Who is DRAKE: The Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon

[Alie]

Posted by justoneman (here)
This is a great thread - Back to the topic - where are we at?

We all are appreciative of Vivek and his excellent research and there have been outstanding contributions throughout.

Let’s look at the thread’s initial intent – the vetting of Drake via searching about who he is, who he has been, what has he been involved with and perhaps what else is he involved with now (I hope I am being correct here Vivek).

This thread, like most, is just like a tree that sprouts several branches but is still a single tree.

Can we identify the main branches? Here’s the branches I see -

Branch 1 - From the information uncovered, how does this affect our perceptions of Drake and why?

Branch 2 - Much of Drake’s past (and possibly current) associations have been revealed, especially with Dragon societies. Clearly he has been involved, so what does that mean to us?

Branch 3 - This branch spins off to whether Drake still has such associations, because if true then statements in his last broadcast denying this fact cause some of us to cast him as a liar (thus nothing else he says should be taken seriously). Can we trust him at all?

Branch 4 - It seems the biggest branch that has sprung from this tree is discussion about Dragon societies and what are they all about . This to me is the most fascinating branch of all.

I am asking the thread originator Vivek as to which way should this go? Should we still cover all these branches in one thread? Should we consider a thread that covers Dragon societies? Where to Vivek?

EDIT: Just after I posted this, I saw Vivek's next post (just above this one) which suggests direction 4. Am I on track? I still hope we can look at 1, 2 and 3 somehow...

Justoneman --- that is certainly wise and said with such diplomacy

For me, I'm kind of tired of analyzing the messenger. So, I think I'm going to enjoy some of the alternative health threads and get my mind off the heaviness of this topic. Very weary

[Ol' Roy]

This has cone ao fast! yes tommorrow! yes I am in a drunken state. 12 Budweisers and two or 3 whole lime's trying to increese and decalsify my pineal gland . lol

[Chester]

I can only speak for the Dragon societies I have experienced - This information can be found in books in the public domain - I capitalize the words they capitalize.

From what I learned, there is the belief that earth was inhabited by "fledgling humans" when the Dragon cousins came to earth. They brought teachings, culture and came to be their rulers. They came to insert their DNA into the gene pool. The intentions were based on their belief that their blood was the key to being able to access psi capabilities - our higher level of being capabilities - and they wanted to share this with our ancestors that did not have these capabilities. This kick started humanity's push towards material/technological self sufficiency but even more important, opened humanity to Self-Knowledge that we are Infinite Spirit. This is the ultimate realization of a Dragon Master.

Dragon comes from Drakon (Greek) which means - to see clearly. (As an aside, some can see Drake's name as an interesting synchronicity and I am sure that he has seen his name to be no coincidence.)

Some see themselves as masters who have descended to earth and taken human form. They learned the secrets of alchemical transformation and this is the way to both spiritual but also physical immortality.

They see themselves as reflections of the Primal Dragon - Dragon Masters being pure energy/life force. They are also equipped with the Dragon force and the ability to create also possessing the wisdom to know what to create.

Some believe the universe to have a pre-destiny that all life forms in the universe would achieve Self-Knowledge, with those who achieve it sooner having the responsibility to assist others in attaining this same Dragon Wisdom.

All of the universe was created to answer the question, "What AM I?" continuing until spirit fully realized itself.

The greatest Dragon Masters are deemed direct incarnations of the Primal Dragon.

"The greatest of these Dragon Masters were cognizant of the Dragon powers they possessed; however they also recognized that their highest nature or essence was separate from these powers."

Thus because they did not identify with these powers they did not attach to them. Their true nature remaining that of Infinite Spirit and the Divine Witness.

These Dragon Masters are not to be confused with malevolent Dragons and Reptilians who came not only to rule but to prevent humanity from evolving spiritually. "No doubt such races existed, however they can not be considered synonymous with the races of the Dragons who achieved the highest level of Dragon Wisdom - which is the realization of one’s inner Divinity."

OK Folks, so we can see that these folk believe in "special" DNA transmitted through procreation but that there are two distinct camps with regards to sharing the blood or keeping the blood to themselves.

I have no clue what could be true or not of any of this, but if there is truth to it then I can understand how and why our world is so whacky these days. Imagine something so racist where one group tries to hoard this sacred blood and true Dragon Masters are content to freely share this blood.

Imagine if there's any truth to this - the original plan to share it freely and then a separate race that also possess Dragon blood comes to earth to keep it to themselves and rule the rest - easy to do because we are physically (and thus spiritually) inferior.

Mind Boggling - but from my research, this is THE CONFLICT that is the foundational conflict to our entire world's dilemma.

justoneman

[Unified Serenity]

I couldn't help but imagine Drake playing D&D for hours conjuring up a fantasy life of being a sovereign king saving the world.

The more his story changes the less there is to support his being who he says he is, and thus what he is really doing. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Keep us watching the action over here while the real stuff is happening where you are not looking. Mesmerized by the drama is a nice ploy to engage.

[Chester]

In light of the information I posted above in post #123 – in consideration of this quote obtained by Vivek and attributed to Drake – “We are those who show The Path to others in the ancient tradition of a shaman.”

Which type of Dragon do we think Drake might have been (or still be?)

So considering how controversial it is for so many to be associated with a Dragon society and how misunderstood a true Dragon Master might be, I can understand Drake dancing around that question and I can even reach so far as to understand that if he still maintains some of those associations he would deny it.

But my bet is that he has simply moved on – once you connect, you don’t need any associations – those who maintain these associations often do so to assist others, just like sober alcoholics in AA practice the 12th Step.

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Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I couldn't help but imagine Drake playing D&D for hours conjuring up a fantasy life of being a sovereign king saving the world.

The more his story changes the less there is to support his being who he says he is, and thus what he is really doing. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Keep us watching the action over here while the real stuff is happening where you are not looking. Mesmerized by the drama is a nice ploy to engage.

could very well be the case Unified Serenity, could very well be

[Chester]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
I couldn't help but imagine Drake playing D&D for hours conjuring up a fantasy life of being a sovereign king saving the world.

The more his story changes the less there is to support his being who he says he is, and thus what he is really doing. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Keep us watching the action over here while the real stuff is happening where you are not looking. Mesmerized by the drama is a nice ploy to engage.

On this note - what ideas do you have for those who did more than just sit around and conjure up how to take over our world leaving us to deal with what we have today? Really - tell me what real actionable ideas do you have that we can get free of what most of us know has us all but fully, spiritually dead today as a society?

You can tell me you are free yourself but what good is your condition for the overwhelming percentage that live on less than $2.00 a day? Could you just switch to that? What about the rest of the life on this planet? How wonderful our rulers to lie to us about ETs/EDs and that keep free energy from the masses? Our food and water and air we breath? What's your solution? No one's saying here to sit around and wait on a Drake - but instead of tearing someone down that actually may be trying to do something, what are your suggestions we do? Truly tell me, tell us.

apologies for my frustrations

[OnyxKnight]

Posted by YvonneG (here)
In contrast to European dragons, which are considered evil, Chinese dragons traditionally symbolize potent and auspicious powers, particularly control over water, rainfall, hurricane, and floods. The dragon is also a symbol of power, strength, and good luck. With this, the Emperor of China usually used the dragon as a symbol of his imperial power.

I don't know where Wikipedia gets its information on dragon mythology, but this is not true. Especially on the Slavic territories. Slavic mythology classifies several different aspects of 'dragon' symbolical representations, only of which barely couple of them can be deemed "negative".

(I have to note that there are a lot of mythological blends in our cultures, for things that may be separate mythological figures in other cultures.)

zmei/zmai - This is our general term describing a Dragon, by definition. Definition being, symbolical association with something 'reptoid'. Thing is, while we do have monstrous depictions using this term, in our mythology, rarely do any of these have any negative connotation.

They are regarded as territorial, and if tresspassing in their lair, that's the only time when they would become potentially fatally dangerous. Other than that, often a zmei would act as the official guardian of a village or a small town, and act as a healer too.

Sometimes, instead of a dragon-like appearance common in western folklore, they are depicted as human-like giants. Sometimes with wings too.

lamia - These are the only ones that are depicted as evil. They are usually associated with the feminine gender. But again, monstrous appearance is rare. They are often depicted as a more dangerous form of an evil witch, so again, with a human form. They have been considered to bring plagues, diseases, curses, droughts or floods, torment and agony, etc. These are sometimes depicted similar to what a succubus is depicted.

smok - These are the ones that are rarely seen as anything even resembling a humanoid form, even less with a human face. These would fall in the category of wyrms/wurms. Reptod-like monsters with wings and a body like a snake.

aždaja - These are associated with sea monsters. Oceanic version of a dragon if you will. Often attacking seafarers.

hala - These are the most evil depicted of all. Some even considered them an exact opposite of dragons. They are usually depicted with multiple heads and the only ones I found where breathing fire is mentioned.

drakon - I guess with origins of the same word 'draca', associated with dragon (again I'm alluding to the western version, of reptoid, fire breathing monster). But these are more associated with human-looking people with monstrous behavior and supernatural powers. There are different versions of drakons. Someones are associated with royalty (as are vampires too, which alludes to similarity of the myths, see below). This is the version that is connected with the Royal House of the Dragon, and the Order of the Dragon. This two could be connected with this Drake thing of this thread too.

Sometimes instead of humans, they would be depicted somewhat similar to what would be considered an orc/ogre. Human with reptilian characteristics. Unlike its comparisons, the drakons are extremely intelligent.

We also have blending of the mythological figures of vampires and dragons. The drakon is both in our culture. But like multiple types of drakons, we also have multiple versions of vampires. Some who suck energy, some who suck blood, others who suck memories, others who don't do any of the previous things.

The drakon is more associated with sucking energy, and the blood drinking left for a more vampire-oriented version of the myth.

Its also strange, that even with vampires, they are not depicted as evil and malevolent as they are in the west. Often, vampires in our cultures act as vengeful beings who carry out the revenge of somebody. They often are depicted as men, who came back from the dead to defend their family. But not any man can do this, they have to carry some kind of special quality in their bodies.



I don't know why this is the way it is with our cultures. I tried to find some answer to this but there is nothing concrete. Maybe because the proto-slavic tribes migrated from east. The far east, with origins from Mu/Lemuria. So, like Asia today, we have kept a generally neutral and positive viewpoints to these beings.

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Posted by Vivek (here)

I've read about both, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but are we mixing channeled information with tangible evidence (albeit open to interpretation, i.e. sumerian tablets, history of bloodlines, Dragon Sovereignty, etymology etc)

I remember all of the information about the Draconians/Reptilian/Greys interstellar heritage being mostly channeled material... Just sayin'.. hard to verify IMO set aside intuition...

Well, nope. There's channeled material, true, but the most of it is derived from contact basis.

[Ishtar]

Justoneman,

I have no objection to Drake being a Dragon, whatever that turns out to mean, (and I haven't ruled out Dungeons and Dragons either.)

I have an objection to him lying.

The first and most basic requirement of someone walking a spiritual path is authenticity and telling the truth at all times.

I explained about the importance of truth to the spiritual path elsewhere, but perhaps you didn't see it, so I'll repeat it again here. (And interestingly, I wrote this the day before it came out that he had lied about being a dragon ~ I was making the case for the importance of doing our due diligence on Drake and what he claims.)

My experience is that the universe resonates with truth, and so nothing good can ever come from a lie.

Sometimes people believe that the end justifies the means. But in my view, the very fabric and nature of the end is constructed by the means. The means actually create the end, in other words. The means have an impact on how the outcome looks and feels and they also implant a seed into the outcome which contains the means of its eventual destruction. We are co-creators of our own destiny and need, therefore, to act in truth and under truth at all times.

The ancient Vedics put it this way: Sat Chit Ananda. Sat (Truth) is the Chit (Consciousness) of Ananda (Bliss or Goodness). The ancient Greeks put it slightly differently ~ their three pillars upon which the universe was constructed were named Truth, Goodness and Beauty. Without these three pillars standing firm, the centre cannot hold because they are all aspects of each other ~ in other words Truth=Beauty and Beauty=Truth and Goodness=Truth and so on.

In recent years, coming across "The Truth Movement", I have found so much lying and subterfuge and sleight of hand puppetry and pink smoke that I have begun to suspect anything that has the word Truth in the title. Truth has become the new Lies, in so many cases.

So until I'm sure I'm not being lied to, I will remain sceptical of Drake and this whole movement.

[KiwiElf]

"Condemnation, without investigation is the height of ignorance"
- EINSTEIN:

... that is not aimed at any one but every one - in the best possible way

( scepticism is healthy Ishtar - with everything )

[wynderer]

i posted this on another Drake thread, also -- my little burst of hope for the future of Humanity, relying on Drake, Fulford, & Wilcock, is fading away

when people start talking about being members of ancient orders, especially if they are hi up in the order i always suspect some messing w/the mind going on

from Cliff High's Half Past Human

http://halfpasthuman.com/

my opinion is that fulford is lying...
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i have been repeatedly asked my opinion of the claims being made by Ben Fulford and David Wilcock and this fellow identifying himself as Drake. This is becoming tedious to address in emails.

My opinion is that Drake is full of ****. Further, he does not have the 'contacts', nor position that he claims. In his several radio interviews, the language that he uses brings me to this conclusion.

My opinion is that Ben Fulford is lying. And is he lying not only about the 'mass arrests', but also is clearly fishing in the river of denial about Fukushima. His lies about the financial oppression by the banksters are disinformation that causes emotional turmoil as listeners who do not use discrimination of mind are first taken to the heights of hope, only to crash to deep dispair as reality intrudes on Ben's fantasy.

But he will kill people with his lies about the radiation.

So, i call Benjamin Fulford on his bull****. The financial **** i do not care about (total fantasy on his part), but if he actually has tested for background radiations in dozens of places in and around Tokyo, then please, provide specifics about the types of counters used, the dates, and the actual readings . Otherwise shut the **** up about it. You will cause people to die.

Here on the West Coast of North America our daily background radiations are now 20 to 40 times higher than in my first samples in our area in 2003. Unlike fulford, i actually own two nuclear decay meters, and have them calibrated, and know how to use them, and further know what i am measuring. These were obtained through UnitedNuclear.

Fulford, in my opinion, does not possess the mental acuity to be an accurate reporter of the radiation story in Japan. It is my opinion that he did not participate in any sampling for radiation at all, and is lying about it. Part of the denial syndrome. It will break down soon, not only for Ben, but for millions around the planet.

David Wilcock claims to have 'vetted' the 'drake' by his (david's) previous contacts to 'inside' sources.....sooo...since drake is not as claimed, then this makes David's contacts worthless in validating anything, and, now calls into question ANY and ALL claims he has ever made to any 'inside' source or knowledge. Not that i ever gave David much credence, after all, Wilcock is so naive that he believes what Dan Burish (nee Crain) has to say

[Ishtar]

The importance of telling the truth is not just a moral issue. It's about power. No-one can have any real power (such as one would expect of a Dragon initiate) unless they remain in truth, because coming out of truth takes you out of alignment with the highest Divine Will.

If you think about the word 'true', it can also apply to a line or a straight edge. We talk about a line being true if it is straight and in alignment. This is explained in Far Eastern systems as the Hara Line, which connects us to the spirits above and the spirits below. If the Hara Line is crooked, it cannot run true, and therefore the person cannot get any power from spiritual helpers.

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say. This may sound simple, but when I was first taught that I needed to practice it, about 14 years ago, I began to see how often I wasn't actually following through. (Try it for yourself as an experiment for one day, and see how you get on.)

“The Hara line exists on a dimension deeper than the auric field [Ka body]. It exists on the level of intentionality. It is an area of power within the physical body that contains the tan tien*. It is the one [musical] note [or vibration] with which you have drawn up your physical body from your mother, the Earth. It is this one note that holds your body in physical manifestation. Without the one note, you would not have a body. When you change this one note, your entire body will change. Your body is a gelatinous form held together by this one note [or vibration]. This note is the sound that the centre of the Earth makes.”

The above quote is from Barbara Brennan’s book, Light Emerging. As you can see from her diagrams (below) this man’s Hara line is straight at the moment, but he is not being strictly honest with himself about his feelings. Because of this, there is a blockage around the area just above his heart chakra.



This blockage means that after some time, his Hara line becomes warped and broken. Thus the man loses his connection to the All That Is and his integrity (the feeling of knowing that you are integral to, or a part of, the All That Is). Therefore, you can no longer draw power from it.



I have written more about the Hara Line here.

So the point is, it's not about moral condemnation. It's that if Drake doesn't tell the truth, whatever spiritual path he's following will be irrelevant, because he will have no spiritual power.

[wynderer]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
The importance of telling the truth is not just a moral issue. It's about power. No-one can have any real power (such as one would expect of a Dragon initiate) unless they remain in truth, because coming out of truth takes you out of alignment with the highest Divine Will.

If you think about the word 'true', it can also apply to a line or a straight edge. We talk about a line being true if it is straight and in alignment. This is explained in Far Eastern systems as the Hara Line, which connects us to the spirits above and the spirits below. If the Hara Line is crooked, it cannot run true, and therefore the person cannot get any power from spiritual helpers.

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say. This may sound simple, but when I was first taught that I needed to practice it, about 14 years ago, I began to see how often I wasn't actually following through. (Try it for yourself as an experiment for one day, and see how you get on.)

“The Hara line exists on a dimension deeper than the auric field [Ka body]. It exists on the level of intentionality. It is an area of power within the physical body that contains the tan tien*. It is the one [musical] note [or vibration] with which you have drawn up your physical body from your mother, the Earth. It is this one note that holds your body in physical manifestation. Without the one note, you would not have a body. When you change this one note, your entire body will change. Your body is a gelatinous form held together by this one note [or vibration]. This note is the sound that the centre of the Earth makes.”

The above quote is from Barbara Brennan’s book, Light Emerging. As you can see from her diagrams (below) this man’s Hara line is straight at the moment, but he is not being strictly honest with himself about his feelings. Because of this, there is a blockage around the area just above his heart chakra.



This blockage means that after some time, his Hara line becomes warped and broken. Thus the man loses his connection to the All That Is and his integrity (the feeling of knowing that you are integral to, or a part of, the All That Is). Therefore, you can no longer draw power from it.



I have written more about the Hara Line here.

So the point is, it's not about moral condemnation. It's that if Drake doesn't tell the truth, whatever spiritual path he's following will be irrelevant, because he will have no spiritual power.

very interesting, Ishtar

since this is a Dragon thread, i'm going to relate what you posted to the Reptilians -- as i see it, Dragon = Draco = Reptilian -- the Dracos are the royal caste of the Reptilians [as in Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon ]

many many researchers & experiencers have come to the conclusion that the Reptilians [& their liitle helpers the Greys, & maybe others] feed on the emotions of Humans -- & perhaps on our spiritual energy, including the awakened & flowing/moving Kundalini

from Ishtar: No-one can have any real power (such as one would expect of a Dragon initiate) unless they remain in truth, because coming out of truth takes you out of alignment with the highest Divine Will.

it's known that Reptilians practice deception on a regular basis -- it's likely that this carries over into their interactions w/each other, at least for those not of the strictly hive-mind castes -- also they think they are God -- untruths -- cutting them off from the Source/Creator, & thus creating their need to control & feed off other beings -- it also explains the big push for hybrid bodies -- they know that they are de-volving, & are trying to establish a strong foothold in 3D bodies

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

All this talk of "Dragon = Draco = Reptilian" I wonder who long before the baner/banner's of certain countries & counties are brought into the equation?

Does that piece of dust that folk chase in the wind really have a purpose?

[sdv]

Why does he lend creedence to the U.N. and the International Court at The Hague? We need THEIR blessings to establish our sovereignty? I think not.
Somehow most folk here do not seem to get this one - This is a notification process - It is meant to be what has been stated to be a key requirement of the 90% to get them further (and perhaps fully) on board.

What some folk here do not seem to get is that there has been no notification, filing following the proper portocols and whatever Drake has said. This is a bogus claim. And yes, you do need acknowledgement from the UN, because a country cannot be an independent country if it is not recognised as so by the international community, of which it is part. There is no need to have anything to do with the ICJ at all until such time as there is a dispute between two countries recognised by the UN as independent coutries. As I have said previously, since the USA does not accept judgements of the ICJ as binding, it seems rather pointless to try to solve a dispute with the USA via the ICJ anyway.

[sdv]

Thannks Ishtar for sharing information about the HAra Line. I wanted to ask you to start a new thread to share what we can practically do, and then realised that the answer (not the practice) is so simple that I almost missed it:

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say.

It resonates with the Four Agreementts, and is worth printing and putting it up on a wall beside my bed so I can remind myself of that intent every day.

[Ishtar]

Posted by sdv (here)
Thannks Ishtar for sharing information about the HAra Line. I wanted to ask you to start a new thread to share what we can practically do, and then realised that the answer (not the practice) is so simple that I almost missed it:

How to keep the Hara Line straight is to say what you think, and to do what you say.

It resonates with the Four Agreementts, and is worth printing and putting it up on a wall beside my bed so I can remind myself of that intent every day.

I found that the trickiest bit, sdv, was not so much being honest with others, but being honest with myself.

[sdv]

Kabbalah (kəˈbɑːlə): I do study the Kabbalah (still a beginner student!), so if anyone wants to start a thread for discussion ...

I understand it on a few levels (especially as I am also a student of the crowley tarot) but have also found very practical applications for this wisdom.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
I found that the trickiest bit, sdv, was not so much being honest with others, but being honest with myself.

The adventure of a lifetime right there.

[wynderer]

Posted by sdv (here)
Kabbalah (kəˈbɑːlə): I do study the Kabbalah (still a beginner student!), so if anyone wants to start a thread for discussion ...

I understand it on a few levels (especially as I am also a student of the crowley tarot) but have also found very practical applications for this wisdom.

you're dippin your toe in the darkside waters w/crowley -- be careful -- the current is swift & the waters are deep & dark

[sdv]

you're dippin your toe in the darkside waters w/crowley -- be careful -- the current is swift & the waters are deep & dark

Thanks for concern. I am aware of the dark work he (Crowley) did and always protect myself. It is not the magick that is bad but the intent of the person using it. Crowley wanted to (and did) call up entities (bit fuzzy here about if I am using the correct terminology) to empower himself. I don't even try to call on entities or seek control in any way. I am also very careful in that I am always conscious that ultimately I can accept the knowledge transmitted to me by the Tarot or I can dismiss it. For me, the Tarot, like the Kabbalah, is a book of knowledge through which I can understand myself and my life, at a mundame level and in terms of my destiny (which I see as seeds sown and seeds sprouted).