Drake: Updates, clarifications and more

[Ishtar]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by araucaria (here)
I was unaware that this message was being sent to other profile pages. Since the facility exists to send messages to multiple users, it is legitimate on this forum. It was used recently by The One to advertise his website, I don't recall seeing any objections to that.

There were concerns with a member posting links to his own forum as Visitor Messages on many members profile pages, but these concerns were resolved amicably and out of public view.

We request that Visitor Messages not be used for delivering the same message to many members who weren't expecting such.

Thank you Paul. This would cover The One's case - I have seen his message on every profile page I have visited (not many!). However, in the case of kk4aei, it came in the course of an exchange of messages. I have not seen it anywhere else, including on Ishtar's page, she must have deleted it.

Yes, I deleted it, after posting a message on his Profile about why his post wasn't welcome on mine. His message wasn't as a result of any conversation I'd with him, because there had been none.

I think that form is as important as substance. We shouldn't have to choose between two sides of the same coin.

[xbusymom]

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?

obviously the same place you get the time to read it...

[KiwiElf]

Posted by xbusymom (here)

Posted by seigiarchon (here)
where the hell do you guys find the time to participate in all this bs?

obviously the same place you get the time to read it...

It's called.... multi-tasking!

[KiwiElf]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Bill, well he is an aussie and I have a soft spot for them, so maybe he is backing me, LOL.

I'm a Brit with a South African hat and Canadian Parents, who was raised in West Africa. But when I was in Australia, even some of the Aussies thought I was an Aussie.



Re Drake, Nancy's post here summed up the situation perfectly:

So....let me get this straight...Drake is involved in a planned take down of the government and its unfair systems within a month or two at the most. With these HUGE changes and as busy as he is he still has time to start a lawsuit against Kerry or anyone else who doesn't believe him or has said something about him that he didn't like???? This is the final nail in the coffin as far as him having ANY believability whatsoever for me!!

He's a proponent of taking DOWN the system yet he will USE that system of NONjustice to hassle someone who has only stated their truths! Even if he doesn't follow through with a lawsuit, just the THREAT of it shows what kind of person he is. What a CROCK!!! My ambivalence towards Drake has now turned towards distaste. I don't respond well to any kind of intimidation and I would hope that others weren't so gleeful at the thought of Drake suing ANYONE who has spoken against him. Obviously he's not a believer in free speech other than for himself. It's absolutely disgusting!

The entire affair is a pantomime. I'm amazed that this is not obvious to everyone.

Yes, all of the above ... and what's ironic is that he's been hung by his own petard.

Drake stated clearly, and in a response to a direct question about it, that he wasn't associated with any Dragon group and specifically the White Dragon society.

Now he's threatening people who, through honest research found out that he was, with implied violence from the very Dragon group HE LIED ABOUT BEING AFFILIATED TO.

So so much for freedom of speech under a Drake regime.

I think Vivek should be knighted.

ahem... he said all along Ishtar, that he was associated - past tense - is no longer associated - please check out the transcript. You are reading meaning into it that is not there... and that is EXACTLY what Drake was getting at

Drake QUOTE: "...at one time I was affiliated with a group known as Loyal Order of the Royal Dragon..."

Nor do I see him saying ANYWHERE,... that he is suing ANYONE, can you?.

[Ishtar]

KiwiElf

You are wrong. He denied it.

It was in an earlier interview, 40 mins into 22 April 22A http://www.wolfspiritradio.com/archi...e-hours2-3.mp3

In this interview, he stated categorically that he wasn't a part of any Dragon-related group as a result of a caller coming back in on a sort of 'back door' phone line to ask his question again, because Drake had tried to throw up a load of pink smoke around it the first time of asking.

Drake was asked if he was associated with any Dragon groups and particularly the White Dragons, and he said "No". That truth would have been "I used to be, but not any longer." But it was a firm "No".

Vivek was only acting as any diligent researcher in uncovering Drake's links to LORD. Now it turns out that Drake IS specifically associated with the White Dragon group, because he is threatening reprisals from them to those who uncovered this association to LORD.

If he wasn't associated with the White Dragon group, he couldn't threaten people with it.

Of course Drake is threatening to sue... and that's not the worst of it. He is implying violent reprisals from the White Dragons with his "you'd better pack and get out of town".

This is from your own transcript, although you've omitted his comments about slapping a multi-million lawsuit on Kerry and thanking the donor for offering it.

Within the realms of the Federal Government, which I don't like very much anyway, but might serve a purpose, there are things called "terrorism" that I don't think you wanna deal with, in terms of that website, and some of the things that have been posted, some of the things that have been done there, recently, under its present management and control, are such that both cans of worms are open. Both the litigation and to the summary removal of the website for "activities that are opposite the betterment or continuation or continuity of government". So, you may be in a lot more trouble than you think.

I have not considered yet, whether I am going to take these actions. I am considering "how" and to what extent I want to take it. The individuals who run the website, the individuals who posted, all the people who can allow access to the website, will all be held responsible in the case that I decide to litigate this. I'm presently seeking the advice and counsel of some legalists who are some of the finest in the World, and we'll see what their recommendation is.

[KiwiElf]

It was asked in the present tense. As he said, not a good idea to take things out of context - go back a few pages.
And, again, you may want to look up the term "selective perception" - I'm sure it'll be on Google.

Oh, better check my transcript against the actual recording too, ... I may have "twisted" the wording a tad to suit my bias

[Ishtar]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
It was asked in the present tense. As he said, not a good idea to take things out of context - go back a few pages.
And, again, you may want to look up the term "selective perception" - I'm sure it'll be on Google.

Oh, better check my transcript against the actual recording too, ... I may have "twisted" the wording a tad to suit my bias

Exactly!! I think we both need to check our 'selective perception' and if we can overcome it, we'll probably be superhumans!!

You did miss out the conversation where's he's thanking an anonymous donor for offering to fund a multi-million lawsuit against Kerry.

In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie. ... (I don't, but you can). Nevertheless, it was a statement designed to hide the truth which is now right out in the open because of Vivek's excellent research which tweaked the Dragon's tail!

[KiwiElf]

LOL, Well I hope everyone mentioned has a good lawyer,... then we will see won't we ? Have a great night!

[Ishtar]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
LOL, Well I hope everyone mentioned has a good lawyer,... then we will see won't we ? Have a great night!

Will do! It's morning here, but I shall go for a long walk now and work on my 'selective perception'.

[Ishtar]

The hypocrisy here is overwhelming in its grandiosity and arrogant blindness.

Within the realms of the Federal Government, which I don't like very much anyway, but might serve a purpose, there are things called "terrorism" that I don't think you wanna deal with, in terms of that website, and some of the things that have been posted, some of the things that have been done there, recently, under its present management and control, are such that both cans of worms are open. Both the litigation and to the summary removal of the website for "activities that are opposite the betterment or continuation or continuity of government".

It reminds me of the phrase: One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

What is Drake if not someone who wants to carry out "activities that are opposite the ..... continuation or continuity of government" ... the present elected one, anyway?

This shows that he will be yet another leader that shouts 'terrorist' every time someone says or does something that runs counter to his agenda.

[araucaria]

Posted by Ishtar (here)

I think that form is as important as substance. We shouldn't have to choose between two sides of the same coin.

We can talk about anything we like (or nothing at all), it makes no difference. We are like a crowd gathered to hear a speaker make an important revelation or disclosure and noisily speculating about what they are going to say.

At this rate, they are likely to say, I’ll come back in 20k years when you’re ready to listen
Many will not even notice that the speaker has left the building.

Our civilization is coming to an end, for this is what civilizations do. See Richard Pasichnyk’s In Defense of Nature. It is life’s way of reclaiming from the lifeless, and it does it though ‘natural’ disasters (such as ionizing radiation and earthquakes) and manmade disasters (wars). We are currently finding out with a vengeance that the so-called ‘natural’ disasters are in fact manmade - manmade ionizing radiation from Fukushima, HAARP-induced earthquakes, etc. - and that this has always been the case.

The economy of the ‘oil-soaked rich’ (Sherman Skolnick) has to come down in one way or another for this same reason – I personally am not particularly interested in which scenario is going to win out, still less on which day it is going to happen.

Pasichnyk suggests that it is no accident if the Middle East, which has most of the oil, is also the cradle of civilization. If so, the collapse of the ‘black gold’ civilization heralds the collapse of ‘civilization’ civilizations – which is why one thing we can say for sure is that these are definitely end times one way or the other. Game Over can have two possible outcomes: either move up a level or go back to the beginning: snakes and ladders

[turiya]

Thank you NancyV for your sensible post.

Its a bit of the "What goes around, comes around" in my view. Drake had become part of Teri's smear campaign against TT/RuSA, and then they both refuse to allow a debate to ensue so that their claims can be disputed in a public setting. Simply using a hit & run tactic.

During the early times of RAP, when Sam Kennedy was cut loose from being one of the elders, TT/RAP was incessantly attacked on John MacHaffie's Nesara News website, as Sam Kennedy had a large following from his RBN radio show "Take No Prisoners".
Being a supporter of RAP at the time, MacHaffie started deleting many of the negative comments. TT wrote in and asked him not to do so, as everyone is allowed the freedom of speech. To compare how TT responded to a similar situation go to: http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2010/...m-turners.html

I absolutely agree with what you said about Drake's threat to make use of the de facto system of 'Just Us' that he espouses to be so against. An obvious bit of hypocrisy, there... part of the nature of human psychology that exists during these present times.

Cheers, turiya

Posted by NancyV (here)
So....let me get this straight...Drake is involved in a planned take down of the government and it's unfair systems within a month or two at the most. With these HUGE changes and as busy as he is he still has time to start a lawsuit against Kerry or anyone else who doesn't believe him or has said something about him that he didn't like???? This is the final nail in the coffin as far as him having ANY believability whatsoever for me!!

He's a proponent of taking DOWN the system yet he will USE that system of NONjustice to hassle someone who has only stated their truths! Even if he doesn't follow through with a lawsuit, just the THREAT of it shows what kind of person he is. What a CROCK!!! My ambivalence towards Drake has now turned towards distaste. I don't respond well to any kind of intimidation and I would hope that others weren't so gleeful at the thought of Drake suing ANYONE who has spoken against him. Obviously he's not a believer in free speech other than for himself. It's absolutely disgusting!

[Hervé]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
The entire affair is a pantomime. I'm amazed that this is not obvious to everyone.

That seems to be a weakness of the human genome at this time ... how readily we divide into conflicting groups, and with such fervor.

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)
[...]

I've known for quite some time now that 2012 would bring out the best and worst in people, with a massively inordinate amount of profit-taking (and ego-strutting) from the same kind of mentality who gave us profit-from-terror, snake oil and carnival barkers. But THIS! Dang, buy popcorn futures and sit back and watch the show!

[...]

Adepts, practitioners and pawns of the "Never let a good crisis go to waste" school... as pinpointed by good ole' doc John Coleman in his "Diplomacy by Deception" book:

"Of primary importance is the revision of history and law and subjecting the populace to the deviant creation, thus shifting thinking from personal needs to constructed, fabricated outside priorities. The general rule is that there is profit in confusion, the greater the confusion, the greater the profit. One of the ways in which this can be accomplished is to create problems and then offer solutions.

"It is essential to divide the people, keep the adults' attention away from real issues and overcome their thinking with matters of relatively little importance. The young must be kept ignorant of mathematics; the proper teaching of economics and history must never be made available. Keep all groups so occupied with an endless round of issues and problems that they have no time to think clearly, and here, we rely on entertainment which should not reach beyond the mental capacity of a child in the sixth grade.

"When government is able to seize private property without just compensation, it is certain that people are ripe for surrender and consenting to slavery and legal encroachment. Energy sources which support a primitive economy are a supply of raw materials, the consent of people to labor, and assume a certain place, position, level in the social structure viz., provide labor at various levels of the structure."

Brought into your daily life courtesy of Tavistock Institute's "Operation Research" (see this post).

[aranuk]

Posted by Unified Serenity (here)
Wow, Paul, this is the first time I have ever even concidered being on the same side as you and I tend to go toe to toe with each other. So, I am very surprised to hear you are backing me. Bill, well he is an aussie and I have a soft spot for them, so maybe he is backing me, LOL.

Seriously, are you even hearing yourself Stan? Yes, let's change the debate, put the spotlight on those asking questions and the validity of the site. One question left Stan, and that is "Are you trying to commit suicide by Mod?"

edit.....

Ok, that is never true with me, there are always more questions. Those of you who steadfastly stand behind your "Heart", I am wondering if any of you have ever regretted anything you decided. Have you gotten a divorce? Have you ever said something in anger you regretted all because you heart spoke before your head did?

I would love nothing more than to spread ooey gooey stories that make people "resonate" in bliss and joy, but I won't lie, and I won't shut off my mind. Did you guys ever watch the interview with the guy who had the green background? I bet you didn't because it was so spot on, that anyone who could back Drake after it must be out of their minds.

I can confess I have never had a divorce. I haven't ever broken a relationship. I was married at age 19 my wife was 17, we have been married 45 yrs. I have made many mistakes in my life, and all of them was using my rational mind at the expense of what my heart was trying to telling me. All of my decisions that came from my heart have worked out great. In homage to my heart, I say thank you and thank God.


Stan

[YvonneG]

NO ONE IS TAKING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Criminals within the government and banksters who have helped bring us the current set of affairs in our country and in our world killing innocent people in other countries, stealing their resources and not to mention our rights...they are the ones that are going down. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.

If you all keep discussing things at least keep tell it like is. This going back and forth is feeding the negativity...the fear. The most honest thing anyone can say is that we don't know for sure.

And Drake is not threatening. He obviously knows his rights.

I will end this with a quote from David Wilcock's blog

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

[YvonneG]

Paul, you say this:
That seems to be a weakness of the human genome at this time ... how readily we divide into conflicting groups, and with such fervor.

and I agree with this. Which is one reason I am not coming back here very much. Why continue to do the dividing thing? Everyone already knows how any of us feel and we have a right to feel whatever we want, but want continue the dividing conversations and comments??? Why? I for one will not. And I am not interested in people's opinions or points of view since the bias that we all have is huge.

All of this energy is better used locally and working on ways to help our local community.

[Unified Serenity]

Posted by YvonneG (here)
NO ONE IS TAKING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Criminals within the government and banksters who have helped bring us the current set of affairs in our country and in our world killing innocent people in other countries, stealing their resources and not to mention our rights...they are the ones that are going down. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.

If you all keep discussing things at least keep tell it like is. This going back and forth is feeding the negativity...the fear. The most honest thing anyone can say is that we don't know for sure.

And Drake is not threatening. He obviously knows his rights.

I will end this with a quote from David Wilcock's blog

HAHAHAAHAAAAAAAAAAA

This is priceless! So, the incorporated U.S. of America is perfectly acceptable, it's just the "criminals" within it that are bad now? Wiping the tears of laughter from my eyes now, it is pretty funny to watch the twitching and goal post moving that is taking place. You see, those "criminals" put in laws to allow them to do most of what they have done. Executive orders are legal because we are still under Martial Law! So, we have to take down the incorporated U.S. of America in order to restore a free constitutional government!

Yes, let's keep correcting people who actually know the truth with fables of such in the above quote. This keeps getting better and better.


update:

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back

Was that the entity Ra that gave DW this "insider" information? DW is fool of crap, it's called FREEE WILL. Maybe some of you will grasp what that means one day.

[RMorgan]

Hey folks,

Just remember that collaborating with a crime is also, well, a crime.

In this sense, we all should go to jail as well.

Cheers,

Raf.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Ishtar (here)
In the case of the lie, it was a lie. You can say it was a justified lie.

Whether it was a lie or not depends on what the question was.

If you ask me if I am a student at Reed College, I can truthfully answer a plain and simple "no". No need for me to explain my past.

If you ask if I was ever a student at Reed College, I would answer truthfully "yes".

In a complex interaction (with a bit of pink smoke) it might be unobvious which question Drake answered with his simple "no".

With my lousy hearing, I have no way, short of a careful and complete transcript, to know what question Drake was answering. And as I say, it might not even be obvious in this case with a good hearing or a good transcript.

[turiya]

One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.

Yes, this is quite the side show.

Promoting the idea that "negative entities" are controlling us is a form of escapism. This theory is only to keep people from growing up and taking on the responsibility for their own actions, their own self-created situations. It plays into the idea that one is a victim. Divisions & conflict exist because man is divided & conflicted within.

Be attentive to the peace that is within, and it will naturally be expressed without.

Posted by YvonneG (here)
NO ONE IS TAKING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT. Criminals within the government and banksters who have helped bring us the current set of affairs in our country and in our world killing innocent people in other countries, stealing their resources and not to mention our rights...they are the ones that are going down. NOT OUR GOVERNMENT.

If you all keep discussing things at least keep tell it like is. This going back and forth is feeding the negativity...the fear. The most honest thing anyone can say is that we don't know for sure.

And Drake is not threatening. He obviously knows his rights.

I will end this with a quote from David Wilcock's blog

[Moderator: One of David's top insiders confirmed this is going on with negative entities -- and said that if people stopped being consumed by fear for even one day, worldwide, these entities would completely lose control of Earth and never be able to get it back.