Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Sebastion]

Hi wynderer:

I see you are still alive and doing a good job of posting despite all the negative that has occurred in your life! They say that that which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger, so you must be pretty damn strong!

Imagine how much stronger you will find yourself being when you quit buying into all those negative "ideas" you seem to be corded into!

Posted by wynderer (here)

Posted by Midnight (here)
On page 4 of this incredible thread I read that Karla Turner might have sent a message from the other side of death, from presumably the astral plane. She said, "There are good forces here."

I really hope this is a legitimate message from Karla.

The idea of multidimensional loosh collecting archons (reptiles and greys), often involves the idea that they control the reincarnation process, the endless loop that keeps recycling us as a food source. But if the archons-reppies are controlling this system don't they have to be located on the astral plane?

Karla might have sent the message that she met good beings there. At least at the astral level an enlightened being would encounter.

So are the mind-controlling, loosh-collecting archons waiting for us on the other side of death, or are benevolent guides there to lead us on a path (which is what I read in hypnotherapy sessions conducted by Michael Newton in his book Journey of Souls)?

I ask this question sincerely. I'm 62 years old, so I want to know all that can be known before I cross over.

Hi Midnight -- i have been saying in some other threads that i am convinced that our controllers have 4D --the mind as it relates to Earth Humans -- also called one of the astral planes -- & the dimension in which both the collective Human unconscious, & the personal , are operating

our controllers have this 4D -- pretty much under their control, & many traps have been carefully laid to prevent Humans from being able to jump into the higher consciousness wave passing thru our solar system now -- they know there will soon be many many humans dying suddenly & traumatically

[wynderer]

i know -- silly me -- all those children REALLY aren't going missing -- & the photos of the Human mutilations are just fakes, & the investigators all just attention-starved weenies

Bliss, here i come!

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Hi wynderer:

I see you are still alive and doing a good job of posting despite all the negative that has occurred in your life! They say that that which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger, so you must be pretty damn strong!

Imagine how much stronger you will find yourself being when you quit buying into all those negative "ideas" you seem to be corded into!

Posted by wynderer (here)

Posted by Midnight (here)
On page 4 of this incredible thread I read that Karla Turner might have sent a message from the other side of death, from presumably the astral plane. She said, "There are good forces here."

I really hope this is a legitimate message from Karla.

The idea of multidimensional loosh collecting archons (reptiles and greys), often involves the idea that they control the reincarnation process, the endless loop that keeps recycling us as a food source. But if the archons-reppies are controlling this system don't they have to be located on the astral plane?

Karla might have sent the message that she met good beings there. At least at the astral level an enlightened being would encounter.

So are the mind-controlling, loosh-collecting archons waiting for us on the other side of death, or are benevolent guides there to lead us on a path (which is what I read in hypnotherapy sessions conducted by Michael Newton in his book Journey of Souls)?

I ask this question sincerely. I'm 62 years old, so I want to know all that can be known before I cross over.

Hi Midnight -- i have been saying in some other threads that i am convinced that our controllers have 4D --the mind as it relates to Earth Humans -- also called one of the astral planes -- & the dimension in which both the collective Human unconscious, & the personal , are operating

our controllers have this 4D -- pretty much under their control, & many traps have been carefully laid to prevent Humans from being able to jump into the higher consciousness wave passing thru our solar system now -- they know there will soon be many many humans dying suddenly & traumatically

[Houman]

Posted by passiglight (here)
Personally speaking i find this thread quite interesting but please excuse me if i note there is much disinfo here.......especially when it comes to the dark archon alliance and Egyptian so called gods..especially where the Ra soul group is concerned..

This is not meant in any way derogatory as there is much good work here, but there is much disinfo amongst trying to lay down solid facts with respect to the dark cabalists and their (i think) ex off world overlords...

This subject is far more fluidic than ordinarily meets the EYE..

COSMIC

You need to be more specific...
the material on archons comes from the Nag Hammadi texts, abduction researchers, shamans (they call them spiritual parasites), and texts such as the Necronomicon...

I don't know where you picked up the "alliance" part from?

Those texts do not mention a "Ra soul group" (this is "law of one" stuff and not part of this thread, again any channeled material should not be taken at face value) but a "Ra entity" (that's the name used by Dr Malanga's group) from what Gnostics saw as a dark universe behind ours (where there is no love, no joy, etc...)

if you think that some elements are not accurate/false then you should specify which part and why (all the sources have been given so you can trace them): this would help putting the pieces of puzzles together (that's all this thread is pieces of a puzzle laid down on the ground, detective work is required if you think that some pieces do not fit or should be thrown away not just "general talk")

[Houman]

Posted by Midnight (here)
So are the mind-controlling, loosh-collecting archons waiting for us on the other side of death, or are benevolent guides there to lead us on a path (which is what I read in hypnotherapy sessions conducted by Michael Newton in his book Journey of Souls)?

That's one of the most important questions... will post on that later...

[Jeffrey]

Choronzon [Coronzon]

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I am I(1) . I have shut myself up from the spendthrifts, my gold is safe in my treasure-chamber, and I have made every living thing my concubine, and none shall touch them, save only I. And yet I am scorched, even while I shiver in the wind. He hateth me and tormenteth me. He would have stolen me from myself, but I shut myself up and mock at him, even while he plagueth me. From me come leprosy and pox and plague and cancer and cholera and the falling sickness. Ah! I will reach up to the knees of the Most High, and tear his phallus with my teeth, and I will bray his testicles in a mortar, and make poison thereof, to slay the sons of men
Crowley, Liber 418:The Vision and the Voice, 10th Aethyr, ZAX

In an essay discussing the seemingly unending fascination of occultists with the Necronomicon, a book of sorcery invented by the pulp writer H.P. Lovecraft (as if you didn’t know!) Colin Low writes:
Choronzon is mentioned only once in John Dee’s diaries, during a communication from the angels concerning the expulsion of Adam from the garden of Eden:
"But Coronzon (for so is the name of that mighty devil), envying man’s felicity, and perceiving that the substance of man’s lesser part was frail and unperfect in respect to his purer essence, began to assail man and so prevailed. By offending so, man became accursed in the sight of God, and so lost both the garden of Felicity and the judgement of his understanding, but not utterly the favour of God. But he was driven forth (as your scriptures record) unto the earth which was covered with brambles. ... But in the same instant when Adam was expelled, the Lord gave unto the world her time, and placed over her Angelic Keepers, Watchmen and Princes." (James p.1)
In this context C(h)oronzon is identical with the Serpent of Genesis, and with the rebellious angel Samael in Jewish midrashic and kabbalistic legend. We can equate Choronzon with the Devil, but I must emphasise this is not the Devil of Christian myth; this is the Devil from myths that predate Christianity.(2)
Low’s point regarding the equivalence of Choronzon with Samael is the key to the mystery of Choronzon for the
malice of Choronzon is not the malice of a being; it is the quality of malice, because he that boasteth himself "I am I", hath in truth no self, and these are they that are fallen under my power, the slaves of the Blind One that boasted himself to be the Enlightened One. For there is no centre, nay, nothing but Dispersion.
--Liber 418, op cit.

In other words, Choronzon is nothing since he has no reality in the Supernal Universe. He is the creator of the material universe but
I have prevailed against the Kingdom of the Father, and befouled his beard; and I have prevailed against the Kingdom of the Son, and torn off his Phallus; but against the Kingdom of the Holy Ghost shall I strive and not prevail.
Which is to say, he cannot stand against the Spirit that comes from the Supernal realm or Plenum. As Low pointed out, Choronzon can be identified with Samael who in Jewish lore is
(the p) rince of the demons, and an important figure both in Talmudic and in post-Talmudic literature, where he appears as accuser, seducer, and destroyer. His name is etymologized as "the venom of God," since he is identical with the angel of death … who slays men with a drop of poison (3)
and
he was regarded simply as the principle of evil that brought upon Israel and Judah every misfortune that befell them. Even at the creation of the world he was Lucifer, who ever sought evil and who began his malignant activity with Adam. (4)

Samael was also part of the cosmologies in some Gnostic sects. The recently discovered Nag Hamadi(5) codices has four texts which contain references to Samael:
1. The Apocryphon of John
2. The Reality of the Rulers
3. On the Origin of the World
4. Trimorphic Protennoia

In the Apocryphon(6) of John, Samael (also called Yaldaboath) is described as
… the first archon who took a great power from his mother. And he removed himself from her and moved away from the places in which he was born. He became strong and created for himself other aeons with a flame of luminous fire which (still) exists now. ...And he placed seven kings – each corresponding to the firmaments of heaven - over the seven heavens, and five over the depth of the abyss, that they may reign. And he shared his fire with them, but he did not send forth from the power of the light which he had taken from his mother, for he is ignorant darkness.
`And when the light had mixed with the darkness, it caused the darkness to shine. And when the darkness had mixed with the light, it darkened the light and it became neither light nor dark, but it became dim.
`Now the archon who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas, and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, `I am God and there is no other God beside me,` for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.
Here Samael is the first of the ‘evil’ or lesser beings created or “conceived from his mother, Sophia of the Epinoia. Notice the use of the number seven as the number of “kings” set over the seven heavens. Samael also creates abortive or deformed Aeons but unlike his mother does not comprehend the evil of his creations as he “is ignorant darkness”.

[...]

The Reality of the Rulers says of Samael:
Their chief is blind; because of his power and his ignorance and his arrogance he said, with his power, `It is I who am God; there is none apart from me.` When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And this speech got up to incorruptibility; then there was a voice that came forth from incorruptibility, saying, `You are mistaken, Samael` - which is, `god of the blind.`
His thoughts became blind. And, having expelled his power - that is, the blasphemy he had spoken - he pursued it down to chaos and the abyss, his mother, at the instigation of Pistis Sophia. And she established each of his offspring in conformity with its power - after the pattern of the realms that are above, for by starting from the invisible world the visible world was invented.
Here, as in the Apocryphon of John, Samael “blasphemes” the higher regions and the powers that reside there saying `It is I who am God; there is none apart from me.` Compare Samael’s blasphemy with Choronzon’s
I feed upon the names of the Most High. I churn them in my jaws, and I void them from my fundament. -- Liber 418, op cit.
The text repeats the same story with some slight variations from the first telling
Opening his eyes, he saw a vast quantity of matter without limit; and he became arrogant, saying, `It is I who am God, and there is none other apart from me`. When he said this, he sinned against the entirety. And a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power, saying, `You are mistaken, Samael` - which is, `god of the blind`.

In the book titled On the Origin of the World:
Now when the heavens had consolidated themselves along with their forces and all their administration, the prime parent became insolent. And he was honored by all the army of angels. And all the gods and their angels gave blessing and honor to him. And for his part, he was delighted and continually boasted, saying to them, `I have no need of anyone.` He said, `It is I who am God, and there is no other one that exists apart from me.` And when he said this, he sinned against all the immortal beings who give answer. And they laid it to his charge.
Then when Pistis saw the impiety of the chief ruler, she was filled with anger. She was invisible. She said, `You are mistaken, Samael,` (that is, `blind god`). `There is an immortal man of light who has been in existence before you, and who will appear among your modelled forms; he will trample you to scorn, just as potter`s clay is pounded. And you will descend to your mother, the abyss, along with those that belong to you. For at the consummation of your (pl.) works, the entire defect that has become visible out of the truth will be abolished, and it will cease to be, and will be like what has never been.` Saying this, Pistis revealed her likeness of her greatness in the waters. And so doing, she withdrew up to her light.
Now when Sabaoth, the son of Yaldabaoth, heard the voice of Pistis, he sang praises to her, and he condemned the father [...] at the word of Pistis; and he praised her because she had instructed them about the immortal man and his light. Then Pistis Sophia stretched out her finger and poured upon him some light from her light, to be a condemnation of his father. Then when Sabaoth was illumined, he received great authority against all the forces of chaos. Since that day he has been called `Lord of the Forces`.

Pistis (faith) condemns the “Chief Ruler”, once again Ialdabaoth or Samael, for his declaring himself god, or the highest power and says
…at the consummation of your (pl.) works, the entire defect that has become visible out of the truth will be abolished, and it will cease to be, and will be like what has never been.
Compare this to Choronzon:
and these are they that are fallen under my power, the slaves of the Blind One that boasted himself to be the Enlightened One. For there is no centre, nay, nothing but Dispersion.
This text also describes the Sabaoth, the ‘son’ of the Demon who is aware of the Higher Realm of the Pleroma and is empowered by the Pistis Sophia to be “a condemnation of his father”. This indicates that Ialdabaoth or Choronzon is not by nature “evil” but has, in believing himself the highest power in the universe, is in ignorance (thus he is called blind) which, as his son Sabaoth having been instructed or illumined by Sophia, is able to be remedied. Therefore Samael/Ialdabaoth is not inherently antithetical to the “Most High” but is out of ignorance and, perhaps rejecting the truth, spite.

The final text we shall examine is the Trimorphic Protennoia:
there appeared the great Demon who rules over the lowest part of the underworld and Chaos. He has neither form nor perfection, but, on the contrary, possesses the form of the glory of those begotten in the darkness. Now he is called `Saklas`, that is, `Samael`, `Yaltabaoth`, he who had taken power; who had snatched it away from the innocent one (Sophia); who had earlier overpowered her who is the Light`s Epinoia(7) who had descended, her from whom he had come forth from originally.
Now when the Epinoia of the Light realized that he (Yaltabaoth) had begged him (the Light) for another order, even though he was lower than she, she said, `Give me another order, so that you may become for me a dwelling place, lest I dwell in disorder forever.` And the order of the entire house of glory was agreed upon her word. A blessing was brought for her and the higher order released it to her.
And the great Demon began to produce aeons in the likeness of the real Aeons, except that he produced them out of his own power.
Here Samael/Yaltabaoth is explicitly called “the Great Demon” who has “neither form nor perfection”. This description is so perfectly fits the comparable text from the Vision and the Voice it is almost impossible to believe that this text was unknown to Crowley, yet there is no doubt the Trimorphic Protenoia was lost for 1600 years and only found, read and translated some 30 years previous to this writing. In keeping with the concept of Samael (and thus Choronzon) as the creator of the false world of form the passage concludes by describing the “creation” of the “great Demon” as a likeness of the real Aeons, except that he produced them out of his own power. There does not seem to be any doubt, considering these texts that Choronzon is the Gnostic Demiurge and, though, as Colin Low points out, was mentioned by Dee only once in his diaries which were written in the 15th century, the Demon has been known, albeit under a different name, for thousands of years.

While it should not be necessary, I will repeat Crowley’s warning from Liber 418; The Major Adept is warned most seriously against attempting to emulate this operation, which is (in any case) improper for him to perform. To call forth Choronzon, unless one be wholly above the Abyss, is to ensure the most appalling and immediate catastrophe. (my emphasis)

As has been already mentioned, the confrontation with the Demon is only possible once the Angel has been called forth from the Abyss. If anyone should be stupid enough to disregard this warning they will run terrible risks. It is not, however, possible in this, the Aeon of Horus, to conceal these concepts any longer, as the unearthing of the Nag Hamadi texts have shown. Therefore, we shall endeavor to provide whatever direction there can be to the would be Adept, as no doubt so many who are now incarnating have done so for expressly this purpose.

Source: http://www.gnostic-scriptorium.com/choronzon.asp

[Jeffrey]

Old thread, "Our Current Predicament: The Elite Black Magic, Archons ..."

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-our-destiny--



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[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)

Posted by Midnight (here)
On page 4 of this incredible thread I read that Karla Turner might have sent a message from the other side of death, from presumably the astral plane. She said, "There are good forces here."

I really hope this is a legitimate message from Karla.

The idea of multidimensional loosh collecting archons (reptiles and greys), often involves the idea that they control the reincarnation process, the endless loop that keeps recycling us as a food source. But if the archons-reppies are controlling this system don't they have to be located on the astral plane?

Karla might have sent the message that she met good beings there. At least at the astral level an enlightened being would encounter.

So are the mind-controlling, loosh-collecting archons waiting for us on the other side of death, or are benevolent guides there to lead us on a path (which is what I read in hypnotherapy sessions conducted by Michael Newton in his book Journey of Souls)?

I ask this question sincerely. I'm 62 years old, so I want to know all that can be known before I cross over.

Hi Midnight -- i have been saying in some other threads that i am convinced that our controllers have 4D --the mind as it relates to Earth Humans -- also called one of the astral planes -- & the dimension in which both the collective Human unconscious, & the personal , are operating

our controllers have this 4D -- pretty much under their control, & many traps have been carefully laid to prevent Humans from being able to jump into the higher consciousness wave passing thru our solar system now -- they know there will soon be many many humans dying suddenly & traumatically

Hi Wynderer - I cannot say for sure anything... but I lean towards a very similar view to yours - There has to be some way to deal with these beings... has to. I know I sound nuts but well, I am no longer afraid of them, how can I be? I have lost everything of human value and know they can take the rest... but as long as I am here, I keep getting the strangest feeling there's a solution - one that works for both parties. Gotta find it.
justoneidiot perhaps

[Chester]

Posted by Sebastion (here)
Hi wynderer:

I see you are still alive and doing a good job of posting despite all the negative that has occurred in your life! They say that that which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger, so you must be pretty damn strong!

Imagine how much stronger you will find yourself being when you quit buying into all those negative "ideas" you seem to be corded into!

Posted by wynderer (here)

Posted by Midnight (here)
On page 4 of this incredible thread I read that Karla Turner might have sent a message from the other side of death, from presumably the astral plane. She said, "There are good forces here."

I really hope this is a legitimate message from Karla.

The idea of multidimensional loosh collecting archons (reptiles and greys), often involves the idea that they control the reincarnation process, the endless loop that keeps recycling us as a food source. But if the archons-reppies are controlling this system don't they have to be located on the astral plane?

Karla might have sent the message that she met good beings there. At least at the astral level an enlightened being would encounter.

So are the mind-controlling, loosh-collecting archons waiting for us on the other side of death, or are benevolent guides there to lead us on a path (which is what I read in hypnotherapy sessions conducted by Michael Newton in his book Journey of Souls)?

I ask this question sincerely. I'm 62 years old, so I want to know all that can be known before I cross over.

Hi Midnight -- i have been saying in some other threads that i am convinced that our controllers have 4D --the mind as it relates to Earth Humans -- also called one of the astral planes -- & the dimension in which both the collective Human unconscious, & the personal , are operating

our controllers have this 4D -- pretty much under their control, & many traps have been carefully laid to prevent Humans from being able to jump into the higher consciousness wave passing thru our solar system now -- they know there will soon be many many humans dying suddenly & traumatically

I can't speak for wynderer, but my guess is that she has had the experiences she has shared with us, they were very real, and that she has not necessarily had any positive ET/ED or astral real or 4th dimension experiences. I take her posts as genuine and honest. Some of us have not had any positive experiences so its sorta hard to "buy into" the positive.

Do you have any positive ET/ED and/or astral realm and/or 4th dimension experiences you might share about? I have yet to hear a single, positive experience in this entire thread and its at 14 pages and many extremely long posts.

[wynderer]

from your post, Justoneman :

I can't speak for wynderer, but my guess is that she has had the experiences she has shared with us, they were very real, and that she has not necessarily had any positive ET/ED or astral real or 4th dimension experiences. I take her posts as genuine and honest. Some of us have not had any positive experiences so its sorta hard to "buy into" the positive.

Do you have any positive ET/ED and/or astral realm and/or 4th dimension experiences you might share about? I have yet to hear a single, positive experience in this entire thread and its at 14 pages and many extremely long posts.

yes, i have had many experiences w/other dimensional beings of a positive nature -- i know that the Light is stronger than the dark -- way stronger -- no doubt in my mind

i tend to be very protective of such experiences & not share them

i don't think you'll find any positive experiences on this thread -- the topic right near the center of the evil

i think those of us who have had evil forced into our faces do some spiritual growing up in a hurry

wyn

[wynderer]

i just watched this thru -- excellent -- a lot of info new to me, & some speeches that you usually only get clips of, in their entirety

a very good case made for ETs & UFOs actually being manifestations of other dimensional beings -- lower dimensional beings masquerading as beings from out in 3D space -- i guess they are choosing this form at this time because Humans are so enthralled w/technology

i'm giving more thought to my own abduction

i found it of interest that Jack Parsons performed rituals at the spot where Area 51 is now located to 'unseal an interdimensional gateway '

what i really wish i had not learned is that when the little babies are sacrificed, they are not drugged, & they scream

Posted by Vivek (here)
Old thread, "Our Current Predicament: The Elite Black Magic, Archons ..."

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-our-destiny--

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[GoodETxSG]

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[Houman]

Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
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Thanks for the delete...

[GoodETxSG]

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Posted by GoodeTXSG (here)
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Thanks for the delete...

Yea, getting rediculous... time to take the high road. I already used the Ignore function...

[Chester]

Posted by Midnight (here)
On page 4 of this incredible thread I read that Karla Turner might have sent a message from the other side of death, from presumably the astral plane. She said, "There are good forces here."

I really hope this is a legitimate message from Karla.

The idea of multidimensional loosh collecting archons (reptiles and greys), often involves the idea that they control the reincarnation process, the endless loop that keeps recycling us as a food source. But if the archons-reppies are controlling this system don't they have to be located on the astral plane?

Karla might have sent the message that she met good beings there. At least at the astral level an enlightened being would encounter.

So are the mind-controlling, loosh-collecting archons waiting for us on the other side of death, or are benevolent guides there to lead us on a path (which is what I read in hypnotherapy sessions conducted by Michael Newton in his book Journey of Souls)?

I ask this question sincerely. I'm 62 years old, so I want to know all that can be known before I cross over.

Check out Poster Ishtar -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nd-more/page45

She suggests "evil" doesn't exist above the Astral Planes... others may have different ideas, but Ishtar has put a great deal of effort into learning about this subject matter and has a good head on her (IMO)

[Houman]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Check out Poster Ishtar -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nd-more/page45

She suggests "evil" doesn't exist above the Astral Planes... others may have different ideas, but Ishtar has put a great deal of effort into learning about this subject matter and has a good head on her (IMO)

I don't know what "above Astral Planes" means but according to the research of Tom Campbell, there are many non physical realities (he and Bob Monroe called them NPR) and some are less constrained than others (according Tom ours is very constrained). According to him some very beautiful and nasty things have developed in the less constrained ones (but he doesn't like to linger on the nasty ones).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uVfaZz6EsXY

His "theory/description" is that "good" entities become powerful through love (he sees that as an organizing principle) and evil entities grow in power by controlling their own mind (this is what Crowley was claiming to achieve through the most abject perversions that I will not describe here)... according to Tom Campbell that second path (evil) is limited...

[Jeffrey]

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
Check out Poster Ishtar -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nd-more/page45

She suggests "evil" doesn't exist above the Astral Planes... others may have different ideas, but Ishtar has put a great deal of effort into learning about this subject matter and has a good head on her (IMO)

I don't know what "above Astral Planes" means but according to the research of Tom Campbell, there are many non physical realities (he and Bob Monroe called them NPR) and some are less constrained than others (according Tom ours is very constrained). According to him some very beautiful and nasty things have developed in the less constrained ones (but he doesn't like ...

 The following was taken from here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post477373

In the link is more information.

                   I have emphasized the distinction between gnosis and belief because it is essential for evaluating Monroe's out- of-body corroboration of the Gnostic world view.  The most striking thing one discovers about Gnostic cosmology is its singularly dark view of human experience. For the Gnostic, the world was created, not by a benevolent Supreme Being, but by a tyrannical demiurge: a demonic entity whose main goal is to keep humans trapped in matter:
 
          We must remember that the role of the demiurge is not  exhausted in his feat of creation, but that, through his "Law" as well as through cosmic Fate, he exercises a  despotic world rule aimed mainly at enslaving man. (5)
                   What is the purpose of such enslavement?  Why would "God" and his agents, called by the Gnostics "Archons" (Gk.: "Rulers"), want to imprison the human soul in matter?  Their answer to this question (presumably obtained via revelations such as out-of-body observation), is that human beings generate a form of energy which the gods need for food.
 
                   What then is the interest of the Archons in opposing the exodus of the soul from the world?  The gnostic  answer is thus recounted by Epiphanius: "They say that  the soul is the food of the Archons and Powers without  which they cannot live, because (the soul) is of the dew
from above and gives them strength."  (6)
 
                   This idea is also found in the Vedic tradition of India,
where it is explicitly stated in the Upanishads that the "Devas" (gods) feed off of human energy:
 
          [Man] is like a beast for the Devas.  For verily, as  many beasts nourish a man, thus does every man nourish  the Devas.  If only one beast is taken away, it is not  pleasant; how much more when many are taken!  Therefore  it is not pleasant to the Devas that men should know 
this.  (7)
 
                   If such a concept sounds anomalous and "far-out," one should realize that it has been around since the beginning of history. The statement that "History begins in Sumer," is a recognition that the first written records were produced there. The "Archon concept," therefore, is arguably one of the first ideas differentiated by human consciousness.
 
         In both Sumerian and Mesopotamian cosmogonic texts the view is set forth that mankind was created to serve the  gods, by building temples for them and offering  sacrifices for their sustenance. With this view of the  purpose of man's being went a corresponding estimate of  human destiny. So long as the gods wanted his services,  the individual lived, and, if he were zealous and  careful in their service, his divine masters would  reward him with prosperity. This was his destiny,  namely, to participate in the divine ordering of things  in the world.  Once the gods ceased to need him, his  raison d'etre ended, and he died.  (8)
 
                   In contemporary terms: spiritual intelligences ("gods") preside over life on earth in much the way that we maintain cattle feed-lots or cultivate broiler chickens on factory farms.  Essentially, they're "soul-eaters." It's a heretical and shocking idea -- diametrically opposed to the reality promulgated by our World Monotheisms.  (Which is one of many reasons why the Gnostics didn't last long: by the fourth century C.E. the "Archons" of the Christian Church had effectively persecuted all organized Gnostic sects into extinction!)
 
                   Robert Monroe gets a first inkling of this "Different Overview" in Journeys Out of The Body when he describes a sequence of events which took place in 1960--about two years after he began having regular out-of-body experiences.  In the first event, he experienced an energy probe that entered his forehead (third-eye chakra?) and began exploring his mind for something he couldn't comprehend:
 
                   It had intelligence of a form beyond my comprehension,
and it came directly (down the beam?) into my head, and  seemed to be searching every memory in my mind. I was  truly frightened because I was powerless to do anything  about this intrusion.  (9)
 
                   About a week later, the same thing occurred again, only this time he became aware that the "something" that the entities were searching for was related to some form of energy within his psyche:
 
                   I got the impression of huge pipes, so ancient they were covered with undergrowth and rust. Something like  oil was passing through them, but it was much higher in  energy than oil, and vitally needed and valuable  elsewhere (assumption: not on this material planet).  This has been going on for aeons of time, and there were other force groups here, taking out the same material on some highly competitive basis, and the material was convertible at some distant point or civilization for something very valuable to entities far above my ability to understand.  (10)
 
                   This high-energy substance, "something like oil," of course relates directly to the gnostic conception of "dew" extracted from the human soul, quoted above. About two weeks later, the entities again invade Monroe's psyche. After they've finished their mind probe and leave his body, he describes it thus:
                   Then they seemed to soar up into the sky, while I      called after them, pleading. Then I was sure that their  mentality and intelligence were far beyond my  understanding.  It is an impersonal, cold intelligence,  with none of the emotions of love or compassion which we respect so much, yet this may be the omnipotence we call God.  Visits such as these in mankind's past could well  have been the basis for all of our religious beliefs,  and our knowledge today could provide no better answers  than we could a thousand years past.
 
                   By this time, it was getting light, and I sat down and cried, great deep sobs as I have never cried before,  because I knew without any qualification or future hope  of change that the God of my childhood, of the churches, of religion throughout the world was not as we worshipped him to be -- that for the rest of my life, I  would `suffer' the loss of this illusion.  (11)
 
                   This, if nothing else, is a gnostic initiation -- undoubtedly similar to thousands that have occurred to isolated individuals throughout human history.  But we don't read of Monroe's complete discovery until Far Journeys -- that's where the full force of the ancient gnostic world view emerges in chilling detail...
 
                   It is now a good two-decades later, and Robert Monroe has become, by any definition, a Master Shaman -- able to leave his body at will, virtually whenever he pleases.  He is comfortable travelling in "Locale-II" (though he no longer calls it that, feeling it's too vague a label for what he's now perceiving), and has become accustomed to meeting discarnate entities there.  He even "makes friends" with a few and has ongoing interactions with them.
 
                   Two of these beings, arbitrarily labeled "AA" and "BB," occupy a good deal of his attention.  Their communication in hyperspace does not involve words as we understand them, and is to all intents and purposes "telepathic."  Obviously, spoken language (which consists of vibrations produced in a physical larynx and enunciated via tongue and mouth through the earth's atmosphere), is irrelevant in the non-physical realms.  In hyperspace, information is conveyed, not serially, in words, sentences and paragraphs, but instantly in one comprehensive gestalt.  Monroe has coined the word "rote" to describe these packets of information, and it is precisely because of the difficulty he has in translating them into word sequences, that he often uses fiction techniques in his writing.
 
                   At any rate, in Chapter 12 of Far Journeys, Robert Monroe receives a rote from the discarnate entity, BB.  The translation takes up ten pages: 162 to 172, and is a devastatingly accurate synopsis of the Gnostic world view. (This section is, of course, much too long too quote here in full, so the following is a brief summation -- "Ident" is Monroe's term for "Mental name or "address," i.e., energy  pattern of item," and "Loosh" might be described in gnostic terms as "the dew from above [that] gives them strength.")  Here's the "Loosh Rote" as translated by Robert Monroe into English:
 
          Someone, Somewhere (or both, in millions, or  uncountable) requires, likes, needs, values, collects,  drinks, eats, or uses as a drug (sic) a substance ident Loosh.  (Electricity, oil, oxygen, gold, wheat, water,  land, old coins, uranium.) This is a rare substance in  Somewhere, and those who possess Loosh find it vital for whatever it is used for. Faced with this question of Supply and Demand (a  universal law of Somewhere), Someone decided to produce it artificially, so to speak, rather than search for it in its "natural" form. He decided to build a Garden and grow Loosh.  (12)
                   "Someone" (who else but the Gnostic demiurge?), turns out to be one entity among many: a god among gods.  As the rote unfolds we learn how Someone seeded His Garden (obviously planet earth), and evolved life forms upon it to eventually produce human beings.  He then appointed Collectors to gather the Loosh/Emotional Energy from the earth's entities, among whom humans are by far the best producers.
Someone, his work completed, returned to Somewhere and  occupied himself with other matters. Loosh production  stayed at a constant level under the supervision of the Collectors.  (13)
 
                   The Loosh harvest initially involved the creation of natural disasters (earthquakes, hurricanes, etc.), to kill off large numbers of creatures, since Loosh was easier to gather upon the deaths of the organisms generating it.  Then it was discovered that different forms of "stress" generated in the human population would release Loosh without having to kill the organism.  This was because Someone, as an experiment, injected a "Piece of Himself" into the human species.  This was done to maintain more or less constant stress in each individual since the human would always "seek to satisfy the attraction this tiny mote of Himself engendered as it sought reunion with the infinite Whole." From experience, the Collectors have evolved an entire  technology with complementary tools for the harvesting  of Loosh from the Type 4M [i.e. human] units.  The most  common have been named love, friendship, family, greed,  hate, pain, guilt, disease, pride, ambition, ownership,  possession, sacrifice -- and on a larger scale, nations, provincialism, wars, famine, religion, machines,  freedom, industry, trade, to list just a few. Loosh  production is higher than ever before...  (14)
 
                   From a Gnostic perspective, the "Loosh Collectors" are the "Archons" -- the dreaded rulers of hyperspace who had to be avoided at all costs when leaving the body at death.
 
                   The Archons collectively rule over the world, and each  individually in his sphere is a warder of the cosmic prison.  Their tyrannical world-rule is called  heimarmene, universal fate ... [This universal fate] aims at the enslavement of man.  As guardian of his       sphere, each Archon bars the passage to the souls that seek to  ascend after death, in order to prevent their  escape from the world and their return to God.  (15)
 
                   But because all humans contain a "Piece of Someone" within them, they cannot really die, so are reincarnated over and over again as Loosh producers in spacetime.  The true Gnostic, then, is the person who has objectively observed this vicious cycle (presumably by "getting outside of himself" via OOBE) and, with his newfound knowledge (gnosis), is enabled to escape into the truly spiritual realms beyond the earth environment.  This is only possible because the Divine (sic?) spark within him renders him immortal.
 
                   Enclosed in the soul is the spirit, or "pneuma" (called also the "spark"), a portion of the divine substance  from beyond which has fallen into the world; and the  Archons created man for the express purpose of keeping  it captive there ... In its unredeemed state the pneuma thus immersed in soul and flesh is unconscious of  itself, benumbed, asleep, or intoxicated by the poison  of the world: in brief, it is "ignorant." Its awakening and liberation is effected through "knowledge..." The  goal of gnostic striving is the release of the "inner man" from the bonds of the world and his return to his native realm of light. (16)
 
                   It's important to note that Gnostic cosmology perceives the physical earth as surrounded by concentric hyperspatial "spheres" or "rings" which were regarded by them as palpable barriers.  Each one of these circle-realms is presided over by an Archon whose only purpose in life is to capture any passing souls who may have escaped the lower rings.
 
          These intermediary worlds, these circles ranged in  echelons ... are totally invisible to us. It is through  intuition, or rather through revelation, through gnosis, that the Gnostic knows of their existence ... Our own  matter, that of the earth ... is in some way the seed of the ethereal particles of the hyper-world, but grown  infinitely heavier. Little by little, these particles  have fallen down to our level as the result of a  primordial drama which comprises the history of our  universe, in the same manner that particles of dust and  debris are slowly deposited at the bottom of marine  abysses to form sediment.  (17)
                   When I read this seemingly exotic idea for the first time, I assumed (like most gnostic scholars probably do), that it was a theological allegory. "Surely," one without gnosis might say, "the idea of literal rings around the earth is the product of some ancient philosopher's metaphorical imagination." Then I came across this passage in Far Journeys -- Monroe is here describing what he routinely encounters in his (by now vastly expanded) out-of-body explorations:
 
Around the planet were rings of haze, gigantic thick  rings, of indeterminate number. Demarcation between them was vague as wisps and tendrils reached down from one to the other. Except the ring nearly touching the planet  itself.  It appeared isolated ...  You could spend       thousands of years in the rings and never explore all  aspects of them.  Some parts are great, some not so  great.  I was told that whatever man can think of is  somewhere in these rings ... Also I was told some humans do spend thousands of years here, rotating in and out of
physical earth life.  (18)
 
                   In other words, the "rings" constitute the heaven and hell worlds which have always been a part of human mythology. They are made up of the belief systems of both the discarnate entities who dwell within them, and similar true believers still incarnate in physical bodies.  Indeed, in Ultimate  Journey, his third book, Monroe no longer refers to them as rings at all, but as "Belief System Territories."
 
                   William Buhlman, another contemporary gnostic-shaman, in describing out-of-body perception in his book Adventures
Beyond the Body (1996), portrays these discarnate realms as "consensus environments."
 
          A consensus environment is any environment or reality  that is created and maintained by the thoughts of a  group of individuals. For example, the heavens of each  religious group are created by the thoughts and beliefs  of their respective inhabitants. Like all realities, the consensus environments are molded by the group  consciousness.  Many of the consensus environments are  extremely old and resistant to change ... In a consensus environment, our thoughts influence our personal energy  but not the energy surrounding us. The various heavens  referred to by Saint John in Revelation and Mohammed in  the Koran are classic examples of consensus  environments.  These nonphysical cities and structures  exist within the second and third energy dimensions and  continue to be molded and maintained by the group  consciousness of millions of nonphysical inhabitants.  When we enter these environments, our thoughts will not 
change the structures encountered.  (19)                 
 
              Obviously, if these rings are the objective correlatives of the subtle energies that we label "belief," they must be to some degree "illusory," very much like dreams, which for all of their insubstantiality, are certainly real enough while we're experiencing them.  One way to conceptualize this space in toto might be to imagine it as analogous to theM Jungian "Collective Unconscious" -- except that here it is perceived objectively, outside of the body, rather than as usually experienced: subjectively, within our heads.
 
                   In the Gnostic conception, each soul leaving the physical body at death, is challenOrged to pass through these rings.  If the soul is locked into a strong belief system it will be attracted to the ring corresponding to it: Christians go to Christian heavens or hells, Muslims go to Muslim heavens or hells, etc. Those who spent their earth lives locked into other beliefs wind up exactly where their heads are at the moment of death.  This of course, is exactly what the Bardo Thodol describes as the first reality perceived by the soul as it leaves the body at death:
 
                   The apparitional visions seen by the deceased in the  Intermediate State are not visions of reality, but nothing more than the hallucinatory embodiments of the thought-forms born of the mental-content of the percipient; or, in other words, they are the  intellectual impulses which have assumed personified  form in the after-death dream state.  (20)
 
                   Buhlman states it more succinctly:
 
                   When your physical body dies, you will automatically go to the energy level (frequency) of the universe that corresponds to your personal vibratory rate.  (21)
 
                   Thus: "Belief System Territories," or, if you prefer: "Consensus Environments."
 
                   The shaman's special talent is the ability to visit these spaces while still incarnate -- he or she doesn't have to wait until the moment of death to perceive them.  And, like visiting a foreign country here on earth, it isn't necessary for the visitor to share the beliefs of its inhabitants to be able to perceive their consensus reality "objectively" -- i.e.  outside of that particular belief system.
 
                   Here, accompanied by his discarnate companion BB, Monroe describes what it's like to actually enter the Belief System Territories, corroborating that they are mirror images of many physical life environments:
 
                  We began to enter the familiar cleared areas in the  haze. Houses, parks, fields of growing plants, woods,  forests, large buildings, rows of churches, it went on  endlessly. Humanoid forms were busily occupying  themselves in numerous earth-type activities.  (22)
 
                   Emmanuel Swedenborg (1688--1772), the great Swedish mystic, spent the last three decades of his life exploring
the same realms that Robert Monroe did in our era.  He was definitely a shaman (though he is seldom described as such), and he probably wouldn't have liked that label himself, being very much a Protestant Christian -- a belief system which unfortunately colors all of his discarnate perceptions.  Here he describes what "the rings" (though he doesn't use that nomenclature) looked like about 200 years before Monroe visited them:
          Be it known that the spiritual world, in external  appearance, is altogether similar to the natural [i.e. "physical"] world.  Lands, mountains, hills, valleys,  plains, fields, lakes, rivers and fountains appear there  ... Man, there, is an angel and a spirit. This is  premised that it may be known that the universe of the  spiritual world is altogether similar to the universe of the natural world. (23)
 
                   The main goal of the Gnostic was to eliminate belief entirely from his life, replacing it with gnosis. In which case, his soul was enabled to transcend the rings entirely -- to escape into the "True Reality," to find the "True God" beyond the Belief System Territories, exempt now from reincarnation in the earth life system, which (as Buddhism has always asserted), is preeminently an "illusion" anyway.
 
          Man's task is to regain his lost homeland by wrenching  himself free of the snares and illusions of the real, to  rediscover the original unity, to find again the kingdom  of this God who was unknown, or imperfectly 
known, to all preceding religions.  (24)
 
                   This was no easy task, even for the Gnostics, because one always had to run the gauntlet of the Archons.  Who, or what, the Archons are has been argued about for millennia, and it is still not easy to differentiate exactly what they represent.  The authors of the Bardo Thodol mention Peaceful and Wrathful Deities, who are conceived of as the personification of our own beliefs and could easily be thought of as Archons -- this fits the scheme outlined here.
 
                   But there the Archons' primary function as "guardians of the threshold" seems to end.  Although Swedenborg describes angels and demons presiding over the various heavens and hells, entry into those realms is not seen to involve any encounter with either Loosh Collectors or Archons.  For example:
 
          After the first state is passed through ... the man-  spirit is let into the state of his interiors, or into  the state of his interior will and the thought  therefrom, in which he had been in the world, when being left to himself he thought freely and without restraint. Into this state he glides unconsciously. (25)
 
                   Despite the rather twisted prose, we recognize that "interiors" translates as "beliefs," and the "state of his interiors" (unless they are totally unique to that individual), would correspond to our definition of consensus realities.  So what happened to the Gnostic Archons?  Buhlman doesn't mention meeting them, nor do Fox and Muldoon. Monroe's concept of "Loosh Collectors" fits their description, but it is highly significant that although he learned about them from the "Loosh Rote," he never (except as presented in quotations 8 through 10, above), describes encountering other discarnate entities resembling either Archons or Collectors -- and he definitely doesn't perceive the rings as being subject to their specific control.
 
                   Initially disturbed by the Loosh Rote, Monroe had a great deal of trouble integrating it into his "Reality Percept;" he goes so far as to imagine a Guernsey cow being milked by its owner as an allegory of the human/Archon- Collector relationship:
 
                   ...But now, at sunset, it is time again. She must go to His place. There is a goading pain on her underside that tells her this ... While she eats, He will relieve the pain until morning. After that the Man will walk  away with white water in a round container. The Guernsey does not know where he got the white water nor why He  desires it. Not knowing, she doesn't care. (26)
 
                   This may be too benign a view when compared with the Gnostics' conception of the Archons as demonic prison guards. Monroe eventually came to terms with the Loosh Rote after consulting a high-level discarnate entity, he calls an "Inspec" (for "intelligent species"), who advised him while out-of-body.  Eventually, he accepts this reality as an unavoidable truth of existence: since we cannot do anything about it anyway (like paying taxes), we are best advised to accept it and get on with our own personal growth.  Perhaps that is the solution the Gnostics chose as well, though many legitimate questions remain.  Perhaps significantly, Monroe never mentions it again.
 
                   Obviously, there is more to this subject than meets the eye.  By the time we reach Ultimate Journey, the final book in Monroe's trilogy, the structure of hyperspace has become infinitely more complex, though our Archon questions (plus a few others raised in his previous volumes), are never completely answered.  Before we can examine Monroe's magnum opus, we must first attempt to fill those gaps with data obtained from other sources.  This will be subject of the next article in this series.
 
                   Excerpted from The Structure of Reality, a work in  progress.

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THE ETHERIC DOUBLE
 
          The so-called etheric double is an energy body which is more or less "hard-wired" into the physical. Although it does dissociate from the physical body during sleep, it cannot travel more than a short distance away from it. It has only a rudimentary awareness, corresponding in some respects to the Kabbalistic concept of the nefesh, or "animal soul." The Theosophists describe it thus:
 
          The etheric double...[is] the exact duplicate of the  visible body, particle for particle, and the medium  through which play all the electrical and vital currents on which the activity of the body depends.  (15)
 
          Those familiar with computers might regard the etheric double as a kind of "DOS" -- the Data Operating System which activates the physical body. Robert Monroe describes his own etheric double this way:
 
          One of the earliest discoveries ... was that I had more  than one nonphysical body ... My physical body appeared  to be not one, but two -- much as when your vision is slightly impaired by astigmatism ... I began to take  particular notice of physical reentry and found that I  did indeed reenter a second form just prior to the  physical body ... I could stay in the second body,  hovering near the physical, but could move no more than ten or fifteen feet away.  (16)
 
          Since consciousness cannot function very well in the etheric double, it holds comparatively little interest for us in this discussion.  The body that most people experience while in the OOBE state of awareness is the so-called astral, or emotional body.
 
THE ASTRAL BODY
 
          The celebrated astral body is known in Hindu philosophy
as both mayavirupa (Skt: "shining illusory body") and kamarupa (Skt: "desire body"), and the astral plane itself is called the Kamaloka, or "desire world."  (Since much of Theosophy is based upon Vedic and Buddhist concepts, its earlier authors usually used the terminology of those systems.) This is the body Monroe describes traveling in while visiting the lower rings of Locale-II (i.e. Kamaloka). As portrayed in our previous articles, it is quintessentially an emotional-desire vehicle -- sexuality being perhaps the most compelling force experienced while in this state of awareness.  Here is a description of what the astral body of an average person might look like when seen by an out-of-body observer:
 
When he is asleep a separation has occurred, and we see 
the physical body -- the dense body and the etheric  double -- lying by themselves on the bed, while the  astral body is floating in the air above them. If the  person we are studying is one of mediocre development,  the astral body when separated from the physical is the  somewhat shapeless mass before described; it cannot go  far away from its physical body, it is useless as a  vehicle of consciousness, and the man within it is in a  very vague and dreamy condition, unaccustomed to act  away from his physical vehicle ... The whole effect  given to the observer is one of sleepiness and  vagueness, the astral body lacking all definite activity and floating idly, inchoate, above the sleeping physical
form. (17)
 
          Contrast this description with how an advanced adept, such as Oliver Fox, Robert Monroe or William Buhlman might appear to someone with astral vision:
 
          But if a person be observed who is much more developed,  say one who is accustomed to function in the astral  world and to use the astral body for that purpose, it  will be seen that when the physical body goes to sleep  and the astral body slips out it, we have the man before us in full consciousness; the astral body is clearly  outlined and definitely organized, bearing the likeness  of the man, and the man is able to use it as a vehicle -- a vehicle far more convenient than the physical. (17)
          It is significant to observe that few modern out-of-body explorers make further distinctions between their subtle bodies, leaving the impression that the etheric and astral vehicles are all there are. The Theosophists however, have differentiated realms and bodies of ever increasing abstraction.  Traditionally, the next level of subtlety is the mental plane, and of course the vehicle used to explore this realm is referred to as the mental body.
 
THE MENTAL BODY
 
          The mental body sheathes the astral body in the same way
that the astral body sheathes the etheric double, which in turn sheathes the physical body. Indeed, all fit into one another like Chinese boxes. They constitute the spectrum of our aura -- each body and its perceptual attainments being represented by a range of colors visible to those observers with the ability to see them.
 
          It goes without saying that when consciousness is focused in the physical vessel, none of these subtle bodies feels like a "body" -- each is experienced as a capacity of  awareness: when thinking, we use the mental "body," when feeling, it's the emotional "body." It is only while in the disembodied state that we perceive these functions as differentiated vehicles of perception.
 
          Experienced out-of-body observers are unanimous in saying that the mental body (whether or not they call it that), in the upper rings of Locale-II (i.e., the mental plane) is perceived as an ovoid sphere:
 
          [The mental body] does not, like the astral body, become a distinct representation of the man in form and feature when it is working in connection with the astral and physical bodies; it is oval -- egg-like -- in outline, interpenetrating of course the physical and astral bodies, and surrounding them with a radiant atmosphere  as it develops -- becoming, as I said, larger and larger as the intellectual growth increases.  Needless to say, this egg-like form becomes a very beautiful and glorious object as the man develops the higher capacities of the mind: it is not visible to astral sight, but is clearly seen by the higher vision which belongs to the world of 
mind.  (18)
 
          Everyone from Fox to Buhlman has described this ovoid perceptual sphere, though they seldom differentiate it
specifically as a "mental" vehicle. Here's Fox's description:
 
        Occasionally I have not been able to see any astral body
when I looked for it -- no legs, no arms, no body! -- an extraordinary sensation -- just a consciousness, a man invisible even to himself, passing through busy streets or whizzing through space.  (19)
 
                   Notice how Fox still refers to his body as "astral." This suggests that one's perception fades from one vehicle to
another without necessarily being being able to feel the change.  Monroe, for example, never differentiates beyond the term "second body," regardless of the realm he's visiting:
 
                   In the early stages of OBE activity, you seem to retain
the form of your physical body -- head, shoulders, arms, legs, and so on. As you become more familiar with this  other state of being, you may become less humanoid in  shape. It is similar to gelatin when taken out of the  mold. For a short period it retains the form of the  mold; then it begins to melt around the edges and 
finally it becomes a liquid or a blob. (20)
 
                   A Theosophical Initiate might explain that Monroe only noticed that his "second" body changed when he began visiting the upper rings, which is to say, when he passed from the astral realm into the mental.  Monroe himself never makes that differentiation, and he is so adept at this point in his development, that he takes his egg-shaped spherical body completely for granted.
 
                   Because all of these bodies and their higher-dimensional environments interpenetrate the physical, the illusion is that we are "One." We encounter spacetime as egos inhabiting physical "vessels" experiencing relatively integrated sensations, feelings, thoughts and intuitions.  However, this conviction of unity is illusory, for the truth is that we are not One at all: we are actually the projections of a higher Essence, or "Self."  The proper Theosophical term for this transcendental entity is the causal body.
 
THE CAUSAL BODY
 
                   The causal body is the most vitally important, yet probably least understood, concept within the Perennial Philosophy. Without a working grasp of what it represents, one's spiritual evolution is severely hampered.  The consciousness represented by the causal body is nothing less than our true substance, our "essence," the source of all our potential. In conception it corresponds exactly to the Jungian Self, as we shall see.
 
                   Each causal body is one of the sparks from the original Monad which has descended to the causal plane -- that spiritual realm situated immediately above (when visualized three-dimensionally) the rarefied outer rings of the mental plane.  (I use three-dimensional terms solely for ease in visualization -- in actuality, all realms interpenetrate.)
 
                   For all practical purposes, the causal plane represents the outer limit of "human" functioning. There are dimensions beyond this realm to be sure, but they are too ethereal for pragmatic apprehension at our level.  In his last book, Ultimate Journey, Robert Monroe penetrated the spaces beyond the rings, but was "sent back" because he wasn't ready to explore them yet.  For now, we will be doing very well indeed if we can learn to orient our awareness to the causal body/Self and attune ourselves to its intentions.

[Midnight]

Justoneman, I agree Ishtar's post is a good one. I remember reading Don Juan's description of how a shaman deals with the parasites (archons?). I unfortunately am not a shaman. But I seem to recall Don Juan saying we have a glowing radiant coat that the parasites consume, leaving us with just a bit that doesn't extend above our feet. And that by doing spiritual work, and I'm guessing he means meditation and staying away from negative, emotional situations, our glowing coat gradually grows back to it's natural dimension. And maybe the parasites start looking for easier prey.

In this thread, Houman posted a John Lash article, in which Lash suggested the gnostics used kundalini power to protect themselves from the archons. I meditate every day. And I lead a very peaceful, unstressful life now that I am retired. I feel the kundalini energy growing stronger in me. I feel more and more inner peace. Maybe the glowing coat Don Juan talked about has grown above the level of my feet. I can only hope this is true.

The best case scenario is that when I die I end up in a higher level of the astral plane where the illuminati and the archons are not permitted. But I imagine anybody who somehow manages to bypass the archontic roadblock probably feels he or she has to return to this messed-up world to help those that remain trapped. The bodhisattva of buddhism. It would be a hard decision, with freedom shining in the distance.

[wynderer]

Vivek, thank you for your long & informative post #276 --
a quote from it:

The most striking thing one discovers about Gnostic cosmology is its singularly dark view of human experience. For the Gnostic, the world was created, not by a benevolent Supreme Being, but by a tyrannical demiurge: a demonic entity whose main goal is to keep humans trapped in matter:

We must remember that the role of the demiurge is not exhausted in his feat of creation, but that, through his "Law" as well as through cosmic Fate, he exercises a despotic world rule aimed mainly at enslaving man. (5)
What is the purpose of such enslavement? Why would "God" and his agents, called by the Gnostics "Archons" (Gk.: "Rulers"), want to imprison the human soul in matter? Their answer to this question (presumably obtained via revelations such as out-of-body observation), is that human beings generate a form of energy which the gods need for food.

What then is the interest of the Archons in opposing the exodus of the soul from the world? The gnostic answer is thus recounted by Epiphanius: "They say that the soul is the food of the Archons and Powers without which they cannot live, because (the soul) is of the dew
from above and gives them strength." (6)

i especially wanted to comment on this:
'For the Gnostic, the world was created, not by a benevolent Supreme Being, but by a tyrannical demiurge: a demonic entity whose main goal is to keep humans trapped in matter'

perhaps by 'world' the Gnostics meant the world of the Human mind & what Humans have created on this planet w/that mind, both personal & collective -- &, since most Human minds are under the control of the demiurge [aka the devil] & his archons [aka demons, etc], this world has been created according to the demiurge's plans -- the world of hierarchical power structures, wars, poverty, the unstopping cruelty to animals & little children, etc, etc

but not for one NY minute do i believe that anyone but the Creator created this beautiful planet Earth, & all the beautiful forms of Life on her --

i have been saying for a long time that when the 'benevolent' ETs say that they 'created' Humans, they are lying -- the most they can do is tamper w/human DNA, or do the horrific Nazi/Dulce/supersoldier types of cloning/robotizing, etc

it's the tampering w/the Human mind which is most effective to get to the juicy & valued Human soul -- even the use of the words 'gods' & 'archons' affect the unconscious

defintion of 'archon' from Wikipedia:
Archon (Gr. ἄρχων, pl. ἄρχοντες) is a Greek word that means "ruler" or "lord", frequently used as the title of a specific public office. It is the masculine present participle of the verb stem ἀρχ-, meaning "to rule", derived from the same root as monarch, hierarchy, and anarchy.

wyn

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
Check out Poster Ishtar -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...nd-more/page45

She suggests "evil" doesn't exist above the Astral Planes... others may have different ideas, but Ishtar has put a great deal of effort into learning about this subject matter and has a good head on her (IMO)

I don't know what "above Astral Planes" means but according to the research of Tom Campbell, there are many non physical realities (he and Bob Monroe called them NPR) and some are less constrained than others (according Tom ours is very constrained). According to him some very beautiful and nasty things have developed in the less constrained ones (but he doesn't like to linger on the nasty ones).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uVfaZz6EsXY

His "theory/description" is that "good" entities become powerful through love (he sees that as an organizing principle) and evil entities grow in power by controlling their own mind (this is what Crowley was claiming to achieve through the most abject perversions that I will not describe here)... according to Tom Campbell that second path (evil) is limited...

[Alie]

Very interesting from Gordon Duff May 3, 2012 ... in the name of religion ...

Click here for entire article "Ain't Nobody Gonna Like This"

Here's an excerpt toward the end of the article:

"Malachi Martin, former Vatican Secretary of State and best selling author said the fastest growing religion in the world is Satanism. According to Martin, the most vulnerable populations were Catholic Jesuits, Jews, Evangelical Christians and certain sects of Islam. Iran recognizes Satanists, those who worship or consort with “jinns” as a security threat.

Western security organizations come upon continual references to Satanism and Satanic rituals among America’s oldest and most powerful families, within the military academies and throughout the news and entertainment industry.

Most secret societies are Satanists, the groups talked about in blogs as running the world or cultivating new and more “evil” leaders. Their rituals are all Satanic, disguised behind phony tradition and “hazing.” Blood sacrifice, child murder, these are common crimes among the powerful, crimes that surfaced during the Franklin affair. Pedophiles are not the issue, Satanism is… and child kidnapping and murder in Washington, is known of and accepted by all in government.

Does this explain a thing or two?

Almost all Satanists attend regular worship as Christians, Muslims and Jews, the use of “cover” a key part of their belief system.

Fr. Malachi Martin claims that many, some very powerful, some seemingly ordinary, but in numbers beyond imagination, are inhabited by demons and that religion is in denial of this.

If you meet someone “infested or possessed,” they will tell you, or could if they would, that they are the rational ones, the enlightened, that their “god” is the only real god and that “that other guy” went on vacation long ago. This is why so many Jesuits are Satanists, like the coven here in Toledo, look into Father Gerald Miller. Try to get past the edited versions.

I mention this only in passing. When I think of Dr. Aafia, kidnapped, raped, tortured, children killed, all done by American military officers, or of the Rodriguez torture policies or the look of Bush and Cheney I have moments when I fear Martin may be right and that my own rationalism and humanism may be hiding a supernatural world of endless evil that fills our lives every day and can never be described with conventional rational beliefs.

I read the Wikipedia of former General Paul Vallely related to a defense firm today. Is this a total lie, a “hit piece” by Wikipedia or is he “one of them.” If I am wrong about religion then are most religious wrong about something else?"

[wynderer]

i watched the video below [thanks to Vivek for posting it] last night -- almost 2 hrs long -- well worth the time

but very disturbing to me -- not because i learned for the first time the extent & power of evil in this world, but because of putting some more pieces together regarding those who are abducted by 'ETs'

many covens meet in Christian churches & Synagogues & other places of Human worship

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=atxGNYrBftI

Posted by Alie (here)
Very interesting from Gordon Duff May 3, 2012 ... in the name of religion ...

Click here for entire article "Ain't Nobody Gonna Like This"

Here's an excerpt toward the end of the article:

"Malachi Martin, former Vatican Secretary of State and best selling author said the fastest growing religion in the world is Satanism. According to Martin, the most vulnerable populations were Catholic Jesuits, Jews, Evangelical Christians and certain sects of Islam. Iran recognizes Satanists, those who worship or consort with “jinns” as a security threat.

Western security organizations come upon continual references to Satanism and Satanic rituals among America’s oldest and most powerful families, within the military academies and throughout the news and entertainment industry.

Most secret societies are Satanists, the groups talked about in blogs as running the world or cultivating new and more “evil” leaders. Their rituals are all Satanic, disguised behind phony tradition and “hazing.” Blood sacrifice, child murder, these are common crimes among the powerful, crimes that surfaced during the Franklin affair. Pedophiles are not the issue, Satanism is… and child kidnapping and murder in Washington, is known of and accepted by all in government.

Does this explain a thing or two?

Almost all Satanists attend regular worship as Christians, Muslims and Jews, the use of “cover” a key part of their belief system.

Fr. Malachi Martin claims that many, some very powerful, some seemingly ordinary, but in numbers beyond imagination, are inhabited by demons and that religion is in denial of this.

If you meet someone “infested or possessed,” they will tell you, or could if they would, that they are the rational ones, the enlightened, that their “god” is the only real god and that “that other guy” went on vacation long ago. This is why so many Jesuits are Satanists, like the coven here in Toledo, look into Father Gerald Miller. Try to get past the edited versions.

I mention this only in passing. When I think of Dr. Aafia, kidnapped, raped, tortured, children killed, all done by American military officers, or of the Rodriguez torture policies or the look of Bush and Cheney I have moments when I fear Martin may be right and that my own rationalism and humanism may be hiding a supernatural world of endless evil that fills our lives every day and can never be described with conventional rational beliefs.

I read the Wikipedia of former General Paul Vallely related to a defense firm today. Is this a total lie, a “hit piece” by Wikipedia or is he “one of them.” If I am wrong about religion then are most religious wrong about something else?"