Posted by justoneman
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Posted by TURIYA
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Posted by modwiz
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I agree with your assessments here. It is my conclusion that unwittingly or not, T is functioning as a TT troll. May jsut be misplaced passion but the disruptive effects and diversionary topic tactic are in play here.
I failed to see any name calling in Modwiz's post. I do clearly read a derogatory characterization of Modwiz stated in a way that suggests to the reader the commentator, Turiya, has special insights into the more complex inner workings of Modwiz or anyone else for that matter in these last few sentences.
This appears to be an attack on Modwiz as a person as opposed to stating a contributory set of counter positions of Modwiz's post.
Two people - one appears mature, the other appears a bit childish. If I am correct, when straightforward arguments cannot be made, the arguer usually resorts to childish tactics such as name calling and/or making disparaging remarks.
Posted by TURIYA
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All I am doing is showing a different perspective from what most here would prefer to consider. Because everything "Drake" has spoken about is nothing new. It is all borrowed from what Tim Turner has said previously. Most of which can be found in Tim Turner's "America Can Be Free" seminars that are on youtube videos. Its easy stuff to research if anybody is willing to take the time.
In reading the above paragraph, I get the sense that Turiya believes that information related to the possibility that humanity could truly free itself is something that should be credited to Tim Turner as if he owns the information. This implies that if all this information originated from Tim Turner then perhaps Tim Turner and only Tim Turner should be the one and only individual (and/or those he may appoint to be his representatives) to speak about these truths which then implies he should become some leader guy we all depend upon to implement actions that could lead to the freedom of humanity where he and his government ultimately take over.
It seems, and I am not real smart, but it seems to me that the goal(s) here are a wee bit more important than arguments raised by Turiya that attempt to steer the reader to agree with her into "following" a Tim Turner.
The many times stated message coming from Drake is that the efforts of the folks he is working with have a clear intent to stay away from leaders and/or groups of people emerging as the next governmental force.
The impression I get is the primary goal with Drake and many he is working with is to give Americans a chance to live free in a land that was promised in the original Constitution and that his efforts as well as the folks he is working with are meant solely to place us in that position.
Posted by TURIYA
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And I happen to be one willing enough to take the time to show the truth, to make
clarifications about "Drake's" so-called updated material. Most of it has been stolen from Tim Turner.
With the TT movement, I get the heebie geebies and with Drake's efforts, I get a good feeling. Thus my intuition suggests I trust Drake and Wilcock and Ben Fulford more than I trust RuSA.
I also get a bad feeling when "freedom" is professionally packaged and sold. I spend zero for Drake's information. I spend zero for Wilcock's information. I pay $8 a month for Fulford's information (he cannot accept donations due to Japanese regulations).
Then last night (2012/04/15) I listened to the freedomreigns web show and heard enough pretty spooky information backed up by so much likely verifiable fact regarding TT et al from someone Drake clearly trusts and respects that I am further convinced as to who I trust.
I have listened to most of what Teri Hinkle has had to say, from the point where she talked about Tim's Homeland Security credentials. Will have to go back later and listen to the first part of it. One thing for sure is that there are going to be embellishments about what is actually happening on both sides of this aisle.
But it cannot be denied that many people that have been part of early RAP & RusA got frustrated because of the lack of communication that was going on. Emotions throughout the different assemblies in the various States were running high. Florida, Oregon, Texas, Wisconsin & perhaps Minnesota were in particular having problems with egos being stepped on, and who was positioning themselves to be in control. My personal reason for backing away was because I felt that the Restore America Plan/RuSA was being used too much as a platform to promote the fundamentalist Christian 'Born Again' movement ideology.
What you say about Tim is what I am feeling with this guy "Drake". The biggest thing for me is that Tim has always appeared to me to speak with words that seemed to resonate from his heart. And he has always been quite out in front with his past history of working (on the county level) with FEMA,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=AKjQriec7JE#t=445s
"Drake", on the other hand, will not come out and directly say that he worked for NSA. Where else would he get high level security clearances, as he has said in that Wilcock interview, for being involved with the nuclear defense of the United States?
It may be true that Turner may still have FEMA credentials from those days, after all it was a county level position. Perhaps he held onto the FEMA ID as a souvenir/keepsake item. I suspect Tim will come back on with an response to all these allegations at some point.
And, because people are waking up, I can't but get the feeling that the de facto USG is gearing up for a big showdown with those involved in re-inhabiting the Republic form of government. This is what SPLC & ADL have been moving towards
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1896272, and there was that 60 minute 'hit' piece that was done last year in attempting to connect certain violent incidents with the sovereignty movement.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BKFX5...eature=related
The question arises: Is "Drake", a former NSA agent, part of a de facto USG project of going after those in the Sovereignty Movement? (Perhaps, he still works for that de facto government agency?) As it was said before, the Global Power Elite NWO have continuously maintained their grip and control over the masses by keeping them divided and at each others' throats. A job well done, Mr. "Drake". I am sure he will receive a good pat on the back by his superiors. "Drake" may not be aware that he may be simply being used as a tool by his Global Power Elite bosses whom he may be still working for.
The big disappointment came at the end of that recent Freedomizer Radio thing is that after making these allegations, both "Drake" Teri Hinkle have categorically refused to have a debate with Tim Turner. Instead, Teri plans on slinking back into the shadows, I suspect "Drake" will be doing the same. A job well done? We shall all see.
If you go through all those Tim Turner "America Can Be Free" seminar videos, you will see where "Drake" is getting his material from. Take a look and you will see where its coming from.
I'm not trying to promote Tim Turner, but I would certainly not be willing to be so easily swayed by some mystery man that doesn't use his real name, that has borrowed information, and has not in any way come out in front of a camera to show himself to anyone. Be gullible if you like, if that is what intuition means to you.
BYW, calling someone a 'Troll' is a derogatory name, the same goes for saying someone is 'childish', it is name calling in my book. Its a sign your feathers have been ruffled. Get over it & use to it.
Best... turiya -
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Re: Drake: Updates, clarifications and more
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