Underwater city near Ireland?

[Straker]

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if there were any other threads on the Avalon Forum relating to these underwater lines I came across in 2008 while browsing google earth.

They form almost a perfect square with lines in a grid pattern underwater.

I have heard tales of an ancient land off the coast of Ireland before, but I forgot the name of it.

Any input welcomed.

Straker

[Straker]

Just googled around a bit and found this: It may have been part of Lyonesse.

Lyonesse is believed to be a land that was suddenly inundated by the ocean at the time of King Arthur. St Michael's Mount, off the Cornish coast is said to be part of this legendary kingdom which supposedly extended as far as the Isles of Scilly. (The Isles of Scilly are an archipelago of small islands off the southwestern coast of England near the entrance to the English Channel.) Lyonesse is also said to have been a hilly country and is sometimes associated with Avalon. (Interesting!)

According to Arthurian legend, one of the signs of King Arthur's return will be that Lyonesse will rise from the depths again.

[DreamsInDigital]

Ah, maybe then you are referring to the continent of Thule , I almost thought for a moment might be Hy-Brazil but, then your description made my mind snap right to Thule, which is where the city of Hyperborea was/is. But, I almost think they'll find Greenland was once Thule and Hyperborea will be found under all that ice, but maybe not. *shrugs* on bibilotecapleyades.net , the article "Atlantis History Of The Golden Ages" talks about Thule and Hyperborea.

Also, the book. Lost Lands , Forgotten Realms: Sunken Continents, Vanished Cities and The Kingdoms That Time Misplaced. Might be of some great interest to you, the book covers Lyonesse, Hyperborea, and all kinds of other places.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

These lines just look like scan lines to me. That would be a city as large as Ireland itself.

[David Hughes]

Hi Straker,

That ancient land you heard of might be 'Hy-Brasil'.

http://historicmysteries.com/hy-bras...other-atlantis

The geologist Dr. Ulf Erlingsson has a theory that Atlantis was actually Ireland.

"Statistically, the scientist claims, the probability is over 99.98% that Plato was describing Ireland."

I haven't read his book or done any research myself but here's where I read about his theory:

http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancie...a-atlantis.php

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by tyler durden (here)
Hi Straker,

That ancient land you heard of might be called 'Hy-Brasil'.

http://historicmysteries.com/hy-bras...other-atlantis

The geologist Dr. Ulf Erlingsson has a theory that Atlantis was actually Ireland.

"Statistically, the scientist claims, the probability is over 99.98% that Plato was describing Ireland."

I haven't read his book or done any research myself but here's the article I read -
http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancie...a-atlantis.php

Plato's descriptions were very specific about the layout of the city of Atlantis. He also described flying machines, which I assume are related to the Vimanas in some way. A pity I don't have time to check out these books because I haven't heard of any evidence in Ireland that would support the city layout or a high civilization. Not that lack of evidence discounts such a claim.

Personally, I subscribe to Atlantis being near Cuba. There is certainly something down there.

Edit: Here is a guy making a good claim for evidence of it being in Bolivia.

http://www.atlantisbolivia.org/lostcityofatlantis.htm

[Taurean]

There is what I think is a more convincing grid pattern just South of the Azores & West of Madeira, just above an area labelled The Canary Basin.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by Taurean (here)
There is what I think is a more convincing grid pattern just South of the Azores & West of Madeira, just above an area labelled The Canary Basin.

Again, look at the scale of that anomaly. It would be twenty times larger than London and not laid out in concentric rings as Atlantis is described. These are likely scan lines- the tracks of the boats doing the sonar scans across this area of sea floor. I think if anything physical were actually there, it would have been dived by amateurs by now. It also doesn't geologically fit the concept of an island that was once above water even if we consider it pre- ice age.

The Spanish mud flats at Doñana National Park also seem worth considering.

[DNA]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
Ah, maybe then you are referring to the continent of Thule , I almost thought for a moment might be Hy-Brazil but, then your description made my mind snap right to Thule, which is where the city of Hyperborea was/is. But, I almost think they'll find Greenland was once Thule and Hyperborea will be found under all that ice, but maybe not. *shrugs* on bibilotecapleyades.net , the article "Atlantis History Of The Golden Ages" talks about Thule and Hyperborea.

Also, the book. Lost Lands , Forgotten Realms: Sunken Continents, Vanished Cities and The Kingdoms That Time Misplaced. Might be of some great interest to you, the book covers Lyonesse, Hyperborea, and all kinds of other places.

I thought of hyperborea as well. Meier has stated these folks moved on to mt shasta which is their current residence

[Straker]

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
Ah, maybe then you are referring to the continent of Thule , I almost thought for a moment might be Hy-Brazil but, then your description made my mind snap right to Thule, which is where the city of Hyperborea was/is. But, I almost think they'll find Greenland was once Thule and Hyperborea will be found under all that ice, but maybe not. *shrugs* on bibilotecapleyades.net , the article "Atlantis History Of The Golden Ages" talks about Thule and Hyperborea.

Also, the book. Lost Lands , Forgotten Realms: Sunken Continents, Vanished Cities and The Kingdoms That Time Misplaced. Might be of some great interest to you, the book covers Lyonesse, Hyperborea, and all kinds of other places.

Yes, Hy Brazil, that's the name I was thinking of....thankyou.

Straker

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
Ah, maybe then you are referring to the continent of Thule , I almost thought for a moment might be Hy-Brazil but, then your description made my mind snap right to Thule, which is where the city of Hyperborea was/is. But, I almost think they'll find Greenland was once Thule and Hyperborea will be found under all that ice, but maybe not. *shrugs* on bibilotecapleyades.net , the article "Atlantis History Of The Golden Ages" talks about Thule and Hyperborea.

Also, the book. Lost Lands , Forgotten Realms: Sunken Continents, Vanished Cities and The Kingdoms That Time Misplaced. Might be of some great interest to you, the book covers Lyonesse, Hyperborea, and all kinds of other places.

I thought of hyperborea as well. Meier has stated these folks moved on to mt shasta which is they're current residence

That has me curious. Can you say more about why or what makes him conclude that? I have family at Mt. Shasta and visit often.

[Straker]

The supposed location of Hy Brazil is right in that area...

[DNA]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)

Posted by DNA (here)

Posted by DreamsInDigital (here)
Ah, maybe then you are referring to the continent of Thule , I almost thought for a moment might be Hy-Brazil but, then your description made my mind snap right to Thule, which is where the city of Hyperborea was/is. But, I almost think they'll find Greenland was once Thule and Hyperborea will be found under all that ice, but maybe not. *shrugs* on bibilotecapleyades.net , the article "Atlantis History Of The Golden Ages" talks about Thule and Hyperborea.

Also, the book. Lost Lands , Forgotten Realms: Sunken Continents, Vanished Cities and The Kingdoms That Time Misplaced. Might be of some great interest to you, the book covers Lyonesse, Hyperborea, and all kinds of other places.

I thought of hyperborea as well. Meier has stated these folks moved on to mt shasta which is they're current residence

That has me curious. Can you say more about why or what makes him conclude that? I have family at Mt. Shasta and visit often.

I'm limited while texting on my phone. But if you go to my threads you'll see one dedicated to mt shasta

[Ellisa]

The interesitng thing is that there are so many possibilities for the 'lost' cities and islands.There is a lot of history under the sea that we have yet to find or explore.

Certainly Saint Brendan discovered an ancient unknown land, after settingout from Ireland. It was Hi Brasil or Ultima Thule, though some people think he may have reached the eastern coast of the US. Though of course it could all be a myth.

[Straker]

Hy-Brasil was noted on maps as early as 1325, when Genoese cartographer Dalorto placed the island west of Ireland. On successive sailing charts, it appears southwest of Galway Bay.

Also:

http://www.unicorngarden.com/faeries2/celtic10.htm

Straker

[DNA]

The coordinates for hybrasil were numerically downloaded into one of the guys from the rendalshim forest ufo incident. There is an excellent youtube video of this

[Straker]

Just had a look on google earth, and now most of the lines are gone...so not sure what they are/were..

Straker

[conk]

Posted by Straker (here)
Just had a look on google earth, and now most of the lines are gone...so not sure what they are/were..

Straker

Looks like what's left is the structure, with the scan lines having disappeared.

I remember reading that there are around 200 'cities' that have been discovered under water. Many very, very interesting in appearance.

[Cidersomerset]

Graham Hancock mentions Hy-Brasil in his book Underworld....( I can't remember what he said off hand ) But I found this blog...




The mysterious island of Hy-Brasil: The ‘other’ Atlantis
On January 20, 2011, in Legends & Folklore, People & Places, UFO's & Aliens, by James

It is undisputed that the most famous ‘lost island’ is Atlantis. But there is another island which is just as mysterious called Hy-Brasil.

The island is said to be located to the west of Ireland and is known as Hy-Brasil in Irish mythology.

Hy-Brasil (also spelled Hy-Breasal, Hy-Brazil, Hy-Breasil, Brazir) may also be responsible for the naming of the country we know today as Brazil.

According to legends of long ago, Hy-Brasil was a secret land once ruled by priests. These priests held the secrets to the universe and had access to ancient, but powerful knowledge. In folklore, this island country takes its name from Breasal, the High King of the World, in Celtic history.

The island is said to be cloaked in mist, except for one day each seven years, when it became visible but could still not easily be reached.

Over the centuries a number of maps have charted the position of the island. On maps, the island was shown as being circular, often with a central strait or river running east-west across its diameter.

A Catalan map from around 1480 labels two islands “Illa de brasil”, one to the south west of Ireland and the other south of “Illa verde” or what is now known as Greenland.

There have been numerous expeditions in the past to search for this mythical land. One expedition in 1497 was led by John Cabot. He reported that he had found the land and it had been “discovered in the past by the men from Bristol who found Brasil”.

Some historians note that the renowned navigator Pedro Alvarez Cabral also claimed to have reached the island during his voyages in the 1500′s.

The 1600′s had a wealth of reports about the island. In 1674 a Captain John Nisbet and his crew were in familiar waters off the west coast of Ireland. They were enshrouded in fog.

As the fog lifted, they saw that they were close to an island, so anchored in three fathoms of water.

According to reports, four crew members took a small boat and landed on the island. They spent a day there before returning laden with gold and silver. They claimed that an old man who lived on the island had given it to them as a gift.

When they returned to Ireland, a second ship under the command of Alexander Johnson set out to find the island. According to reports of the time, they too found an hospitable island and returned to confirm the previous report.

In 1684, in a book called ‘A Chorographical Description of West or H-Iar Connaught’ mentions an encounter with the island:

“There is now living, Morogh O’Ley (Murrough O Laoi), who imagins he was personally on O’Brasil for two days, and saw out of it the iles of Aran, Golamhead, Irrosbeghill, and other places of the west continent he was acquainted with.”

The last sighting of the island occured in 1872. Author T. J. Westropp and several companions claim to have seen the island appear and then vanish. According to reports this was the third time that the author had seen Hy-Brasil and had brought his mother and companions to witness it for themselves.

The island was once again brought into the public mind in late 2010 with a TV series revelation.

In 1980 Sgt Jim Penniston was stationed at Brentwaters military base. During the UFO incident in Rendlesham Forest, he claims that he touched a UFO and telepathically received a message in the form of binary code, which he wrote down in a small note book shortly after the incident, telling no one about it for three decades.

On the History Channel program ‘Ancient Aliens’ this binary was said to have been decoded by Internet programmer Nick Ciske.

Below the decoded message followed the navigational co-ordinates of an area off the west of Ireland which correlates to the site of Hy-Brasil.

The decoded message read:

Exploration of Humanity Continuous For Planetary Advance

52° 09′ 42.532″ N

13° 13′ 12.69″ W

So, did / does Hy-Brasil actually exist?

Some people claim that what people are acutally seeing is an area near Ireland called the Porcupine Bank.

Porcupine Bank is an area of the Irish shelf approximately 200 kilometers west of Ireland. The relatively raised area of seabed lies between the deep-water Porcupine Seabight and Rockall Trough.

The northern and western slopes of the bank feature species of cold-water corals.

Could it be possible that during times of extreme spring tides that this Bank is epxosed to the surface of the sea? As early as 1870 a paper was read to the Geological Society of Ireland suggesting this identification.

If so, this could explain the reports of land which subsequently disappear quite quickly.

Of course another possible theory is that Hy-Brasil is in fact the lost realm of Atlantis which was said to be situated beyond the Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar).

The supposed location of Hy-Brasil is indeed beyond the Pillars and therefore fits into the Atlantis location as mentioned by Plato. Is this enough to say that they are one and the same? Certainly the location and the mythology would agree.



http://blog.strangenewsdaily.net/201...ther-atlantis/

[Atlas]

Posted by Straker (here)
http://www.unicorngarden.com/faeries2/celtic10.htm

When the Celtic Faeries withdrew from from our world into their parallel one within the faerie hills, it was a place that to human visitors seemed as spacious and as full of game and forests and plains as the one above ground, and even more full of wonders and treasures. Here the Tuatha had their faerie kingdoms with occasional wars and dramas very much like those of the Sons of Mil above ground; but they also had another land off in the Atlantic to the west, the Land Under the Sunset. This was the island or islands of Hy Brasil, possibly identical with Tir na n’Og, the Land of Eternal Youth, which has many other names too such as the Land of Promise, Land of the Living, Land of Delights, the Green Isle and the Happy Plain.

To the British Celts Hy Brasil was possibly identical with the Isle of Avalon and classical scholars have also related it to the fabled Garden of the Hesperides in Greek myth, which were also islands situated somewhere towards the sunset where magic apples grew and there was no sorrow or death. Marie de France in her Lays tells the tale of Lanval, a Breton knight in the days of King Arthur, who fell in love with a faerie maid and mounted up on her horse behind her to ride off to the Otherworld:

On the horse behind her
With full rush Lanval jumped.
With her he rides away to Avalon
According to what the Briton says
Into an isle which is very beautiful.

There is a tradition in the west of Ireland that Hy Brasil becomes visible on the horizon in the direction of the sunset every seven years, and many independent witnesses have testified to this through the ages right up until a century or so ago. When Evans-Wentz was collecting stories in Ireland he was told that the summer of 1908 had been a particularly good one for sightings, with many educated witnesses of a normally sober and rational tendency. Otherwise the island only seems to show itself when its inhabitants choose, or when trouble threatens Ireland.

Nevertheless, so certain were people of its existence that for several hundred years it was shown on many Atlantic charts as a real place. One of the earliest examples was in 1325 when Genoese cartographer Dalorto positioned it west of Ireland. The 1597 map below by Giovanni Magini, shows the twin island further south and marked as ‘Brafil’. It is commonly described as being a circular island more or less bisected by rivers.

It is quite possible that the mythical Hy Brasil gave its name to the South American country of Brazil due to its legend having spread among Celtic sailors from Ireland and Britain down to Celtic Galicia in north-west Spain, and from there down into Portugal which took possession of the South American country. Although there is another theory: from the fifteenth century one of the Azores was often called the Brazil Island on Portuguese charts, probably taking its name from a type of wood found there that was used to make red dye, and it is very possible that this name was transferred to the South American colony later because even more of the same type of wood was to be found in that vast country, and it became a valuable commodity in Portuguese trade. Whatever the truth, Hy Brasil and the South American country of Brazil apparently both existed on British Admiralty charts until 1865 when the island was finally erased due to lack of confirmatory evidence.

In 1684 the Irish historian Roderick O’Flaherty wrote of Hy Brasil: ‘From the Isles of Arran and the west continent [i.e. Irish mainland] often appears visible that enchanted island called O’Brasail and, in Irish, Beg Ara. Whether it be a real and firm land kept hidden by the special ordnance of God, or the terrestrial paradise, or else some illusion of airy clouds appearing on the surface of the sea, or the craft of evil spirits, is more than our judgments can pound out.’

O’Flaherty goes on to tell of a witness then still living who claimed to have visited Hy Brasil for two days some years earlier. It apparently came about like this: in April 1668 he had a row with his wife and left home, wandering from village to village in a black mood. Then in ‘Iross-Ainhagh, in the south side of the Barony of Ballynahinshy [Ballynahinch] about nine leagues from Galway by sea’ he met three strangers who forcibly bundled him into a boat and ferried him out to a strange island. Being able to speak both English and Irish, they told him it was Hy Brasil and he was able to confirm this by picking out the Aran Islands, Golam Head and other familiar landmarks far away on the Irish coast. Then after a couple of days he woke feeling very ill on the coast near Galway with no idea how he had got back there, and had to recuperate for a few days at a friend’s house.

Another of O’Flaherty’s recorded tales about Hy Brasil was this: ‘Some few generations ago, the crew of a fishing boat passing an island which they did not know, landed thereon to refresh themselves. They had no sooner landed than a man appeared and told them they had no business there as the island was enchanted. They therefore returned to the boat, but as they were going away the islander gave one of them a book with directions not to look into it for seven years. He complied with the request and when he opened and read the book he was able to practice surgery and physic with great success. This man's name was Lee, and the book remained as an heirloom with his descendants.’

A third circumstantial account he gives again offers no very solid evidence for the existence of the fabled island but does tell us much about the strength of belief in it at the time. ‘In the western ocean, five or six leagues from the continent there is a sandbank about thirty fathoms deep in the sea. It is called in Irish, Imaire Bay, and in English, the Cod-fishing Bank. From this bank about twenty years ago, a boat was blown southwards by night; next day about noon the occupants spyed land so near them that they could see sheep within it, and yet durst not, for fear of illusions, touch shore, imagining it was O’Brasail, and they were two days coming back towards home.’