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[9eagle9]

I have all of those someplace or the other. The point is transcending paper articles of the systems existance not using them to establish a cause for the reality of the system. You do that willfuly instead of assigning them a value of being what they are. Meaningless. What do those articles have to do with me?

Why would I willfully hide or alter or remove myself of documents that someone else imposed on me ? I didn't do anything wrong so why should I hide? Its just something the system labeled me as much as you just did, by assumption.

Having a social security card is not that much of an impediment if one one is not paying SS taxes. What would I pay them with?

Therefore its a peice of paper not a levy, a leverage or an admission of debt. Because I am so little effected by paper why would I spend the time and effort it takes to divest myself of documentation that was imposed on me well before the age of consent, or even before my conscious recall?

So is a birth certificate. A piece of paper is not me. I made no admission on the birth certificate, it has nothing to do with me. So why should I invest into any of those articles as if they if had anything to do with me. Someone else labeled me with those articles, so they are meaningless to me. Detachment. It's all about your feelings.

There is a vast difference between the person holding a SS card and paying into it's tax system and someone with a SS card who is not.

Who is the ostrich there?

They apparently have some meaning for you? Yes because you think the system has a power , it only has the power you give it.

However people willfully pay health and auto insurance everyday as it had anything to do with them. Willfully. Not because the state makes them. or because the state in a third party way gave them another identification. You identity with those documents? Yes? you are self identified with them and percieve that I am.

You pay health insurance so the state is insured that you remain a healthy slave, not for your health. You pay the state auto insurance to make the state feel better as you drive it's cars around. As far as I'm concerned the state can pay for both since they 'think' they own my body, and they know they own my car.

There's a big difference by being identified with the state and paying the state to do so.

I could tediously remove myself from all those 'seeming' impediments, but its easier to simply transcend them. With today's technology and paper trails no one can hide so what is the point. In spite of the fact the ptb found me in a way that had nothing to do with the above listed articles, anyway , there is no point to hiding. You are just making another system for yourself in doing so.

Even claiming UCC 1 and 3 status and removing yourself from your strawman leaves a paper trail. They will find you anyway.

The point is ...why should they?

Even people who assume false identities are still not claiming their own identity and then spend years in hiding.

'They' hide out in the open why shouldn't I.

Its not my strawman. It's theirs, I didn't create him.

Divesting myself of those all those meaningless documents emphasizes how real they are. They have nothing to do with me.

How are they important to you?

Recently I had to try to cases in court on my own without legal (system) representation. those documents were never mentioned, I didn't need them , the SYSTEM needs them. SO the system tries me in a court of law, I could have stuck anyone in there to take my place, but no one can dismantle the system the way I do. No one can make a declaration of innocence for myself but me.

No one even asked who I was. I was never even asked to identify myself, so apparently they already knew who I was. Or maybe they didn't know, who knows. It didn't make a difference. I showed up in a court as responsdent, I responded, pointed out the systems own evidence against me and used that evidence against the system. I identified there was a system in place and it had nothing to do with me. They called me a defendant but what I am defending if they are providing in all their evidence against me, a statement of evidence that I wasn't the guilty party. Of course I'm not. Their labeling systems don't make me guilty, they don't 'make me' anything other than what I am.

The system provides its own evidence of my innocence. That's all. I know how to look for it, I notice everything about the system.

Do you?

I can track myself, at all times I know where I am at. It's their tracking devices let them entertain themeslves with it. They've tried, they've failed, rinse repeat rinse repeat.

Nothing is private in the physical or non physical so what is the point in hiding. Because it makes you feel like you are doing something but all you are doing is acknowledging the system is real for you.

As you have re-emphasized here.

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All articles save for the 1040 label.

My name isn't 1040 system or otherwise.

[Avocadess]

I would add to Mozart's list:

7) Filled out a Census form with more than the number of people in your household?

[KiwiElf]

Posted by sdv (here)

Yes, it will be hard in some ways -- but a joy more than anything. And by the way, I do NOT think of Drake as a "savior" or even a "leader" beyond the fact that he has shown leadership capabilities and is a natural leader. What he is right now is a spokesman for what I consider to be the CREAM of humanity that are using their brains, wits and courage to free humanity while knowingly risking their lives to do so. And I cannot thank them enough.

And this paragraph is the CREAM of complete deluded thinking, at best, and plain stupidity, at worst. Your definition of leadership qualities and the cream of humanity is quite astonishing (plus your understanding of brain, wits, courage and knowingly risking his life to free humanity), but not exceptional. By the way, I did listen to Drake and soon after that first interview realised that in order to keep listening would require me to switch off more than 50% of my thinking abilities. I don't do that for anyone.

Oh, by the way, I am part of humanity and I don't want (and most certainly do not need) deluded people like this saving me or freeing me from anything at all.

On that very rude note, I leave Drake material and suggest that you form a private group on this forum for Drake groupies. If you put something on a public thread then you can expect public responses.

That is your opinion SDV - NOT FACT - and perhaps why you - and other like-minded people - miss out on so much - you only read/listen/see 50 % of the information.

[Mozart]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)

No one even asked who I was. I was never even asked to identify myself, so apparently they already knew who I was. Or maybe they didn't know, who knows. It didn't make a difference. I showed up in a court as responsdent, I responded, pointed out the systems own evidence against me and used that evidence against the system. I identified there was a system in place and it had nothing to do with me. They called me a defendant

With regards to the bold, underlined part, You Go Girl; you did that right and I commend you for doing that.


Yes, the system has only to do with the strawman and nothing to do with the living, breathing Woman on the Land that you are, so you got it right, 9eagle9.


I've had knock-down, drag-out court battles with the local courts to the point which they banned me from the courtrooms, and somehow, they never did issue another ticket to me in a 4 cop stops, at each one I pretended to not have an ID on hand, nor any of the required insurance proof.


I only told them the nom de guerre, strawman name that they think that is me, then they'd see the data on their computers and it all matches up with the horseless carriage license plate, photo on the ID, etc, so they'd come back and wish me a good day, along with an admonishment for me to carry ID at all times, etc.


And this with a foot-and-half long rap sheet of numerous cases and run-ins with the damn system until I figured the damn thing out, then I used the system own goddamn rules against it. And the most recent cases were insurance-related cases, so they had financial incentive to nail the strawman to the wall with ever-higher fines, yet 4 times, they just let me carry on my merry way on the roads.


I have a local friend who also is banned from the courtroom, so he is enjoying his little bit of freedom and local notoriety of having a rep of being the first one to stand up to the system and use their own rules against them.


~Mozart

[Seikou-Kishi]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I would add to Mozart's list:

7) Filled out a Census form with more than the number of people in your household?

Do alter egos count? 'Cos there's a Seikou Kishi living in my place ;-)

"Dear Census compilers. Before I sat down to fill out your lovely form, I asked myself who I was going to be today. Unfortunately for you, I chose the me who's only half lucid at the best of times, and when he is it's all devoted to defiance, but let me tell you about this caring side I have..." lol

[tenacity1]

cynicism can become a cancer that sometimes breeds complacency. It isn't for me to say what will or won't happen down the road. My gut guides me not others words or websites. I have hope . That's all I can say without wading into a time consuming debate about "Drake ". my prayers are for their success, yet I do not see them nor anyone as "saving me" nor the world. It will take us all treating each other with empathy, kindness and respect to save the world from the horrible conditioning we've been exposed to for so long.
. If the "offline" debate is anything like the online debate, then we need another person like Rodney King to stand up and say "can't we all get along?" There is so much that needs to be done in the world.. whenever I see folks argue about a new fact or a new person... I can't help but wonder if technology hasn't given us almost "too much information." and many folks are suffering from a propensity to sit behind their screens for too long.(no offense intended...just pondering out loud)
It's natural to want to see positive change, that's all I want and all I will say about this whole "he's not all that and yes he is all that" debate. Time will tell. I'm patient.

[9eagle9]

I didn't fill out my census form.

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I would add to Mozart's list:

7) Filled out a Census form with more than the number of people in your household?

[9eagle9]

Kindness doesn't remove programming though. Removing programming gets rid of the programming. People choose not to, and I choose not to follow where their programming leads them. This causes great unhappiness...in them.

They demand a response but won't give one of their own. I asked very important question that no one will answer. If you have know nothing but programming and matrixs how would you know what reality is.

No one will answer. That speaks volumes.

People who are least condition able are not popular people. There is no enticement for empowerment.

Definitely the internet provides that all to well known "having a little knowledge' about one zillion topics. A lot of it is hear-say.

Seldom do I see people asking questions but lurching right into a defense. 'The fear that someone may be correct about their hero' is broadcast hither and yon. Okay I know they are afraid. If we didn't glom onto heroes we'd not have anything to defend.

Offline I've never seen anyone get their knickers in a wad about me not agreeing with them the way I see it here. Disagreements tend to provide a resolution between two authorities on any given topic. There is a mutual respect and understanding that the other party knows what they are talking about enough to disagree to the point where all disagreements are exhausted and what is left is the resolution.

When I see that component in play I know that a self gratification patch is being sought and not a solution. It's a power struggle, from disempowered people. Kindness doesn't fix that, empowerment fixes dis empowerment.

Another person cannot empower you, only you can empower you. Otherwise you are just left with a 'feeling' of empowerment.


Oneness programming has crippled people. It's programmed them to think they should all be on the same band wagon and agreement is "Unity".

Dis-empowered people have no authority, so don't like disagreement, its another program, as if levering a 'yes' out of someone somehow gives them authority. It doesn't. No one can give you empowerment but you.

If there was true intention for change here instead of what I'm observing then it would be different.

People want someone to lead them instead of doing for themselves. So they got what they wanted. Over and over again. With agreement. The reset button clearly demonstrates people want to do this all over again.

Just more programming at work not a real solution.

I've not seen any Drake's adherents approach this with a intent towards resolution but with programmed responses, the same responses I seen with the last four flavors of the month.

Posted by tenacity1 (here)
cynicism can become a cancer that sometimes breeds complacency. It isn't for me to say what will or won't happen down the road. My gut guides me not others words or websites. I have hope . That's all I can say without wading into a time consuming debate about "Drake ". my prayers are for their success, yet I do not see them nor anyone as "saving me" nor the world. It will take us all treating each other with empathy, kindness and respect to save the world from the horrible conditioning we've been exposed to for so long.
. If the "offline" debate is anything like the online debate, then we need another person like Rodney King to stand up and say "can't we all get along?" There is so much that needs to be done in the world.. whenever I see folks argue about a new fact or a new person... I can't help but wonder if technology hasn't given us almost "too much information." and many folks are suffering from a propensity to sit behind their screens for too long.(no offense intended...just pondering out loud)
It's natural to want to see positive change, that's all I want and all I will say about this whole "he's not all that and yes he is all that" debate. Time will tell. I'm patient.

[Avocadess]

9eagle9: I cannot speak for others, but for myself I believe I was able to undo a lot of programming (at least, lessen its grip on me considerably) by the many hours of meditation I did over a period of 30 years, ending with several years of 2-3 hours of meditation daily. Just "seeing" the light within, "hearing" the music within, "feeling" the primordial vibration within. I learned to watch my own thoughts float by as if clouds in the sky (rather than identifying thoughts as being "me"). I do not believe this is the ONLY way; but I do believe that for me it helped, and a lot.

[9eagle9]

Meditation doesn't remove programming on it's own. It's a passive practice. Meditation on it's own is seldom overtly helpful unless one engages in 8 hours of meditation a day over a course of several decades. The practice of mediation was assumed by gurus in the east who lived in monasteries in the East and did just that. Meditated all day long and in doing so mastered their own mind.

Brain entrainment can produce the sorts of results that mediation is supposed to promise and in a fraction of a time but one has to be careful to make sure there aren't undesireable subliminal programs in the entrainments.

One has to impose enough pressure on the consciousness so that awareness can break through. There is an obvious separation felt. One feels not a divided mind but knows the mind itself is a program. Meditation is silencing the mind, one is simply idling the program for a while. Meditation better serves those who have wrought separation, they listen to awareness rather than the mind. Those who can make this separation move between the mind and awareness. Thinking and knowing. If you know something you don't have to think or meditate on it.


I would say the American lifestyle doesn't allow for 8 hours of meditation a day.. While I'm not knocking the value of meditation, it is a barely a scratch on the brick wall of social , familial, cultural and religious programming that has had opportunity to implant itself and be re-enforced in our psyche for thousands of years. We think we are going to remove thousands of years of programming in a few years?We again deluding ourselves. We aren't talking about just this lifetime, we are talking about A LONG TIME of program removal. There are fast ways to do it. But they are not easy, or blissful, they are releasing implanted dense energy and it hurts.


Program removal from this lifetime opens one up to the programming of other lifetimes. One eventually is able to observe the 'shared' psyche wounds that we experienced collectively as humans. That is the place we all collectively need to go to. But we aren't going to go there if we have deluded ourselves into 'thinking' we are deprogrammed. We havent' sufficiently deprogrammed ourselves of this life time enough to find our shared wounds. This delusion is auto-hypnosis. Which is not awareness.

Meditation is often accompanied by scripts--programming. One enters a light meditative state while reading. Reading a script. One enters a meditative state by watching an absorbing show composed around scripts.

Programming is composed around language. That is why a de-programmer can read other's like a book.

De-programming is aggressive, and often painful removal of implanted thoughts and emotions. Not drifting in blissful meditation. Seeing the light within is often a program. De programming isn't removed with light, it allows light to express. False light (dark light) runs along emotional fields. Light (less dense) doesn't create feelings. One's vibrational state remains high and steady regardless of what 'mood' they are in.

Implanted thoughts are archonic thoghts, they assume authority over you. When the archonic entities (ptb) that try to rule this planet found that implanted thoughts were an ideal way to rule a vast population they began a series of physical implants.

Programming speaks for itself ; its self evident. To someone entrenched in programming the subconscious speaks. No one can hide their programming, it can only be hidden if everyone is programmed. To a de-programmer or someone actively engaged in de-programming another's programming is entirely evidential and can be read like a book.

The 'idea' that we have removed our programming is a program itself. De-programmers know that they have to check for programming daily. There is daily means of doing this.

The ptb are masters of psychology at a certain level. We have to be too. At other levels the ptb are just as programmed as the people they impose on.

The elite sheep can be intimidated, buttons pushed, levered and manipulated as much as the common sheep. But you have to be deprogrammed yourself in order to push their buttons because you won't even be able to see their buttons. They are the same as ours. You know their programming that gives you power over them.

I have to check for implants daily and that is by allowing awareness to monitor thinking, and I will we be doing that till the day I die. I don't delude myself into thinking I have no programming when the psyche is assaulted 24 hours a day by EM, ELF, scripts, languages, media, 24 hour a day bombardment on the psyche. Anyone who is directly engaged in the practice of de-programming and KNOW what they are talking about will say the same thing.

People spend more time defending their programming than they do removing it. That too is part of the program. That's why so many people do not answer my questions, they fear revealing their programming because the revelation of programming is attached to a punishment. Programming doesn't allow for authentic answers it promotes defense.

If one is meditating in their own wretchedness then one may be on the first riser on the riser de-programming. Because the new age movement programs people into the love and light program, feeling dense energy is discouraged as 'something is wrong with you'. That is a program. That is also a key step in removing that program. There is thought and an emotion attached to the program.

Programming is below consciousness you are not aware of your own programming until the program has been broke. That is why some few say "Examine why one reacts the way they do" behind that reaction is a program. Instead people justify the reaction, which is part of the program.

The mind isn't going to reveal to it's program, the programmed never admit to being programmed. The programs don't allow for it. The mind itself is a program. The etymology of 'mental' is a far cry from mainstream understanding of it.

You can't deprogram by yourself,you need somone else who is well versed in the psyche, the programs, and how to prompt them their removal. You can support your process of removing programs but you can't do it on your own.

Changing the slip covers on the program is just making the program appear differently, its not changing the program.

You can support your own shedding off process, but you can't initiate it on your own.

People who have removed enough programming to interact with reality. The world no longer appears the way that others see it, the world is NOT the way we were programmed to believe it was. then one observes the world for the way it really is and uses that to their advantage.

Doing this provides empowerment, the self is allowed to express from behind the wall of programming. This tends to express in one's life as evidence of self empowerment and not just a thought. Events and circumstances just happen and willfully having to direct or plan or otherwise engage in thinking, is no longer necessary. One requires money it shows up, one requires the resolution of an 'apparent' problem the problem resolves itself. There are few challenges lefts because one always knows what to do so thinking is no longer required.

One lives on a different level of reality so the things that yank the crank of the programmed don't even exist for the least conditonable. Because its a program running.

A great deal of power and authority.

There's lots of thread on de-programming. Sebastion has a great one but the few that inhabit it are ones who are engaged in their own deprogramming. The only ones attending those threads are people who are engaged in various processes of de-programming ; the programmed have little to say in there because the program will not allow one to entertain a paradigm that threatens it.

We all have been gifted with one life, and the opportunity to manage it. Instead we allow programs to manage it.

[xbusymom]

Posted by Seikou-Kishi (here)

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I would add to Mozart's list:

7) Filled out a Census form with more than the number of people in your household?

Do alter egos count? 'Cos there's a Seikou Kishi living in my place ;-)

"Dear Census compilers. Before I sat down to fill out your lovely form, I asked myself who I was going to be today. Unfortunately for you, I chose the me who's only half lucid at the best of times, and when he is it's all devoted to defiance, but let me tell you about this caring side I have..." lol

Sounds like a case of "Sybil"

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Help me out here because i have to KNOW what i'm forgiving. If these people are not doing anything to me there's nothing to forgive. (check).

These are not real people to me.

What am I forgiving them for , building another matrix that doesn't affect me anyway or..... or not being as real as the matrix they are attempting to build ?

Authentic people regardless if I agree with them or not, I know to be real. They make it known they do not want to be real and I am required to honor the choices they make for non-reality?

Forgive them for not being real?

There's a flaw in here; I want someone to find it.

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
Forgive them, 9e9, for they know not wot they do.

Eagle, how can anyone get to a point where he/ she knows wot he/ she

is doing if they are forgiven for their unawareness all the time.

Its like stealing the opportunity, maybe the only assets someone have.

I go for Odins view: two things are unforgiveable, unfidelity and

unawareness.

And who the hell, do I think I am if I imagine I can forgive someone

else. ROFLOL






All is well


Jorr 2.0

[9eagle9]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....so if we continuously forgive people for their ignorance it's enabling further ignorance.


Pointing out their ignorance though is 'rudeness'...lols.

the program protects itself coming and going....lol.

[Khaleesi]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
I would add to Mozart's list:

7) Filled out a Census form with more than the number of people in your household?

Actually that has nothing to do with Mozart's list. You are directly asking her if she lied by asking this.

with more than the number of people in your household?

Mozart is asking about ways the system traps you. YOU are implying 9eagle9 will lie and I find that tell more about you than it does about her.

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....so if we continuously forgive people for their ignorance it's enabling further ignorance.


Pointing out their ignorance though is 'rudeness'...lols.

the program protects itself coming and going....lol.

I say, just refuse to forgive. Just dont get into that field in

peoples lives. Its each and everyones own business to find out

how to get out of the selfindused pressure. LOL

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by Avocadess (here)
9eagle9: I cannot speak for others, but for myself I believe I was able to undo a lot of programming (at least, lessen its grip on me considerably) by the many hours of meditation I did over a period of 30 years, ending with several years of 2-3 hours of meditation daily. Just "seeing" the light within, "hearing" the music within, "feeling" the primordial vibration within. I learned to watch my own thoughts float by as if clouds in the sky (rather than identifying thoughts as being "me"). I do not believe this is the ONLY way; but I do believe that for me it helped, and a lot.

I totally agree, we are all basically computers upgrading our Operating Systems and rewritting code. I think many people need a Chek Disk and a Defrag! Geese, I am a geek. lol.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
How does it? They are after all effecting you not me.

Reminds me of a quote used by a defendant in the Nuremberg trials with regards to how he was able to work at a concentration camp and every day walk past the fence by the gas chamber as people were brutally murdered. He said "If you prick your finger, I do not bleed."

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I said once i'm not talking about metaphysics and you can tune that out as much as you like. You make it clear you no concept of what I'm talking about because of your programming. Your program doesn't allow for it. It only allows for that which supports the program, not that which kills the program and the systems it runs on.

Define the program, define its exact limits and its exact form/function. Can you define the pattern in a way that does not amount to you attributing people making choices you don't like to some perceived weakness or inferiority in their inherent person?

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm saying DITCH THE PROGRAM so you can undertand what I'm talking about. This has nothing to do with metaphysics. so you have chosen the program, let me know how that works out for you. No don't, I already know. Programs are predictable, your little reset button notion is just a means of making sure the program happens again. I'm saying no to that to. If everyone else says yes, its still not my problem.

Tell me, does you being out of the program make you immune to bullets, bombs, knives and radiation? Because if not you're just as much a part of this world as we are. If not, I fully expect to see you bench pressing a Semi-truck on video as proof of your super-personhood! ;p

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
You can't understand, you are NOT ABLE TO. You just keep relabeling it metaphyisics.. I don't care if you relabel "Bambi" into "Debbie does Dallas" its still the same program.

. I'm talking self empowerment. Self governance, self management. We are only affected by as much as we agree to any given system.

Governance springs from the fact that people need a framework to resolve disputes. This is why Anarchy as a philosophy only works seriously when it's presented as a smaller, minimalistic form of social government. (Anarcho-Syndicalism) which is still a government. What you're missing here is that all forms of organized social in agreement are in essence government. You cannot have people without government because having formalized agreements is exactly what enables people to come together and work towards common goals. If we all were clones then you're right, we'd all get along and we'd need no formalized agreements. But this is Earth and currently we have a very diverse population. Whether you like it or not we need a way for everyone to function effectively.

Even your ability to partially exist outside of the system is a form of formalized agreement. You probably don't realize it, but the only reason the government isn't hassling you (apologies if it is) is because it does not care about what you are doing right now. But if you were to say, stop paying taxes entirely? Yes, let's see how fast you can escape the IRS jail cell you get thrown in for doing that. It doesn't mean there still aren't ways to minimize governmental dealings and get yourself entirely self-sufficient. I applaud you for doing so, but at the end of the day you too are subject to the great equalizer of all: Goons with guns called police and military which can and will impose on you at times and unless you are ready to accept a bullet willingly you cannot maintain a stance of 100% defiance in every case.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I don't people managing my body so I don't pay health insurance and don't go to doctors. I take care of my body. Its as easy as that.
What is wrong with that exactly?

Absolutely nothing! What about people born with AIDS, who get Lupus, what about people who end up getting Ebola or Antrhax? What about people exposed to toxic waste dumped onto their land by a Mega Corporation. Unless you have some magic healing pills there are a multitude of cases where yes you will need the modern medical system unless you're willing to either accept horrible amounts of physical suffering or just kill yourself to end the pain. These people are not weak, they're just trying to make the best they can out of what options are available to handle in their situation. I'm sorry not everyone is rugged enough to go Old Yeller on a family member struck with a debilitating illness.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The reason we have insurance companies that take us up the arse is because a space was created for them. A means of insuring that no one would have take responsibility for their actions. Slaves are not responsible for themselves, their masters are. There's your programming , there's your head --not in sand--but the shoved up the master's arse.

So nothing happens to anyone accept by willing consent? No one ever is hurt by someone else forcefully attacking them? So by that logic that means that rape as a crime does not exist, since rape only exists within the mind of the victim. So yes, all those women must've been totally asking for it! if we want to go down that road -_-;;

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
The sheepl have so many masters they have no idea who they are serving.

Oh really, well if you know them so well then please recite all of their names and how they have enslaved the people with full detail. Give me a chart that shows this web of control.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Do you pay insurance of any sort? Then you are perpetrator to the system of insurance. You PAY them to exist. That's YOUR doing, not mine. You pay the IRS, you are paying them to keep you enslaved. Who is the ostrich here again?

Who's the Ostrich? The one who seems to ignore the fact that in many cases insurance is required by law and that if those laws are avoided then those same goons with guns will show up to force your compliance. What do you expect to happen when the police come to your door? You tell them "I'm sorry Officer, but as a sovereign citizen I chose which laws I follow!" Even if you may have some legal basis for what you say, that doesn't matter when they can and will arbitrarily throw you in jail, take your children or administer any one of an innumerable amount of punishing situations to you until you can be fit into an acceptable place within society. Even if that's as a name/number on the roster of a prison.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
the first time someone rear ended another person and refused to say "Oh ****, my bad, that's all my fault, hear let me pay for that' they created a space for an insurance company to come in and make the restitution necessary to the other person because the rear -ender didn't want to take responsibility for their actions. I don't care if it was deliberate or an accident. Teh sheep do not want to be responsible, there's no self management.

Or perhaps just as much so by the first person who got into a car accident and literally was so poor they couldn't pay for damages? If people could make up for their mistakes by simply being humble, fessing up, and working a little hard to pay someone back then that'd be fine. It doesn't work though when you have a car repair bill that's five figures and you life paycheck to paycheck. Let alone hospital bills which can reach six figures. What do you expect people to do in those cases? No, you don't get to cop out of this by saying that they should figure it out for themselves. Since you are espousing everyone who doesn't follow your own form of self-determination is essentially mentally retarded then you need to define your response to a bill from an accident you didn't intend that is so expensive you could never hope to begin to pay for it. What happens if you weren't looking and rear-ended someone's family car, killing their children in back, impairing the still-surviving couple with huge medical bills and wrecking their nice new Sedan? How do you expect to pay for that?

Do you seriously think you're immune from these things? Everyone makes mistakes, everyone.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
People ensure themselves that accidents don't happen. They cannot bear for anything to happen that is not programmed or expected.

What are we cutting off at the knees when we ensure ourselves that no accidents will happen. Anyone?

Accidents are ultimately unavoidable, but that doesn't mean that they cannot be reduced, nor that you can't "insure" that when they happen the cost doesn't destroy anyone's life.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Oh ****, now that space if filled with a legion of pseudo metaphysicians to assure everyone that nothing will happen that was unexpected.

All you have to do is look at the ptb's calendar of events and figure out when and what they are going to do. It's not exactly occult or hidden knowledge like Drake suggests. I have one sitting in my backyard you are welcome to stare at it all you want.

A legion of people making predictions so that no one will have that utterly fearful notion that something might happen that is out of their control. Hello you don't have any control in the first place...lol.

You can't even manage yourself but you think you have control over something else. Who is the ostrich again?

Who's the one really afraid of the unknown? The one who insists they can solve a problem or the one who insists their is no problem at all? Again, until you can choose to walk through jail cell walls, dodge bullets, and survive explosions I would contend you are the one denying reality by insisting so firmly that such things could never, ever under any circumstances happen to you. What you are forgetting is that it is impossible to make every human being on this planet adhere to your vision of community or responsibility unless you were to turn them into a horde of micro chipped zombies that all had a single mind despite being in separate bodies.

People are going to have their own ideas about how they want to live their lives, we can either treasure each person's unique individuality and do our best to provide a framework for resolving any disputes or problems or we can decide that individuality itself is an aberrant behavior and we can turn everyone into factory clones that all adhere to your dogma of "personal responsibility."

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Now the sheeple are caught in the insurance game. You can't get out of it. The moment you gave up responsibility you gave up your power. Then you have to pay for it. Responsibility only means the ABILITY to respond to something. Not metaphysics, how one responds to any given situation.

Someone's responsibility does not make their (or their children's) bodies impervious to armor piercing ammunition, until it does then no one is ever free from coercion.

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
So you think responsiblity is metaphysics so that just shows me how far gone the sheep are. Still not my problem. Its your choice.

Metaphysics occurs only AFTER self management is undertaken. Not before. It occurs afterwards. You can't express yourself on a metaphysical level then you have no self management. That's your problem.

You're trying to make it my problem and I'm just saying No. Not my problem its YOUR problem. I Know what my problems are, you don't know what yours is and its actually YOU.

It's easier to blame 'them', right?

So if the government were to take your children and put them in a foster home, deny you all right to ever visit them until they were 18 then that's all your fault? You have no one to blame but yourself? You could never do anything that might be considered aberrant to the government that might make them decide you need to be taught a lesson?

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
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I'm not closing my eyes, I'm more aware of what is bothering you than you are.

Which is you.

The fact that you get so upset at all of these people and feel the need to go on the offensive about how they must be mentally retarded subservient sheeple says far more about you than you think. If you are so out of the system, and can just not be bothered by anything in the world other than the fact that people might want to work together and help one another evidences a very high level of contempt for anyone who's lacking in your own form of "Rugged Individualist Machismo!" Is Ayn Rand your Hero? ;p

[9eagle9]

Yes it makes you impervious. why I never troubled by bullets, robbery, assualt. Single female living out here in the woods where no can hear me scream. I don't even lock my doors at night. Beyond that my home is easily defensible. The "Home Alone' kid could take care of it.

I know what will happen if the unlikely event that I am attacked. The same thing that happened the few other occasions I was prompted to defend me and mine. I know precisely what will happen because its' been done before. not afraid to let my true power take care of me. I have no control over it, defense would occur regardless if I had any conscious control over it or not. I know what I am capable of because I've done it before, AFTER I brought down my programming.

People who know me know what happens on a physical and energetic level when I feel something under my custodianship is threatened.

Beyond that those circumstances just do not come to your doorstep anymore. There's nothing to defend. Doesn't hurt to be prepared but I'm not obsessed about, like I said i don't lock my doors at night.

I defined the programming further upthread.

Read it. I can't do your work for you, I can only remind you to do your work. I personally don't have an emotional investment in what happens to the sheeple. It's a pity and a shame but I am not even they are human anymore, maybe they are just lazy. But if they human potential they sure aren't doing anything to fulfill it. They don't care about themselves, yet I should? I am growing increasingly detached from their plight. Its not like they arent' given tools or access they simply don't want it preferring to remain conditioned and victims of their own psyche wounds.

I do have a response to those who could possibly be preserved. Who are few. I know there is nothing here that I can say to the brainwashed masses I am only using them as template to demonstrate my point to those who have a chance. And they know who they are. They have no problem understanding me at all. They may not agree with me but they plainly know through their own experiences not what was 'told' to them, what I am talking about.

The sheeple are just baahinig about the circumstances they are creating for themselves. It's like watching someone hit themselves in the head repeatedly iwth a hammer and whine about how it hurts, pausing only to pick another hammer expecting that something is going to change. How long do I need to watch that? Name me one good reason why I have to. The sheeple are gasping over the atrocities in the world, and afraid its going to happen to them even as they are doing it to themselves. They don't like watching what is going on the world but I should care as willfully keep enslaving themselves?

I don't. I need only to support those few that can preserved from their own assholery.

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Yes it makes you impervious. why I never troubled by bullets, robbery, assualt. Single female living out here in the woods where no can hear me scream. I don't even lock my doors at night. Beyond that my home is easily defensible. The "Home Alone' kid could take care of it.

I know what will happen if the unlikely event that I am attacked. The same thing that happened the few other occasions I was prompted to defend me and mine. I know precisely what will happen because its' been done before. not afraid to let my true power take care of me. I have no control over it, defense would occur regardless if I had any conscious control over it or not. I know what I am capable of because I've done it before, AFTER I brought down my programming.

People who know me know what happens on a physical and energetic level when I feel something under my custodianship is threatened.

Beyond that those circumstances just do not come to your doorstep anymore. There's nothing to defend. Doesn't hurt to be prepared but I'm not obsessed about, like I said i don't lock my doors at night.

I defined the programming further upthread.

Read it. I can't do your work for you, I can only remind you to do your work. I personally don't have an emotional investment in what happens to the sheeple. It's a pity and a shame but I am not even they are human anymore, maybe they are just lazy. But if they human potential they sure aren't doing anything to fulfill it. They don't care about themselves, yet I should? I am growing increasingly detached from their plight. Its not like they arent' given tools or access they simply don't want it preferring to remain conditioned and victims of their own psyche wounds.

I do have a response to those who could possibly be preserved. Who are few. I know there is nothing here that I can say to the brainwashed masses I am only using them as template to demonstrate my point to those who have a chance. And they know who they are. They have no problem understanding me at all. They may not agree with me but they plainly know through their own experiences not what was 'told' to them, what I am talking about.

The sheeple are just baahinig about the circumstances they are creating for themselves. It's like watching someone hit themselves in the head repeatedly iwth a hammer and whine about how it hurts, pausing only to pick another hammer expecting that something is going to change. How long do I need to watch that? Name me one good reason why I have to. The sheeple are gasping over the atrocities in the world, and afraid its going to happen to them even as they are doing it to themselves. They don't like watching what is going on the world but I should care as willfully keep enslaving themselves?

I don't. I need only to support those few that can preserved from their own assholery.

See, this is the part where I say you need to either post a video that shows you shrugging off assault rifle rounds (without a vest, you don't get to cheat and use the body armor society designed without you to say you can withstand force. Besides that armor is not 100% effective against everything) or I call a big fat BS on that bolded. Yes, you need to prove you are totally PHYSICALLY RESISTANT to man made weapons, not just that nobody would be inclined to shoot at you. Because I assure you inclination is as simple as wrong place, wrong time. So show me just how empowered you are and how useless our pathetic human weapons are against your obviously superior form...because that Ostrich? Yes, it thinks that by hiding its head in the sand protects it from Predators. (Even though it doesn't really.)

So you now need to prove you are not just shoving your head in the sand by showing us just how well protected you are against those predators. Yes, you can try to double back on what you said and throw out a bunch of wishy-washy BS about how you don't have to prove anything to me and how none of this all matters because you're some great guru here to save a few people. But, supposing you did, it would just be a plausibly deniable excuse to shield your ego from being deflated at the fact you are making impossible claims about what you are capable of. Human beings, and the human body, has its limits. It's the one set of limitations we all share, and until you demonstrate your unique and total freedom FROM all of the limits of the human body, which I have yet to see anyone observe. (Although Mas Oyama, founder of Kyokushin style karate was pretty damn close. He fought 300-men on a three-day nonstop elimination tournament and regularly went one on one with rodeo bulls, but something tells me not even he would survive being shot point blank in the head with a .50 cal round.)

[9eagle9]

No Ayn Rand is not my hero she just represents another system.

And its now different than the one the Drake Wilcocks of the world are representing. Rally them or rally around John Galt.

Look you don't understand that the world has a fading power structure taking its last gasp. It's system that has been in place for thousands of years. And the programmed, the sheep, are a PRODUCT OF THAT REIGN. You are enslaved to the same system the elite are.

You will go down with their system, they shaped you, they formed you, you serve them. it is a symbiotic relationship, you need them; they need you. You are part of their system. They are part of yours. You both need systems.

If the system that is going down as we speak goes down , you will too because you cannot FIND ANOTHER way to live.

This thread demonstrates that you cannot live without a system, your solution is to find a another system. Or put a new table cloth on the old one and call it good. Bullets are part of the old system, we are coming into a time when last bullet will be discharged and that will be it as the last of the old systems dissolves. Maybe next year, ten years, next life time but its going down.

An emerging power structure is rising, those who are learning to live without systems.

As much as you perceive the elite to be your enemy you are the actually simply the deterrent that keeps a new emerging power from rising faster, when it gains enough moment you will fall before it because it is meant to bring the systems down. and you are part of the system, you belong to the system makers. You will go down with the system.

That is what you wer e made for, you are a creation of an old system. You can't live with out it. You cannot see things any differently than what old system allows.

Nor do you want to. People keep screaming for what they don't want.

That is what you are. By choice or design, it really doesn't matter. The more the programmed sheep mill about the more they belay the rise of a power they themselves are screaming for. The moment it shown to them, they attack it with bullets. You are the enemy of everything you demand. And you wonder why it doesn't come to you.

They don't understand what it means to live without a fear of bullets or another way of resolving problems. They only know the system. They scream and demand a different sort of life and when it is expressed to them, they attack it. They try to kill it because it is NOT a system, it not familiar ot them, it is a threat. That is what their masters do therefore they must too.

Here is the program at work.

You can't see that its not a matter of dodging bullets, that is not a matter of merely the physical, but transcending the physical; its matter of never having those circumstances created around you.

Come shoot me and see what happens. You demonstrate your point, come show me your point. I'll show you what happens.

I could shoot you, but you couldn't shoot me.