Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

[modwiz]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

I was once a Boy Scout. I am no longer affiliated with them.

[Ishtar]

Vivek, it's about half-way through the show... I don't have a transcript but it was quite memorable because of the way the questioner came back in through the 'back door', iow another phone line which wasn't supposed to be operational. He had asked him quite categorically whether he was a member of any Dragon Groups, and Drake then talked about Dragon Groups but didn't commit to being a member of one. So the questioner wasn't satisfied with the answer Drake gave him, and a bit later, came back in again in this unconventional way. Even then, he was told that Drake had already answered that question, but the questioner, quite rightly, insisted that he hadn't and then Drake just quickly said to him "No". Others must have heard it.

[Calz]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

Don't think there is a transcript available ... but here are the links to the mp3s (the 4/22 A and B ... I expect "A" is the one where the caller comments are on but not sure)


http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archi...d=Deatra_Drake

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

Not available yet. It might pay to look/listen at the WHOLE thing, in context.
It's pretty clear on the last 4-hr recording. As I said elsewhere - listen/ read the WHOLE thing or you are peering too closely at the "wood" and completely missing the "tree's". This is but one tiny part - a speculation. We ALL lie. The cake is not yet baked.

[Ishtar]

Posted by Calz_Avaretard (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

Don't think there is a transcript available ... but here are the links to the mp3s (the 4/22 A and B ... I expect "A" is the one where the caller comments are on but not sure)

http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archi...d=Deatra_Drake

Thanks Cal. I'm hoping other listeners will remember it because I really don't want to have to listen to the whole show again.

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Posted by KiwiElf (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by Ishtar (here)
However, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group on the last radio broadcast and because when first asked that question, his answer threw up a load of pink smoke, the questioner had to come back in on another phone line to ask the question again, and finally Drake said 'No'. So he lied ... what else has he lied about?

I missed this, does anyone have the transcript??

Not available yet. It might pay to look/listen at the WHOLE thing, in context.
It's pretty clear on the last 4-hr recording. As I said elsewhere - listen/ read the WHOLE thing or you are peering too closely at the "wood" and completely missing the "tree's". This is but one tiny part - a speculation. The cake is not yet baked.

I did listen to the whole thing, KiwiElf, and heard Drake lie.

[KiwiElf]

You've never told a lie? It's really irrelevant whether he did or not. RIGHT NOW he may not be associated even if he WAS previously. Your "opinion" is valid - but no less or more than anyone elses.

[modwiz]

Since we're mentioning Dragons, how about a:



Do not feed them. I wonder who left 'the gate' open?

[Chester]

Sure Ishtar - apologies for the vagueness -
OK - Just because someone may have been a member of a Dragon society does not mean that person hasn't moved on. I know an ex-mason for example. It's not fair to assume once a member of a society you are always a member. Most Dragon societies I know of don't make you a member for life or threaten you with death if you leave. Sometimes one just realizes they get all they need by direct connection and they go solo. Some Wiccans are solitaire's and practice alone. Same could be true for Drake now and wouldn't surprise me at all. Once you get direct, you don't need that extra identification.

on another note - regarding Drake - I think one has to listen to his broadcasts with your heart and your mind but mostly your gut - listen to how he comes across and make up your own mind if you can trust him or not. I trust Drake but that's just me and my gut feeling. I don't get the feeling he is another Charles.

Could he be taken for a ride? Well, that's possible, but I don't think he's that gullible - this means too much and is far too big for anyone to just make up or to be taken for a ride.

Could there be someone higher in the food chain there that could be a bad guy and have set so many of the military and alphabets up to fall for this? Perhaps but my gut doesn't lean that way and what's left of my brain doesn't think that's very possible, but I have an advantage in knowing a few white hats on the inside so that helps in my discernment.

anyways sorry I did not respond faster, Ishtar - I was reading your excellent posts on The Serpent Cult!

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Posted by modwiz (here)
Then there are some that go so low.

hahahahahaha

[Calz]

Posted by modwiz (here)

Since we're mentioning Dragons, how about a:



Do not feed them. I wonder who left 'the gate' open?

[KiwiElf]

I don't think Mozart will mind, but here are his relevant comments in reply to a question in another post. The key reference to Project Looking Glass:

Posted by AlternativeInfoJunkie (here)

One more question real quick. How do you know that about the good ETs beating the bad ETs and coming to help save us from the bad ones? I'm not questioning your integrity. I believe that you are being sincere. I'm just curious how you became sure that that will be the eventual outcome.

AIJ ~

MOZART: Thank you for your sincere question and it's a perfectly reasonable one.


My certainty of the positive outcome of our world by the end of 2012 is the gestalt sum of the totality of all the information that I've received/learned to date, which has led me to not just believe, but know with a high degree of certainty that our outcome will be a very positive one.


I will list some, but not all of the factors and I'll focus on the idea of positive outcomes, as well as the ETs:


1) The Ra Material. The information in the Ra Material is so astonishingly deep, powerful and uplifting. It assures us that the outcome of the changes of our world will be very positive. It has yet to be found to have an error of any kind, despite 30 years of researchers checking it out and comparing it to the real world.

Just about every single new scientific breakthrough that has happened in the last few decades have supported the scientific information in the Ra Material.

http://www.lawofone.info/



2) David Wilcock's website, information, books and 12-year-long friendship. I've long studied Wilcock's information -- both spiritual and scientific -- and his information has always strongly trended towards positive outcomes, despite how bad things seemed to be out there in the world.

Time after time, the more positive outcomes happened, rather than the really dark, really horrible outcomes have happened ... after David had shared his views on pending events shortly before they'd happen. Wilcock's scientific information dovetails perfectly with the Ra Material, which is also Wilcock's foundation for POV of life.



3) The totality of my reading, research and exploring the realms of life, consciousness and earth changes. I once strongly believed in the idea of massive earth changes, including pole shifts, massive land-mass changes, etc, but around the year 2000, I started to shift decisively away from dark earth changes to far more positive outcomes as I started to really absorb the information from the Ra Material, Wilcock's scientific information, my own research, etc.



4) The information from the higher beings and my own Higher Self has consistently pointed towards positive futures, so I felt far better when I went in these directions, than the dark directions of fear porn.



5) Project Looking Glass -- showed consistently that Timeline One would happen, not Timeline Two. Timeline One is the one that our world would undergo a significant, massive and very positive changes for the better for the common people in the world.

Timeline Two is the dark, catastrophic changes that the dark bastards wanted, so they tried EVERYTHING to make Timeline Two happen, but despite their strong efforts to try to FORCE Timeline Two to happen, they simply could not keep it alive and were totally dismayed to see it fading away every day while the positive Timeline One got stronger every single day, like a fast-growing pot plant that was robust and very much alive.



6) And the lack of really nasty, negative events in the world. If you think that things could not be worse, you are mistaken, as things in the world could very, VERY easily be far, FAR worse ... yet, here we are, in a fairly balanced world that has a rough balance of negative and positive experiences for the world as a whole with an emphasis on the negative perceptions, yet now the pendulum is swinging strongly towards the positive end of the experiential spectrum, thus making Timeline One to become a full-blown reality for everyone on Earth, not just a privileged few.



7) ETs have come to our rescue. The calvary has arrived, thank God, as without them, we would have been cooked, completely cooked, both recently and a long time ago. The ETs are very, very active in assisting us and you'd be astonished to what degree of them assisting and directly intervening on our behalf, as well as quiet assistance over the last several centuries. But they will soon go from direct interventions to full-blown public appearances sometime this year.

The ETs have maintained a quarantine around our planet, so they are able to keep the bad guy ETs out. The vast majority of real ET UFOs out there are the good-guy ETs, not the bad guys; however, the vast majority of sighted UFOs (there's a difference between sighted UFOs and the total number of actual, real ET UFOs, understand) are those of reverse-engineered, Black-Op-built UFO craft that have been built and are flown by humans.



8) And many more reasons.



It's going to be an awesome ride once the damn dark bastard elites are defeated PUBLICLY. Once their dam of denial breaks, the tsunami of truth, facts, true information, monetary abundance, hidden free energy devices, etc, that will come flooding out will astonish the world and this will happen soon, very soon ... well before this Spring is over.


I have NO doubt whatsoever that We the People of the world will win.

[Ishtar]

Aaaah, justoneman, I see...there's quite a lot there...

I have several things to say to that....

First of all, it's actually really difficult to leave one of these groups if they are real and have some deep and hidden magical knowledge to offer. As I'm sure you know, 'occult' means 'hidden', and so it's hidden deep.

Wiccans are not the same thing at all as these Dragon Groups .. the Wiccans are comparatively new.

But if Drake's Dragon Group is one with any substance to it, he will have have to have taken oaths not to leave, and that's treated very seriously. This is because they won't reveal the magical secrets to anyone who won't bind themselves in perpetuity to the group.

There are other groups which don't require this, but then... they don't really have much knowledge or power to impart. Seems to be a rule of thumb, in my experience.

The other real solo fliers, as far as I can see, are those that practice the much older shamanic ways of contacting the spirits. I was reflecting on this yesterday, how odd it feels to be against the status quo and also against this proposed revolution. Talk about solo flier! I wondered if it's more difficult for a man to take a solo stance, because I think men are more clubable than women?

However, I don't require Drake to have left his Dragon Group because, as stated by several posters in this thread, being involved in one of these groups is not necessarily a bad thing.

My point was, I expect him to tell the truth.

I did listen to most of that five-hour broadcast and for me, it wasn't particularly enlightening as much of what he talks about is common currency to anyone who's been walking the shamanic path. We work with Gaia, the spirit of the Earth, and we respect of all life, and we try to always find natural solutions to all our problems by going to the herbs provided by Mother Nature rather than pharma products. I've also been campaigning vigorously about Monsanto and chemtrails.

So there was nothing new there for me (although I was glad to hear that knowledge being disseminated to an audience that may be new to this material) and so it was quite hard to keep awake... but I did wake up when that guy came back in unexpectedly through the 'back door' saying that Drake hadn't answered his question about being a member of a Dragon society, and then heard Deathra trying to get rid of him by saying that Drake had answered the question and the guy protesting 'no he hadn't', and then Drake suddenly replying 'No' quite gruffly.

So this means that he lied ... and even if he had left (doubtful) it would have been an opportunity to explain that he used to be linked to a Dragon Society, but is no longer. He didn't do that.... and that is telling. What else is he trying to hide?

Finally, KiwiElf, you said: "....Your "opinion" is valid - but no less or more than anyone elses. .."

Of course. I never assumed otherwise.

[Chester]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
Aaaah, justoneman, I see...there's quite a lot there...

I have several things to say to that....

...but I did wake up when that guy came back in unexpectedly through the 'back door' saying that Drake hadn't answered his question about being a member of a Dragon society, and then heard Deathra trying to get rid of him by saying that Drake had answered the question and the guy protesting 'no he hadn't', and then Drake suddenly replying 'No' quite gruffly.

So this means that he lied ... and even if he had left (doubtful) it would have been an opportunity to explain that he used to be linked to a Dragon Society, but is no longer. He didn't do that.... and that is telling. What else is he trying to hide?

I heard the same broadcast as you, I also heard Drake try and answer the original question in a complex way - part of that explanation included his reference to dabbling in the dark side or something to that effect - which I took to mean studying black magic and perhaps demonology area that is a part of the occult - thus I did not see him as lying at all when later, when he was put further on the spot and Deatra seemed to try and protect him, Drake actually interjected his No answer and that is when I concluded that he had moved on from his formal affiliations from any groups he may have joined.

I also have to disagree with you regarding the ability to leave a Dragon society. It can be done.

I will add that anyone can tap the "direct resource" we all have within - some may have more capacity than others in ability to access this resource, but every one of these societies that supposedly hold secret knowledge which they will make privy to you but only upon swearing eternal allegiance with threats you will be chased throughout eternity if you dare leave can never reveal more than what each of us already holds within... are to me, full of BS - anyone can change their mind any time they want to.

As for magic - think about this one, how evolved at the soul level is anyone who uses magic to impose their intent upon another? I far more respect someone who would just walk up and express the way they think things should be than go around behind our backs and use magic to impose their intent. That's part of what we are here to transcend IMO but hey, what do I know anyways. Opinion... I probably should have kept to myself, but its late and I get impatient.

Again, great research Ishtar at Ishtargate - justonetiredman

[KiwiElf]

A thought ... a bit beyond Drake...

There are many "Drakes" out there working for the same ONE overriding cause. The world & it's people are saying "we've had enough". Critical Mass. Tipping Point. It is the overall "momentum" which is NOW occurring. It has been happening for quite some time. Only now it is manifesting in greater ways within our collective realities.

This IS the change. It is happening now. There are a zillion little possibilities to this over the next few weeks, months and years simply because they haven't actually manifested yet. That is the future.

It is also all about timing. Charles was a relatively local "event". (Nonetheless, if you so choose, this "negative event" can be a positive thing. We grow. What did you/we learn from this experience? Each of you will have a unique perspective on that - that is your reality - your "perspective").
But Charles was Charles & Drake - and the timing - is different. (Again, check out Project Looking Glass)

This is much bigger and it has an exponentially larger momentum. This is global. Things have changed.

Almost every religious, prophetical, cultural & scientific paradigm is converging to this point in time...

Go with "your" flow. ...and enjoy the ride

[Watching from Cyprus]

Thank you all for very interesting and mind boggling posts. This is not about who is right or who is wrong, but about together searching and hopefully find the truth, which is the reason we are here, isn't it!

Fact is WE HAVE TO OPPOSE THE ELITE/CABAL, and the best and fastest way to do so, is to crash the banking system, by emptying your bank accounts (I understand most are debt slaves and cant do so but they will benefit when the rest of us take what we can out NOW) . Also it is to be understood that most likely the Dollar will be dead by end of this year and so will the Euro. Who ever has income in either of these currencies, should get some physical Silver to get through the transition period (there will quickly come a time when Silver or Gold cannot be used either to buy food etc since Metal cannot be eaten). The Chinese are buying up all the Gold they can with the trillions of Dollars they have on hand, and their plan is to back the Renmimbi 100% with Gold so it becomes the worlds new reference currency. It would be an idea to exchange the majority of your USD and EUR to Renmimbi and hold in cash close by (not in the bank).

Sorry i got carried away ;-)

In Truth Honesty and Love
Peter

[Ishtar]

Hi Justoneman

It's true, we can all tap into that direct source within, and this is what I always encourage people to try to do.

The shaman goes within, in trance, to meet with the spirits in their own dimensions. The Illuminati groups work by ritual to evoke, in other words, try to bring the spirit through the veils into this dimension. There is no trance involved, and nobody leaves this dimension.That is the main difference between the two practices and to evoke spirits within rituals, you need more than one practitioner... you need, usually, at least around six or seven ...sometimes more. It is ritual-based practice, and so in that scenario, you don't have any power as a lone Dragon, because you're unable to bring them through the Veil alone. You need the cooperation of others also trained in the same way.

I'm very glad that you heard that relevant bit of the interview because I was beginning to wonder if I'm dreamed it. I take your point also about Drake answering the question in a complex way ... and respect your point of view. However, I take the view that it was a means to dissemble, in other words, move the goal posts of the question... otherwise, why not just answer the question directly? Yes or no. But that's just my opinion.

[KiwiElf]

This "story" - this metaphor - was told in Peter Pan, and in STAR TREK, STAR WARS, Lord of the Rings, and particularly in AVATAR... the overall "principle" is the same - that's what Drake is getting at, perhaps?

[sdv]

Thanks Vivek. My opinion is that he is following a personal agenda and is not linked to or carrying out the orders of any group other than what he has created. What concerns me about all his lies, half truths and stories is that he can be dangerous and cause suffering. He has easily found followers who defend him and believe everything he says, without requiring verification or using discernment or own thinking (to me, this is what mind control is). How far will he go? What will he require people to do?

[KiwiElf]

Posted by sdv (here)
Thanks Vivek. My opinion is that he is following a personal agenda and is not linked to or carrying out the orders of any group other than what he has created. What concerns me about all his lies, half truths and stories is that he can be dangerous and cause suffering. He has easily found followers who defend him and believe everything he says, without requiring verification or using discernment or own thinking (to me, this is what mind control is). How far will he go? What will he require people to do?

Your opinion, and mine, and everyone else on here is selective perception (google it! hehe). ie, We all see what we want to see... and we are all "guilty" of it. That is human nature. It is also how we learn

[David Trd1]

Been offline for a while and just caught up with Drake and wilcocks latest.

Immense post.thorough and thought provoking.Discussions like these are the reason i joined avalon.

Thank you.