Spiritual encounters of all kind - war for souls

[Beren]

Posted by Initiate (here)
Hi Guys,

For several months now I have been on the inner path and through various dreams and encounters ended up with A spiritual teacher that I communicate with via skype. Many times now after a skype session with this teacher I have had an unusual encounter. My teacher claims to have no involvement in this encounter and only mentioned that it "Sounds Cosmic". this is what happens:

My Computer started to drive itself. various windows I have open switch to the foreground. The start menu pops up and hides. If I open microsoft Word then the following is typed into it (the case of the unseen hand):

message =
Mes.c = ch
;
Me.t=ti
Mes
;
Ter

It is definite that a message is being communicated but the meaning is uncertain. They seem like either chemical formula but If I google "Me.t=ti" it takes me to google books and a couple of passages in the bible. One is Moses last song before he died. The other is Pual's Second letter to the Corintians chapter 2 and 3. There is a link between this passages in that God's people were seen by Moses in prophesy to forgo their God and turn to worship demon's and idols. Then God would scatter them to the four winds. Then trials would be allowed on these Souls if they chose to return to God. Paul stated that strength would be given through Jesus Christ to go through these trials and that without Christ we could not get through these trials and they would be blinded to the truth. The Law's only purpose now is to show that we sin but through Christ these sins can be overcome.

If anyone has any other meaning to this message it would be much appreciated.

Hi ,

When you look from this distance about that past ,all was like a reminder to them .
In their state of current being they were quite low and primitive.
That's why God needed a bit of simple to the bone way of communicating with them.

Christ came in one point and elevated conscience of many and still is.

We are like babies , many things we still do not understand . It's almost like the situation with six year olds ..they can talk with you and ask many clever and good questions but then you are in trouble of how to explain in terms that they will understand !

One thing is sure everyone is unique and we are all from the same Father.
It's just in his love,Father chooses to communicate with all his kids on the way each one of us would understand...

[greybeard]

Way back in time people invented a primitive paranoid god who they though wanted human or animal sacrifices.
they had to be given a strict code of conduct fear based or they would have acted out every selfish act under the sun which they were prone to do.
Even yet some think god has human characteristics and needs to be appeased.
Jesus came and share with humanity the true nature of God -- Unconditional love--- many haven't got that yet.
Fear and Love cant co-exist
I choose Love

chris

[Beren]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Way back in time people invented a primitive paranoid god who they though wanted human or animal sacrifices.
they had to be given a strict code of conduct fear based or they would have acted out every selfish act under the sun which they were prone to do.
Even yet some think god has human characteristics and needs to be appeased.
Jesus came and share with humanity the true nature of God -- Unconditional love--- many haven't got that yet.
Fear and Love cant co-exist
I choose Love

chris

Chris,
remember what Jesus said that in the last days there will be a flood of false teachings and teachers wishing to deceive the elect if possible?
I understand that as the clash between love and fear.

When a person reaches a moment of choice between love and fear ,a huge stress is present.
Love is the only thing that is. But ego do not believe that thus raising the alarm of false threat when you are about to choose.
Many chose fear simply because they lack faith.
Faith to see unseen. Faith to feel beyond the border of all.

Fear is a root cause of human suffering.

Perfect love destroys fear.
I choose love.

[Initiate]

I had the same thing happen again yesterday. The same message:

message =

mes.c = ch
;
me.t = ti
;

Upon further research and meditation into these messages I have concluded that the messages relate to consciousness theory.

mes refers to massless extremals. c is a property of mes which relates to the velocity of light. I am still studying a theory which relates to TGD but it seems related.
http://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_ht.../tgdconsc.html

It incorperates higher selves, quantum particle physics etc.

The quantum notion of self solved some longstanding problems of TGD inspired theory of
consciousness and led to a breakthrough in quantum theory of consciousness. Self is identied as
a sub-system able to not generate bound state entanglement during quantum jumps. Generation
of bound state entanglement leads to a loss of consciousness whereas negentropic entanglement
possible in the intersection of real and p-adic worlds involves experience about expansion of
consciousness.
....

Interesting stuff......

[Beren]

Time is quickened , lies are being unleashed with greater tempo. Fear is upon humanity these days.
This is the moment and the hour when we are to raise our defenses against these circumstances;
Love our Father as he is loving us.
Love all others and let us be the mirrors of light where they can look upon and hopefully change for better.
Let us love and be love, for who ever loves, he/she is of light - of love - of God.

[Beren]

Again I think the need behind why I started this thread is back again, maybe never left. Again we have a flood of influences on us. Threads rising like mushrooms after rain about this and that related about ascension or finding the truth.
I do not say that this is bad , on the contrary it can be very useful for those who are starting their awakening journey. But a word of caution; do not believe every "inspired" text of video. Agendas are various and often straying ones. Simply some souls that are dealing in various dimensions are ones whom chose weird paths. They will reap their consequences good or bad, but do not reap their consequences with them!
Live your own life and seek to unite your soul to be on same spiritual level or longitude of God.
After all we are all his children...

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by Beren (here)
But a word of caution; do not believe every "inspired" text of video. Agendas are various and often straying ones. Simply some souls that are dealing in various dimensions are ones whom chose weird paths. They will reap their consequences good or bad, but do not reap their consequences with them!
Live your own life and seek to unite your soul to be on same spiritual level or longitude of God.
After all we are all his children...

I totally agree with you on this one Beren.
Trust your 'heart within' (intuition), and not your mind (dualistic reptilian brain).
Also don't be afraid to ask 'your higher self' (true self) for guidance and wisdom in everything you do.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HbiZlF0V4O8

[Beren]

Dan,
what do you think about this;
are those spirits that are tempting us or suggestion various things or show in our lives on various places, are they there for our growth?
I mean are they supposed to do all this in order that we with each situation and each decision learn or remember something important?

SO that depending our choice ,we either go this or that way...
Maybe if they weren't affecting us on various ways, we wouldn't actually grow into sons and daughters of God?
I hope you understand where I go with this...

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by Beren (here)
Dan,
what do you think about this;
are those spirits that are tempting us or suggestion various things or show in our lives on various places, are they there for our growth?
I mean are they supposed to do all this in order that we with each situation and each decision learn or remember something important?
Dear Beren,

Thank you for asking these questions. What I understand at this time is that 'evil spirits' are allowed for one's spiritual growth in this 3D reality.
Remember that we are spiritual begins (God-essence), 'living' and having experiences in a human dualistic limited body (separated good & evil).
Now, when one's mind consciousness is based on negativity (fear, etc), that person's consciousness takes on shapes and forms (evil spirits, satan consciousness).
It can even manifest in material forms such as monsters, demons, etc. However, all these are just mental thought illusions manifested from fear.

SO that depending our choice ,we either go this or that way...
Maybe if they weren't affecting us on various ways, we wouldn't actually grow into sons and daughters of God?
I hope you understand where I go with this...

Are you worried? Do you have many "what if" thoughts? You are identified with your mind, which is projecting itself into an imaginary future situation and creating fear. There is no way that you can cope with such a situation, because it doesn't exist. It's a mental phantom.
You can stop this health and life corroding insanity simply by acknowledging the present moment. Connecting within your heart with your true God-essence (Christ), has the power to liberate one's consciousness from negative thought forms, and stay protected from 'evil spirits'.
Like David Icke said it beautifully: "The only Truth is Infinite Love, everything else is just illusion".

There is nothing personal in this: I am not teaching you. You are consciousness, and you are listening to yourself.
There is an Eastern saying: "The teacher and the taught together create the teaching." In any case, the words in themselves are not important. They are not the Truth; they only point to it.
If you did not have a chance to read The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, I strongly recommend it.

Love, and to your enlightenment,

Dan

[Beren]

Dan,
Thanks for insightful answer. I already think so , just needed to see a different perspective from you. Love is infinite and if you remember a quote from Bible where it is stated just like that- God is Love.
The thing is understanding it all in this current 3D life is a bit heavy task.
But little by little Father reveals truth and itself to all.
We are of him ,we are souls that are part of THE soul- God. We will do greater thing ,Jesus said that.
It's like growing from a babies to men or women. When I was a baby I couldn't speak properly and do 99% of things that I am doing it today without even thinking about them.
So in according time I will do things even greater than Jesus did without even realizing that it was even hard to do it.
All in its own time.

And here exactly lies the trouble for all of us; a knowledge that comes prematurely. Some wish that knowledge now by any cost so that they can rule over others or over physicality.
And in God's eye's that' a no no.
I mean sure you can trick someone to get that, be it a spirit or flesh but you will be returned back by God to learn a lesson. NO one ,and I mean NO ONE can trick God ,or get by in the universe.
You think you succeeded with getting by or twisting or bending the truth but on the next corner you are faced with your twisting and bending.
And it will always be like that until you decide to get all right.

Be blessed friend!

[wynderer]

Posted by Beren (here)
Dan,
what do you think about this;
are those spirits that are tempting us or suggestion various things or show in our lives on various places, are they there for our growth?
I mean are they supposed to do all this in order that we with each situation and each decision learn or remember something important?

SO that depending our choice ,we either go this or that way...
Maybe if they weren't affecting us on various ways, we wouldn't actually grow into sons and daughters of God?
I hope you understand where I go with this...

Hi Beren -- hope you don't mind if i also answer a question you asked of Dan --

i actually think it is a lie of the darkside, that we in human bodies need struggle/pain/conflict/war/etc/etc to grow into who we already are -- Children of God & Beings of Light

it's a huge, multi-dimensional, infinite & eternal Universe -- it's my intuition [maybe memory] that most of Creation is ruled by Love, that Creation is mostly a manifestation of Love, the Creator, God --

planet Earth is pretty much under the control of dark beings -- if Alec Collier, Marshall Vian Summers, & others are correct, in at least part of this 3D physical galaxy, the same war is going on between those who serve the Light & those who serve the dark [or between STO & STS, to use different terminology] --

but this is only on the lower dimensions, & in a teeny tiny part of the infinite Universe

this goes along w/the idea of reincarnation being a great way to learn Love -- supposedly by being both oppressors & the oppressed, we learn that it is not nice to be mean to others -- if this is true, i have to wonder just how stupid humans are -- even if it's just this recorded round of history, surely humans should have learned by now?

& Dan , i don't agree that demons, etc are just manifestations of our minds -- Jesus Christ did not teach that -- He came in part as a Warrior against very real forces of darkness -- He came to 3D/4D Earth precisely because they are here -- they aren't everywhere, true, but here i am, here you are, here Beren is, etc -- when it's time for all of us to be in those darkside-free other dimensions, we'll be there

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by Beren (here)
Dan,
Thanks for insightful answer. I already think so , just needed to see a different perspective from you. Love is infinite and if you remember a quote from Bible where it is stated just like that- God is Love.

You're welcome Beren. Again don't rely on your mind, but trust what you feel within your heart, because it's coming from your True-Self (Love).

The thing is understanding it all in this current 3D life is a bit heavy task.
But little by little Father reveals truth and itself to all.

I agree that to fully understand 'our 3D dualistic nature' it's confusing to say the least, due to the limitations imposed.
We agreed to enter this 'reality' fully knowing in advance that it's going to be a battle (good & evil), but we are given Free Will.
Even though we don't remember in this body who we really are, that shouldn't stop 'one' (us) to seek for the answers (truth).

We are of him ,we are souls that are part of THE soul- God. We will do greater thing ,Jesus said that.
It's like growing from a babies to men or women. When I was a baby I couldn't speak properly and do 99% of things that I am doing it today without even thinking about them.
So in according time I will do things even greater than Jesus did without even realizing that it was even hard to do it.
All in its own time.

Beren, let me ask you this question: What is it easier for one to do given the choice - Help someone in need, or be selfish?
If you answered this question sincerely, you'll probably know the difference between a child and an 'educated' adult.
So, by educating (spiritually) a child to become an adult is like an analogy between 'good' (Christ consciousness) and evil (satan consciousness).
Now, tell me what this world 'we live' in compares to, and you'll have your answer why 'greater things' that Jesus' spoke of don't happen (at least not yet).

And here exactly lies the trouble for all of us; a knowledge that comes prematurely. Some wish that knowledge now by any cost so that they can rule over others or over physicality.
And in God's eye's that' a no no.

There is no trouble Beren, the mind is speaking. Knowledge is there now to be discovered by 'premature' souls. Are we looking for it in the right place?
That's where the 'rulers' have an advantage, and want to keep it that way, so that the babies (us) don't become matured adults to 'spoil their control'...

I mean sure you can trick someone to get that, be it a spirit or flesh but you will be returned back by God to learn a lesson. NO one ,and I mean NO ONE can trick God ,or get by in the universe.

You are referring to the laws of the 'wheel of karma'. As long as one has this 'baggage attached' will have to re-incarnate...

You think you succeeded with getting by or twisting or bending the truth but on the next corner you are faced with your twisting and bending.
And it will always be like that until you decide to get all right.

Here comes the 'free will' in play, you either grow up or decide to stay a baby, and be taken care by the 'rulers'.


Be blessed friend!

Dear Beren, to find more answers to your questions, I suggest that you read this fascinating book online here.
You'll find more answers especially in the second part of the book. Remember to read it with an 'open mind'.
The words in themselves are not important, nor they are the Truth, they only point to it.

Posted by wynderer (here)
& Dan , i don't agree that demons, etc are just manifestations of our minds -- Jesus Christ did not teach that -- He came in part as a Warrior against very real forces of darkness -- He came to 3D/4D Earth precisely because they are here -- they aren't everywhere, true, but here i am, here you are, here Beren is, etc -- when it's time for all of us to be in those darkside-free other dimensions, we'll be there

@wynderer, I respect your opinion my friend, but are you looking in the right place for the Jesus' core teachings?
If you answer that those teachings are in the current bible, you might be misleading yourself.
Like you said the "real forces of darkness", don't want the Light (knowledge) to come out.

Namaste,

Dan

[wynderer]

Dan , not meaning this in a confronting or hostile way -- truly -- but your posts -- you are kind of coming across as someone who has a lot of answers -- so may i ask your background, your spiritual background?

[greybeard]

Eventually the simplicity of it all becomes clear and the books and teachers set aside.
They are very necessary till you know they are your very own Self.
The teacher and the taught are the same consciousness, the same presence. the same awareness.
Just being what I truly am in the present moment.
Still and at ease, aware.
The teachings of Eckhart and others have served me well.
Chris

[THIRDEYE]

ive expierienced seeing spirits at a young age,,about 5 to be correct,and the spiritsive encountered were ones of light,however i have felt the presence of darkness,and when they have seem to slow in my life as i got older.....every morning i do intentions and surround myself in a bubble of gold light and this seem to keep the darkness away from me...with love,light and abundance....thirdeye

[wynderer]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Eventually the simplicity of it all becomes clear and the books and teachers set aside.
They are very necessary till you know they are your very own Self.
The teacher and the taught are the same consciousness, the same presence. the same awareness.
Just being what I truly am in the present moment.
Still and at ease, aware.
The teachings of Eckhart and others have served me well.
Chris

i wondered where you were, Chris -- good to see you back

[Beren]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Eventually the simplicity of it all becomes clear and the books and teachers set aside.
They are very necessary till you know they are your very own Self.
The teacher and the taught are the same consciousness, the same presence. the same awareness.
Just being what I truly am in the present moment.
Still and at ease, aware.
The teachings of Eckhart and others have served me well.
Chris

Yes, Chris.
I realize that even without reading Tolle or any of the similar things.
I am the living example of if you want to know truth and want that from God and Christ ,you will be helped.
I realized so many things and stuff just by simply asking God.

I didn`t understand all at the beginning but I saw love of Father during the process of my learning or remembering.
I treasure thus Bible more and more since I discover amazing and beautiful things over and over again Chris!
Pieces start to fall in, puzzles are smoothly sliding in , picture is being actively framing for me. Just because I directly ask Creator of the universe!
Amazing and beautiful! It brings tear of joy to my eyes!
I consciously decided long time ago and am sticking to it - to always go directly to the core of the matter with God. No less no more- with God.
And he answered me and helped me! And he is always there as loving father in ways I wouldn't imagine so far.

And I feel peace and love and I understand that we are all one and also many in God `s creation. Love is all that is .
Because God is love.
All that we suffer or have as an experience is just temporary thing.
Spirit is eternal and we are of that spirit -of Father.

And writing all this in one breath now, I am still deeply amazed and saddened of how people still dismiss the great gift of God -Bible. How they miss the opportunity to find such an amazing truth and love and all there, how they fail to see above man made religions (usurpers of Bible) ...

Always we are ready to bash and trash the very word of God.
We argue that it was changed or badly translated but do we actually read it?
Do we let God to show us the very truth in it , and for the end how can we say that we want to be one with Father when we dismiss the very word of him?

God made inspired many to write good things and Bible is one of the most valuable if not the book.It contains layers and things so deep that all combine teachers that ever existed would have to bow down before God and his work. No wonder why many lost their lives by persecution because they wanted to give Bible on native languages of people.

But I will not talk any more about Bible . I will talk about being one with God.
How?

Just right this moment start talking with God.
It`s that simple.

There is no need for techincs of meditation, or anything that is suggested here on Avalon or anywhere in the whole Earth! Not that it`s bad, but it`s not necessary.
It`s that simple- right now start talking with your Heavenly Father .
Say hello to him for the first time in your life like you would say hello to your brother or friend.
Ask him how he feels, what he is doing now. Ask him for protection, light ,love wisdom,-now!

It`s that easy. It`s easier than to get up from the chair and pour a water in your glass!!!

Father is and will be always there for you and me -his children.
That is the only infinite truth - Father loves us.
Let us leave this silly belief that Father can not be there for us always. That he is far away and hardly reachable.
He loves us just like loving parent. How many times you as a baby would cry and run into your parents room and they `d instantly took you in?
Or whenever you wanted to be in your parent`s arms so badly ,that they would not receive you?

It`s same with our Father! It`s the same!!! Same!!!
Let us be free! Be free and let us reach our hands and hearts and soul to our Creator! Now !

I don't want to wait until tomorrow ,I want to be with my Father now and forever in every possible way!

Love , Love and see what happens!

[wynderer]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Dan , not meaning this in a confronting or hostile way -- truly -- but your posts -- you are kind of coming across as someone who has a lot of answers -- so may i ask your background, your spiritual background?

a PS: 'but are you looking in the right place for the Jesus' core teachings?' -- may i also ask what is your idea of the right place to look?

i think you'll say 'within' -- i sometimes wonder if this is a human way of grasping reality -- what so many call 'within' [& therefore get confused & think they are God] to me is reclaiming my natural awareness of other dimensions/states of being -- which i did not create -- i influence them as i partake in the dance of life w/all the other created beings around me at any given time, but i didn't create them -- it think this is a peculiarly Earth human idea, that you are God -- probably because you all focus on each other so much, & seldom think about that infinite & eternal Universe out there

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Posted by Beren (here)
Yes, Chris.
I realize that even without reading Tolle or any of the similar things.
I am the living example of if you want to know truth and want that from God and Christ ,you will be helped.
I realized so many things and stuff just by simply asking God.

I didn`t understand all at the beginning but I saw love of Father during the process of my learning or remembering.
I treasure thus Bible more and more since I discover amazing and beautiful things over and over again Chris!
Pieces start to fall in, puzzles are smoothly sliding in , picture is being actively framing for me. Just because I directly ask Creator of the universe!
Amazing and beautiful! It brings tear of joy to my eyes!
I consciously decided long time ago and am sticking to it - to always go directly to the core of the matter with God. No less no more- with God.
And he answered me and helped me! And he is always there as loving father in ways I wouldn't imagine so far.

And I feel peace and love and I understand that we are all one and also many in God `s creation. Love is all that is .
Because God is love.
All that we suffer or have as an experience is just temporary thing.
Spirit is eternal and we are of that spirit -of Father.

And writing all this in one breath now, I am still deeply amazed and saddened of how people still dismiss the great gift of God -Bible. How they miss the opportunity to find such an amazing truth and love and all there, how they fail to see above man made religions (usurpers of Bible) ...

Always we are ready to bash and trash the very word of God.
We argue that it was changed or badly translated but do we actually read it?
Do we let God to show us the very truth in it , and for the end how can we say that we want to be one with Father when we dismiss the very word of him?

God made inspired many to write good things and Bible is one of the most valuable if not the book.It contains layers and things so deep that all combine teachers that ever existed would have to bow down before God and his work. No wonder why many lost their lives by persecution because they wanted to give Bible on native languages of people.

But I will not talk any more about Bible . I will talk about being one with God.
How?

Just right this moment start talking with God.
It`s that simple.

There is no need for techincs of meditation, or anything that is suggested here on Avalon or anywhere in the whole Earth! Not that it`s bad, but it`s not necessary.
It`s that simple- right now start talking with your Heavenly Father .
Say hello to him for the first time in your life like you would say hello to your brother or friend.
Ask him how he feels, what he is doing now. Ask him for protection, light ,love wisdom,-now!

It`s that easy. It`s easier than to get up from the chair and pour a water in your glass!!!

Father is and will be always there for you and me -his children.
That is the only infinite truth - Father loves us.
Let us leave this silly belief that Father can not be there for us always. That he is far away and hardly reachable.
He loves us just like loving parent. How many times you as a baby would cry and run into your parents room and they `d instantly took you in?
Or whenever you wanted to be in your parent`s arms so badly ,that they would not receive you?

It`s same with our Father! It`s the same!!! Same!!!
Let us be free! Be free and let us reach our hands and hearts and soul to our Creator! Now !

I don't want to wait until tomorrow ,I want to be with my Father now and forever in every possible way!

Love , Love and see what happens!

a lot of people who criticize the Bible have never read it -- it is p.c. in newage circles to diss the Bible, it seems

[truthseekerdan]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Dan , not meaning this in a confronting or hostile way -- truly -- but your posts -- you are kind of coming across as someone who has a lot of answers -- so may i ask your background, your spiritual background?

I don't have a lot of answers, but a lot of questions. It's all about who to ask, and where to look.
My friend you'll find a little more about my spiritual background at this link.

Posted by wynderer (here)
a PS: 'but are you looking in the right place for the Jesus' core teachings?' -- may i also ask what is your idea of the right place to look?

i think you'll say 'within' -- i sometimes wonder if this is a human way of grasping reality -- what so many call 'within' [& therefore get confused & think they are God] to me is reclaiming my natural awareness of other dimensions/states of being

It is the spiritual way of grasping reality, the human way is through the mind (brain only). As you may know, you are not just human even if the mind might 'force you' to think otherwise. You (us humans) are the smallest part (self-awareness) of The I AM infinite consciousness we call God, etc.

-- which i did not create -- i influence them as i partake in the dance of life w/all the other created beings around me at any given time, but i didn't create them -- it think this is a peculiarly Earth human idea, that you are God -- probably because you all focus on each other so much, & seldom think about that infinite & eternal Universe out there

My friend, since you believe that the bible is 100% correct (this is what I understand), have you read the following words by Jesus found in John 10:34-35 which he quotes from Psalm 82. You'll probably be amazed...

Posted by wynderer (here)
a lot of people who criticize the Bible have never read it -- it is p.c. in newage circles to diss the Bible, it seems

The bible is a very good reading for those who actually understand it. (2 Corinthians 3:5-6; Mark 8:18)

Love to you and to your enlightenment,

Dan

[greybeard]

For myself the Bible was only skimed and a distant childhood memory.
My main early source was reading the accounts of mainly Indian enlightened ones.
They all said the same thing. God is Love and we are all waves of the Divine Ocean.
Every enlightened Sage has said the same thing since time began, that is Ultimate Truth.
Its good to find Truth coming from many enlightened sources, its like a cross check.
The Presence of God is within, nothing needs to be added only obstacles to the Truth need to be removed.
More information is not required, but one has to go through a lot of it first to confirm the validity of Truth, such is the nature of human mind.
The presence of God/higher Self is to be found within. Christ said it, Krishna said it they all say it.
The books and sages can only point to this eternal Truth.
Its up to us to find the Presence within for ourselves.l
The sun is allways there and when the clouds/obstacles are removed it shines forth.
Through Devotion, humility,asking God to remove the obstacles the illumined Self also shines forth in Oneness with God, that is enlightenment.
Free of the bondage and ignorance of duality, only God is.
Chris
Namaste