Free man/woman movement

[Lost N Found]

Well since this subject has been broached, Has anyone heard of "adhesion contracts"? You might tty looking up Winston Shrout, Robb ryder and a whole host of others on the web. There is so much out there about your Strawman, your birth certificate and you name it, it is there. Try looking up HJR 192, Public law 73-10 all done in 1933 and 1934. When you start diving down these rabbit holes you are going to be overwelmed believe me. I have been there and have been a sovereign for a while. Do please use discernment and please learn to own it for yourself. Try Augustus Blackstone and check this web site out www.freedomforallseasons.com

I am sure that there are alot of you that have been down these rabbit holes and bless you all.


Loves transcends all

[thunder24]

does one need to ask permission from another to b free or sovereign!?
Must one follow a law to be free? Who made this law?

[Lost N Found]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
does one need to ask permission from another to b free or sovereign!?
Must one follow a law to be free? Who made this law?

No one does not have to ask to be free or a sovereign, That is your God given right. The thing that happened was corruption of all of this by greed and evil men who think nothing more than how much money they can make or power over another or all. You can research how all this came about. Check, central banking and who owns them, Checkout Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, that is just a start. We gave up our freedoms and sovereignty at birth without ever knowing it. This is called adhesion contracts,, somewhat. Drivers license or any license for that matter is an adhesion contract and we willing give the PTB all of this through a rotten educational system and GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THAT STUPID TV because it is nothing more than a distraction and brainwash tool by the PTB.

We have always been free and sovereign, we just forgot how to hold on to that.


Love transcends all

[thunder24]

Posted by eyeswideopen (here)

Posted by thunder24 (here)
does one need to ask permission from another to b free or sovereign!?
Must one follow a law to be free? Who made this law?

No one does not have to ask to be free or a sovereign, That is your God given right. The thing that happened was corruption of all of this by greed and evil men who think nothing more than how much money they can make or power over another or all. You can research how all this came about. Check, central banking and who owns them, Checkout Rothschilds, Rockerfellers, that is just a start. We gave up our freedoms and sovereignty at birth without ever knowing it. This is called adhesion contracts,, somewhat. Drivers license or any license for that matter is an adhesion contract and we willing give the PTB all of this through a rotten educational system and GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THAT STUPID TV because it is nothing more than a distraction and brainwash tool by the PTB.

We have always been free and sovereign, we just forgot how to hold on to that.


Love transcends all

then give to ceasar that which is his...and b free...its that simple.... Im not saying what will come against u is simple to stand up too.... but the act and understanding of ur sovereign status is simple... it takes no understanding of common law, as this is under "their" control.

[Straker]

Posted by thunder24 (here)
you have in three posts recommended this dudes work, with few posts inbetween.... are u getting any royalties from the work...


Why would u continue to use a system that is still under "their" thumb... "give unto ceasar what is ceasar's" or somethign like that.... u birthcertificate, drivers and social..etc.. that would b a truly soveiregn movement there. Don't play "their" game, by "their" rules. "They" make the rules... people are still going to jail, while argueing freeman/strawman/postman...

what does it mean to practice this way of life?

freedom doesn't take reading a book, it takes one's conscious decision to not play the game anymore...

Not much has changed since Waco and Ruby Ridge...


peace

Hello thunder24,

Thankyou for your input. Remember, this is a thread about the Free man/woman movement, so I would be inclined to believe that any relevant information that is useful for members wanting to study this area is to be posted here.

Yes I do recommend Thomas Anderson's work, which I have studied for many years now, as I think he is one of the most useful and consolidated sources on the topic.

I started with Mary Croft, moved on to Winston Shrout, listened to all that Rob Menard has to say and had written, watched all the Strawman videos, been involved with this topic on SuiJuris about 9 years ago, listened to John Harris (who gets his info from Thomas), watched everything by Jordon Maxwell (who has a set of Thomas's books), Mark Pytellek, Arthur, you name it...there are hundreds of "guru's" out there.

However, I choose to identify with Thomas's books, as I think they are better presented, better written, make sense, and are purely factual, not speculative or misleading, and are not written in 10 different fonts with 15 different colours, using bold, italic, underlined, cursive, and a dozen different font sizes...all on the same page like a lot of people in this area of research do for some strange reason.

To answer your other question, no, I do not get any royalties from suggesting his work, I merely wanted to give people who weren't aware of it the opportunity to access it. Apologies if this upset you, but you have to remember that many people are not as knowledgeable about the topic as others, and you appear to know something about it already.

To answer your other question about "what does it mean to practice this way of life?"

I would first tell people that it is not something you learn, but it something you feel. It is about a conscious decision to accept full responsibility for your own thoughts and actions.

It is about knowing what is real, and is not real, and what a living thing is, and what a legal entity is.

It is about making choices based upon love and care for others, and about letting go of the system of control we have all been born into, slowly and deliberately.

Some of the things that go along with living as a sovereign include surrendering your drivers licence and travelling in peace , closing all your bank accounts and not feeding the bankers, not voting anymore as governments only make policy and not laws, and continue to make wars, being self sufficient and not relying on the system, growing your own food, harnessing your own energy from nature, living in peace and harmony and doing no harm to anyone.

I simply do not participate in the Roman system, their system or whatever anyone labels it, which is sometimes challenging, however it is also very empowering.

People who are doing something wrong, are obviously going to jail.

It is all choice and all about your state of mind.

Straker

[thunder24]

Posted by Straker (here)





Some of the things that go along with living as a sovereign include surrendering your drivers licence and travelling in peace , closing all your bank accounts and not feeding the bankers, not voting anymore as governments only make policy and not laws, and continue to make wars, being self sufficient and not relying on the system, growing your own food, harnessing your own energy from nature, living in peace and harmony and doing no harm to anyone.



Straker

ANY body wanna voice chat on skype sometime about this...let it b known.

I agree these are things that are part of beign sovereign...but strawman, common law, etc....is DISTRACTIONARY. It is only for those that still want to play the game... do u think u can beat them at their own game!?

Its simple. and the above that i quoted from u, is a large part of the simplicity. No everyone does not have the same level of awareness on the subject nor understanding...that is correct... so why make it complicated for them...

Curious, did u surrender ur D.L., close ur accounts, harness ur own energy? I have not, before u ask.



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jailed...--prisons.html

Under the law, debtors aren't arrested for nonpayment, but rather for failing to respond to court hearings, pay legal fines, or otherwise showing "contempt of court" in connection with a creditor lawsuit. That loophole has lawmakers in the Illinois House of Representatives concerned enough to pass a bill in March that would make it illegal to send residents of the state to jail if they can't pay a debt. The measure awaits action in the senate.

[thunder24]

straker,

what do u think of king anthony's materials? do u know where he has been or what he has experienced in life?

A retired Avalon member that has spoken extensively on the subject, given real life situations as example, and presented it for free and simple.

[Straker]

"Curious, did u surrender ur D.L., close ur accounts, harness ur own energy? I have not, before u ask."

Hi thunder24,

Yes, I surrendered my drivers license in 2006, closed all my bank accounts in 2008, bought gold and silver with the fiat notes they gave me, and invested in solar panels, deep cycle batteries and wind power. We also grow all our own vegetables and have 16 chickens.

Sorry, I haven't heard of King Anthony...do you have any links? I've only been studying strawman stuff since 2004.

Straker

[Straker]

I do agree with thunder24, in that the only way to beat them at their game is not to play it. It's like the scene from War Games with the WOPR computer trying to figure out how to nuke the other side with acceptable losses.

The way that I personally stay safe, free and happy, is to exclude thoughts of anything else, hence I no longer study or research the strawman/freeman thing...BUT it's important to know it before you can forget about it, which is why I mention TA's work, as he says the same thing.

It is simply better to attract positive situations through conscious intent, than to dwell upon and attract negative ones through subconscious fear.

After all it is the fear that is your enemy, not the NWO or Freemasons or Government, or Alien Invasion or the boogeyman or any other thing.

I always suggest to people to stop watching the news, stop reading the paper, throw away your mobile phone and start creating your own reality based on what you want it to be.

That's the only real way out of the system.

Straker

[Lost N Found]

Posted by Straker (here)
I do agree with thunder24, in that the only way to beat them at their game is not to play it. It's like the scene from War Games with the WOPR computer trying to figure out how to nuke the other side with acceptable losses.

The way that I personally stay safe, free and happy, is to exclude thoughts of anything else, hence I no longer study or research the strawman/freeman thing...BUT it's important to know it before you can forget about it, which is why I mention TA's work, as he says the same thing.

It is simply better to attract positive situations through conscious intent, than to dwell upon and attract negative ones through subconscious fear.

After all it is the fear that is your enemy, not the NWO or Freemasons or Government, or Alien Invasion or the boogeyman or any other thing.

I always suggest to people to stop watching the news, stop reading the paper, throw away your mobile phone and start creating your own reality based on what you want it to be.

That's the only real way out of the system.

Straker

Straker, you have the right idea, however, most folks can not completely disconnect themselves from the world. There is the private side and there is the commercial side. The big thread of all of this was the concept of having one foot in the commercial side and one foot in the private side. This is called "Secured Party Creditor" where as you become a creditor and take control of your strawman. Essentially you become the owner or controller of that fiction that the corportions created and stole from you as a real living man/woman on the land.

This is done by filing documents into the public stating your sovereignty. Now I am not real sure if all of this works or is a silver bullet. I do know that I have done this process to some degree and the point is to own all of this for yourself and know who you are. This process essentially will put you half in and half out. This has been done by lots of folks and some have taken hits for it because they do not know how to do it right. If you travel this road it could be very hard on you. Remember, when one messes with the commercial side of things then the defacto gets stirred up like a hornets nest.

I totally agree that one has to back away from all of the adhesion contracts and this (to me) has to be done in small steps to stay under the radar otherwise you will become like Jerry Kane and his son or the Waco fiasco or a whole host of folks that have been murdered or thrown in prison. That does sound like a fearful energy and you are right to say to not let that kind of energy be pulled in. So little things at a time.

I do grow my own food and I am researching the things to be energy free. I still have that driver license and pay insurance and am working on that to. Now you can also work on getting your property out from under the County, State and Federal chains. Robb Ryder started some of this and it does work to some degree.

One of the simplest rescention of signatures is to get away from the voter registration mess. Just a few other thoughts, Acknowlegement of your deed is a fairly simple thing to do. Buy the way, your Birthcertificate is also a deed so this process can work with that also. I have found in my research on this road to sovereignty, that by doing the acknowlegement of the Warranty or Grant deed one has to also do the Land patent with it to virtually make this work through a County to get away from the illegal property tax. These are just a few things to do to move yourself away from defacto and into sovereignty.

Thank you

Steven

[thunder24]

Posted by Straker (here)
"Curious, did u surrender ur D.L., close ur accounts, harness ur own energy? I have not, before u ask."

Hi thunder24,

Yes, I surrendered my drivers license in 2006, closed all my bank accounts in 2008, bought gold and silver with the fiat notes they gave me, and invested in solar panels, deep cycle batteries and wind power. We also grow all our own vegetables and have 16 chickens.

Sorry, I haven't heard of King Anthony...do you have any links? I've only been studying strawman stuff since 2004.

Straker

i provided links and videos in this thread... you can also check out his profile page on avalon, and the threads started by King Anthony.

While im sure u know quit a bit about strawman "stuff", it is still theirs and part of their system. If one wants to continue to play their game, then yes common law and strawman would b important to that individual. But if one wants to b truly sovereign, then declare it...inform those that need to know...and live

[Straker]

Hi Steven,

You cannot take ownership and control of something that you did not create. The government created the legal fiction that resembles your name. If you are talking UCC, then forget about it, it's a waste of time. Our children were never registered, and whenever the government has asked why, we've simply explained that Regis-Tra-Tion by definition means The Kings Processing Tool, and also that the Commonwealth of Australia is a legal entity registered on the US SEC, and not a landmass or physical location, so it's impossible to be born there.

Straker

[Lost N Found]

Straker, you are so right about this, The UCC is their game and all that stuff about becoming a Secured Party Creditor is still fiction. I have done the UCC-1 and even went through the Turner docs but none of that stuff appears to do any good in this Matrix. I am glad that you have done what you could for your children. That in itself is a very good beginning for them.

My better free living woman on the land and I a free living man on land are proceeding to rescind the Marriage license. Who ever said the State had anything to do with two humans connecting with each other? All of these "license" are nothing more than adhesion contracts to keep one under control. The thing about all of this treasonous, poison on the free sovereigns of this land is that it has been brainwashed into us from birth and we never knew it. This awakening that is going on now and has been going on for quite some time is going to take time to de-brainwash.

I have been agonizing over the Social Security thing for awhile and looked at the application crap today and got very sick over it. I understand the ramifications of collecting that because one essentially places themselves under the 14th amendment citizenship which places one under the Federal Government as an employee and you know that we all live on this rotten plantation. I did send a rescintion of the power of attorney to the Social Security admin last year and never heard from them for at least 4 months and then recieved some stupid form letter with no signature stating that I could not get out of their system. Said something to the effect that the social security was governed by Title 26 USC which is the Internal Revenue Code. Well you know what that is, ain't no Law. Well all of that is for another topic. I believe Russel Means said it very succinctly.

I am enjoying our conversation and maybe you can direct me to other places to get this done. I have been researching and studying this stuff for years and have good folks that know alot about this stuff, and now you are here also, Thank you

Steven

[Phoenix]

Posted by thunder24 (here)

Posted by Straker (here)
Hi everyone,

I just had a look at Thomas Anderson's e-books for sale on Amazon, and noticed that you can "Look Inside"...so for anyone interested, you can read the first 10 pages of any of his books for free!

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...son+classified

Straker

you have in three posts recommended this dudes work, with few posts inbetween.... are u getting any royalties from the work...


Why would u continue to use a system that is still under "their" thumb... "give unto ceasar what is ceasar's" or somethign like that.... u birthcertificate, drivers and social..etc.. that would b a truly soveiregn movement there. Don't play "their" game, by "their" rules. "They" make the rules... people are still going to jail, while argueing freeman/strawman/postman...

what does it mean to practice this way of life?

freedom doesn't take reading a book, it takes one's conscious decision to not play the game anymore...

Not much has changed since Waco and Ruby Ridge...


peace

One does not simply get out of the matrix by wishing it so. We were plunged into this false reality, so we have to climb our way out, being knowledgeable about the agent smiths along the way..

Consciously, it is a decision in the mind, yes, and I don't fear death, but if I don't figure out how to discharge my student loan debt I will go to prison or screw my co-signer. Just like if others make the mental decision to exit the system, great, but if you are going to just sit there and not use money until you can get on without, you'll die.

Help me understand.

Phoenix

[panopticon]

G'day All,

I will probably listen to this later on but for those interested here's the 'NeXus Netizens Radio Show #9 - Freeman on the Land':

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=L_kfaVnnfCE

I'm not a member at the other forums but reckon LS knows a lot about the 'sovereign individual versus the legal fabrication' so went in search of the interview mentioned earler by Jorr and Maria.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[learninglight]

I have just started looking into this over the last few weeks and boy is it confusing lol

Thanks for starting this thread i'm sure it will help many that are at tip of this rabbit hole, certainly will me

I'm watching Dean C. Clifford 'Both sides of the story parts 1and 2' at the moment and find it quite easy to follow. I'm aware you have to follow your own path but any fed back on Dean would be most welcome

much love

[Lost N Found]

Learninglight, check out Ben Lowry and Winston shrout also, Haven't seen or even heard of Dean C. Clifford so can't comment there. You could also check into Veronica of the Chapman family, she has some very good stuff on being a free woman on the land.

Steven

[gripreaper]

Posted by Phoenix (here)
Just like if others make the mental decision to exit the system, great, but if you are going to just sit there and not use money until you can get on without, you'll die.

Help me understand.

Phoenix

And therein lies the rub. The commercial realm, the fiat system, the de facto courts, the corporate governments, the benefits and privileges of being a 14th amendment citizen, are not easy to extract from. Yes, you can do certain things like Straker and eyeswideopen are suggesting, and minimize your exposure, but to completely extricate? How do you eat? How do you pay bills?

Unless you want to be a hermit living way back in the woods, I don't see how just yet. I am watching those who are attempting to access their estate trusts, but so far that has not been successful. Until you can redeem your bills and access your trust account, you cannot fully extricate from the matrix.

Do what you can, and let the energy move in the right direction.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Here is nigh on a video version of the op by John Harris - It's an illusion

I did post it a while back, but I guess the timing wasn't right.

http://www.bbc5.tv/video/john-harris-its-illusion

[thunder24]

Here is another linked video for all to share....
Truth hurts, but then again, truth has never really seemed to b cared for..

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=4qvhPdNXNJs