Drake and Teri - a contrary view.

[Chester]

Posted by Khaleesi (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Khaleesi,

Unified Serenity asked why I described the centuries of this millennium in the West as 'dark'. I explained that it was a time of ignorance, and also how that ignorance came about.... through the militancy of the Christian religion at that time.

My whole point has been, throughout all these posts in this thread, to explain how I believe that that all religious thinking (aka telling others what to believe) causes bloodshed and wars.

That's why I advocate encouraging people to find their own truth within themselves, through spiritual practises where they're not told what to believe through DVDs or any other media, but to discover by looking inwards, not outwards. I'm hoping that David Wilcock is not trying to start his own religion through all this, which, if he is, will be Ascensionist in nature and thus very like Christianity in its dualism.

I agree that people should be encouraged to find their own truth within themselves. My problem is the continual pointing to one religion, namely Christianity, as problematic. IMO all religions are used to control people. This constant pointing to Christianity shows an apparent bias imo. I would prefer a more balanced view.

Khaleesi

In defense of Ishtar - there are some differences regarding Christianity that separate it from the other major religions of today. And I am not referring to mystical Christianity but more so to those who tend to interpret text literally. Even the person that Christianity is based upon from the evidence I have gathered was anything but what most Christians are today. Many folks would call that guy a Gnostic and anyone who honestly researched gnosticism would likely conclude that this guy was quite enlightened but by no means some messiah as there is no messiah figure in gnosticism. Yet gnostic texts warn us about those who would promote a religion based on a savior (or a savior to come). I sense Ishtar has an understanding about these matters and I sense she's upset as to how Gnostics were killed off by the Christian movement via the Vatican.

What may really rock the boat here is that the very energies and entities the Gnostics warned us about may very well be the energies and entities behind the formation of the Catholic Church which was the original formal organization to promote so called Christianity. All Christianity stems from this other than Gnostic Christianity which does exist from reports I have obtained.

[Chester]

Apologies for getting off topic - I just realized how far off I got

Turiya - I apologized to you and the forum for being aggressive.

I now must make an observation. You really do seem to have some serious ax to grind against Teri and perhaps Drake as well and I wish you would just explain why?

One of the reasons I say this is that I saw the number of times you have thanked another post - 1 time. wow ... I may be wrong but it seems to me that unless someone is only here for a specific purpose which in your case seems to be this constant campaign against these two folks, that person would at least consider the comments of others. Now I cannot say you have not, but to have said Thanks just one time...

[modwiz]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Apologies for getting off topic - I just realized how far off I got

Turiya - I apologized to you and the forum for being aggressive.

I now must make an observation. You really do seem to have some serious ax to grind against Teri and perhaps Drake as well and I wish you would just explain why?

One of the reasons I say this is that I saw the number of times you have thanked another post - 1 time. wow ... I may be wrong but it seems to me that unless someone is only here for a specific purpose which in your case seems to be this constant campaign against these two folks, that person would at least consider the comments of others. Now I cannot say you have not, but to have said Thanks just one time...

Excellent point. Not exactly good forum spirit. If one thinks so little of what they are getting from the forum, then what is the motivation for being here?

[turiya]

Sorry that I do not fit into your expectations of how a poster should be, here.
I have read enough of those posts that say I am on their ignore list. I see no purpose in making such a statement.
If one chooses to ignore, then simply ignore - nothing need be proclaimed. Such proclamations are ego based.

If one has a problem with how one 'should' conduct oneself, then that is a problem that is not mine.

Please note that I did not create this thread. The thread was created by someone else.
Presently, I am busy researching what other information that I can find to show a contrary view to all those that prefer to blindly accept the unproven allegations of those that my gut feeling tells me cannot be trusted. I do this in between the time I spend working & keeping my bills paid.

The importance of trusting oneself cannot be emphasized enough here. Trust your own feelings in all matters, trust your intuition, get to know the signals that one's body will communicate. It is the transferring mechanism that connects to one's higher self. Trust oneself totally, then being betrayed by others doesn't really matter much. Betrayals will happen only to those that don't trust themselves & their own intuitive sense.

If you think I have put you on an ignore list, then that is your thinking. I do not have such a list. I respond to those posts that I feel to respond to at the time. Again, apologies if you think I am not acting in accordance with the expectations that u have of how others should act.

There is no ax to grind, here, there is only response to what the body is telling me.
These people that are the topic of this forum are working for the de facto. That is what I feel. That is what my body is signaling to me. I have come to trust what my body tells me. Others are free to do the same.

Best regards -*-

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XBkMKnXyAq4

Posted by justoneman (here)
Apologies for getting off topic - I just realized how far off I got

Turiya - I apologized to you and the forum for being aggressive.

I now must make an observation. You really do seem to have some serious ax to grind against Teri and perhaps Drake as well and I wish you would just explain why?

One of the reasons I say this is that I saw the number of times you have thanked another post - 1 time. wow ... I may be wrong but it seems to me that unless someone is only here for a specific purpose which in your case seems to be this constant campaign against these two folks, that person would at least consider the comments of others. Now I cannot say you have not, but to have said Thanks just one time...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TURIYA (here)
If one has a problem with how one 'should' conduct oneself, then that is a problem that is not mine.

Conduct conducive to good discussion is a responsibility shared by all of us.

The poster should not conclude that it is the readers problem if they don't like the manner of posting; nor should the reader conclude it is the poster's problem.

Posted by TURIYA (here)
Please note that I did not create this thread. The thread was created by someone else.

Correct - I started this thread .

[turiya]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TURIYA (here)
If one has a problem with how one 'should' conduct oneself, then that is a problem that is not mine.

Conduct conducive to good discussion is a responsibility shared by all of us.

The poster should not conclude that it is the readers problem if they don't like the manner of posting; nor should the reader conclude it is the poster's problem.

Posted by TURIYA (here)
Please note that I did not create this thread. The thread was created by someone else.

Correct - I started this thread .

On the contrary, I submit blaming someone else for why you are feeling miserable is playing the game of the victim. Saying that someone else is making you feel bad, at the same time, one is also saying that one is not responsible for their own happiness, either.

If feeling good & feeling bad about yourself is dependent on others, then this is living life as a victim. It lies at the very root of those that are not wanting to grow up, of those that are not wanting to become truly mature in this life, and not willing take on the responsibility for the situation(s) that they are finding themselves in.

Living life as such removes the very possibility of being a creator, to create a life for oneself. Instead one accepts that notion that they are living a life that is created by others.

Censorship only keeps people from being responsible for their own actions. Someone else is there that decides what is right/wrong, good/bad. This plays into the nanny state philosophy that people cannot be trusted to learn from life on their own terms.

I submit that taking on responsibility for one's own action is the very basis of being sovereign. Once one decides to take on responsibility, then they have decided that they will be free, because this is a basic prerequisite to living in freedom.

Stop living as a victim, start being responsible, as a matured adult. Start living as a creator. Create your own life. Trusting in yourself, totally, and it won't matter what others say. This is sovereignty. This is maturity. This living a life of godliness.

Living such a life, and you will create a presence for yourself. Others that are around you will feel it, others will be effected by it. Without saying anything, you will be changing this world for the better.

If you are feeling bad about what someone else has said, before breaking into a reaction, try asking yourself, "Why am I bothered by this? What is going on inside me that makes me feel this way?" The same self examination can be done with why certain things people say that make you feel good.

This is living a meditative life. This is living a self-examined life. Socrates had made the suggestion long, long ago. Still most people, here, have not wanted to hear his message.

An unexamined life is a life that is not worth living. - Socrates

Be responsible, and be free from what others say, from what others think about you.
Its absolutely more critical to know what you think about yourself.
If you depend on others, what others think about you. Then know well, you are living life as a slave. And it is out of your own choosing to do so.

Isn't it about time to grow up?
You want to be free? Then this is the first step that needs to be taken.

If most people are then truly willing to take on such a responsibility, then the society as a whole will move to a greater level of consciousness. From being a psuedo-civilized society, to a truly civilized society.
-*-

[ulli]

Posted by Khaleesi (here)
I agree that people should be encouraged to find their own truth within themselves. My problem is the continual pointing to one religion, namely Christianity, as problematic. IMO all religions are used to control people. This constant pointing to Christianity shows an apparent bias imo. I would prefer a more balanced view.

Khaleesi

On this forum bashing Christinaty is PC...bashing Buddhism would be the big nono.

All religions are used to control people- so true. This is because religious adherents have already signalled to the controllers that they wish to project leadership outside themselves and are therefore more easily manipulated, via the media, or cultural events which please memories based on childhood traditions.

But what about those who believe that all religions have elements of truth?
Truths which can be reconciled and still allow for that state of sublime love for the highest. A love which brings one to receiving spiritual nourishment?

Beliefs such as Christ being the only way might have served their purpose in ancient Rome in unifying the community, but in the twentieth century only serve further divisiveness than might be practical. 'No one can come to the Father but through me'....there is another thread there....

This thread is interesting and I can sympathize with all parties, but will pay extra attention to someone who is on everyone's ignore list. Especially since their viewpoint is expressed in a dispassionate manner.
He'll be careful in future about using words like gullible, is my guess.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TURIYA (here)
On the contrary, I submit blaming someone else for why you are feeling miserable is playing the game of the victim.

Well spoken ... however ...

It seems you're saying that if the miserable feeling is entirely with the reader ... then the reader should take entire responsible for that feeling.

True enough that ... I'd agree ... "if"

If you search the web for my past history (seach on "ThePythonicCow"), you might find several years of analytical, rational but energized debate of what really happened on 9/11. I probably got on a few ignore lists during that time. My "just being rational, just looking at the evidence" justifications turned out in part to be "just refusing to look at some underlying feelings of being threatened, some hidden fears", the noticing of which allowed a (modest, I'm sure, but valued by myself) shift in awareness.

As a rule of thumb, when the same tension dynamic recurs several times, with various combinations of the same parties, I figure that the energizing feelings (even if not noticed) are with both "sides." New awareness, from my experience anyway, comes from noticing new (to one's conscious) feelings. My strong logical mind is quite adept at explaining and finding evidence for what I already know; but new awareness has to sneak in the back door, through the gut, the feeling, the intuitive.

[turiya]

all religions have elements of truth?

Yes they do, you can find the truth in their scriptures. Look at the empty spaces between the words and you will find the Truth there. Read between the lines on the pages, and the Truth will be found there.

Gulibility - Gull; from gullet (throat); gole "throat, neck"; root *gwele- "swallow"; gluttire "to gulp down, devour,"; O.E. ceole "throat,"; O.C.S. glutu "gullet," O.Ir. gelim "I devour"; [See] Gull - "someone who will swallow anything thrown at him."
+ -ability - fitness, or capacity
The capacity of someone who will swallow anything thrown at him.

Yes that is what we are talking about.

-*-

Posted by ulli (here)
all religions have elements of truth?

Beliefs such as Christ being the only way might have served their purpose in ancient Rome in unifying the community, but in the twentieth century only serve further divisiveness than might be practical. 'No one can come to the Father but through me'....there is another thread there....

This thread is interesting and I can sympathize with all parties, but will pay extra attention to someone who is on everyone's ignore list. Especially since their viewpoint is expressed in a dispassionate manner.
He'll be careful in future about using words like gullible, is my guess.

[turiya]

A Miserable feeling that lies within the reader is entirely the responsibility of the reader. With this I agree.

If one miserable irresponsible reader encounters another miserable irresponsible reader, then both are irresponsible, both being in unawareness. Escalation, the throwing of each others' miseries onto each other, will often intensify. This is commonly the case.

One throwing out (clearing) one's misery from his mechanism will find momentary relief. However, this will be, more often than not, accumulated back upon the acceptance of the others thrown misery.

All it takes is for one to be responsible (aware) for the battle between two miserable people to swiftly come to an end. It only takes one with awareness to end a conflict.

The non acceptance of the other's thrown misery is enough to suffice. Awareness can be quite contagious. All it takes is one to act responsibly.

The moment that one chooses to become responsible, then he is no longer miserable, misery begins to dissipate.

-*-

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TURIYA (here)
On the contrary, I submit blaming someone else for why you are feeling miserable is playing the game of the victim.

Well spoken ... however ...

It seems you're saying that if the miserable feeling is entirely with the reader ... then the reader should take entire responsible for that feeling.

True enough that ... I'd agree ... "if"

As a rule of thumb, when the same tension dynamic recurs several times, with various combinations of the same parties, I figure that the energizing feelings (even if not noticed) are with both "sides."

[ulli]

You distorted my post by cutting my sentence in half
and made it look as if I was asking the question if all religions have elements of truth.
I did not.
I happen to believe that all religions originate from a divine source but are hijacked after the death of their founders.

Read my post again, and you will see that we were on the same page.


This is what I said: "What about those (people) who believe that all religions have elements of truth?
(Which includes me.)
As opposed to those who believe in one way only, and therefore run the risk of fanaticism.

Posted by TURIYA (here)

all religions have elements of truth?

Yes they do, you can find the truth in their scriptures. Look at the empty spaces between the words and you will find the Truth there. Read between the lines on the pages, and the Truth will be found there.

Gulibility - Gull; from gullet (throat); gole "throat, neck"; root *gwele- "swallow"; gluttire "to gulp down, devour,"; O.E. ceole "throat,"; O.C.S. glutu "gullet," O.Ir. gelim "I devour"; [See] Gull - "someone who will swallow anything thrown at him."
+ -ability - fitness, or capacity
The capacity of someone who will swallow anything thrown at him.

Yes that is what we are talking about.

-*-

Posted by ulli (here)
all religions have elements of truth?

Beliefs such as Christ being the only way might have served their purpose in ancient Rome in unifying the community, but in the twentieth century only serve further divisiveness than might be practical. 'No one can come to the Father but through me'....there is another thread there....

This thread is interesting and I can sympathize with all parties, but will pay extra attention to someone who is on everyone's ignore list. Especially since their viewpoint is expressed in a dispassionate manner.
He'll be careful in future about using words like gullible, is my guess.

[turiya]

The Truth cannot be distorted. The distortion lay in the words.
Any attempt to put the Truth into words will have it come out a lie.

I cut out half the lies. That's all I did.
You are acting as if I literally cut you.

If you are attached to the words you use,
if you are attached to the lies that words propagate,
then that is your addiction. It is not of my doing.

A Belief is but wishful thinking.
Knowing is diametrically opposed to borrowed knowledge.

Yes, we are on the same page.
Sometimes the words get in the way.


-*-

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jbwXpa4_EXk

Posted by ulli (here)
You distorted my post by cutting my sentence in half
and made it look as if I was asking the question if all religions have elements of truth.
I did not.
I happen to believe that all religions originate from a divine source but are hijacked after the death of their founders.

Read my post again, and you will see that we were on the same page.


This is what I said: "What about those (people) who believe that all religions have elements of truth?
(Which includes me.)
As opposed to those who believe in one way only, and therefore run the risk of fanaticism.

Posted by TURIYA (here)

all religions have elements of truth?

Yes they do, you can find the truth in their scriptures. Look at the empty spaces between the words and you will find the Truth there. Read between the lines on the pages, and the Truth will be found there.

Gulibility - Gull; from gullet (throat); gole "throat, neck"; root *gwele- "swallow"; gluttire "to gulp down, devour,"; O.E. ceole "throat,"; O.C.S. glutu "gullet," O.Ir. gelim "I devour"; [See] Gull - "someone who will swallow anything thrown at him."
+ -ability - fitness, or capacity
The capacity of someone who will swallow anything thrown at him.

Yes that is what we are talking about.

-*-

Posted by ulli (here)
all religions have elements of truth?

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TURIYA (here)
A Miserable feeling that lies within the reader is entirely the responsibility of the reader. With this I agree.

What of the (perhaps unrecognized) feelings within the poster?

[ulli]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TURIYA (here)
A Miserable feeling that lies within the reader is entirely the responsibility of the reader. With this I agree.

What of the (perhaps unrecognized) feelings within the poster?

Yeah, Paul, quite right.
Such as attributing someone with over-reactions which didn't even exist, like he just did in his post to me.
I was defending him against the other posters but unfortunately he totally misread me.
Once is ok, but twice?

[Chester]

Turiya - I am pretty confused by your posts, could you please answer these questions.

What exactly are your motivations for your posts?

Also, what are the goals you hope to accomplish by making your posts?

Are anyone else's posts here beneficial for you?

Thanks for answering
justoneman

[turiya]

Yes you can see it almost everywhere, in many posted messages.
People are releasing their pent up emotions. There are many ways to express oneself, i.e. to unburden oneself.
Its quite a good therapy for the tense individual to unburden himself through the written medium. It helps to remove blockages & release emotional garbage from the body.

Unfortunately, much of what is written in the form of therapy for emotional release is not so healthy for others to read. (I see where you are going with this question)
In other words, writing out your rantings in a public forum is probably not the best way to proceed in cleansing oneself. This is because one's emotional garbage can significantly affect others.

In this way, I can understand from this vantage, that there is a need for a certain amount of censorship to ensure the health & well-being of a public forum's membership.
Healer, Chris Thomas, has suggested this as a way of cleansing oneself, because of the new influx of higher frequencies. In order to prepare oneself to receive the higher base frequency of the planet, one needs to vent one's emotional garbage by writing it out - using a pencil on newspaper. He cautions that such writing should not be read back, but should be immediately thrown in the garbage, and not to be reread at all. Hence, the reason for using a pencil on newsprint.

However, it is quite possible for one to reach a level of awareness in order to be not affected by another's emotional rantings. Awareness is the key. Understanding one's own body/mind mechanism is will bring about this kind of awareness, imo.

Take a hint from the Red Neck - Before coming onto the Avalon Forum - make good use of that laundry room!

-*-

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xjbEQcGq7Xo

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by TURIYA (here)
A Miserable feeling that lies within the reader is entirely the responsibility of the reader. With this I agree.

What of the (perhaps unrecognized) feelings within the poster?

[WhiteFeather]

Where is this thread going to? I totally agree with the announcer, Mud is very slippery!
Please dont make fun of the male referee, that would be I. Get a load of my outfit.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GxWrBuMhUa8

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by TURIYA (here)
Unfortunately, much of what is written in the form of therapy for emotional release is not so healthy for others to read. (I see where you are going with this question)

In other words, writing out your rantings in a public forum is probably not the best way to proceed in cleansing oneself.

I suspect I was too cryptic. I doubt you saw where I was going. I will reply via PM instead; that would be a more appropriate venue.

Thanks.

[turiya]

I am pretty confused by your posts, could you please answer these questions.

Well don't feel that you are alone, justoneman. Everyone else seems to be confused, as well.

What exactly are your motivations for your posts?

I don't have any motivations. I have nothing to gain.

Also, what are the goals you hope to accomplish by making your posts?

Sorry to disappoint, I am not a goal oriented individual.

Are anyone else's posts here beneficial for you?

Yes, I enjoy everyone's posted messages here. Thank you all so much. You are all truly great!


Ok, time to get back in that laundry room...

It is said that Bernie Madoff cheated many people out of their wealth.
The fact of the matter is that those that were cheated, wanted to be cheated.

Teri Hinkle rants on & on about being cheated by RuSA. The fact of the matteris she wanted to be cheated.
She was waiting to be cheated. She was looking to be cheated. Whether she was actually cheated is not the issue. She has spun a great story that goes along with her being a victim, of being cheated. Many people identify with her victimization, because there are so many that would prefer to not be responsible for their own self created situations. They would prefer to be crying in their milk and continuously wanting to blame others for why things are not any better for themselves.

The basic fact is that if you simply trust your own self, then distrusting of others will never become an issue.
Teri Hinkle & Drake have been continuously ranting about Tim Turner cheating everyone. Now Drake has said he will shoot TT on sight.
And he's posing as some sort of a leader? This is someone that will only lead you to a FEMA camp. Let the sheople follow.
He is working for the de facto. The de facto is pulling out the stops.

Mass arrests? Ha! And now, there are not going to be mass arrests, but arrests will be singular.

Now, why do you suppose this kind of malarkey is being pumped out to the public. So that all the guys that are supposedly going to be arrested know that they are going to be arrested. Its all spin. Its all to keep the masses preoccupied with hope, with hope-ium. Its a drug inducement.

Drake has taken on Teri's victim-hood persona, and they are working as a team.
The masses are generally quite unconscious, choosing to be victims en masse. they can easily identify with Teri's victimhooded-ness. So be it.

Posted by justoneman (here)
Turiya - I am pretty confused by your posts, could you please answer these questions.

What exactly are your motivations for your posts?

Also, what are the goals you hope to accomplish by making your posts?

Are anyone else's posts here beneficial for you?

Thanks for answering
justoneman

[Dennis Leahy]

I figured it out! Either A or B is true!

A.) Because the alternative community had a brilliant plan that the OWO knew would work - to end the enslavement of humanity and bring down the OWO - and the plan was just about to come to fruition, a major distraction had to be created! Enter Drake. Drake, the master mesmerizer, took us all off our game, and now our window of opportunity is closed. It will be 1000 years of more enslavement for us. Oh, if only Drake had not come along, and we could have actually used our brilliant plan. I mean..., someone here has a brilliant plan, right?

or else maybe...

B.) The OWO could not think of a way to kill-off 95% of us without harming themselves. They thought about it long and hard, but simply came up blank. (We are such clever, unpredictable sheep.) Then they remembered that they have a master crowd manipulator, disguised as an Appalachian 'ol boy, ex-'Nam vet. Enter Drake. The plan is to pretend to arrest a bunch of bad guys. They will all be assembled, then led onto a spaceship, and we will be told that they are going to trial on the dark side of the moon base. They get in. Whoosh! And then, they unleash the virus or meltdown a few more nuclear reactors and voila, they got 95% of us while they were partying on the Upper Atmospheric Love Boat (with little gray waitpersons) while we wretch and die.

One of those HAS to be correct (because this 3D world is actually dualistic.)

OK, so we figured it out. Now, someone grab those brilliant plans and see if we can still make them work.

Dennis

{edit} I do hope people know I'm using satire. If the Elite want us dead, there are plenty of ways. If they want us imprisoned, well... of course we already are.

It makes no sense at all for the Elite to 'employ' or 'deploy' Drake to use against us. Those in the alternative community that feel we need to be attacked and divided are not paying attention. We pose no threat to the Elite other than waking a few people up. Sorry, we're just not important in their game plan. So, poke holes in Drake's words if you must, but my guess is that his one real task was just to get word out that a group of 'patriots' is planning to make a move, and soon, so don't freak out. Any released details are probably sketchy and may include deliberate disinformation - which won't hurt citizens but may serve a purpose in concealing what the patriot group needs to conceal. If it doesn't happen, well, my guess is that it was thwarted behind the scenes. I do think there is going to be an attempt. We'll know soon enough. If I was on the strategy team, I'd announce, "by the end of May, for sure." and then spring it in August, after the 'bad guys' relax. We shall see, and you won't see me say it was BS for quite a while. I'll give them time to pick their own time to make a move.