Sovereignty - An analysis of the Wilcock interview with Drake

[Alie]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)
Here's the most recent show with Freedom Reigns and Drake. Terry and Drake talk about the birth and death of America. I was listening to it last night and fell asleep half way through I was so tired but I'm about to listen to the second half now.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freedom...freedom-reigns

At around 95 minutes Drake starts to talk about the resignations starting the first day that the declaration of sovereignty went out (in the proper manner). He doesn't know if his tongue will survive this stage because it's already hurting from biting it because it's so hard to keep this sensitive/priviliged infromation secret. He did give a time line though. He said he knows what our military backing is waiting on, he said that by the end of April (this month) a combination of things will come to pass that will change the basis of everything that we are dealing with... and it cannot be stopped.

EDIT: He said within 30 days and this interview was from April 8th.

Actually he said 30 days ... 45 days at the most. But the point was, that the wheels were rolling because he was in contact with the people making the decisions ... also that the military was waiting for something to take place.

[Jeffrey]

This is a great video, I'm sharing it here because I feel like the Deputy Sheriff in the video really epitomizes the fact that there are those people in positions of power that are just ignorant of the law, not neccesarily nefarious.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PpUjl4LvQM8

[Jeffrey]

New interview on Freedomizer Radio streaming live with Drake and Terry right here:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freedom...freedom-reigns

[xbusymom]

Posted by Vivek (here)
This is a great video, I'm sharing it here because I feel like the Deputy Sheriff in the video really epitomizes the fact that there are those people in positions of power that are just ignorant of the law, not neccesarily nefarious.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PpUjl4LvQM8

yes, the 'stage one' information meeting went in OUR favor because we outnumbered them at the time, but the police came back with more troops and forcibly finished the eviction...

we have to STOP playing their game by their rules... they will just change the rules at a whimsical notion and turn the tables when they see a moment when we are vulnerable...

we have to think outside the box...

[Unified Serenity]

Quite frankly, it's going to get bloody unless you are willing to lay down and finally just admit to being their slaves and lick their boots. You see it's in your own words..... they came back with MORE. The cops were outnumbered and rather than make it a risk for themselves, they left and came back with support. I am very sorry for the eviction. I am very sorry for the thousands of homeless who did nothing wrong but couldn't pay the bank which got bailed out. The banks want to be paid twice. The elites are using our own system, getting into power, enacting laws we don't agree with, and stealing our wealth, security, freedom. This is not going to stop because we ask them to, even if its 200 million demanding them to stop. The old answer used to be to just throw them out of office and put in those who will do what's right. That only works in fair elections and if the power structure is not in effect anymore. If there are power brokers controlling what laws come before the vote, then nothing will change.

Thus, we are screwed by our own sense of what was proper and right. We expected men and women of character and ethics. It is clear we have nothing but liars and thieves running our countries now. Does a robber leave your house just because you ask them to? How do you get them to leave? You have to physically throw them out! I have never written it this clearly before. The truth for me, is it will not change. The ptb want a violent uprising because they think they can overthrow it. They will get to actively wipe out their opposition and claim the opposition was a mob, unlawful, and dangerous! The cowards to refuse to get involved like they did so many millenia ago will stand by and do nothing. The righteous who cannot stand for this lie anymore will rise up and be destroyed, and we will have a new world order. Rest assured though, it won't last for long. I am fully convinced this is all part of a divine plan, and so far they have kept their bargain and fulfill the negative side of prophecy.

[YvonneG]

Just in case anyone would like to hear some questions and answers from Drake.

2 Hour Q & A with Drake and Teri

but it starts at around 62 minutes....

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/freedomizerradio/2012/04/12/jim-duensingfreedom-reigns

[peace]

can't wait to see what he writes when nothing happens . im sure something will save us all in the last moments - reported exclusively on wilcocks website

[modwiz]

We have the numbers. It is just a matter of will...............and tactics. When the cops came back in force the locals should have been ready and surrounded them on every side. They count on our lack of coordination and tactical leaders. Even soldiers need someone who sees the big picture and uses them wisely. A few leaders and then some brave people to fill out the numbers would make all the difference in the world.

Obviously, there can't be too much planning. There are always weasels needing thirty pieces of silver. There need to be loose confederations that can just pull together and be coordinated in real time. No plans, just show up and use yourselves wisely. Someone in the group has to have the ability to think tactically.
Socrates said, "A mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house". He is right. Someone needs to be the carpenter.

This idea must find implementation. Know thyself. Are you willing to stand? Are you willing to be led? Can you lead? Do you have an honest idea of what leading looks like?

[turiya]

Tim Turner Challenges 'Drake' to Debate

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lg8RkVg9ILY

Part1: http://youtu.be/Lg8RkVg9ILY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NcAK8VYXHak

Part2: http://youtu.be/NcAK8VYXHak

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WvKQ-Q04y7c

Part3: http://youtu.be/WvKQ-Q04y7c

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WswSc7oavBA

Part4: http://youtu.be/WswSc7oavBA

[modwiz]

Turner is looking for popularity. I would like to see an alliance. Anything else is bullsh!t and Turner's ego/megalomania.

[turiya]

Posted by modwiz (here)
Turner is looking for popularity. I would like to see an alliance. Anything else is bullsh!t and Turner's ego/megalomania.

Each to his own.

And calling people names and pasting labels will bring people closer together?
I don't think that strategy has every worked.

I have heard Socrates once said: "Be very careful with the words you choose to use..."

[modwiz]

Posted by TURIYA (here)

Posted by modwiz (here)
Turner is looking for popularity. I would like to see an alliance. Anything else is bullsh!t and Turner's ego/megalomania.

Each to his own.

And calling people names and pasting labels will bring people closer together?
I don't think that strategy has every worked.

I have heard Socrates once said: "Be very careful with the words you choose to use..."

Such a scold! Do not be so sure my words were not chosen with care. Who are you to presume they were not?

Protecting your intellectual/posting turf is most likely the cause of your finger-wagging.

As you said, to each his own.

Do you think an alliance of these two would not be a good thing?

[gripreaper]

Oh boy, now we have the self appointed guru of the republic for the united states challenging Drake as to the validity of his claims as to the Notices of Sovereignty supposedly submitted to the Hague and approved (we have not seen these by the way) as the world tribunal for all things righteous and proper?

[9eagle9]

I wonder if the people who chain themselves to David ever step back and look at see who his story line trips him up constantly. His program.

No I don't need to wonder , I know. There is nothing David has to offer that I don't know.That hasn't been repeated a thousand times in the last two decades. And a good portion of it is artificially generated bull****.

Yes, some DO KNOW better than David. Quite a lot actually.

Posted by YvonneG (here)
I wonder if people that want to nay-say David and possibly Drake have taken the time to listen to all the radio shows with Drake, where any AND all questions are answered. And there are other Patriot groups in particular who is working doing something. I know who they are personally, and I can tell you that this is not the same as what Drake is speaking about. ALL OF THIS is explained in great detail on the freedom reigns show.

No one is yanking DW's chain...His research that he spends sometimes 24/7 putting together is something I will trust before anyone's opinion. I personally know of some of the people that are with Drake on freedomreigns show, I know the history and very personal details of several of them. Anyone who doesn't understand what they are talking about, could learn as it is all out in the open. I am hoping that Mozart does comment on this thread.

And I apologize if it seems like I am putting anyone down. It is not my intention, nor is it my attention to defend DW as he doesn't need it. But I see how things get turned around or we add our own stories and opinions. If people only know of those who call themselves Patriots by what the media has shown us, then they don't understand. I have never been a patriot like that, but I have cousin who along with his daughter freed 100's right here in tampa. He was falsely sent to prison for using the "constitution" to defend people...him and his daugther. She died in prision because they did not give her the medication she needed after surgery. Her own Mother talked to her hours before she died, when the daugther told her they had not given her the medication. so this story is not a story, but a fact.

So when folks like Mozart who have been part of the patriot movement and seen the horrors, most of which are just stories to the rest of us, we might consider educating ourselves a little before responding. But then this is a free country and we call can say what we wish. So that is what I am now doing.

And DW crying showed me two things, David is a real man who is not afraid to show his feelings. The other, well, if it wasn't true why the heck would he cry in front of all the listeners?

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
David Wilcocks didn't understand that someone was yanking his chain?

If David followed his own advice instead of his story line he'd have realized that.

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I disagree with the person who says because Wilcock was crying after he got the death threat means he has no real courage or sovereignty over himself. I know that in my own experience all the times I was the MOST brave I had to first go through a "tunnel of fear" on the way to my firm stance. A person is not only as strong as his or her weakest link; s/he is as strong as her/his strongest link as well...!

The worst that could happen that I can see if these mass arrests were to prove nonexistent or non-successful is that the awareness of the attempt will wake up a LOT more people and cause them to do some soul-searching of their own, including our troops.

We DO need to stand up for ourselves. If not me, then who?

[turiya]

Each to his own.

And calling people names and pasting labels will bring people closer together?
I don't think that strategy has every worked.

I have heard Socrates once said: "Be very careful with the words you choose to use...

Such a scold! Do not be so sure my words were not chosen with care. Who are you to presume they were not?

Protecting your intellectual/posting turf is most likely the cause of your finger-wagging.

As you said, to each his own.

Do you think an alliance of these two would not be a good thing?

If you take it as 'finger-wagging, that is how your feel about it.

Its just simple logic...
If you are calling another names and using condemnatory language towards them, then I would expect nothing more than the same coming back to the source from which it was spewed from.

In this regard, its rather obvious, if you did take care in choosing these words, then you only want to create more conflict, not less.
The same with this guy "Drake". there is no desire for an alliance, just to create more conflict - to divide and conquer. This tells me the guy is only working for the de facto, perhaps unconsciously, but is still acting, perhaps unknowingly, as an agent. Follow him if you like. Good luck.

Cheers -*-

[turiya]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Oh boy, now we have the self appointed guru of the republic for the united states challenging Drake as to the validity of his claims as to the Notices of Sovereignty supposedly submitted to the Hague and approved (we have not seen these by the way) as the world tribunal for all things righteous and proper?

The UN is a de facto corporate entity in itself, supported by all the other de facto corporate nations. All of which ride on the corporate fiat money system created by the cabal of banksters known as the Federal Reserve. The World Bank, IMF, the BIS are all connected at the hip. When the system goes down (financial collapse), a sound money system will be what will fill the vacuum that is created. The financial backers of Rusa are there ready to implement an alternative system, so says Ben Fulford, so says Tim Turner.

From what I've read on Ben Fulford's blog, he is in total support of Rusa. What I would like to see is a statement by Ben Fulford on what his take is on what this guy "Drake" has said in David Wilcock's interview. Nothing yet. But I think it will show that he has an altogether different view on 'Drake' than what David Wilcock has expressed.

We shall see, turiya -*-

[gripreaper]

Posted by TURIYA (here)
When the system goes down (financial collapse), a sound money system will be what will fill the vacuum that is created. The financial backers of Rusa are there ready to implement an alternative system, so says Ben Fulford, so says Tim Turner.

From what I've read on Ben Fulford's blog, he is in total support of Rusa. What I would like to see is a statement by Ben Fulford on what his take is on what this guy "Drake" has said in David Wilcock's interview. Nothing yet. But I think it will show that he has an altogether different view on 'Drake' than what David Wilcock has expressed.

We shall see, turiya -*-

I would be careful endorsing Tim Turner and RuSA, and I heard on freedom-reigns last night that the Drake IS NOT affiliated with RuSA in any way. At any rate, those who were a part of RAP, which was the first mutation of RuSA, have some very damning things to say about it all. First off, Tim Turner "used" to work for FEMA, and whether he still does is still up for debate,but RAP became a self appointed dictatorship and did not follow the original organic constitution. Tim Turner was basically to stand in as president until elections could be held, after the republic was restored. RAP fell apart and RuSA evolved. Many are saying RuSA is just the next mutation of RAP.

What I do know, is that the idea of becoming sovereign and taking back this country has just hit this sector of the alternative community and is relatively new outside of those who have been doing it and following it for the last few decades. those people have their Yahoo groups and their talkshoes. I've never met any Avalonian's there.

Suffice it to say, the "private v public", Sovereign v Slave" "De Jure v De Facto", fiat v asset backed, and the people helping each other address third party debt collectors and save their homes, is a huge movement in itself and deserves to move more into the mainstream light of day.

But be careful endorsing Tim Turner

[turiya]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by TURIYA (here)
When the system goes down (financial collapse), a sound money system will be what will fill the vacuum that is created. The financial backers of Rusa are there ready to implement an alternative system, so says Ben Fulford, so says Tim Turner.

From what I've read on Ben Fulford's blog, he is in total support of Rusa. What I would like to see is a statement by Ben Fulford on what his take is on what this guy "Drake" has said in David Wilcock's interview. Nothing yet. But I think it will show that he has an altogether different view on 'Drake' than what David Wilcock has expressed.

We shall see, turiya -*-

I would be careful endorsing Tim Turner and RuSA, and I heard on freedom-reigns last night that the Drake IS NOT affiliated with RuSA in any way. At any rate, those who were a part of RAP, which was the first mutation of RuSA, have some very damning things to say about it all. First off, Tim Turner "used" to work for FEMA, and whether he still does is still up for debate,but RAP became a self appointed dictatorship and did not follow the original organic constitution. Tim Turner was basically to stand in as president until elections could be held, after the republic was restored. RAP fell apart and RuSA evolved. Many are saying RuSA is just the next mutation of RAP.

What I do know, is that the idea of becoming sovereign and taking back this country has just hit this sector of the alternative community and is relatively new outside of those who have been doing it and following it for the last few decades. those people have their Yahoo groups and their talkshoes. I've never met any Avalonian's there.

Suffice it to say, the "private v public", Sovereign v Slave" "De Jure v De Facto", fiat v asset backed, and the people helping each other address third party debt collectors and save their homes, is a huge movement in itself and deserves to move more into the mainstream light of day.

But be careful endorsing Tim Turner

Funny, gripreaper, how you say to be careful of endorsing Tim Turner because he worked for Homeland Security (something that he has openly admitted in his seminars - youtube videos can be found if you really want to do your research). Well, how about this "Drake" guy (unlike Tim Turner, 'Drake' is not his real name)? He claims to have worked for NSA! What about being careful endorsing this "Drake" fellow, a guy that you don't have any verifying information on? (See links below.) Notice how he avoids identifying the particular agency from where he got his security clearances - Security of the Nation from a nuclear threat can only be the NSA.

Those that have formed Freedom Reigns are few in number, it is understood that they are complainers, Teri Hinkle is their queen. Now "Drake" comes claiming the throne of this group of disgruntled ex-RAP/Rusa members.

"Drake" poses himself as a mirror image of Tim Turner. He spouts the same lines as Tim has done several months & a year previously - "military support, those in prison for victimless crimes will be released", "the end of the IRS", "the end of the Federal Reserve", "the Native American Indian nations are on board", etc., etc., etc.

What also throws in several scenarios in what he calls "The Plan".
1) Borders will be clamped down. [duh! That's martial law!]
There will be no traffic in or out of the United States -The closure of our
national borders. (Note: the closure will be for going after the financial
terrorists who have ransacked this country of its wealth - he is
describing the next false-flag operation scenario, imo.) - a complete &
total clampdown of this nation, if need be. [any excuse can be made up
to justify this so-called 'complete & total clampdown of our nation'.]
2) Satellite systems will not work.
3) Will not be allowed to make international calls.
4) People will need to stay at home & watch a tv channel to get educated.
[mmm.... getting educated via the tv got us all into this mess, imo... sound to me this is could be another phase of brainwashing the masses in acceptance of a new 'structure'.]
5) A money-less' society will be implemented. [excuse me - that is a 'cashless
society' he is talking about - a goal of the NWO] (see the link below)
6) A temporary military dictatorship is put in place with unlimited powers? [WTF... and
we are suppose to simply accept this?]

Someone has been feeding him his material.

Funny, gripreaper, how you say to be careful of endorsing Tim Turner because he worked for Homeland Security (something that he has openly admitted). Well, how about this "Drake" guy (unlike Tim Turner, 'Drake' is not his real name)? He claims to have worked for NSA! What about being careful endorsing this "Drake" fellow, a guy that you don't have any verifying information on? (See links below.) Notice how he avoids identifying the particular agency from where he got his security clearances - Security of the Nation from a nuclear threat can only be the NSA.

Links:
1) Drake admits being an NSA Agent: www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KjZgsRt8PBc#t=2644s
2) THE PLAN: Reference to Matial Law : https://youtube.com/watch?feature...Rt8PBc#t=6340s
3) Reference of Moving to Cashless/Money-less society: https://youtube.com/watch?feature...Rt8PBc#t=8369s
4) Military Dictatorship with unlimited powers will be installed (temporarily?): https://youtube.com/watch?feature...Rt8PBc#t=8415s

[Unified Serenity]

My gut tells me it's all a ruse to get us to sit on our collective Arses and do nothing while the elites continue to move the chess pieces. They want a violent reaction in society. We recently had the thread on subliminal message "KILL" backwards caught on tv. When the SHTF, there will be a massive breakdown of society. Fear will be rampant and when people panic they do stupid crazy things, often in packs. Once everything is as bad as we can imagine and everyone is begging for it to stop and for peace and brotherly love then a "savior" will provide a solution--- a new zoo where no one will realize they are just the elites "livestock", that they are in prison, and yet that is exactly how it will be.

Sorry, I know it's awfully gloomy. I also know it won't last for that long either, and we are headed eventually to a brighter future.

[Bo Atkinson]

This seems to be the thread of trying to rationally balance the available, public, evidence. Which perhaps satisfies more in hind sight rather than in hopeful speculation. Sure, hindsight might shift things much further, like water under the bridge.

TURIYA, Thanks for asserting this other movement. I hadn't heard much about it before. However the first two mp3s you linked did sound more like commiseration concerning wanted, appointments of power. It did not seem to indicate imminent happenings of severe proportions. Your post #58 lists some things to check, but IMO, Drake asserts timing and several, severe, imminent and unambiguous things to happen. In several months time, big changes should occur, or else the ambiguity factor enters that equation. Based on your two initial links, there was not much to use, for an independent, small person out there in the world. A small person who lives hand to mouth, more or less, needing to invest in basics.

If nothing else, i find all this posting as useful impetus to "...keep that hand on the plow..." Instead of fear, one can divert that reaction, to push forward with otherwise, more boring work. Increasingly energize the chores and push projects along with more energy. Drake's words seem to fit that effort more. Unless you might provide some mp3s which address such aspects.

Thanks all.