Drake and Teri - a contrary view.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by NancyV (here)
I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful.

My personal hunch, with even less knowledge to back it up than I figure you have , is that we're being fed a story to help us "make sense" of some events that are or will be going down. It's a story, intended to calm those who will listen. It will continue to resemble parts of what is really going down, enough to distract us or to mislead us in directions useful to the bastards in power, but without revealing any critical insight or knowledge. The story will continue to "shape shift", as events unfold, and as those behind the scenes watch our reactions.

The real danger (for the bulk of us who are not special persons of interest) in the monitoring of the Internet is that it enables them to see, in detail, how such stories are reverberating through the online crowd, so they can continue to fine tune the story and the delivery. Like a farmer working a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep, the focus is usually on the group, and only on the individual animal when it gets too far out of line.

What's really going on, I fear, is we're being moved to a new barn.

I can see the dim outline, the shadows cast, of the changes happening on a world wide economic, monetary, energy, political and military scale.

What I can't see even dimly, and what might be critical to understanding what's going down, are two things: whether any major upcoming earth impacting celestial event is known by the bastards in power, and what role extraterrestrials may be playing in all this. Those are two potentially huge unknowns. I read with interest, but without conclusion, the comments on this forum of others who might have some awareness of these.

There are also larger underlying topics, my ignorance of which constrains my efforts on the more specific questions above, such as:

• The scope of human, living and cosmological history, both earthly and galatic,
• a clear understanding of physics and the spiritual, and
• the layered, cyclic and/or fractal nature of reality (realities?).

(Oops - guess I am straying off the Drake and Teri topic here - sorry.)

[Ishtar]

Thanks, Paul. At last, some common sense (well, apart from the ET bit! )

I was taken in by this to start with, but I've been pulling out fast, the last few days. I don't want to go from the frying pan into the fire. And there's no such thing as a bloodless revolution, even if those leading the revolution say that it should be peaceful. They won't be able to control it, once the status quo starts to unravel, and it will be used as a cover to settle old scores.

(And PS, such a shame when someone expresses a contrary view and backs it up with references that he is labelled a 'troll'. This is a discussion board, isn't it?)

[Hervé]

Here is from the guy who got shot dead for having had a dream of freedom and peace for everyone involved:

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Martin Luther King

[Ishtar]

We're all in Plato's Cave here ... tied up, in the dark, and facing a wall upon which the puppet masters are throwing different shadows.

In this kind of scenario, it's stupid and dangerous to argue about which shadow is the 'white hat' and which shadow is the 'black hat', as we're entirely at the mercy of those pulling those strings behind us, who've trained us in what each shadow means.

All we can do is go with our gut instinct and follow that ... not what others tell us to think, or try to bully or intimidate us into thinking, or threaten to excommunicate us from the club for thinking. Instead, we can only put our trust in our own body's inbuilt intelligence and early warning system.

It took a while for me, at first, but now the bells, klaxons and sirens of my early warning system are going off big-time about this.

This isn't the revolution I've been waiting for.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
This isn't the revolution I've been waiting for.

yeah .

[Maia Gabrial]

I'm a SOVEREIGN and damn proud of it! I haven't done anything criminal unless you call speaking out against the criminals in DC wrong.....Last time I looked, the Constitution guaranteed my free speech. The DC clowns have done away with the Constitution, but the rest of us haven't. So, we'll be going after then in due time....

Being SOVEREIGN is a GOD-given right which means you are a king or queen in your own right, answerable to no one but yourself.... That's what bothers the clowns....

[Unified Serenity]

Thanks for the post Paul, it's the same thing I have been seeing and it is in keeping with their pattern of behavior. I think we are going to be finding all kinds of difficulty in the not to distant future, and we will move rather happily into our new zoo. Well, most of us will, others just won't and well.....

[Rogerc]

The new age movement started four years ago?
It started in the seventies and this is just an extension. Trouble is you guys think in your egotism that nothing happened before you graced the planet with your presence

[aranuk]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Thanks for the post Paul, it's the same thing I have been seeing and it is in keeping with their pattern of behavior. I think we are going to be finding all kinds of difficulty in the not to distant future, and we will move rather happily into our new zoo. Well, most of us will, others just won't and well.....

Hi US you seem to be gaining nay sayers by the week. If you convince us all here, what will we renew our hopes upon? Negative thinking? Intellectual masterbation? Proving who has the best argument style? Subservience to the cabal oppression? In your first sentence above who are you referring to when you say it is in keeping with their pattern of behaviour? In your second sentence I would suggest that the difficulty you see is going to be greater if we don't start the clean up. Who is it you say is going to move happily into our new zoo? You and the nay sayers of the big clean up? You did say WE.
Who is the others that just wont?
IMHO I think if this big clean up was not to happen we are all ****ed. The only other possibility would be a rescue operation from hencewhere.

Stan

[YvonneG]

Thank you for NancyV. It makes more sense then anything I have heard yet, including what I wrote. I apologize to everyone, including Turiya, for I reacted majorly, because I have become tired of people find stuff on the internet and then just thinking it is true. And I also know very good people who personally know Teri and goodness now NancyV has come forward. Anyway, having a word fight does no one any good and surely drains my energy.

I notice that Turiya has not posted since I stopped challenging him or whatever it was I was doing.

Blessings
Yvonne

Posted by NancyV (here)

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
I'm just gonna dip my toe in here, but has anyone mentioned or realized that the Teri (Terri, Terry) Hinkle (Hinckle, etc.) that is being discussed here as a pyramid scheme artist may not be the one that is on the Drake shows? I have a rather unusual first name and surname and yet if I google it, turns out there are over 20 people in the US alone with the same name, most with the same middle name, also. That said, some of the information being posted here is wandering the line over into slander and the amount of digging and 'investigation' having been done is downright creepy.

THAT said (phew), I'm outta here.

I wasn't going to say anything since I don't often like to talk about people I know in public or discuss their personal lives, but yes, Teri Lynn Hinkle is the same one who spoke with Drake and was involved in the GMS company. I listened to the Drake interview and heard Teri. I have spoken with her multiple times over a period of a couple of years when we worked together. I can also tell you that although Teri and I do not agree in many areas and have had our run-ins in the past, I do not believe that she did anything criminal when she worked for the company that she and I both worked for. I do think there may be a further investigation and she may have problems or at least inconveniences because of the investigation since she was one of the top 4 people in the company. I was part of the staff and not in a managerial position. Of course there were a few thousand very unhappy people who collectively lost millions of dollars in this company. To this day I don't know for sure if it was fraudulent all along or if the CEO was telling the truth. I do know there were some blatant lies that I found out about later.

The fact that Teri may be involved in an investigation (which won't be in the past until the statute of limitations expires) should not invalidate her involvement with Drake. Obviously she believes in what she's doing. I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful. If they are successful I'm also not sure I'll like what they want to replace the present system with, although it probably would be better... at least for a while until those with a bit of power find out they LIKE power and want more. It's human nature and why we're in the situation we're in now. But it would be exciting to see things change so radically so I wish them success in their endeavors.

Even though I personally do not get along with Teri and am not happy with some of her past actions and behaviors, I am still fair enough to say that she is an incredibly hard and dedicated worker and I'm sure she has volunteered a LOT of time and put in huge efforts to help further this cause.

I hope we can stop talking about Teri since I'm guessing her role in this Drake group is probably a relatively minor one such as a helper and organizer for the cause. She is a great organizer. I'm pretty sure she doesn't personally have any insider information other than what she hears from Drake and others as she had no insider contacts when I knew her, but a couple of years have passed and now she may know a lot. She became very passionate about the Restore America movement and Ted Turner's group a few years ago and started devoting most of her time to it when the GMS company failed. Now she's helping Drake's group and whether I like her or not, I'm sure she is a great asset for whatever group she is working for.

[aranuk]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful.

My personal hunch, with even less knowledge to back it up than I figure you have , is that we're being fed a story to help us "make sense" of some events that are or will be going down. It's a story, intended to calm those who will listen. It will continue to resemble parts of what is really going down, enough to distract us or to mislead us in directions useful to the bastards in power, but without revealing any critical insight or knowledge. The story will continue to "shape shift", as events unfold, and as those behind the scenes watch our reactions.

The real danger (for the bulk of us who are not special persons of interest) in the monitoring of the Internet is that it enables them to see, in detail, how such stories are reverberating through the online crowd, so they can continue to fine tune the story and the delivery. Like a farmer working a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep, the focus is usually on the group, and only on the individual animal when it gets too far out of line.

What's really going on, I fear, is we're being moved to a new barn.

I can see the dim outline, the shadows cast, of the changes happening on a world wide economic, monetary, energy, political and military scale.

What I can't see even dimly, and what might be critical to understanding what's going down, are two things: whether any major upcoming earth impacting celestial event is known by the bastards in power, and what role extraterrestrials may be playing in all this. Those are two potentially huge unknowns. I read with interest, but without conclusion, the comments on this forum of others who might have some awareness of these.

There are also larger underlying topics, my ignorance of which constrains my efforts on the more specific questions above, such as:

• The scope of human, living and cosmological history, both earthly and galatic,
• a clear understanding of physics and the spiritual, and
• the layered, cyclic and/or fractal nature of reality (realities?).

(Oops - guess I am straying off the Drake and Teri topic here - sorry.)

Paul it comes down to this: Nobody on this forum knows what the **** is really happenning with regard to the big clean up operation that Drake speaks about. It is all about hope on our part unfortunately. I hope it succeeds and when it happens I hope we can manage to deal with all the problems we will face. You refer to this operation as a story You do not know it is a story. You say we are FED a story what makes you think that? Have you got "insider" information? I have. My insider information comes from my heart and my information tells me this is NOT a story it is real.
If you haven't got anything to give inspiration to the people here, please keep your negative thoughts to yourself. This is all starting in your country who are allowed to own guns for Christ sake. We in Britain have only cudgels to bear. If this clean up fails, we are all ****ed. The ET's will have to help us.

Stan

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Paul it comes down to this: Nobody on this forum knows what the **** is really happenning with regard to the big clean up operation that Drake speaks about. It is all about hope on our part unfortunately. I hope it succeeds and when it happens I hope we can manage to deal with all the problems we will face. You refer to this operation as a story You do not know it is a story. You say we are FED a story what makes you think that? Have you got "insider" information? I have. My insider information comes from my heart and my information tells me this is NOT a story it is real.

True - none of us on this forum know (so far as I know.)

I too hope it succeeds, -if- it is heading toward replacing the bastards in power with good honest folks working in our general best interest.

My insider information is no better than yours .

Posted by aranuk (here)
If you haven't got anything to give inspiration to the people here, please keep your negative thoughts to yourself. This is all starting in your country who are allowed to own guns for Christ sake. We in Britain have only cudgels to bear. If this clean up fails, we are all ****ed. The ET's will have to help us.

No.

I'm about figuring things out, and doing what I can to provide a forum where others can figure things out, from their various evolving perspectives and contributing their various insights and knowledge.

Neither of us knows that all that needs to be figured out is postive. I will not censure, nor condone others censuring, what we share here with each other to "postive and inspirational only". That's just another variation of Political Correctness, so far as I can tell.

[foreverfan]

I found this on the web. I hope it helps.



I'd love to believe it but at this point it's so hard. I've told quite a few people to look for something soon. I have no insider information. Only Sabrina posts anything remotely creditable.

Looks like we don't even have Hope anymore.

[Chester]

My mistakes and my apology
I am fairly new to the forum. Due to recent difficult personal experiences that relate to our collective current conditions (referring to the 99% which I am one of), instead of reading more and learning more, I jumped in too soon. I want change so bad that I felt I had to take a stand against Turiya as I thought Turiya’s comments were divisive and I believe we need to stand together as much as we possibly can. I also leaped to the conclusion that Turiya might be some “bad guy” intending to dampen enthusiasm from something I have emotionally invested in.
I always tell my kids to try their best to take the high road. In my comments aimed at Turiya, I did not. I apologize to Turiya and the rest in the Avalon Community. Unified Serenity made some good points that helped me see my mistakes so thank you, US
I wrote this comment before Post #50 from YvonneG and thought the timing was quite interesting…
And now in Post #51 Stan says how I feel – It’s about hope and no one likes their hopes dashed in something so darn important as this

[aranuk]

Drake has said repeatedly that afterwards the people will be able to decide who will represent them, most probably for the first time without TPTB insisting who they choose.

IT IS heading towards electing good folks and that will be the job for the people for the first time.

Stan

[modwiz]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by NancyV (here)
I don't personally believe that what Drake is predicting will come to pass although I am watching with interest. My opinion about these mass arrests, etc. is not an opinion with any knowledge to back it up so it's worthless to anyone else. I simply find it quite far fetched to think that they will be successful.

My personal hunch, with even less knowledge to back it up than I figure you have , is that we're being fed a story to help us "make sense" of some events that are or will be going down. It's a story, intended to calm those who will listen. It will continue to resemble parts of what is really going down, enough to distract us or to mislead us in directions useful to the bastards in power, but without revealing any critical insight or knowledge. The story will continue to "shape shift", as events unfold, and as those behind the scenes watch our reactions.

The real danger (for the bulk of us who are not special persons of interest) in the monitoring of the Internet is that it enables them to see, in detail, how such stories are reverberating through the online crowd, so they can continue to fine tune the story and the delivery. Like a farmer working a herd of cattle or a flock of sheep, the focus is usually on the group, and only on the individual animal when it gets too far out of line.

What's really going on, I fear, is we're being moved to a new barn.

I can see the dim outline, the shadows cast, of the changes happening on a world wide economic, monetary, energy, political and military scale.

What I can't see even dimly, and what might be critical to understanding what's going down, are two things: whether any major upcoming earth impacting celestial event is known by the bastards in power, and what role extraterrestrials may be playing in all this. Those are two potentially huge unknowns. I read with interest, but without conclusion, the comments on this forum of others who might have some awareness of these.

There are also larger underlying topics, my ignorance of which constrains my efforts on the more specific questions above, such as:

• The scope of human, living and cosmological history, both earthly and galatic,
• a clear understanding of physics and the spiritual, and
• the layered, cyclic and/or fractal nature of reality (realities?).

(Oops - guess I am straying off the Drake and Teri topic here - sorry.)

Paul it comes down to this: Nobody on this forum knows what the **** is really happenning with regard to the big clean up operation that Drake speaks about. It is all about hope on our part unfortunately. I hope it succeeds and when it happens I hope we can manage to deal with all the problems we will face. You refer to this operation as a story You do not know it is a story. You say we are FED a story what makes you think that? Have you got "insider" information? I have. My insider information comes from my heart and my information tells me this is NOT a story it is real.
If you haven't got anything to give inspiration to the people here, please keep your negative thoughts to yourself. This is all starting in your country who are allowed to own guns for Christ sake. We in Britain have only cudgels to bear. If this clean up fails, we are all ****ed. The ET's will have to help us.

Stan

It's OK, Stan. One of the reasons the bastards are buying so much ammunition is because we are armed and they are sh!tting themselves. My guess is that ammo never gets to final delivery, if it even gets made. I can't be the only person in the USA who thinks both strategically and tactically. That's a lot of ammo to be sending out for delivery and it has to come from known places of production. All of the draconian decisions of late are the products of panicked minds. It is all thrashing.

Here is an excellent link to go to and read. It is a synopsis of the various factions, white/grey/black hats and their leaders. I found it a worthwhile read. Is it all correct? I don't know. History is for us to create/write, this is just the way the chessboard might be set up right now.
http://www.2012portal.blogspot.com/

A relevant snip:

"Positive Military. This is the most powerful positive group on the surface of the planet. They have developed the Plan for planetary liberation with unseen assistance from the Resistance Movement. Around three quarters of the military agrees with this plan and this is sufficient critical mass for this plan to become reality. Drake is their public representative.

Most of this group is not aware of the “unseen friendly hand” of the Resistance. Some of those in high positions are well aware of their Resistance contact but will not admit it as it is still classified information.

This is a loose group without a leader and their main motivation is to restore sovereignty and freedom to human population, especially in the US."

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Drake has said repeatedly that afterwards the people will be able to decide who will represent them, most probably for the first time without TPTB insisting who they choose.

IT IS heading towards electing good folks and that will be the job for the people for the first time.

Stan

A. We have to get there

B. They have to keep their word

C. The people have to act civilized and from what I am reading in the news if this happens this year, there will be sheer pandemonium as much of the things that make society civil will not work and thus it will come down to morality. Have you read many moral stories lately? I'm very sure there are good people, but..... lots of others just don't seem to want to live in peace, nor do they know how to take care of themselves, thus panic, mayhem, pillage, and plunder comes to mind. I know... such a naysayer... I say truth seer.

[modwiz]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Drake has said repeatedly that afterwards the people will be able to decide who will represent them, most probably for the first time without TPTB insisting who they choose.

IT IS heading towards electing good folks and that will be the job for the people for the first time.

Stan

A. We have to get there

B. They have to keep their word

C. The people have to act civilized and from what I am reading in the news if this happens this year, there will be sheer pandemonium as much of the things that make society civil will not work and thus it will come down to morality. Have you read many moral stories lately? I'm very sure there are good people, but..... lots of others just don't seem to want to live in peace, nor do they know how to take care of themselves, thus panic, mayhem, pillage, and plunder comes to mind. I know... such a naysayer... I say truth seer.

C. That is our, the people's, territory. Will we be able to stop pandemonium? Probably not completely, but we should be able to have a huge impact in curtailing it. What we have in our favor are the many people we have shared our kooky conspiracy theories with. We kooks are a known quantity to many of our friends. They will seek our counsel and this then becomes a force multiplier for calm, or at least controlled underwear soiling.

By having more people somewhat informed than might be the case without all of this pre-knowledge, the chance for the majority to want calm will help produce it. Most cities will be hell-holes, but they are already, it is just not out in the open. They will be contained cauldrons and will find their own balance, their very concentrated natures will keep them from affecting the country at large. IMO. Again, this is our job. To prevent panic and have answers for those who need them for their sanity.

Having the guys with guns and badges bust into the hornets nest is phase one. Taking control of the airwaves is next and then calming the citizenry and preventing anarchy is the last part of the first part. After things settle, rebuilding begins. The psychic and working environments will have shifted profoundly allowing for a new way to do things and we better have some ideas.

The luxury of pessimism will no longer be an option. Reality will be in our face, so our opinions will not matter so much. Those who have a clue will act. We all have diverse talents and a triage method of applying them would probably be best.

[Hervé]

I can't help but keep coming back to the "Orion Model" (at 00:25:30) and doing the dirty job for "them"...

That is, getting rid of the intermediate layers who have some inklings of some of the scenari:

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

I told him that their current plans were not good because the science was so faulty that even if you used multiple germs that those people had already received the vaccines on, that the number of people left alive were likely to overwhelm all defenses and overrun and kill the perpetrators.

“That means us, doesn’t it?” he asked.

Rice was shifting uncomfortably in her chair--apparently she knew that her family was not on that list.

I said, “Yes. And I don’t think that you can improve the research quality at the Labs without inspiring a culture of honesty in them first.”

[...]

Anything anyone learnt from Egypt or Lybia? Syria now?

[Ishtar]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
I can't help but keep coming back to the "Orion Model" (at 00:25:30) and doing the dirty job for "them"...

Anything anyone learnt from Egypt or Lybia? Syria now?

Yes, they lead from behind. They make it look like a grass roots uprising but it's supported from behind by a hotpotch of corporate vested interests of NATO countries hardware and Al Quaeda local knowledge and intelligence.

However, if they think they can lead us from behind, I think they've miscalculated and misunderstood the minds of the 'New Agers' because they don't understand what underpins our thinking. Most of us are involved in deep spiritual practices from which we realised, long long ago, that we are sovereign unto ourselves. We don't need a piece of paper from the Hague to tell ourselves that, and we also don't need a change of government to experience it.

If there is to be a real natural revolution from the grass roots upwards (and few, if any, are), I thnk the spiritual teachers amongst us need to be able to continue to teach that re-empowerment of the individual from the inside out, to help people find their own sovereignty. Instead, what Drake and Wilcock are proposing are 24 hour, wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media, replacing the existing wall-to-wall DVDs on the mainstream media. This is so-called 'enlightenment' from the outside-in.... just more brainwashing in other words ... just another narrative to replace the old one which doesn't work anymore.

I count myself as one of those spiritual teachers, as I teach shamanic journeying here, where I live. But I won't be able to practice if there are riots, as we saw here last summer, by those who jump at the chance to take advantage of any perceived chink in the armour of the establishment. These people are not interested in the sovereignty of the individual. They are not interested in inner empowerment or self realisation. They are interested in getting the latest trainers.

Where most riots usually start with a political protest demonstration and end in looting, this one bypassed the political protest and went straight to the looting, and they burned down huge areas of their neighbourhoods in the process. It was mainly the small, local shopkeepers that suffered and many lost their shops altogether. The police lost control .. it was too big for anyone to get a grip on as it spread from city to city like wildfire through the use of mobile phones ... and innocent people were trampled on, and some died.

We are being manipulated to do this revolution for them... and apart from the fact that I don't like being manipulated, if I am to be manipulated, let it be by people who know what they're doing. These guys plainly don't know what they're doing. Trying to herd those who come under the loose umbrella term of "New Age" is like trying to herd cats. We're much more like cats than dogs. Where dogs have masters, cats have staff ~ so they say!.

To conclude, it's my view that an undemocratic change of government (because let's not mince words, that's what is being proposed) will not help people to become more self-empowered from the inside out. It will not help them spiritually. It will not help the evolution of their soul.

There will just be an exchange of one set of DVDs for another set of DVDs, as we get 'moved to another barn'.

That's why I'm against it.