtually, only one currency artificially divided into numerous others to allow for market manupulations and subject to the UCC rules of payments/debts. Some smart a** decided "To hell with UCC rulings, I'll print my own 'greenbacks!'"... and the Fed Reserve got implemented instead.

Well, Europe doesn't have a "Fed Reserve"... but here comes IMF which is a global money lender, hence "THE" UCC body par excellence... raising funds to sc**w everybody else but mainly Europe this time around.

Keynes's "bancor" was an attempt to get back to a stable, common gold backed-currency... fought tooth and nail by the "elite":

We've speculated that the elites want to create some sort of formalized gold standard in the past. But more and more the logic is inescapable: The elites are opposed to gold at every level (except for themselves). They hate the idea in fact that the common man owns either gold or silver. Monopoly fiat/paper offers much more control.

One of my above posts gives the reason why from an even more global point of view (interplanetary/galactic trades).

Apologies again for having lost you in my zipping straight to quantum mechanics

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Keynes's "bancor" was an attempt to get back to a stable, common gold backed-currency... fought tooth and nail by the "elite"

Keynes's "bancor" was opposed by the Americans, who stood astride the world like a colossus after World War II, but it was favored by the other nations. I guess the American's favored the apparent increase in power than came from mandating the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency.

Perhaps the horns of Triffin's Dilemma were not apparent to the Americans until later ... or perhaps this dilemma was evident to a few, early on, and those few intended to destroy the world's monetary system by this means, as would fit subsequent events.

Keynes opposed the gold standard, and the bancor was adjusted based on national import/export trade balances, not on the basis of gold held.

There is a good explanation of Keynes's bancor proposal here: http://prosperityuk.com/2003/05/how-...cy-would-work/

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Since most of the dealings/debts are in fiat currencies and dealt with via computers where it's all just "numbers" equalized to each other through some factors, i.e. $X.xx = £Y.yy*A; there is therefore, virtually, only one currency artificially divided into numerous others to allow for market manupulations and subject to the UCC rules of payments/debts.

In my view, currencies are not just numbers, all alike except for artificial divisions.

In past centuries, the relative strength of national currencies varied (in the ideal case) with the gold reserves held by each nation. If a nations gold reserves were low, their currency was worth less in foreign lands, so their citizens could less well afford imports, and could earn relatively more by making something for export.

Since the changes in the 1900's, national currencies are supposedly backed by US Dollars instead ... though that system has weakened and been corrupted almost beyond recognition, and Triffin's dilemma is well on its way to destroying the US Dollar. In turn US Dollars are issued in exchange for debt, personal, corporate and national, ... the "buy now, pay later" scheme writ large.

But in each case, the foreign exchange market (FOREX), now the largest by far market in the world, many times larger than the US Treasury market, dynamically adjusts the relative rations of each national (or regional - as in Euro) currency. These relative ratios of currencies, whether in the gold era, the bancor proposal, or the US Dollar reserve system, are critically entangled with the trade balances, and of late the endebtedness, of nations.

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Keynes's "bancor" was an attempt to get back to a stable, common gold backed-currency... fought tooth and nail by the "elite"

Keynes's "bancor" was opposed by the Americans, who stood astride the world like a colossus after World War II, but it was favored by the other nations. I guess the American's favored the apparent increase in power than came from mandating the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency.

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Keynes opposed the gold standard, and the bancor was adjusted based on national import/export trade balances, not on the basis of gold held.

There is a good explanation of Keynes's bancor proposal here: http://prosperityuk.com/2003/05/how-...cy-would-work/

Thanks for the links.

I got my reference of bancor gold-backed from this wicki:

The bancor was to be backed by barter and its value expressed in weight of gold.

Which was furthered into the SDR (then dropped for currency basket) in your OP article with this:

Calling Keynes's bancor approach "farsighted" Xiaochuan proposed strengthening existing global currency controls through the IMF by the adoption of International Monetary Fund (IMF) special drawing rights (SDRs) as a global reserve currency. When Special Drawing Rights were originally created in 1969 one SDR was defined as having a value of 0.888671 grams of gold, equal to the value of one US dollar at that time. After the breakdown of the Bretton Woods system the SDR was redefined in terms of a basket of four currencies.

My inclination would be to define a barter system with reference to something anyone could produce/exchange, not some rarefied mineral resource.

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Since most of the dealings/debts are in fiat currencies and dealt with via computers where it's all just "numbers" equalized to each other through some factors, i.e. $X.xx = £Y.yy*A; there is therefore, virtually, only one currency artificially divided into numerous others to allow for market manupulations and subject to the UCC rules of payments/debts.

In my view, currencies are not just numbers, all alike except for artificial divisions.

In past centuries, the relative strength of national currencies varied (in the ideal case) with the gold reserves held by each nation. If a nations gold reserves were low, their currency was worth less in foreign lands, so their citizens could less well afford imports, and could earn relatively more by making something for export.

Since the changes in the 1900's, national currencies are supposedly backed by US Dollars instead ... though that system has weakened and been corrupted almost beyond recognition, and Triffin's dilemma is well on its way to destroying the US Dollar. In turn US Dollars are issued in exchange for debt, personal, corporate and national, ... the "buy now, pay later" scheme writ large.

But in each case, the foreign exchange market (FOREX), now the largest by far market in the world, many times larger than the US Treasury market, dynamically adjusts the relative rations of each national (or regional - as in Euro) currency. These relative ratios of currencies, whether in the gold era, the bancor proposal, or the US Dollar reserve system, are critically entangled with the trade balances, and of late the endebtedness, of nations.

Exactly, so that nowadays these currencies (with gold gone, $$ and Euros going...) are computer crunched numbers translated into "money owed" under IMF-UCC law/rulings.

[ThePythonicCow]

The SDR was initially defined in terms of gold, and the bancor value expressed in gold -- but at least for the bancor, how many bancor credits a nation would have had depended on the decisions of an international commission, which were based on national import/export trade balances. The Wikipedia article on bancors seems rather ... er eh ... weak.

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Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Exactly, so that nowadays these currencies (with gold gone, $$ and Euros going...) are computer crunched numbers translated into "money owed" under IMF-UCC law/rulings.

That seems to be the plan ... unless some strange events intervene, such as what Fulford-Wilcock-Drake are telling us is imminent.

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)
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The Wikipedia article on bancors seems rather ... er eh ... weak.

Point taken...

Posted by Paul (here)
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Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
Exactly, so that nowadays these currencies (with gold gone, $$ and Euros going...) are computer crunched numbers translated into "money owed" under IMF-UCC law/rulings.

That seems to be the plan ... unless some strange events intervene, such as what Fulford-Wilcock-Drake are telling us is imminent.

This is where my previous posts (from the "way-back-when-time-machine), I zipped to, shed some light as to the "exopolitics" of the current scene, finding corroborating echoes 30 years later whether it's through David Icke, Credo Mutwa, Alex Collier, Camelot Projects, David Wilcock, Duncan O'Finioan, etc; or the gamut of interpretations behind "shifts of consciousness," "disclosure," "ascension," etc...

My bet is that the Fulford-Wilcock-Drake data are actually closer to the mark than anyone else since the "exo-interventions" have already taken place and the "elite/illuminati" are canibilizing each other, starting in the early 80s after that "Free Zone" decree:

1. The Markabian "One World Plan" has fractured into two major factions with a quiet third group waiting to see who comes out on top. Two major factions are:
   1. The group who wants to carry out Xenu's plan for One World Mental Enslavement and take the Planet for themselves as total despotic masters separate from Markab and its other planets. These have control and monitor lines into mainly American Secret Societies, government and finance.
   2. The group who want to remain loyal to Markab and take the planet for joining it to the Markabian Confederation of 7 planets (But it is also known that Markab itself has endorsed and accepted (finally) the Ethics Order on Xenu and have eased off on the mental enslavement plans, but are still carrying out the Political and Financial plans.) This group is based in Europe, and their control of Secret Societies, Banking and Politics is centered in Switzerland (and Strasbourg and Brussels).
2. Evidence of the above split is found in the stories of the last few months concerning conflicts over banking, economic and political matters in New Zealand, France, England, Spain, Denmark, America, South Africa, Sweden, Germany, Italy and African Middle East and Latin and South American countries. These stories, which you can read in your newspapers, seem puzzling - as if something is not being said - or a motive being concealed.

(Just look for the apparently insane and crazy actions and statements)...These are all evidences of a major battle going on behind the scenes by the two factions for control of your planet.

1. There are Markabians of the "wait and see" type and other "think-alikes" among the Earth hierarchy who are even considering a 3rd Alternative - they want to either "take over" or "come to terms with" the New Civilization Game and Free Zone Decree.
2. Now is the time to get busy with your own New Civilization Political Parties and Free Zone Planet activities so that Earth is in control of her own destiny and is being cared for by her own loyal people. Don't let the "drop out" Markabians and "think-alikes" beat you to the punch by putting up their "own idea" of a New Civilization! The Game is for you, the freedom-loving people of Earth to play and win. The right time is now.

There lies the confusion as to who is a black or white Hat and which way the grey hats are going to go; or which ones are set to play the "Orion Model" and pose as the whiter than thou hats?

Fascinating (to me at least) that this material also ties in with the "Charles' Material" and all that went on around it as well as Bill Ryan's interest in Charles and his master...

Also ties in with the exodus of banks and corporate executives... which group do they belong to?

Oh, well... and Alex Collier's friends asking "Why would you have to pay for living on the planet you were born on?"

PS: Another corroborating piece of the puzzle I ran into in a recent thread here (sorry, I forgot which thread) is a description of an ET group logo showing 7 stars circled by a snake eating its tail; the "ET" corrected the description of the "stars" as actually being 7 "planets."

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
My bet is that the Fulford-Wilcock-Drake data are actually closer to the mark than anyone else

I'm betting you're wrong .

I'm betting on roughly what the Daily Bell article describes, and I'm betting that gold related investments will rise some more, without risk of dramatic collapse such as would happen if many thousands of tons of gold were suddenly exposed on public accounts.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The Markabian "One World Plan" has fractured into two major factions with a quiet third group waiting to see who comes out on top. Two major factions are:

1. The group who wants to carry out Xenu's plan for One World Mental Enslavement and take the Planet for themselves as total despotic masters separate from Markab and its other planets. These have control and monitor lines into mainly American Secret Societies, government and finance.
2. The group who want to remain loyal to Markab and take the planet for joining it to the Markabian Confederation of 7 planets (But it is also known that Markab itself has endorsed and accepted (finally) the Ethics Order on Xenu and have eased off on the mental enslavement plans, but are still carrying out the Political and Financial plans.) This group is based in Europe, and their control of Secret Societies, Banking and Politics is centered in Switzerland (and Strasbourg and Brussels).

A little searching around for "Markabians" found this Ron's Org article that looked interesting: http://www.ronsorg.org/tableofconten...or9/sobn21.htm

[Debra]

Ok, this is a very dense area for me, and when exopolitical models are added to the fray, I am drowning.

However, I am fascinated. Can I ask a simpler question, relating to Paul´s OP possible scenario: depression followed by introduction of new worldwide monetary arrangement?

Are you referring to a one-world currency, Paul? If so, is there a new currency waiting in the wings - like the once touted Amero (which I heard that China had already taken minted stock of).

What information is there now about the value of existing currencies worldwide, what are the probable scenarios? Which countries will most suffer? Or, will we see a trend towards re-establishing independence and a break away from unions, started by Iceland?

I will continue to read more that you have provided Paul. These are just my instant thoughts - and queries. Thanks.

*also thanks Amzer Zo, this is territory that I have not gone down, but certainly like to venture into.

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
My bet is that the Fulford-Wilcock-Drake data are actually closer to the mark than anyone else

I'm betting you're wrong .

I'm betting on roughly what the Daily Bell article describes, and I'm betting that gold related investments will rise some more, without risk of dramatic collapse such as would happen if many thousands of tons of gold were suddenly exposed on public accounts.

There is a line or a paragraph in the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" that seem to indicate "their" (whoever they were/are) use of their gold reserves to destroy gold-backed currencies by flooding the market with it. This might have been a reason why Great Britain stepped out of gold-backed £ a while back?

Personally, I don't think there as much gold as D.W. claims unless Earth has been "Treasure Island" to "space pirates" for eons.

That said, I am not too keen on you being right about a currency designed by the IMF... which would mean that the old PTB transitioned to new PTB... same guys and schemes all over again.