Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[bekrah]

I've been following this thread... I would like to share my two cents. (for what it's worth..uh no pun intended).

I like most people here have been very excited about these Drake happenings. However, I have my reservations about the truthfulness of what is being said. Twice now I have contacted freedomreigns, asking for some information about the paperwork filed with the Hague. In a nutshell, I said, if this is a notification process, shouldn't there be a paper-trail of it somewhere? Shouldn't there be record of this "notification"? If there is, can you provide it?

Every response I've gotten regarding this issue says, listen to the next radio-show for more information. I listen to the radio show and it does not answer my question. I just sent another email, to Drake, asking the same questions. I asked if he can provide a direct link to the Hague that shows this has been done. I asked him if this is in the public domain. If it isn't in the public domain, I asked to know when it would be. Hopefully third time's the charm.

There is one thing I would like to add. I continue to remain optimistic. I remain optimistic that there is some truth to what he is saying. However, more importantly, I remain optimistic that these changes are something we as a whole can do ourselves. Even if everything he says is a load of hogwash, I think if we remain positive, it can serve as a catalyst to achieve these results ourselves. We need to remember where we come from. We're made of stars, in our heart of hearts, we're all connected, divine, and we can achieve anything if we truly desire it. Visualize it happening...put the whole of your being into seeing the world become a better place, imagine it like it's already happened, all things originate in thought.

[bekrah]

I did not see this when I posted, thanks for adding. I'll keep my ears and eyes open. Thanks!


Edit: I'm still getting used to the reply function here, does anyone know a quick way to quote individual posts? Is it just a copy paste thing? Meh, sorry bout that.

Nothing was filed with the Hague. The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. That is all that was needed. There was no need to record anything in the Hague. Drake has explained this many times.

And yes we can call magic paperwork, the same as our ORIGINAL Declaration was "magic". Everything that they have done is "lawful" according to the Constitution etc. I now personally know several of the people who were involved in the first state who did this and have worked with DRake for months.

Another Edit: Quick question, can you provide a link to this? (below)

Nothing was filed with the Hague. The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was received.

I think it would help ease a lot of people's minds if they could at least see the proof that it was received, it would sure help me and the people I'm showing this stuff too. Thanks!

[YvonneG]

There is no case. No one said there was a case. There was nothing filed. IT was a notification.

Posted by corson (here)
if you want to know what is going on within the walls of the hague; simply go there.
regards, corson

http://www.haguejusticeportal.net/index.php?id=5535

i have been digging for a case, and i cannot find one. sorry.
corson

[YvonneG]

THANK YOU MOZART...I know the truth, but don't have the language or education you do!

Posted by Mozart (here)

Posted by YvonneG (here)

Nothing was filed with the Hague. The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. That is all that was needed. There was no need to record anything in the Hague. Drake has explained this many times.

Yes, exactly.


And I would not be surprised if the ICJ failed to publish anything along the lines of what Drake is doing. It's my understanding that the paperwork that the people sent to the ICJ was based on the Common Law and there's nothing in the ICJ site that shows that ... on purpose, I suspect, as the ICJ is primarily a color-of-law governing body.


Like the de facto governing bodies here in America, the color-of-law ICJ is built upon the foundation of the Common Law, but the actions today are primarily of color-of-law, so it governs only those who are acting within the color-of-law, legal-fiction and corporate world of "law".


The paperwork that the reconstituted People in the several of the Thirteen Colonies were all based on Common Law. Common Law and Substantive Law trumps color-of-law, always.


And it's time for the entire world to do a reset of their sovereignty and declare themselves sovereign and free from any sort of rule of law based on any sort of old laws going back thousands of years. We can do a reset of a new paradigm of new laws that respect the sovereignty of every damn real, living People on the Land every frigg'n where on Earth.


And the foundation of the new sets of Substantive Laws can be based on the Golden Rule, the Law of Free Will, etc. The details will be sorted out soon enough, as we do live in a complicated world, so it's not going to be smooth sailing to settle into a new paradigm of a new set of ways of us to govern ourselves.

[YvonneG]

We will see the paperwork. Of course, they should show the paperwork openly so the signers can be put in harms way? In some states the paperwork is available to be seen, but here were I live those who did are not known to us yet because they are afraid.

It makes me sad, to be honest, that it seems most nay-sayers that I run across on any thread have not taken the time to listen to all the shows. And instead ask many questions that could be answered by Drake. No offense...just makes me sad.

[bekrah]

Posted by YvonneG (here)
We will see the paperwork. Of course, they should show the paperwork openly so the signers can be put in harms way? In some states the paperwork is available to be seen, but here were I live those who did are not known to us yet because they are afraid.

It makes me sad, to be honest, that it seems most nay-sayers that I run across on any thread have not taken the time to listen to all the shows. And instead ask many questions that could be answered by Drake. No offense...just makes me sad.

That makes sense that they would be hiding it for the sake of safety. I have listened to every show I could find on the subject, I've spent hours on it, (much to the chagrin of some of my less enthusiastic family members) I guess I'm just a firm believer in the idea of trust but verify. I really, really like what he's saying, and I hope it's true. However, I think it's a good idea to verify whenever possible. For me, being able to see that the paperwork had at least been received would be enough verification. I'm not trying to be cynical, I think this is a much needed change, and I'm really exited about it. But again, I'm a believer of trust, but verify whenever possible.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by Mozart (here)
... it's time for the entire world to do a reset of their sovereignty and declare themselves sovereign and free from any sort of rule of law based on any sort of old laws going back thousands of years. We can do a reset of a new paradigm of new laws that respect the sovereignty of every damn real, living People on the Land every frigg'n where on Earth.


And the foundation of the new sets of Substantive Laws can be based on the Golden Rule, the Law of Free Will, etc. The details will be sorted out soon enough, as we do live in a complicated world, so it's not going to be smooth sailing to settle into a new paradigm of a new set of ways of us to govern ourselves.

I think we have a few very bright people here that are looking for an irrefutable legal case that could be won in a modern court. They won't find what they are looking for.

(As I see it) this is a case of using existing laws to extricate ourselves from under the tyranny of the political minions of globalist corporatists and the international banking cabal that owns them. I suspect that the bastards in charge have laws that say they are in power forever. The way I see it, Drake and company are making a case, an argument, to take to a group of 'patriots' (for lack of a better word) within the power/security structure that could and can pull off a political coup. They don't have to win a court case at the Hague, or in the US Supreme Court - they have to show this group of patriots that there is, on paper, not in modern courts, legal justification for the action.

In effect, they declare newer laws null, citing older laws. Whether or not a cadre of lawyers would agree is moot - at this time. Once removed from power, with secrets revealed - heinous criminal depravity and conspiracy - they could not return to power no matter what. This is and is not a "legal" case. They are using law (old law, law that should never have been subverted) as law. I'm fine with that. They have my blessing to move forward on my behalf. I just hope they throw-out all the current judges that would ever hear a case based on this. Those embedded judges are the "get out of jail free" cards for the bastards in power. Remember in the Godfather movie when the Godfather says that some day he will ask a favor? Well, now you know the ace-in-the-hole reason to embed federal courts with people that will be loyal to the Financial Elite.

Bringing that case to a modern US court, with modern (bought-off) US federal judges or even worse, the totally corrupt SCOTUS that blatantly makes up laws to fit their agenda, the case would get thrown out. So, who is right? Where do you place your backing might be a better question.

Dennis

[mountain_jim]

Perhaps only somewhat related to this topic (edit - I see it's related to the immediate post above

the totally corrupt SCOTUS that blatantly makes up laws to fit their agenda

posted while I was writing this one), but Gorden Duff wrote:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04...poil-your-tea/

Our most crippling problem is the lack of a government, particularly the ability of the Supreme Court to go “activist” and usurp states’ rights, interfere in elections, write its own legislation, that and our “money in politics” issue, primarily involving Israeli interference in the House of Representatives is likely to bring about use of emergency presidential powers after the election.

Thus far, one Supreme Court Justice is guilty of tax evasion, another tied to organized crime, both “neocon-activists.” Both face arrest.

[sdv]

Apologies to hammer on, but some of you have no idea what the ICJ or ICC is and what it is does and what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever.

The ICJ does not make or uphold any kind of law at all. What it does do is:

1. Settle disputes between nation states (nation states that are recognised by the UN, but it will accept a case from a non-UN member as well) if requested to do so. It will refer to treaties and charters in making a judgement, but it does not make those treaties and charters and it does not have a law enforcement arm. As I have noted before, the USA is one of the few, if the only, nation state that does not consider a judgement of the ICJ binding (all other countries do).
2. Give advisory opinions if requested to by one of the recognised bodies of the UN. These opinions are not binding.

Look at what Drake said (in one of my earlier posts). Now he is saying something else.

Nothing was filed with the Hague. (First something was and now it wasn't.) The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. (A notification and declaration of what, and what is the proof that it was recieved?) That is all that was needed. (That is all that was needed for what?) There was no need to record anything in the Hague. (Why was there no need to record anything in The Hague, and if there was no need, which sounds like a lame cop-out when caught in a lie, then what was the purpose of sending anything there at all?) Drake has explained this many times.

How is the ICJ a color-[sic]-of law organisation, and why do you say it was founded on Common Law? The ICJ does not base its judgements on Common Law and it is not restricted by the rules of Common Law.

The most ironic thing of this whole debacle is that there are legitimate and existing ways that this sovereignty issue can be dealt with, but instead there is a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Avocadess (here)

We need to take care of getting rid of the darkness on this planet. "As you know, God and Lucifer had a disagreement....I don't know that that is his name....My research in the area and I could not find definitive information on this including access to Vatican....Everybody knows about the Biblical stated idea of good and evil as Biblically stated....This planet is the LAST PLACE where the darkness resides." When we finish that here, "it can no longer exist."

Subtext: Standby for a Good Ol' Boy Born Again Christian witch-hunt.

[bekrah]

Posted by sdv (here)
The most ironic thing of this whole debacle is that there are legitimate and existing ways that this sovereignty issue can be dealt with, but instead there is a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.

You have more info on that? I'd be really interested to hear how that is done. I know next to nothing about this stuff, but I would like to learn. Do you know a good place to start?

Like I said before, if this Drake thing turns out to be a hoax, that doesn't mean we can't achieve the same ourselves. He's right about one thing though, it would mean people have to get off the couch.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

Wait what the heck was drake going to say about global warming before he was cut off in the third hour (i think)???? ARGGGHH!!!!

[aranuk]

There seems to be a lot of distraction here about laws and wording of laws. When tyrrany is upon the land and the people are being abused, and their freedom taken away from them "legally" who gives a stuff about their laws? If policemen are dragging you and your loved ones into a fema camp, do you ask them for proof of the law? They will show you it is written in the NDAA. After the bastards are rounded up we the citizens can make our own laws. Absolutely correct. Drakes speaks about Common Law being used. Why not? Fascist dictatorships make laws to keep themselves in power and to restrict the freedom of the people. Why all these questions about seeing proof of receipt from the Hague? If you people who are so uptight about a legal or lawful reason for this big clean up were true to your colours, why were you not publicly protesting before the NDAA thing was signed by Obama? If you use your seemingly understanding of law more wisely you could be giving your senator a hard ****ing time instead of Drake. Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.


Stan

[Mozart]

<SIGH>


I'm tired of all this talk and debate.


To the US Oath-keeping military and county sheriffs: TAKE ACTION ASAP!


There is only one thing that these bastards understand and it is this: FORCE.


We have to take our Rights, our sovereignty and our freedoms back by FORCE.


But with the least-possible amounts of chaos in the world while changing from one system to another, yet to keep on functioning as a viable society world-wide.


Easier said than done.


So meanwhile, we debate / discuss on ....


As I understand it, the notification / declaration was a notification that the Signatories were no longer under the rule / domination of the color-of-law authorities in America and that the Signatories had declared themselves free.


There was probably more to it, I'm sure, but those two things are the essential ones.


The notification enumerated the numerous abuses, usurpations and criminal actions that were the cause of action for the Signatories to stand up and SHOUT out that they were, in effect, mad as hell and they were not going to take it anymore!


The notification listed the facts of the true nature and cause of the underlying power(s) of the color-of-law, de facto entities that were masquerading as de jure government entities -- in other words, the color-of-law entities were committing crimes of massive fraud.


Fraud vitiates any contract, beit overt, implied or hidden.


The notification listed a number of the massive list of the abuses, usurpations and criminal actions that were committed by the de facto, corporate entities.


The notification listed the cause of action of the Signatories standing up and saying, in effect:


"STFU and listen to us!"


"These corporate, de facto entities who are masquerading as de jure governments to whom we are supposed to delegate our powers that we, as sovereigns, inherently have via our Inalienable Rights and as enumerated in our Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully amended, have committed massive, massive crimes against us and we are mad as hell and we will not take it anymore!"


"Stop -- effing stop -- your criminal actions against us!"


"We have proven the true nature and cause of the legal-fiction, de facto entities who have committed criminal acts against us, the People, with massive injuries to us, the People, and to our property, so we are giving you eff'n bastards NOTICE TO CEASE AND DESIST in eff'n with us."


"So our standing, cause and power of action is to protect ourselves, our children, our properties and our true way of honest American life as sovereign People, so you color-of-law bastards had better CEASE AND DESIST, otherwise will come after you with our guns, pitchforks and hangman's noosies, y'hear?!"


"We the People, the Signatories of the declaration sent to the Hague declare ourselves free and sovereign; therefore, no color-of-law entity has any right, any claim, nor any jurisdiction over us for any goddamn reason."


"We rescind and revoke any signatures that we have with any goddamn color-of-law entity on the basis that all those "contracts" failed to fully inform the signatories of the full amount of material facts that affect each and every signature, thus all signatures to any color-of-law "contracts" are null and void, ab initio!"


So we don't need no stink'n, goddamn filing of anything, listing of anything -- we simply sent them a notification to them stating clearly the nature and cause of our action, plus a declaration of our independence from the color-of-law bastards. Then they (ICJ) gave us a receipt of the fact that they received the notification. That's all. Nothing more.


It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and peacefully support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to go after the eff'n bastards with the force and power of the sovereign people.


"[Edit: I want to make it very clear that I'm not advocating mob violence. What I'm saying is that the people must peacefully and Lawfully support the Oath-keeping peace officers to make the arrests themselves with the support of the US Marshals and the US military.


Peaceful application of the force and will of the People is what I'm advocating to stop and arrest the bastards.


The assistance of the people who may be asked to guard key infrastructure in local areas -- bridges, power plants, etc -- may happen with the combination of pitchforks and cell phones. ]"

[Ishtar]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.
Stan

I think you're missing the point, Stan.

I'm reading these legal queries in various posts as attempts to establish Drake's credibiliity to see if he really is, as you call him, the "saviour of the USA", because he's using a lot of legal-sounding language to stand up his case. It's only right, then, that what he is saying (and he does keep moving the goalposts and some of it does sound like total hogwash) should be examined carefully because if we are to abandon all laws, as you are suggesting, and be in a state of totally anarchy, we need to really sure of what we're doing and who we're following. So far, I'm not....

Posted by Mozart (here)
<SIGH>
I'm tired of all this talk and debate.
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

[Mozart]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

Yes, we don't want mob rule -- I'm saying that we will need to support and back up our county sheriffs in their efforts to arrest the bastards, supported by the US Marshals, supported by the US military ... and supported by the People to guard any critical infrastructure with pitchforks, guns, etc, so that we would not have things blown up.


But if the military, US Marshals and county sheriffs fail to act, then it would descend into mob-rule chaos and I don't want that, either!

[Ishtar]

But with respect, Mozart, going after "the effin' bastards" with pitchforks and ammo was not what was originally signalled by Drake. In his first interview, he talked about peaceful arrests by federal marshalls and only backed up by the military if things got nasty. His message was that ordinary civilians should do nothing ... in other words, we shouldn't get in the way. I'm not aware that Drake is asking for civilian back up further than that... unless he's changed the goalposts again recently.

[aranuk]

The main point to me is that the military in the Pentagon needed some lawful reason to take action on behalf of the people. The present laws in the USA are as such to enslave the citizens and at the same time strengthen the hold of TPTW which gives the banking cabal the upper hand. If there hadn't been some sort of way the citizens could make themselves free of these sinister laws the Military could not act legally. I am sorry if I do not know the laws in the constitution or the bill of rights. I don;t even know what rights I have in Scottish law never mind US law. You sound as if you would understand the law in USA if you could see the right documents. Gripreaper seems to understand the law more than anyone on this forum, I admit. However I still think it is all distraction and smoking mirrors. I believe Drake when he said that all the paperwork had been put in place and that had satisfied the Pentagon people. Who am I to argue with them? If and when the cabalist bastards are rounded up and the currupt politicians too, who will give a damn whether the wording of the paperwork was not up to the scrutiny of Gripreaper and company? I certainly won't, will you? Common law would be adhered to and most of the lawyers would have to find a more useful job to contribute to the new society.

Stan

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Mozart (here)
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

Hi Mozart, I felt exactly like that in my early awakening days, exactly. Upon first recognition of the lies and betrayel I was like "lock and f*****g load baby! This s**t ends here and now!"

Well, you know what mate? Do what you need to do, but I'm going to tell you that is a sure fire path to self destruction. It will consume you relentlessly until either you are physically dead, or there is nothing left of what used to be you.

To boot, you will have changed absolutely nothing, except exposing yourself to an energetic feeding frenzy by the very forces you wish to depose on your way out.

Like I saw a wise person (Wade Frazier) on this forum once say: "Love is the only way out".

Cheers,
Fred

[aranuk]

Posted by Mozart (here)
<SIGH>


I'm tired of all this talk and debate.


To the US Oath-keeping military and county sheriffs: TAKE ACTION ASAP!


There is only one thing that these bastards understand and it is this: FORCE.


We have to take our Rights, our sovereignty and our freedoms back by FORCE.


But with the least-possible amounts of chaos in the world while changing from one system to another, yet to keep on functioning as a viable society world-wide.


Easier said than done.


So meanwhile, we debate / discuss on ....


As I understand it, the notification / declaration was a notification that the Signatories were no longer under the rule / domination of the color-of-law authorities in America and that the Signatories had declared themselves free.


There was probably more to it, I'm sure, but those two things are the essential ones.


The notification enumerated the numerous abuses, usurpations and criminal actions that were the cause of action for the Signatories to stand up and SHOUT out that they were, in effect, mad as hell and they were not going to take it anymore!


The notification listed the facts of the true nature and cause of the underlying power(s) of the color-of-law, de facto entities that were masquerading as de jure government entities -- in other words, the color-of-law entities were committing crimes of massive fraud.


Fraud vitiates any contract, beit overt, implied or hidden.


The notification listed a number of the massive list of the abuses, usurpations and criminal actions that were committed by the de facto, corporate entities.


The notification listed the cause of action of the Signatories standing up and saying, in effect:


"STFU and listen to us!"


"These corporate, de facto entities who are masquerading as de jure governments to whom we are supposed to delegate our powers that we, as sovereigns, inherently have via our Inalienable Rights and as enumerated in our Organic Constitution of 1787, as Lawfully amended, have committed massive, massive crimes against us and we are mad as hell and we will not take it anymore!"


"Stop -- effing stop -- your criminal actions against us!"


"We have proven the true nature and cause of the legal-fiction, de facto entities who have committed criminal acts against us, the People, with massive injuries to us, the People, and to our property, so we are giving you eff'n bastards NOTICE TO CEASE AND DESIST in eff'n with us."


"So our standing, cause and power of action is to protect ourselves, our children, our properties and our true way of honest American life as sovereign People, so you color-of-law bastards had better CEASE AND DESIST, otherwise will come after you with our guns, pitchforks and hangman's noosies, y'hear?!"


"We the People, the Signatories of the declaration sent to the Hague declare ourselves free and sovereign; therefore, no color-of-law entity has any right, any claim, nor any jurisdiction over us for any goddamn reason."


"We rescind and revoke any signatures that we have with any goddamn color-of-law entity on the basis that all those "contracts" failed to fully inform the signatories of the full amount of material facts that affect each and every signature, thus all signatures to any color-of-law "contracts" are null and void, ab initio!"


So we don't need no stink'n, goddamn filing of anything, listing of anything -- we simply sent them a notification to them stating clearly the nature and cause of our action, plus a declaration of our independence from the color-of-law bastards. Then they (ICJ) gave us a receipt of the fact that they received the notification. That's all. Nothing more.


It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

You efin say it as it is Mozart! Couldn't effin agree more!


Stan