Drake and Teri - a contrary view.

[YvonneG]

This is a response from Drake which pretty much covers alot. I just found it after posting the above. So I guess I lied...this is my last post:

Here is Drake's response on the wram forum:

Permalink Reply by Drake 54 seconds ago

I do NOT entertain Communists nor do I support the Communist organizations such as the UN.
I do NOT offer validity for Turner because he works for our enemies.
Therefore, no debate, no contact, and I hope he does not come into range...he will be shot on sight by me.
The organization is a TRAP offered to get as many patriots as possible to identify themselves. Further, everything offered is not quite complete, thus ALL of the participants have given witness of TREASON and SEDITION by their paperwork.
Our Military will have nothing to do with Turner as he intends to offer up our country to the United Nations.
Because Turner never accomplishes what he says he will, most of the people who were involved are leaving...tired of excuses.
Our group accomplished the whole thing, a majority of states, notification process, and are now moving into the second mission of localization...
Too bad there are still cool-aid drinkers like yourself who can't see reality.
>Restructuring our government and cleaning up the mess is going to be a very large job.
I have been asked by one of the principles to request ALL CPA's to help us in this, they will be called when needed.
>There are several directions that can be taken is the new structure. Our basic 'rights' are to be protected, thus freedom of religion is basic.
We The People must decide to allow all forms of belief systems that are not adverse to our way of life and freedom...no control is allowed, as God says, believe or not as you so chose. This IS FREEDOM.
>No one may 'assume' any office nor offer a new government that is NOT open to voting approval of We The People.
There will be a few 'appointed' office holders. These will be 'temporary' and are designed to keep the government from crashing and causing chaos were it to do so.
>The finance system is to be zeroed out, or crashed. This causes those using financial power to lose all power and will flush out many unknowns who are involved.
The 'financial system' will be revalued by world accounts and private accounts.
>All this is stipulated in the basic plan I have been offering.

This is only the second reply to any Turnerite or Turner group.
It is my last one.

[Unified Serenity]

Ishtar do you realize that your anti-Christian comments sound very intolerant?

So is this where we're being led, back to the Dark Ages of intolerance for those who practice pre-Christian mystical systems?

I respect your right to believe that way, but it does smack of Christian bashing. You cannot prove anything you believe anymore than I can prove the things I believe except by using historical documents and stories.

I have very good reason to believe the things I do based on my own personal experiences just as I am sure you feel the same about your beliefs. I think DW is trying to share truth as he understands it. I don't think that makes him a lunatic, just not very popular with some.

[Ishtar]

Hi United Serenity,

History does show very clearly that the Christian religion is responsible for killing probably hundreds of thousands of people who didn't want to toe the line of the Church. This went on for over thousands of years, since the 4th century AD and the rule of Constantine. Christian armies set fire to the Mystery Groves, where this inner spiritual work was taught, and torched the Library of Alexandria, where all the knowledge and wisdom was housed. Gnostics (who were the Christian mystics) were routed and killed by the thousands. Take the Cathars for example... and the Spanish Inquisition. This is all well documented.

It took us back into the Dark Ages because all the wisdom was lost. It's clear to see in the sacred texts like the Vedas and the Babylonian tablets that the ancients knew that the Earth was round and also that it went round the sun. But through the destruction of the wisdom texts, the priesthood lost touch with that knowledge, and Copernicus was considered a heretic when he reported his observation. Only the Arabs managed to preserve some of it and then brought it into Europe with them in later medieval times.

So to me, those were the Dark Ages, the times of great ignorance when mystic practices like shamanism were driven underground.

I didn't say, and neither do I think, that David Wilcock is a lunatic. He just has different beliefs to me, which would be fine if it weren't for the fact that, as I understand it, his beliefs are going to be on DVDs replacing the existing DVDs that will be telling us what to think. That's when it becomes a problem...

My main point was that I believe that people should be encouraged through spiritual work to find their own truth and backstory rather than having one imposed upon them.

[Khaleesi]

Ishtar please name one religion that has not killed in the name of their religious beliefs. Let's see ... Islam .. oops can't use that one ... Buddhism ... nope can't use that one either. Singling out Christianity is just a red herring.

[Ishtar]

Khaleesi,

Unified Serenity asked why I described the centuries of this millennium in the West as 'dark'. I explained that it was a time of ignorance, and also how that ignorance came about.... through the militancy of the Christian religion at that time.

My whole point has been, throughout all these posts in this thread, to explain how I believe that that all religious thinking (aka telling others what to believe) causes bloodshed and wars.

That's why I advocate encouraging people to find their own truth within themselves, through spiritual practises where they're not told what to believe through DVDs or any other media, but to discover by looking inwards, not outwards. I'm hoping that David Wilcock is not trying to start his own religion through all this.

[Khaleesi]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Khaleesi,

Unified Serenity asked why I described the centuries of this millennium in the West as 'dark'. I explained that it was a time of ignorance, and also how that ignorance came about.... through the militancy of the Christian religion at that time.

My whole point has been, throughout all these posts in this thread, to explain how I believe that that all religious thinking (aka telling others what to believe) causes bloodshed and wars.

That's why I advocate encouraging people to find their own truth within themselves, through spiritual practises where they're not told what to believe through DVDs or any other media, but to discover by looking inwards, not outwards. I'm hoping that David Wilcock is not trying to start his own religion through all this, which, if he is, will be Ascensionist in nature and thus very like Christianity in its dualism.

I agree that people should be encouraged to find their own truth within themselves. My problem is the continual pointing to one religion, namely Christianity, as problematic. IMO all religions are used to control people. This constant pointing to Christianity shows an apparent bias imo. I would prefer a more balanced view.

Khaleesi

[Ishtar]

It was Christianity, more than any religion and at any other time during the past few thousand years, that suppressed the mystical and the shamanic practices of the West. It was carried out deliberately as a control mechanism. In the East, under Buddhism, Hinduism and Shintoism, spirituality was able to remain alive and relevant to a much larger extent.

I think it's important to be able to talk about these things without it being inferred that it is a reflection on those who practise Christianity today, or that the person saying it has a bias against Christians.

In my view, if we can't discuss the role of Christianity in the history of the West, we're going to be suffocated by the same political correctedness that caused the Dark Ages of early medieval times.

[Unified Serenity]

I find just as much preaching by the "New Age" people with their rules of how to be a good human just as alarming for as I have said in the past, those demanding tolerance are often to most intolerant when it comes to those who disagree with them. I also believe what you call Christianity I call name changing by a Roman Pagan leader who found a way to subvert the other pagans he wanted to control and just grabbed onto the name Christianity. In 326 A.D. at the Nicean council they codified what it was to be a Christian and it has little to do with what Yeshua taught. They incorporated every pagan symbol they could, named pagan Goddess Saints and used such to graft in every group possible and when enough power was gained they outright killed those who would not go along.

I do believe the Pagans throughout history have loved blood sacrifice, and I think of the Druid Burning Man which they used criminals and others to satisfy the God's and ensure a good harvest and peace. Power leads to corruption no matter the banner it is under. The Ottoman's, the Roman's, the Inca, Aztecs, Mayans, Indian tribes all killed their "enemies" and justified it in their own ways which often had something to do with satisfying the "gods". The Climate nazi minded folks just called for the burning down of the homes of those who do not support man made global warming. Yes, those who love to sit in the seats of honor do appear to have changed little in thousands of years. They are hypocrites and liars and show their true colors when given enough power.

[Ishtar]

Yes, I agree with much of that.

As Jesus was supposed to have said: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within"... not out or up.

I agree with that too!

[aranuk]

This thread has now transformed into a christian/anti Christian debate.

Stan

[Ishtar]

Posted by aranuk (here)
This thread has now transformed into a christian/anti Christian debate.

Stan

I'm sorry ... that wasn't my intention.

I'm not anti-Christians by the way. Some of my best friends ...an' all that!

We just strayed into discussing the role of Christianity in the suppression of the mystic (aka shamanic) wisdom in the West.

Anyway, let's get back to where we were.

[turiya]

Yes, Yvonne, I have listened/watched a youtube found on the Nevada site. I would tend to agree with you.
The thing is that Life is a process, there is no playbook, no road map, no 'Re-Set the America Republic 101' course that one can take. This whole thing is work in process, it involves evolution in consciousness.

History
You can take it back as far as you want. If the people that left England really wanted to break clean from that oppressive English monarchy government, then they should have left their religious beliefs & conditionings behind them as well - to really make a clean break. Personally, I don't subscribe to any "established religion". Religiousness is a private and personal affair. There is no mass transit express that one can take to get to heaven, to reach to god. All the major religions were established after certain enlightened masters/teachers, that these so-called "established" religions arose from, after they had long left their human bodies. When these people were alive in their bodies and spoke their words, that's when religion was alive. After they are gone, no longer in their bodies, and their words become scripture, then that is when an "established" religion is born. And that birth is a 'still' birth. It is a dead religion. It comes after the enlightened man or woman has come & gone.

Common Law
Starting out fresh with a clean slate would have been better. This is because English common law basics have come out of the Roman Canons, this too is what has laid the foundation of common law within the American society.
The religious right have always been the ones that seemingly were leading the charge when it comes to the issue of sovereignty. Its because they had found that Common law is connected very much with what is written in the Bible. And a lot of editing has gone on with that book (which is another whole story within & of itself).

It goes back to the basics of the Montana Freeman movement, those that were involved in doing battle with the IRS, and the stolen farms & later labeled 'tax protestors' in their attempts to find remedy from the already corrupt court system.

So I am at least willing to give some credit to those that have hung in there to fight the fight, many are still in prison for going up against the massive beast.

Ignorance & incompetence
As I explained previously, the reason for me backing away from attending assembly meetings with RuSA was because of the "Born-Again" Christians appeared to me to be using the restore American Republic as a platform to launch their fundamentalist Christian ideology. I Had to sign a couple forms before I could attend the first meeting. After doing so, the very first thing that was said by the coordinator upon opening that meeting was "This is a Christian organization!"

My response echoed within me. "Say what?!?!" To me, this was not the pronouncement that I was expecting to hear. I mostly observed that first meeting with skepticism. On my second meeting, there was another newbie there that asked a question during a presentation was being given by the coordinator. His question was: "What do we do with all these atheist Muslims? They should be sent back to where they came from."

With this I had to open up my mouth to contest this ignorant statement. And said that I thought his statement was out of line. I told him, and the rest of the assembly, that this organization has to be 'inclusive', not 'exclusive'. And I pointed out the fact that "I have not anywhere found that Thomas Jefferson had ever admitted he was a Christian. I understand that he recognized a higher authority, and that should be enough for anyone."

With that said, I had heard one man behind me say "yeah!". But for the rest of the 200+ people that were present, I felt that a shock wave just went through the membership. After that the coordinator stopped recognizing my raised hand in asking questions. I knew then, that this assembly needed more time to evolve before I would be back there in attendance.

Although I do not attend meetings, I do support the people that are trying to correct the course of this nation. I have not yet found anything said by "Drake" or Teri Hinkle that lays out what is being done on a practical level. The only thing he has laid out is that he will shoot Tim Turner on sight - yeah, "Drake" is the type of man will lead people to a prison cell. With that remark, he is nothing more than an order taking grunt, and best to keep a distance away from this guy, imo.

There are RuSA recordings that are available for anyone to listen to, and get a feel for the subject matter that is being discussed. Here is an excerpt from the most recent meeting where it can be heard that they are discussions going on to prepare for the time when it comes that the de facto literally falls on face.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8Z5k2ykU59Q

The thing is that people are continuously changing at all times. No one comes into this Life knowing it all. Everyone is here to learn. Mistakes will undoubtedly be made. Life is a process. I think we all know in our heart of hearts what is best. Communication is often attempted, and miscommunication will be more than likely the outcome.

Ucadia
You may want to check out what Frank O'Collins has created. It is called Ucadia. It is a society model based on conscious awareness. It is a model that is completely inclusive, to all religions, to all races, all cultures, to all philosophies. Frank knows the history of the Roman Catholic Church (& Jesuits as well), and how deeply related the Roman Canons are to Common Law. He has challenged the authority of the Roman Catholic Church, along with the Order of Jesuits, which he says sits on top of the pyramid, above the Vatican (yeah, I know this is a controversial subject).

Acting through Ucadia, Frank has challenged the authority of these entities, and others, by sending lawful Notices of Dishonor and challenging their claims of having sacred positions of Trust over the people & property of this planet. So far, the results are in. All entities that have received the paperwork have put themselves in dishonor by not responding back. The only entity that has responded back were the Order of Jesuits. The final day to respond to the Notices was December 20 2011. The first day of default judgment, then, began on December 21, 2011.
We are presently in the Year of Final Judgment, and, of course, the final Day of Judgement coincides with the date of December 21, 2012. He is using their own law against them. The Book of Revelations contains the terms of their contract, and it only pertains to the Church, not to us little people as has been taught to us by the Church. Huge disinfo on this to say the least.

I get a feeling that the Ucadia model, by far, has a greater possibility to bring people together on the issue of sovereignty on a planetary scale than a movement that is based on a one religion Christian ideology based platform that claims to be open to all other religions. From the onset the foundation is based upon a false notion that Christianity lay at the center of the Universe.

Just rambling, turiya -*-

[aranuk]

Turiya I agree with everything you say here. I have the PDF of Frank O'Collins. A great read when you have the time.

Stan

[turiya]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Turiya I agree with everything you say here. I have the PDF of Frank O'Collins. A great read when you have the time.

Stan

Yes, alot there to read, I have come & gone from his website(s) many many times. I am still a member. By the way, anyone remember Regan Reedy? This is where Regan has gone, as I heard him on a private conference call with Frank about two years ago. They were talking about going after the Vatican's gold as part of where the funding would come to launch Ucadia sufficiently enough. They also got their own principals to back this.

Yeah, I agree. Got to get back to Ucadia. It makes so much more sense than what can be seen with either side of the present Turner/Drake Sovereignty Movement efforts, as what is indicated thus far.

Cheers. -*-

[Kimberley]

Posted by TURIYA (here)
The only thing that needs to be done is for Drake to re-examine his relationship with Teri Hinkle.

Teri Hinkle's motive, as I have said all along here, is to create division amongst the patriots that want to restore a Republic form of government.

It can be reasoned that Teri Hinkle, in a way, is actually working for the de facto USG - to help prolong this control mechanism from falling on its face. If she was indeed working for a company that was into creating wall street related internet ponzi schemes, then that is a contradictory role, a role that is opposite to the role that she is playing on Freedomizer radio.

First of all my friends please be sure to do your own research on these matters. Do not trust me or anyone else... I do my own research all the time. And I want all following this thread to be clear about something... Teri Hinkle was a member of the Turner group and was "ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth."

TURIYA is obviously here to continue attaching Teri Hinkle.

Also I want you to be aware that the Turner group is also aligned with fundamentalist Christian beliefs. I am not judging any of this just stating the facts.

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Check out this page on the Freedomreigns.us web site : http://freedomreignsusa.blogspot.com...a-exposed.html And go to this page to be able to click on the links in this below paste of the page.

RUSA Exposed

Restore America Plan. Sounds good, doesn't it? Restored America - called Republic of the united States of America. They were called RAP and RuSA. RAP - was a trap and RuSA is a ruse. In the words the host, co-host, and guest for programs on this subject and its puppet so-called president, it's the most carefully black op from the dark side that they have seen. A whole lot of people who listen to Freedom Reigns have been part of it - and some are still part of it.



Teri Hinkle was among the first to be ejected from this imaginary republic – for asking questions and telling the truth. As such, she became a target for lies, and a magnet for others who woke up to the truth about it. Since then, one of her reasons for living has been to inform others who are still involved with – nothing at best – a scam at worst. She has gathered a huge repository of information about this plan that was designed to fail, and the republic that lives only in la-la land – destined to become a cult if it survives at all. She unrolls the story – and lets Mr. Turner bury himself in his own lies – in his own voice – on these programs. Thank you, Teri – for your tireless efforts and your love for others.


Integration Committee click to Listen
Texas Issue click to Listen
The Truth of the Origins of TRAP/RuSA click to Listen
The Truth of the Origins of TRAP/RuSA part 2 click to Listen

History on RUSA Exposed
Follow the link below and read forward in time from this article

Common Sense

And for the record I personally resonate with Drake, David Wilcock, and Ben Fulford and many many others.... I have no gurus although I am sure grateful I have so many powerful friends :-)

Much love to us all!!

[foreverfan]

Does it make sense that Tim Turner is a plant by the TPTW since he is allowed to operate in public. I'm not sure, but I think the Obama administration would look at what he's doing as TREASON.

[Lost N Found]

So then, Turiya you have been involved with the RuSA and obviously have listened to the conference calls and watched videos until your eyes bugged out. Now you are saying that you were moved to get out of this organization because of the religious conotations being fostered upon the groups or assemblies. Well I can agree with you on some of things you state. What I can not get behind is the hate you seem to have fostered for Hinkle and possibly even Drake. All people have something to do and yes we do have to be discerning about what we see. If you have extracated yourself from this organization, is it what you may have picked up while being in it that still lingers in your thoughts?

We all must be together in where we are headed but we all must be very careful to not become lemmings.

I quit listening to the Turner conferenses when all they could do was talk about getting out of debt and how much it was going to cost to do that. I really woke up when the assembly was saying that if you are not one of us and a white christian, you were not going to recieve any help in the dream that they have about "helping people" I do believe that the RAP movement had the right idea at the beginning but then it went south and turned into the same bull that we all live by today.

Thank you for some clarification of your self, Please remember that there are good folks everywhere and most will wake up through themselves.


Love transcends all

[Chester]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
After they get a clue as to our true history - they are going to want some help, including and maybe PRIMARILY spiritual help. Be there for them, Ishtar

I am always there to help people become self-empowered .... but I do it by introducing them to their own set of 'inner DVDs', so that they can become empowered by their own individual story and not one blanket homogenous one that is put out to control people by whoever happens to be in power at the time.

You say 'after they get a clue to our true history' but whose true history is that going be? David Wilcock's? Zechariah Stitchin's? David Icke's? L Ron Hubbard's?

I usually use too many words to make my point and the point gets lost -
Let me suggest this - the education process has to bring forth as much truth that can be proven but has been hidden by those we wish to expose (the targets of these arrests and their henchmen). You don't have to go very far to do this and we have a huge supply of Live People who can testify to the following

The world has been covertly taken over by group of people who apparantly believe they have some right to be our rulers and have created a slave world. We the People have cases against these people and we are in process of arresting them and will adjudicate each one. In the course of our investigation we have discovered vast evidence these people believe they have some "divine" right to be our rulers and to do so in the fashion they have done (surely in the Vatican library alone can be found this evidence as has been reported by many witnesses already).

We don't have to go any further than what can be proven via documents and a great deal of testimony. An education process that reports the case perspective is all that is needed. That will be enough to shatter most folk's paradigms and once that ball gets rolling, each person can freely pursue the rest of their questions and do so for the rest of their lives freely.

No reason to go into the more difficult to prove areas when we have enough we can prove. The alien agenda alone will be a major paradigm shift catalyst that surely the white hats in the military and alphabets can support with plenty of hard core evidence.

We could bring out Carroll Quigley's material for example - the man exposed a great deal of the agenda yet his works only get mentioned in places like this and amongst the awakened.

Thanks for the reply Ishtar - you make great points -

I might add that a lot of intelligent folk have thought a lot about the implementation of this plan. There is going to be downsides as well as the intended upsides in these actions. I am sure that what is intended to be "education" is to bring people up to speed and expose lies and hidden truths we can prove have been perpetrated. Real stuff.

[aranuk]

I thought there was another radio broadcast with Drake tonight, but I don't see it at freedomreigns or wolfspirit radio. Is it on tonight?

Stan

[Chester]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
After they get a clue as to our true history - they are going to want some help, including and maybe PRIMARILY spiritual help. Be there for them, Ishtar

I am always there to help people become self-empowered .... but I do it by introducing them to their own set of 'inner DVDs', so that they can become empowered by their own individual story and not one blanket homogenous one that is put out to control people by whoever happens to be in power at the time.

You say 'after they get a clue to our true history' but whose true history is that going be? David Wilcock's? Zechariah Stitchin's? David Icke's? L Ron Hubbard's? I mention all these names because their 'true history' would be about 'gods on rockets' who came from other parts of our universe to create a slave race of man, in their own image. Is this the 'true history' we want people to be told... that they are slaves made in the image of Enki and Enlil? It's hardly empowering.

Now they say that the 'gods on rockets' are coming again... but this time they're the good guys! Puhleeeese!

David Wilcox, the other day, used an alarmist tactic by saying that the Illuminati was going to "make everyone worship Lucifer". I don’t know if these guys worship Lucifer or not, but for our purposes here, it doesn’t matter: Because just because that cabal of selfish evil people worships Lucifer, it does not make Lucifer evil any more than that cabal of selfish evil people in the Vatican worshipping Jesus makes Jesus evil. (I've written an article about Lucifer here.)

I think that if the likes of the Illuminati are really in touch with the Divine Lightbringer (doubtful!), the communion with such purity and humility will only do them good. But David Wilcock has the typical Ascensionists quasi-Christian view that "Up is Good" and "Light is Better Than Dark" and "Down is Bad" and "Anything With Horns is the Devil". So is this where we're being led, back to the Dark Ages of intolerance for those who practice pre-Christian mystical systems?

Once you're introduced to your own 'inner set of DVDs', (by which I mean, meet with your own spirit guides that exist in other dimensions that are found by going within yourself) you no longer have any need for anyone to tell you who you are and where you've come from, or to join a club of people who all believe they've come from the same place and are going to the same destination, which is what religions are.

In a religion, you are told what to believe by the one person at the the top who claims to have a direct line to God or the gods (spirits). But you can talk to the gods (spirits) yourself. You don't need a middle man. And once you can talk to the gods (spirits) yourself, you become totally self-empowered.

I've been teaching people how to journey within to meet their spirit guides for many years, and one thing I've noticed is that when they ask the really important questions of their spirits like ...

Who am I?
Where have I come from?
Why am I here on Earth?

...they are all shown a completely different backstory. I have never had two people with the same backstory. They all have different types of ancestral spirits who come from a different places .... but NOT different places in this dimension, galaxy or universe. The spirits are not extra terrestrial but inter dimensional... and so are we, and that's the point. If we want our true back story, it won't come from 'gods on rockets' from the Pleiades or Sirius, which are in this dimension. We need to get beyond this dimension, because we are in essence multi-dimensional spirits having a human experience within infinite Space.

Shamanic work is self-empowering because it's transformative. Going into another dimension is a self-transformative experience. Going off-planet or being a contactee isn't necessarily a self-transformative experience in the same way because you're still in this dimension. So you may have had gone to Mars through a jump room, and it may have been an interesting experience. But when you come back, you've still got all the same hangs-ups and baseless worries and fears as you did when you left. You can go to the furthest ends of this universe but you'd still be in this dimension wondering who you are and where you'll go when you 'die'.

We find that going back into history, hundreds of thousands of years ago, our earliest ancestors were in touch with these interdimensional spirits, who gave them the same guidance that the shaman receives today. Christianity stamped out that practice by telling us that the spirits were evil. The horns by the way, that you see on statues of horned spirits (known as 'the gods') were considered in ancient times to be a sign of wisdom ~ not the Satanic.

This is Michelangelo's statue of Moses



So I've just read this back and I guess it does seem a bit like the ravings of a bag lady shouting at the traffic, and I hope you can make some sense of it. :

The bottom line is self-empowerment by working with one's own spirits rather than being disempowered by having to take on a group homogenous backstory prepared for us on DVDs by the powers-that-be...whoever that new ptb turns out to be.

I think that force-feeding everyone with Wilcock's backstory will create religious intolerance which will eventually leads to more bloodshed, and we'll be back where we started.

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Damn Ishtar, we do agree on something!

Gosh!! How did that happen!!

I had to add more - If Ishtar and I met at a cafe and began to talk, we would quickly find we have a great deal in common and we would begin to talk about subjects most people on this planet at this time would never be able to discuss. Those subjects would surely not be a part of the "getting up to speed, educational information." Yet we probably can agree that if a part of the conditioned state of most of the masses could be removed, the 3D - 5 sense - live human beings stuff that CAN be wiped away via a plethora of proof I am certain is in the hands of the white hats now, then we can at least save a great deal of time in getting people to the next level where they are able to more easily get in touch with that vast library of truth within.