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    These are just a very few issues that I think are really, really in dire need of addressing as soon as this Project Clean-up starts,
    David Wilcock, having been chosen by the ancient dynastic families of the planet, as well as the consortium of 143 aligned nations against the cabal, as well as the global judicial adjudicators, to be the central liaison for the greatest transformation in the history of planet earth, is taking care of all of that.

    I'd say it's all under control.
    Well at least he does look like Cayce. That much is true.

    I have horrible eye sight but these two guys do not look alike to me. The nose is different. The lips on the second guy are thicker. The eyes do not have the same shape.

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    These are just a very few issues that I think are really, really in dire need of addressing as soon as this Project Clean-up starts,
    David Wilcock, having been chosen by the ancient dynastic families of the planet, as well as the consortium of 143 aligned nations against the cabal, as well as the global judicial adjudicators, to be the central liaison for the greatest transformation in the history of planet earth, is taking care of all of that.

    I'd say it's all under control.
    Well at least he does look like Cayce. That much is true.

    I have horrible eye sight but these two guys do not look alike to me. The nose is different. The lips on the second guy are thicker. The eyes do not have the same shape.
    And the ear and the chin and the eyebrows are different too!

    And David Wilcock is a blond-haired guy anyway. He doesn't even look like himself

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    Default Wilcock *IS* Cayce, man.

    Doubt all you want, if you like, but I'm telling you: Wilcock IS Cayce returned.
    • The charts between the two match up with one in several million odds of matching up.
    • David's own Source, the "Dream Voice" told him, point-blank, that he was Cayce returned.
    • ARE's own president met with Wilcock and was stunned with the similarity between the two.
    • And this has been confirmed by others.

    When Wilcock had that reading with his own Source -- the very same Source that told Cayce all the amazing information that turned out to be 99% accurate in 14,000+ readings over many years -- he ran to the bathroom and threw up.

    The LAST thing that Wilcock wanted was to have a "I was Cleopatra" complex, as he knew that he'd have to deal with the ridicule that comes with the territory of having such an extraordinary claim ... but in this case his extraordinary claim is fully backed up with very plausible information that really does support the idea that he's Cayce returned.

    Wilcock is his own man with his own work to stand on. Now he hardly ever refers to his past life as Cayce; he'd only refer to it if someone asks him a direct question about the connection. His own Source had to push him several times to use his past life connection with Cayce as a calling card with his initial work in going public with his information.

    Wilcock *IS* Cayce returned. Period.

    Waste your time/energy doubting, if you want, but why do that when the evidence is overwhelming in support of Wilcock being Cayce returned?
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    The guillotine stuff was a joke by the way. I have to write this, because Americans don't understand irony without underlining it. No offense.

    It's a culture thing. Danes are used to say whatever they feel without moderating what they say. When Danes debate each other, they don't hold anything back or try to avoid hurting feelings. They are very direct and emotional in their rhetoric and use bizarre humor.

    I have to hold back how I normally communicate. to avoid other cultures to hate Denmark with a passion because of misunderstanding of our ways.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
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    Jealous! I'm so sick of censoring what I say because of political correctness.

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    My first thought is to plan a huge party for all of us on PA, so we can use our newly acquired tech to meet each other in person in the same place for a short period of time ( and have w/the added bonus of getting away from the temper tantrum that is occurring for at least awhile).

    I realize that it isn't the most practical way to spend out time after the mass arrests, but it would be fun. Toasts/hugs to everyone who has been working towards this for a very long time. I figure it will be more like the scene from Jedi where everyone is just celebrating in the own little corner of the universe after they find out that the Empire has died! Yoo Hoo! However, I have a sneaking suspicion that we will have our hands full for a long time to come because there are too many people who are CLUELESS as to the biggest drama being played out in our planet's lifetime (ok, maybe a slight exaggeration).

    Especially, those of us in America/the West. A lot of people in Hollywood/NYC are going to find that nobody wants the programming they've been pushing all over the world. And in my area, we've got basic literacy/social problems already - so we have definite challenges ahead. I wonder how many people will be left in DC after all is said and done. We know TX can take care of herself, so I'm not worried at all about Texans! Just trying to wrap my head around some of this, so I can help it become a reality.

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    Default Re: Wilcock *IS* Cayce, man.

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    Wilcock *IS* Cayce returned. Period.

    Waste your time/energy doubting, if you want, but why do that when the evidence is overwhelming in support of Wilcock being Cayce returned?
    Mozart is 100% correct. Read the book "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce".

    Much love!

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    Many of us have been Sheeple at some point. For me, I see it this way. I am born into a family, a culture, a country, an educatation system that all I get is endoctrination how to be good Sheeple. The generations coming after me had TV to blast them for 1000's hours on and on, training them to be good consumers. Can I blame the Sheeple? Do all Sheeple care about no other than themselves? That is not possible. I know many Sheeple that do care, but they are scared, they area confused and the fear and the many years of endocrination makes it very difficult to penetrate. I was a sheeple until the Iraqi war. I was a sheeple because I didn't like what I saw so I gave msyelf over to meditation and "seeking" the spiritual and ignorning what was going on and not being involved. When the Iraqi war started I was shocked and decided to do my own research. I was on an emailing list of actual people in Iraqi living with them, trying to helping, sending photos of the dead bodies of children.

    I couldn't sleep all I could was breath and meditate and I found that to be probably my most potent spiritual practice.
    No one is 100% Sheeple inside. But I do understand that we have every right to be angry and to work it through.



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    Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.
    You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

    There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

    Something is rotten in Denmark.
    It is because, I understand how everything fits together with the Elite and the Sheep and how they are a mirror. You also have to have in consideration that I'm a hardcore truther and have worked very hard to wake many people up and spend allot of time every day out on the information battlefield. I have talked with Elites and understand how they think.

    First I was angry with the Elite, when I was waking people up. I looked very deep into the abyss to understand the Elite to better defeat them.
    Then I learned how they thought and I discovered they are a mirror of our weakness. i talked with people from the other side and understood their twisted logic.

    Then my anger turned around towards the sheeple, because I saw they are not victims but part of this evil.

    "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
    Edmund Burke

    I found out the sheep don't care about any other than themselves and will report you to the controllers and ship you to the nearest FEMA center, if they had to.

    I'm in the process of forgiving the sheeple too and that is why I wrote I need to kick some sheeple ass(verbally) for several month and blow off steam.

    You don't defeat Lucifers army with hate but with forgiveness and divine love.

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    Mozart is correct. An excellent site to explore on the matter is the Institute for the Integration of Science, Intuition and Spirit. You'll be amazed at the research and study of several individuals that are on this site. It was through a board member from this organization I was able to piece together a past life of my own that I was beginning to remember. I have actually submitted my case to this institute, and am waiting to see if Dr. Semkiw will further investigate. Once you understand the process of reincarnation it becomes easier to recognize specific traits that match up from your past life with your current one. Not everyone always looks like their past life incarnations, but in David's case I think hands down, he's a spitting image of Edgar Cayce. You don't have to have the same hair color from one life to the next to be that person, it doesn't necessarily work that way. I think Dr. Semkiw probably only posts cases where the person really looks like the individual they are claiming to be because we are still living in a society that doesn't fully accept reincarnation and therefore it is more believable if physical proof can be provided. Surf around in here when you have time as it's pretty interesting:

    http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=...st-life-expert

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    we-R-one,

    THANK YOU! What you wrote is profound and resonates on a very deep level with me. I forget all too often that it's ALL ABOUT consciousness while allowing myself to be submerged in the everyday mundane things.

    And welcome to Avalon!
    Thank you Karelia and Neptun and to the others that acknowledged my past post. I sooooo want people to not only understand but also utilize the message I conveyed.

    It is very easy to slip back and forth in between 3rd dimensional thinking and higher dimensional thinking, because you become a product of the enviroment you are exposed to. I always kid and tell people that I use to be a 3rd dimensional "dimwit" before I began to wake up. It's just a process, something that all souls have to go through. Moving from sheeple status in essence to a "messiah" (creator of your own reality) is probably one of the toughest lessons to learn. Playing victim is so much easier! Initially it's hard in the beginning to change your thought process into one of forgiveness as we are constantly subjected to the staus quo mentality that "getting even" is the appropriate response. As more and more make the choice to forgive, it will become easier, as by default collective consciousness will begin to take place and slowly the masses will follow. I think it's most difficult for those of us who must lay the bridge for others to walk over as we are often outcasted for creating a trail off the beaten path. This has become a constant challenge for us Star Seeds and lightworkers which is why I have learned to become comfortable with being uncomfortable when it comes to laying down the walkways of seemingly unchartered territories. And though I am no longer a sheeple, I would proudly accept the label of being the black sheep of the herd looking for a better way to proceed. Baaaaaaa! LMAO

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    we-R-one,

    Can you shift into the 5D world or is the world the same, but you change mindsets?

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    Thank you Karelia and Neptun and to the others that acknowledged my past post. I sooooo want people to not only understand but also utilize the message I conveyed.

    It is very easy to slip back and forth in between 3rd dimensional thinking and higher dimensional thinking, because you become a product of the enviroment you are exposed to. I always kid and tell people that I use to be a 3rd dimensional "dimwit" before I began to wake up. It's just a process, something that all souls have to go through. Moving from sheeple status in essence to a "messiah" (creator of your own reality) is probably one of the toughest lessons to learn. Playing victim is so much easier! Initially it's hard in the beginning to change your thought process into one of forgiveness as we are constantly subjected to the staus quo mentality that "getting even" is the appropriate response. As more and more make the choice to forgive, it will become easier, as by default collective consciousness will begin to take place and slowly the masses will follow. I think it's most difficult for those of us who must lay the bridge for others to walk over as we are often outcasted for creating a trail off the beaten path. This has become a constant challenge for us Star Seeds and lightworkers which is why I have learned to become comfortable with being uncomfortable when it comes to laying down the walkways of seemingly unchartered territories. And though I am no longer a sheeple, I would proudly accept the label of being the black sheep of the herd looking for a better way to proceed. Baaaaaaa! LMAO
    Reading you makes my heart sing, "Yes! Yes! Yes!!!!!" It is a lonely path we walk, though I agree that it does become easier over time. And yes, the consciousness IS growing – has been for a number of years now.

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    Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.
    You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

    There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

    Something is rotten in Denmark.
    Let me see if I can give you a different viewpoint and make sense of what this poster is trying to convey. Earth is currently inhabited with 3rd dimensional thinking. One of the belief systems that comes from this dimension is an eye for an eye. If you were to take a higher dimensional approach you would see that the Powers That Were have offered you endless "fuel" to work with through their evil doings. This is the very opportunity that humans are overlooking and it is this opportunity that has the ability to change our reality out of the game of duality. The poster you are questioning is suggesting that one takes a different route rather than an eye for an eye through forgiveness. If you put the science behind this suggestion you will find the poster's approach to be accurate. Every living and non-living thing vibrates at a frequency. It is said that love and compassion vibrates at the highest frequency rate. Change the way you think and you change your reality, it's that simple. And when we as a society understand and practice this thought process we will help to transform Earth into a reality where duality no longer exists as the negative energy will no longer be able to survive in the higher dimensional frequencies of love and compassion.

    This is merely a game being played down here on Earth called the Polarity Integration Game or the game of duality, otherwise known as the game of the light and the dark. The dark one's have served their purpose and served it well. For this they should not be judged but forgiven. You see because of their evil ways they have awakened millions. So what next is what the original poster asked?? You take that negative energy they have so kindly continued to generate and you transmute it into love and compassion through acceptance and forgiveness, that's what's next! Now...how do I know this??? This is the very action I took when struggling with a difficult personal situation and it is through the proper thought process that I experienced a Kundalini. Just a side not but this experience happened at the mere age of 25; there was no coaching, so I knew there was significance to this thought process. What I didn't understand at the time, was that I was "transmuting" energy. I took the terrible situation I had been submitted to for many years and I "accepted" the bad parts of it and the lessons learned and than I "accepted" the good parts of the experience, all within my heart. The integration point of acceptance of both the positive and negative energies was forgiveness and compassion. This is the exact point when I experienced the Kundalini. Love and compassion have the ability to change your DNA structure from a more carbon base to chrystalline! When you change your DNA structure you stop disease! This what they don't want you to know!

    All this craziness going on, is by design, to offer you the opportunity, your souls, to evolve and remove yourself from the horrors of experiencing the game of duality by understanding how to save yourself. 5th dimension which is where we're headed is about understanding that you are the creators of your reality. What I just shared with you is how you go about creating that reality! Change the way you think! It's all about consciousness. If you look at the science you will see that we are tied into the same Sourcefield of energy. It is through collective consciousess that we will be able to change our world that harbors peace not violence, but it starts with each individual changing how they think. When society comes to this realization "collectively" it is then you will see real change take place and a dimensional shift. Do not miss this opportunity to transmute negative energy! Your emotions vibrate at a frequency so if you harbor all the negative energies that an eye for an eye suggest such as anger and fear, you are feeding the beast and creating the very enviroment that you loathe.

    Take this into consideration......notice how grass fed cows are the more desired form of beef to consume according to health advocates? .......Why is that.....and why don't "they" want you to have access to this food source? Grass fed cows source of energy comes from chlorophyll. And how is chlorophyll produced? It's produced by the sun and guess what, the sun vibrates at 528Hz frequency, the frequency of love which is the very thing your body wants to sustain itself.

    Everything around you consists of energy. How you decide to use it will determine where you go in the future. You are consciousness down here having an experience, you are immortal! How you think, will determine the reality you'll find yourself in the future. Do any of you really want to experience duality all over again? There are only two reasons that I can think of that you would have to: 1. You choose to come back to this reality maybe to help other souls or 2. You didn't learn the lessons needed and therefore you must repeat the experience again till you get the message. Please do not discount what I am saying, I'm completely serious. My background is that of a Star Seed. We come from advanced civilizations not from this world with the purpose of incarnating onto this planet in order to help humanity through the ascension process that is currently taking place. I am jumping up and down here because I see the opportunity that sits before you. You have free will to choose the path you are most comfortable with, so if this does not sit well in your gut it is best that you continue in the direction that most suits your journey.

    For those who are ready to move in a different direction you will hopefully find something in my post that resonates within your soul. By forgiving, and generating positive energy of love and compassion and putting that out into Sourcefield, you help lay the foundation to a future in which these games of duality can no longer survive on this planet. This is the future for those who choose to walk this path.
    You might want to read some of my many posts. I am on record as not believing in punishment. I consider it a childish emotional reaction. Self defense and 'disposing of garbage' are very different concepts. In short, what do you do with a tick?

    Since I have made my point(s) many times I will not again. Having to address every new member who presumes to opine towards another member who has put considerable time into being a known quality would be a tedious task.

    Your overall post was very thoughtful and well put.
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    In short, what do you do with a tick?
    Bird food. (Just couldn't resist, modwiz. ) Going, going, gone... ........................................

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    we-R-one,

    Can you shift into the 5D world or is the world the same, but you change mindsets?
    It's basically a mindset. There are all kinds of people living in multi-dimensionality. Some are probably doing it and don't even realize what they're doing. If I understand correctly it's a state of consciousness not necessarily a physical place. I have heard that grid work has to be done to create the availability of various dimensions. I'm not sure exactly what this entails. My understanding of dimensions is that they are a set of specific beliefs shared and practiced by the majority. This is what creates your reality. When I began to awaken fully back in 2008, I learned quickly two things.
    1. Do not operate in fear.
    2. As new truth come to the surface, you must be willing to shift your set of beliefs to match those new truths.

    The second point is the very reason I believe I was able to excel so quickly within higher dimensional thinking. It sounds simple enough, but amazingly for many, they will struggle with the concept. Letting go of past beliefs that you have based your reality on can be extremely scary. In essence you are asking someone to hand over their security blanket. There will be many that can't do this. What they're telling you is that their soul isn't ready to move on into the higher realms and that's ok. This was difficult for me because as a Star Seed I felt I wasn't doing my job by saving everyone like I felt I was suppose to do. Well you can't save everyone, it's just a process and those who are ready will proceed forward.

    You are living within a psychological matrix. It's constructed with what I like to call "preconceived misconceptions". Within this matrix you are pounded with negative energy in order to control your mind and feed the entities who use this energy as a food source to sustain themselves. Once you step out of the fear factor you are on your way to freedom to explore various dimensions. What's difficult for many is, they don't want to hear that their world is not set up for the reasons in which they originally came to believe. So because of fear they refuse to leave the matrix, the very conglomerant that enslaves them.

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    Wow, so your opinions about DW being Cayce are fact and everyone else is WRONG! Wow, so much for respecting others views. I have never once heard of someone looking like someone from the past as meaning anything about them being re-incarnated. Cayce said he was not coming back until sometime after 2100 as I recall. So, DW's source told him. Big deal. I don't care if you believe it or not, what I do care about is this hypocritical attitude that when some of you want to say something that cannot be proven as a FACT then it's ok, but when others say it and you disagree then some, like Karelia made a post about being disappointed in people presenting their opinions as facts and treating others who disagree with disrespect. I am glad DW has helped some of you. I find all this fawning over him and his work like it's something new a bit much. Why have people left Avalon? Because of my way or the highway attitudes that don't allow for divergent views. It's very easy to have friends when everyone believes the same thing. It's wholly different to be friendly with those whom you disagree, but it can be done when it comes from a place of mutual respect and love.

    Karelia said, "But in the meantime, this attitude of "It's either me or the highway" only speaks of a lower consciousness for the world to see."

    When is that applicable? Those words were not uttered but the energy was the same. "Period, end of discussion" LOL

    And for the record, I completely expect when someone expresses their views they believe they are correct. I am just baffled by this seeming attitude by some when it's about something you disagree with then the person is arrogant or pushy, but when it's a topic you agree with then it's just "right".

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    In short, what do you do with a tick?
    Bird food. (Just couldn't resist, modwiz. ) Going, going, gone... ........................................
    I like it. I am sure the crows and vultures would be pleased.

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    What Then,

    Will be when all lightworkers and wayshowers kick into action working your lights and showing the way foreward to all our brothers and sisters and families who are in shock and in a state of confusion.

    What then

    assist in cleansing our mother earth and learning about our new technology

    What then

    Have a party and enjoy peace on earth.
    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    Quote Posted by modwiz (here)
    In short, what do you do with a tick?
    balance it with a tock

    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
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    Notice I call for amnesty and peace and have forgiven the Elite and see no reason to put them in jail.
    You make no sense. How do you forgive someone for something they are still doing, with renewed vigor and urgency, and are nowhere near being contrite? I reiterate. You make no sense. You do exhibit an odd sympathy for the currently active criminals. Something is not right here and it is not about you being compassionate. Your remarks for the non-criminals demonstrate that.

    There is something very wrong with your comments, taken side by side. Anger at the wronged and forgiveness for the uncontrite and still active wrong-doers.

    Something is rotten in Denmark.

    You might want to read some of my many posts. I am on record as not believing in punishment. I consider it a childish emotional reaction. Self defense and 'disposing of garbage' are very different concepts. In short, what do you do with a tick?

    Since I have made my point(s) many times I will not again. Having to address every new member who presumes to opine towards another member who has put considerable time into being a known quality would be a tedious task.

    Your overall post was very thoughtful and well put.
    Modwiz, point well taken, I understand your dilema. Please note that in the same manner that you don't have time to explain to every new poster your stance, I don't have the time to go back and re-read everyone's past posts, lol. I do try to get a feel for where posters are coming from as time permits, but with so many members it's impossible for me to go back and read everyone's threads. This is a common disadvantage for all forum members. And as you probably all ready know, it's often difficult to convey one's true meaning behind a post when they are not standing in front of you giving you the message. Your previous post above gave the impression that forgiving was something difficult for you, in which I truly understand why you would feel that way. My response was merely an option to help not only you, but others consider a different approach, nothing more.

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    I have never once heard of someone looking like someone from the past as meaning anything about them being re-incarnated.
    Serenity,

    Check out my post above where I list the institute which studies reincarnation. Dr. Semkiw has been studying this topic for I believe 30+ years. I'm pretty sure on his site he explains how people look like their past incarnations. It's complex and I am not skilled enough to explain, I only know of it's existence. But you will find many case studies on there where the person looks like their past incarnations. You probably haven't heard about someone looking like their past incarnate because it is not a topic that is often covered in mainstream, but the information is out there. So just because you haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. What I find interesting about DW case is the fact that his zodiac chart matches exactly with Edgar Cayce's and the probability of that is like 1 in a cazillion so if I were David that would definitely get my attention. Not trying to bust your chops, I do understand your viewpoint. Just take a look at that site and after surfing through it, you still don't believe, well than I'm ok with that too.

    I only say what I say about reincarnation because I have had my own experience with a past life identity and I have learned how to look for objectives that help in the identification process. So ya, I'm sold on it based on personal experience. It kinda falls under that premise that until it starts happening to you, it's hard to believe.
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