Drake and Teri - a contrary view.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by white wizard (here)
IF you always focus on the negative that is what will manifest itself into your
life. Let go have fun enjoy yourself because in the end no matter what happens we will always be conscious beings experiencing consciousness in
one form or another. You choose how to experience it don't forget that.

I'm really tired of the innuendo that anyone who sees a different reality than the rainbow skies and lollipop visions is creating a negative world. I think it's assholes who create a negative world, and it's people recognizing assholes who make a conscious effort to shine the light of truth on it to eventually stop that behavior. At one time it was perfectly acceptable to treat some people a certain way, to call them names etc. and it was through effort of those speaking of that negative truth that caused much of society to stop behaving that way. It was facing reality that changed it, not ignoring it and claiming to be seeing a better world that changed it.

Reality bites, but that's life.

Let me put in anther way, If a rapist with a knife in his hand is three feet behind a woman in a dark parking lot and I pretend not to see him will the rape just not occur? Now, If I see the rapist headed that way and yell out and he runs away, have I not helped her via my seeing truth? Reality just is.

BTW, I am all for doing work in astral to put forth positive energy into the world.... people still are assholes though at this time.

[white wizard]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by white wizard (here)
IF you always focus on the negative that is what will manifest itself into your
life. Let go have fun enjoy yourself because in the end no matter what happens we will always be conscious beings experiencing consciousness in
one form or another. You choose how to experience it don't forget that.

I'm really tired of the innuendo that anyone who sees a different reality than the rainbow skies and lollipop visions is creating a negative world. I think it's assholes who create a negative world, and it's people recognizing assholes who make a conscious effort to shine the light of truth on it to eventually stop that behavior.
BTW, I am all for doing work in astral to put forth positive energy into the world.... people still are assholes though at this time.

I agree truth will set you free, because the only way this can go on is

through deception. I think people need to be careful though putting yourself

into one perspective of absolute love and light or absolute hate, fear and

deception will just keep you trapped in duality. The big thing I have learned

to understand is not to take sides on either one but to understand these

both are tools for learning that is it. You have to remember we all chose to

experience this on one level or another and had it not served some purpose

for our spiritual evolution then we would have never left the source to come

down here and experience it for ourselves.

[aranuk]

Turiya is a man. Look at his profile. So many of you refer to him as a she.

Stan

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks Stan, I did go with the reference of others that Turiya was a she. I will make adjustments to that...... I do appreciate truth.

[pilotsimone]

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[Unified Serenity]

Posted by pilotsimone (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Turiya is a man. Look at his profile. So many of you refer to him as a she.

Stan

This sparked a similar thought I had recently.

I was surprised to learn Unified Serenity is a man. The username, picture, and quote in his signature "Well behaved women rarely accomplish much" did not support such a thing in my very conditioned mind.

I am learning (slowly) not to assume gender anymore based on these things.

Where did you get the idea that I am a man? I don't think sex matters because the mind is what is sharing and not our genitals. I am a woman.

[pilotsimone]

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[Unified Serenity]

ok, you really are stereotyping yourself now. I am a lesbian, and I have a wife.

[pilotsimone]

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[YvonneG]

This is really interesting. My ONLY intention is to get fair and equal time for someone who is not here to stay her side, since she is after all the one Turiya IS attacking. It is also to give the perspective from someone who knows personally people who ACTUALLY know Teri. This is not about Drake per se. It is about the attacks made on Teri. For all I know I could be wrong and I can admit that. But if we allow all the negative almost slanderous stuff from Turiya with no rebuttal, shame on us....

And I also don't be believe that everyone has ganged up on Turiya. Why not also say that she has ganged up on those of he/she calls guillible.
But for sure, this has now devolved into some thing very off of the point I have been trying to make.

And your statement here, Unified Serenity, about facts. What facts, anonymous posts on forums? Has Turiya listened to the freedom reigns shows to hear all of it...Teri's facts and documented evidence? No, because she didn't like the sound of her voice...This is are not facts. Her body told her she can't trust Teri. This is not a fact. My body tells me something else as does my heart and my several hours a day of meditation which I spend to clear out my head and brain from all the information overload. I have listened to all the shows. Am I right, Idon't know for sure. But I am not coming from a reaction that had because my body doesn't like Teri or her voice.

And honestly, I tried to have a human to human communication with Turiya and she has not responded.

I won't be posting again until Teri herself addressing publicly.



Terri and Drake have made themselves public figures by actions and talking about them via facts is very appropriate.

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I find the personal attacks on Turiya an interesting group dynamic. I believe she is providing information as she has found it and I put it in the box of "Drake information" along with everything else I discover, I do not condemn or verify it as such until I have satisfied myself. I encourage anyone who appreciates Turiya's comments and information to show some support because this does appear like a pile on by those who are strong supporters of "Drake" and want to shut her up. Some tolerance and love and light expression by those who disagree with her would be nice.

I have very strong views on sovereignty and I have direct experience going back to the early 90's in this movement. None of the stuff Drake talked about is new or ground breaking. I heard the EXACT same story all those years ago. I have personal knowledge of people going to prison over this stuff and I also have personal knowledge of others being entrapped to assist the government in building a case / entrapment. I do believe this is yet another move to divide and conquer the patriot movement, to shut it down before it gets much traction, and I would not be the least bit surprised if some "wacko" does something and the media runs the story that the person is in the "sovereignty" movement and they just killed X number of innocent men, women and children (Think Oklahoma City bombing of the Murrah Building which was a false flag). The militia movement died and to this day the average person still believes Timothy McVeigh blew that building up..... roll on the floor laugh out loud time. I support Turiya bringing info forward and think the ad hominem attacks are tactless and rude. Terri and Drake have made themselves public figures by actions and talking about them via facts is very appropriate. Posters on forums real name issue is a red herring meant to derail a thread. I could post any name and claim it's my real name, you would have no clue.

[Unified Serenity]

It's quite alright PS. I hope you don't mind my shortening your name. I have been open about my partner on the forum. She is also a member named Khaleesi. You are alright in my book!

[pilotsimone]

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[Unified Serenity]

Ok, I am not trying to be Turiya's protector, but I will speak to the truth as I see it. I have been on the receiving end of a group of people not liking my views on this forum and others. Most often the attacks are ad hominem and just meant to try to shame / pressure someone by group dynamics to stfu. Heck I was even told to STFU and get off of a forum not that long ago because they didn't like my pov..

Everyone is entitled to believe whatever they want to believe. Everyone is entitled to share those views respectfully on a forum. I call it piling on when several individuals take on a poster whom they disagree with and start making accusations such as:

So, here is what I have so far in regards to the “piling on” as I called it:


Turiya has been called a troll:


“Is this a form of obsession or just mere trolling? “


Alluding to being a disinfo agent rather than just accepting Turiya is stating their views


“You have an ulterior Motive I am now convinced. “


Yelling at Turiya often a tactic to intimidate:


“OH I SEE THAT YOUR INFORMATION COMES FROM SUCH TRUSTWORTHY FORUMS AND SUCH...

DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW TERI OR SOMEONE WHO DOES? DO YOU PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE THAT SHE HAS HELPED? WHAT DO YOU KNOW...THE H-ECK WITH INTUITION. WE ARE ALL WARPED AND INFLUENCED BY OUR "BRAINS' PROGRAMMING". “


Again, calling names “Troll”


“Think about it, if Teri was here and able to defend her self, the troll wouldn't be working so hard if at all. “




Alluding to Turiya not being wrapped to tightly:


“you are quite obsessed “


Now, Turiya is in league with the “Dark ones” which goes to character assassination all because someone doesn't like her posting what she has found online:


“You are serving the dark one's “


Dismissing Turiya's opinions as less valid than theirs:


“And I surely agree with we-R-one. I don't like doing this, but I have no choice, because anyone coming here that is not as wise as we-R-one could just believe you since you have posted so much and so obscenely in my opinion. “








Accusing Turiya's expressing her concerns as a “witch hunt” which is a label we have been conditioned to shy away from people who do this:


“You have gone on a witch hunt “




I did not think it was wise for Turiya to accuse people of being gullible. We all believe what we do because we see truth in it. Time will tell what the real truth is. Many of Tim Turner's fans would say the same things of Terri that are being said of Turiya. It nothing more than trying to control a forum and shut someone up. State the facts, leave out the accusations of those raising the issues. If you don't like their views as Modwiz has stated then there is the "ignore" button. I happen to want to hear everything, and I want it presented with links to verify the sources whenever possible. I think every truth seeker on this forum can make up their own mind as to what the truth is, but if they are wrong they have to deal with it just as I do when I am wrong.


I have stated my opinions thus far on Drake and the sovereignty messages. No need to beat a dead horse.

[YvonneG]

I won't enter into any further conversation about any of this. I wrote a post trying to have a real communication between Turiya and myself to get out of this or that and into our humanness. No response yet and several interesting post defending her. It was never my intention for any of this. I got really upset when I saw all that Turiya had put up, with photos and such without doing a full "investigation". And I over-reacted. I am not going to continue with this.

Here is the closet thing to a fact about some this from someone who personally knows Teri:


I have nothing back from Teri so I don’t want to say anything in her name, but this organization she belonged to was NOT what it was supposed to be and she got out when she realized it. Turns out she was right because it WAS investigated by the FBI. This was years ago as far as I know

[Lost N Found]

Thank you YvonneG, I have read so much from this Turiya and it all does appear nothing more than a obsession of hate for Teri. I suppose there is the same stuff going on about Drake with no real research being done. I do know something about Turner and have done research there so am very grateful for your view point. Please keep up the good work.

[Lost N Found]

Posted by YvonneG (here)
I won't enter into any further conversation about any of this. I wrote a post trying to have a real communication between Turiya and myself to get out of this or that and into our humanness. No response yet and several interesting post defending her. It was never my intention for any of this. I got really upset when I saw all that Turiya had put up, with photos and such without doing a full "investigation". And I over-reacted. I am not going to continue with this.

Here is the closet thing to a fact about some this from someone who personally knows Teri:


I have nothing back from Teri so I don’t want to say anything in her name, but this organization she belonged to was NOT what it was supposed to be and she got out when she realized it. Turns out she was right because it WAS investigated by the FBI. This was years ago as far as I know

Yvonneg, thanks for this. I am another that has gotten out of this organization of deception. You are right in stopping the arguement with Turiya. There are so many people that refuse to see the big picture and become enamored with small boxes. This is what has been happening to all of humanity for so long.


For this Turiya to blatenly state that Teri's voice "makes my stomach turn" is nothing more than a very prejudice remark or hate unfolding in front of our eyes. It is the same as saying, that person has a lazy eye or a ugly growth on their back so I don't like them and they make me sick. This does not mean that the Human being does not have a soul or that they are quite spiritual. Where is the love? Do we as one chop are arms off because we don't like them? Where is the compassion, what happened to blow this one mind apart, to lose ourselves?

[modwiz]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Turiya is a man. Look at his profile. So many of you refer to him as a she.

Stan

It must be a new addition. Turiya was an it for awhile. I am glad he has decided to reveal that much of himeself. BTW. Thanks for the heads up. He will stay on my ignore list.

[Chester]

Posted by TURIYA (here)

Posted by we-R-one (here)
And one more thing....remember you are dealing with souls at different levels down on this planet. Not everyone is going to be perfect. We all have our lessons to learn. Judging one another is where we get in to trouble. Hypothetically, even if Teri Hinkle is bad news, which I have no idea, .....how do you know she's not playing a role to teach someone else a lesson. It's a game down here, it's only a game.

Totally agree with you.
With that being said: How do you know I am not here to teach, or to learn
whatever lesson I am here to learn?

Please learn it then - we heard your concerns and the more you pile on - the less credibility you have which makes all your arguements useless - Please

[frozen alchemy]

I'm just gonna dip my toe in here, but has anyone mentioned or realized that the Teri (Terri, Terry) Hinkle (Hinckle, etc.) that is being discussed here as a pyramid scheme artist may not be the one that is on the Drake shows? I have a rather unusual first name and surname and yet if I google it, turns out there are over 20 people in the US alone with the same name, most with the same middle name, also. That said, some of the information being posted here is wandering the line over into slander and the amount of digging and 'investigation' having been done is downright creepy.

THAT said (phew), I'm outta here.

[NancyV]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
I'm just gonna dip my toe in here, but has anyone mentioned or realized that the Teri (Terri, Terry) Hinkle (Hinckle, etc.) that is being discussed here as a pyramid scheme artist may not be the one that is on the Drake shows? I have a rather unusual first name and surname and yet if I google it, turns out there are over 20 people in the US alone with the same name, most with the same middle name, also. That said, some of the information being posted here is wandering the line over into slander and the amount of digging and 'investigation' having been done is downright creepy.

THAT said (phew), I'm outta here.

I wasn't going to say anything since I don't often like to talk about people I know in public or discuss their personal lives, but yes, Teri Lynn Hinkle is the same one who spoke with Drake and was involved in the GMS company. I listened to the Drake interview and heard Teri. I have spoken with her multiple times over a period of a couple of years when we worked together. I can also tell you that although Teri and I do not agree in many areas and have had our run-ins in the past, I do not believe that she did anything criminal when she worked for the company that she and I both worked for. I do think there may be a further investigation and she may have problems or at least inconveniences because of the investigation since she was one of the top 4 people in the company. I was part of the staff and not in a managerial position. Of course there were a few thousand very unhappy people who collectively lost millions of dollars in this company. To this day I don't know for sure if it was fraudulent all along or if the CEO was telling the truth. I do know there were some blatant lies that I found out about later.

The fact that Teri may be involved in an investigation (which won't be in the past until the statute of limitations expires) should not invalidate her involvement with Drake. Obviously she believes in what she's doing. I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful. If they are successful I'm also not sure I'll like what they want to replace the present system with, although it probably would be better... at least for a while until those with a bit of power find out they LIKE power and want more. It's human nature and why we're in the situation we're in now. But it would be exciting to see things change so radically so I wish them success in their endeavors.

Even though I personally do not get along with Teri and am not happy with some of her past actions and behaviors, I am still fair enough to say that she is an incredibly hard and dedicated worker and I'm sure she has volunteered a LOT of time and put in huge efforts to help further this cause.

I hope we can stop talking about Teri since I'm guessing her role in this Drake group is probably a relatively minor one such as a helper and organizer for the cause. She is a great organizer. I'm pretty sure she doesn't personally have any insider information other than what she hears from Drake and others as she had no insider contacts when I knew her, but a couple of years have passed and now she may know a lot. She became very passionate about the Restore America movement and Ted Turner's group a few years ago and started devoting most of her time to it when the GMS company failed. Now she's helping Drake's group and whether I like her or not, I'm sure she is a great asset for whatever group she is working for.