Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Ishtar]

Posted by aranuk (here)
I believe Drake when he said that all the paperwork had been put in place and that had satisfied the Pentagon people. Who am I to argue with them?

You, Stan, are a Sovereign person who has every right to question when no proof or evidence is being provided. Even if they could produce the receipt from the Hague, it would be something. But so far, we're being expected to take everything on trust...a bit like religion, really.

Posted by aranuk (here)
If and when the cabalist bastards are rounded up and the currupt politicians too, who will give a damn whether the wording of the paperwork was not up to the scrutiny of Gripreaper and company? I certainly won't, will you?

That's true. But in order to get to that point, we have to be sure that what Drake is telling us is true, and the only way we can do that is to scrutinise everything he says.

After all, so far, he is just a voice on a radio station to most of us.

As I understand it, that's where all the scrutiny on this thread is coming from... not to a desire to nit-pick for no good reason.

[YvonneG]

Posted by bekrah (here)

Posted by sdv (here)
The most ironic thing of this whole debacle is that there are legitimate and existing ways that this sovereignty issue can be dealt with, but instead there is a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.

You have more info on that? I'd be really interested to hear how that is done. I know next to nothing about this stuff, but I would like to learn. Do you know a good place to start?

Like I said before, if this Drake thing turns out to be a hoax, that doesn't mean we can't achieve the same ourselves. He's right about one thing though, it would mean people have to get off the couch.

People working with Drake have been "off the couch" for many years working on this, which is one reason I can imagine they would waste their time with Drake if he were hoax. What's in My Debt folks, of which Teri is one of them, help and teach people every day with their Debt. And from the looks of it is surely working with CC debt.

[aranuk]

Last night when I heard Drake speak about lots of things, I couldn't help thinking that he would be well at home here on Avalon. He seems just like us in his way of thinking and feeling. In fact it could be like we at Avalon appointed a spokesman on our behalf to be a gobetween the Military and of the people. What more could our dreams have delivered?

Stan

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by Mozart (here)
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

Hi Mozart, I felt exactly like that in my early awakening days, exactly. Upon first recognition of the lies and betrayel I was like "lock and f*****g load baby! This s**t ends here and now!"

Well, you know what mate? Do what you need to do, but I'm going to tell you that is a sure fire path to self destruction. It will consume you relentlessly until either you are physically dead, or there is nothing left of what used to be you.

To boot, you will have changed absolutely nothing, except exposing yourself to an energetic feeding frenzy by the very forces you wish to depose on your way out.

Like I saw a wise person (Wade Frazier) on this forum once say: "Love is the only way out".

Cheers,
Fred

Fred, that is an interesting quote by Wade Frazier. So similar to what I have heard in my head years ago when recovering from confrontational situations. Many times I clearly heard "Love is the only answer."

[YvonneG]

David Steele Former CIA agent video from 2 years ago so what is happening now is truly not so far fetched.

Former spy tells all, keep blogging and exposing pursue Treason charges listen to him here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hGvhK0Pnh-U

this is description on youtube:

Robbert D. Steele, former spy, the son of an oil man, blows the cover off all the mess that is going on. LISTEN UP to what he says, if it's the last thing you do. The government needs to be fired along with the electoral reform system. Spread the News! UNITED WE STAND! DIVIDE WE FALL! We bloggers and those who make videos (vloggers) do make a difference. You are the Paul Reveres and Patrick Henry's of our generation. You are the intelligence minutemen of the age. We have the power. Take it back!

[Mozart]

Thank you, several of you, for your feedback.


I made an edit to my post, to wit:


"[Edit: I want to make it very clear that I'm not advocating mob violence. What I'm saying is that the people must peacefully and Lawfully support the Oath-keeping peace officers to make the arrests themselves with the support of the US Marshals and the US military.


Peaceful application of the force and will of the People is what I'm advocating to stop and arrest the bastards.


The assistance of the people who may be asked to guard key infrastructure in local areas -- bridges, power plants, etc -- may happen with the combination of pitchforks and cell phones. ]"

[Chester]

Posted by sdv (here)
Corson, I know something about law and international law works so when all these claims from Drake came along, I went and carefully read everything about The International Courts in The Hague and it was confirmed: Drake is talking a lot of BS. This is from the first interview:

NOTIFYING THE HAGUE

DK: The person that took the notes was fairly knowledgeable in the real sovereign legalities and lawfulness.

This person took that knowledge, in combination with what I had put together, got with some other people, and they said: Well yeah, let's see what happens.

So, they put together a Process of Notification and they sent it off to the International Court of the Hague.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...urt_of_Justice ]

DW: Oh my God.

DK: This is the Civilian Division, as I understand it, or Civil Division. And they, of course, sent a reply back when they received it, that they had received that package.

The rest of it was a receipt of the intent of the package. They had made a copy of what they had sent, a Certified Copy of the original, that sort of thing.

Now they're sitting on a package there, and the Hague's got one in their records.

DW: Right. So now you have a complete paper trail.

DK: Exactly.

It's absolute rubbish, and this is just one example. The story also keeps changing and keeps on getting more incoherent, as an example:

The Letter Explaining the Basis of the ICJ Documents

This is the legal basis as best I can offer in limited time and space.

Deep subject: How long can you tread water, Noah?

The standard of fact is derived from the action.

Actionable as represented by each of the entities.

The entities hinge on the facts of residents, correct number of factual representatives and the basis of exactly what constitutes the representative number required for the action.



Signatories

[The] coordinator of [the] meeting, secretary, and three agreed cosignatories of witness and agreement, are [the] minimum [required].

I offer that five (5) being the absolute minimum for this; adding two witnesses [for a total of 7 signatories] further renders validity to the action.

All must be signatories to the documents as both participant principals and factual witnesses.

These are requirements according to both our laws and the intended actionable resulting multiplicity of lawful impacts involved.



How It Works

The structure causes the coordinator and secretary to become pseudo-replacements, within the action, for the offices represented, and officially, through notice of action, the temporary true office holders.

As only a notification, the action in and of itself, is a self-replicating authority of its own.

Within the law are [the] confines and open-ended unconfined actions according to the content of the notification itself and its directed impacts. In basis, the notification is writing its own law as stated through the intent of the statement [of the declaration].

This allows for the creation of [an] entity, or condition, or both -- just as a corporation's bylaws define themselves into the law of binding actions within a corporation.

What you are looking for does not as such exist until the actionable notification is presented in factual form.



Differences between Notification and Declaration

There is a difference between notification and declaration.

What was done was a product of both, better defined as a declaration than a notification.

The declaration being the actionable, factual paperwork, where the process is defined as a notification with accepted receipt of delivery.

Look into how a new nation derives its legal basis for notification to the world of its status as an independent state.

This is exactly what was done.

In most cases a representative group of rebels states their freedom from their old government [through the declaration]. Note that it is usually a minority that does so. After the acceptance of the action through recognition by an already standing state, the fact is accepted. As the lawful process is backed by a majority, then a replacement ensues.

This goes to the recognition portion of this process. Our action precludes the recognition portion as it is a full separation or divorcement notification. Because the notification redefines the standing, through the content of the notification itself, the action steps outside the need for recognition. This allows for the pure action.

In effect, allowing several collateral actions within the facts that stand on their own. A multiple [of] results through a singular action -- without going into extraordinary detail and citation involving whole texts -- the above is the gist of the action.



How it is Effective in the Different Realms of ‘Law’

When looking into our actions, I strongly recommend [for you to find] the connective portions of basis in and of law offering the correlation of the several types of 'law'. There is a great deal of redefinition allowing for cross-reference and exception.

However, one should note that as any portion of one is used -- its collateral predecessor and precedent -- are offered as definitive parameters of use and definition. Thus the impacts of action in this usage/definition offers a wide diversity of basis.

The precedent is the derivation and refinement of law itself using all the basis from which it is defined from origin to present.

The reference should be contained in reference definition of international law as applied by civil authority. Add action and you have it.

Huh?

By the way, Mozart, I am a very experienced editor and I recognise rubbish when I read it!

But this whole Drake story is great entertainment value - better than TV!

But if enough folks believe it and this belief empowers enough folks to act - does "law" actually matter? Think about it.

[Chester]

Posted by sdv (here)
Apologies to hammer on, but some of you have no idea what the ICJ or ICC is and what it is does and what you are saying makes no sense whatsoever.

When the subsequent shoes begin to fall (as it is put), the 90% take their (our) stand / rise up, all these questions regarding the details about the paperwork that went to the Hague and how it relates to whomever deems man made laws are superior to universal law will not matter. This point does not seem to get through - all that matters is that the 90% have all they need to take their actions, they are already ideologically on board.

Posted by sdv (here)
Look at what Drake said (in one of my earlier posts). Now he is saying something else.

Nothing was filed with the Hague. (First something was and now it wasn't.) The notification and declaration was sent and there is proof that it was recieved. (A notification and declaration of what, and what is the proof that it was recieved?) That is all that was needed. (That is all that was needed for what?) There was no need to record anything in the Hague. (Why was there no need to record anything in The Hague, and if there was no need, which sounds like a lame cop-out when caught in a lie, then what was the purpose of sending anything there at all?) Drake has explained this many times.

Like all of us likely have done in our lifetime, Drake has sometimes stated what he has later clarified and even corrected. Give him a break. Could you do a better job than the one he has volunteered for and surely risks his life and the lives of his loved ones for? I, for one, thank him from my heart for all his efforts as well as I thank everyone else that has been proactive in trying to make this happen.

[aranuk]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.
Stan

I think you're missing the point, Stan.

I'm reading these legal queries in various posts as attempts to establish Drake's credibiliity to see if he really is, as you call him, the "saviour of the USA", because he's using a lot of legal-sounding language to stand up his case. It's only right, then, that what he is saying (and he does keep moving the goalposts and some of it does sound like total hogwash) should be examined carefully because if we are to abandon all laws, as you are suggesting, and be in a state of totally anarchy, we need to really sure of what we're doing and who we're following. So far, I'm not....

Posted by Mozart (here)
<SIGH>
I'm tired of all this talk and debate.
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

Ishtar, you quote me as saying : as you call him, the "saviour of the USA" I never said such a thing my dear. You even got me in a quote box saying something entirely different. Dont put words into my mouth.

Stan

[aranuk]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by Mozart (here)
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and support our Oath-keeping county sheriffs, our Oath-keeping US Marshals and our Oath-keeping military to GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

Hi Mozart, I felt exactly like that in my early awakening days, exactly. Upon first recognition of the lies and betrayel I was like "lock and f*****g load baby! This s**t ends here and now!"

Well, you know what mate? Do what you need to do, but I'm going to tell you that is a sure fire path to self destruction. It will consume you relentlessly until either you are physically dead, or there is nothing left of what used to be you.

To boot, you will have changed absolutely nothing, except exposing yourself to an energetic feeding frenzy by the very forces you wish to depose on your way out.

Like I saw a wise person (Wade Frazier) on this forum once say: "Love is the only way out".

Cheers,
Fred

Good to see you back Fred. When nasty people are either trying to put you and your family into FEMA camps or trying to silence your voice, sending them Love will not be a good defence at all. You may keep that for better times when you are in jail. At least it will stop you going mad. There is a time and place for everything methinks. Sometimes certain things are in the wrong time line or place. Protecting yourself from evil persuasion by standing in light and throwing out Love is a good way to protect oneself. But when evil is manifest in front of you with a machine gun, boy it's too late for that kind of defence.

Stan

[Chester]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.
Stan

I think you're missing the point, Stan.

I'm reading these legal queries in various posts as attempts to establish Drake's credibiliity to see if he really is, as you call him, the "saviour of the USA", because he's using a lot of legal-sounding language to stand up his case. It's only right, then, that what he is saying (and he does keep moving the goalposts and some of it does sound like total hogwash) should be examined carefully because if we are to abandon all laws, as you are suggesting, and be in a state of totally anarchy, we need to really sure of what we're doing and who we're following. So far, I'm not....

Posted by Mozart (here)
<SIGH>
I'm tired of all this talk and debate.
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

I think Stan has it right.

Let me ask this – how many people here have doubts about the direction in which we, humanity, are all headed (if we are not mostly already there)? How close now is the chip in your head when Icke was telling us 15, 20 or so years ago it was the big goal and why? How close is the life depicted in 1984 when you consider where we were at 20, 30 years ago? Does anyone have any doubts left?

Is it possible that if the Plan goes forward and the BIG shoe actually falls that the problems we may endure would be any worse than this soon to be reality?

Once that chip is in you I can assure you that without some outside intervention, humanity on earth is done, over with, we are cooked. You wanna bet on some savior? This is no fundamentalist christian anything - its about our children and the world we are about to leave them and their children. Oh, and by the way, for the record, if I have to call myself anything, I am a witch but I prefer to be considered just one man - no labels beyond the basic one.

[aranuk]

Yes justoneman, I agree with ya bud. When we are all chipped, it's finished, over, kaput. Fussing and arguing about what was written on wee pieces of paper will not remove the chips. No Sir. We wont even be able to send love or light to anyone, that will be an impossibility. We surely must be behind Drake and the faithful military oathkeepers it's the least we can do to help. We have been complaining about certain evil policemen, military and politicians for years. Now we have the opportunity to side with the good ones at long last. Drake wants to liberate the people and some want to see what's written on wee bits of paper. C'mon C;mon as the song goes.

Stan

[DreamsInDigital]

Fussing and Arguing over "details" serves no better or higher purpose than to divide and weaken intentionally or otherwise. Forget the details, think outside the box and start looking at the big picture and where this High Speed Mag/Lev Train is Going, either you're on the train or you're not. And, I suggest you get your ass on it and we all unify and collectively work together towards pulling this train into the RIGHT station. The Earth is making change, and you're either going with her or not. Personally, I'm not fighting it, I'm enjoying the view and knocking off the potential robbers with my shot gun and stacks of ammo. Nothing and No one is stopping this train it's moving way to fast.

[Ishtar]

Posted by aranuk (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by aranuk (here)
Add something positive to the coming revolution instead of opposing the will of the saviours of USA.
Stan

I think you're missing the point, Stan.

I'm reading these legal queries in various posts as attempts to establish Drake's credibiliity to see if he really is, as you call him, the "saviour of the USA", because he's using a lot of legal-sounding language to stand up his case. It's only right, then, that what he is saying (and he does keep moving the goalposts and some of it does sound like total hogwash) should be examined carefully because if we are to abandon all laws, as you are suggesting, and be in a state of totally anarchy, we need to really sure of what we're doing and who we're following. So far, I'm not....

Posted by Mozart (here)
<SIGH>
I'm tired of all this talk and debate.
It's now time to sharpen up our pitchforks, load up the ammo, pack bags of wrist twisty-ties and GO AFTER THE EFF'N BASTARDS WITH THE FORCE AND POWER OF THE SOVEREIGN PEOPLE.

Just exactly what we don't want ... mob rule with pitchforks...

Ishtar, you quote me as saying : as you call him, the "saviour of the USA" I never said such a thing my dear. You even got me in a quote box saying something entirely different. Dont put words into my mouth.

Stan

So who did you mean by 'saviours of the USA' if you don't mean Drake & Co?

[aranuk]

You seem to be the only person that doesn't understand here. You wrongly quote me and now instead of appologising you come back at me with stupid questions now. saviours is plural, you know what that means don't you? Do you wish to go further here?
You can work it out I'm sure.

Stan

[Ishtar]

Oh I see, I've made a few valid points and because you can't or won't address those, you're nitpicking on a tiny, irrelevant detail.

Well, I don't want to play...

[aranuk]

Thank God!

[thunder24]

Posted by aranuk (here)
Thank God!

which one?

[aranuk]

You choose

Stan

[Lost N Found]

Okay, I am just gonna jumb in here for a moment. Chips in the head? The mark of the Beast? First of all, our or is anyone going to let some psyco place anything in your body without you standing up for that God given freedom? Drake has stated that he still owns a gun and I happen to know alot of folks that have one of those. Not that this has much to do with much that is being said these days but folks will know when they have to stand. I am going to give you some words that were written by Pink floyd specifically Gilmour/Samson, The song is called "LOST FOR WORDS"

"I was spending my time in the doldrums
I was caught in a cauldron of hate
I felt persecuted and paralysed
I thought that everything else would just wait

While you are wasting your time on your enemies
engulfed in a fever of spite
Beyond your tunnel vision reality fades
Like shadows into the night

To martyr yourself to caution
Is not going to help at all
Because there'll be no safety in numbers
When the Right One walks out of the door

Can you see your days blighted by darkness?
Is it true you beat your fists on the floor?
Stuck in a world of isolation
While the ivy grows over the door

So I open my door to my enemies
And I ask could we wipe the slate clean
But they tell me to please go **** myself
You know you just can't win

So to say that Drake or anyone else needs to be vetted is surely within anyones right and we all do need to do our own research but I ask this question, Are we all just beating are fists against the floor?

I totally appreciate the discourse I read on this site. There are some very informative discussions and we all our headed to one place. So to all, Please keep doing what you do

Thank you


Love transcends all