Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Houman]

[Houman]

Ke$ha

[The Aztecs are back!]

"Most of the sacrifices involved tearing out the heart, offering it to the sun and, with some blood, also to the idols."---Michael Harner
http://www.whale.to/c/kesha.html




X sign Blood sacrifice Baal/Shamash Human sacrifice Ke$ha singing with what looks like blood on her face from what looks like a heart at the Future Music Festival at Randwick racecourse in Sydney.

[Chester]

Hi Houman and readers - I was stimulated by the post covering Set (4 or so posts up).

Something is not adding up regarding Horus and Set. Looking at it simplistically, it seems Set is the "bad guy" and Horus is the "good guy" in Egyptian mythology.

Now some of us are aware that it is likely the historical jesus was a trained mystery school graduate (some stories say Egyptian mystery school) and perhaps he went rougue (or perhaps there were benevolent mystery schools and he attended one...) in either case, he has been credited with being this all enlightened being who went public about it and those who would stand to lose their power had to get rid of him - he became too dangerous.

But realize the Egyptians (as many other religions at the time and still some today) are fervent believers in reincarnation. For the record, I have no opinion but am open to anything.

But stimulated to do research on Horus based on this thread, I haven't found anything but good about the "deity" and did find some very interesting correlations between Horus and Jesus.

In fact - looking at even Wikipedia, you can see this issued covered - that Isis and Horus were the precursor to Mary and Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_C...tive_mythology

Don't take my comment to imply any of that means anything to me as I am not religious... I just find it odd that when I do internet searches on Horus, almost everything I find paints Horus in a good light and paints Set in a bad light.

Yet what also is quite odd is how so many cities built in the western world have their geographies laid out in such ways as those in the know are aware they are built in far too many cases in honor of these two particular Egyptian deities.

A recent book by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval - The Master Game: Unmasking the Secret Rulers of the World traces much of the history from ancient times through the present showing this constant theme found in praise of these two specific deities as well making a very strong case that gnosticism never died, it simply changed names along the way, primarily to escape the constant pursuit of those who wanted to extinguish ancient knowledge and perhaps bloodlines as well.

"The Master Game is a roller-coaster intellectual journey through the back streets and rat runs of history to uncover the traces in architecture and monuments of a secret religion that has shaped the world.

Pivotal historical events and processes, not least the Renaissance, the birth of scientific rationalism, and the French and American revolutions, are radically re-evaluated in the light of new investigative evidence presented in The Master Game. Even the belief that the United States has a "global mission," so obvious today, may ultimately prove to be less the result of a short-term reaction to terrorism than the inevitable working out of a covert plan originally set in motion almost two thousand years ago.

The Master Game refers to a scheme or "game" played on the world stage to bring about a world order governed by a lofty goal which, today, we term the "Masonic Ideal." The Master Game traces the origins of this game of symbols and words and talismans from ancient Egypt all the way to modern times, and places it squarely on the elitist Scottish Rite Freemasonry, headquartered in Washington, DC, and ruled by a secretive and powerful brotherhood of men who have attained the thirty-third degree. The Master Game exposes this world order's true purpose and, more importantly, shows how it has affected the United States of America and badly backfired on 9/11."

There's something that doesn't make sense - on the one hand you have several thousands of years where a group seems intent on preserving the worship of these deities and on the other hand it appears these same forces or very similar but very different forces are behind horrid atrocities, sick secret societies filled with powerful men who are behind operations such as 9/11, etc. and perhaps at the center of this is human/animal sacrifice, demonology and black magic.

It doesn't add up. Who is who - are there good guys and bad guys. Was Horus good or bad, Isis, good or bad... with Set there's less a question (unless you are a Setian and I know of a few - haha)

Could it be that these powerful forces who built all these cities are afraid of something? And that this something is represented by the symbols of Isis and Horus? And so to prevent the Isis/Horus "return" either because of an age they fear based on their astrological beliefs or perhaps secret documents they hold within their secret societies that foretell of times and changes... that they fear all of this, so they created all these man made symbols as an attempt to thwart the actual return (via reincarnation) of the Mary and Horus beings?

It is the Egyptians who were ardent believers in reincarnation, so much so that they would spend their whole lives preparing their tombs for their afterlife (and perhaps lives).

It seems an easy leap to see Set as the "evil one" incarnate and Horus as "the savior" incarnate and we see the theme repeated in many other mythological/perhaps historical based actual lives - Mary and Jesus just being one of them though the last magnified instance of this repeating theme.

Here is a link that lists dozens of similarities -

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm

When I consider all this, the purported facts suggest to me two distinct categories of secret societies. One that seems intent on doing everything they can to hijack what they fear will come at some time in the future - the Age of Horus - the End Times.

Then you have another group that has attempted to protect the teachings but also protect bloodlines that, at least to them, carries the genetic blueprint from which the actual return of Horus "the savior" could come through.

It is like both groups know this - one tries to derail it, the other tries to protect it... but neither of them can know for sure who these beings might be whenever they incarnate (if they ever do) - but both are obsessed by this.

Seems ludicrous that it could boil down to individuals but nothing would surprise me about what these people are capable of believing.

Anyways - regardless of what is true or not, real or not - if you have powerful people believing in something like that, and they make decisions based on things like that - one group invested in human sacrifice to their satan (set perhaps), that believes their god will incarnate in the end times and this same group attempts to hijack the return of a savior figure which is simply satan's adversary by creating a whole world dedicated to his worship which is some strange attempt to play with the ego of the returning savior hoping he might rethink his good god position and join the dark side, and all the meanwhile us 7 billion bystanders are held hostage and in many cases become collateral damage to the grand production... makes me wonder if anyone on earth is sane at all.

Anyways - the Leo Zagami interview by Bill and Kerry mentioned these things. That the illumed and nutty actually believe and fear the return of Horus - some deity from Sirius I think he suggested.

Do note there's a video on the internet that had to have been made after his interview with Bill and Kerry where Leo is in some mental institution apparently on a visit with loved ones where clearly Leo is psychotic and basically tells us he is this returning deity.

Is all this stuff - bad guys and good guys all creations of these archons? Some suggest there are benevolent non earthly EDs that are from outside of the archontic rings that are the beings incarnating as Jesus and Horus and other similar savior types. Others suggest they are simply two sides of the same archontic coin.

This is a BIG question to get answered because on the one hand, in the case of the latter - that "angels" and "demons" are all inside the archontic world where humans are the food supply implies we are on our own and on the other hand, we humans can be subjected to the negativity of the dark forces but can also receive other worldly help from positive ED forces.

This is a huge question - I wish folks would weigh in.

[RedeZra]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Now some of us are aware that it is likely the historical jesus was a trained mystery school graduate (some stories say Egyptian mystery school) and perhaps he went rougue (or perhaps there were benevolent mystery schools and he attended one...) in either case, he has been credited with being this all enlightened being who went public about it and those who would stand to lose their power had to get rid of him - he became too dangerous.

the illuminati knows the devils are about to return

hearts will again be ripped out and raised up

at the top of Chichen Itza


it is not possible to be aware

and not know Jesus is God

[wynderer]

Hi Justoneman -- i'd p.m.'d you that there was something in one of your previous posts i wanted to discuss w/you -- your post below kind of addresses the same topic

first a couple of comments

re the 'Horus good/Set bad' thing -- Humans did not invent the good cop--bad cop deal -- they were following a well-tested archetypal pattern

re the Horus/Isis/Osiris 'myth' being the prototype which Jesus followed as a pattern for his life -- i am of the mind that the Horus crowd can see the future here to some extent, & they patterned their 'myth' around the pattern in Jesus' life , knowing that many would see it as you have suggested --it's kind of a question of which came first, God [Jesus coming from a very high dimension, closer to the Source than any other non- 3D Earth being i have met], or the Horus crowd

i'm not so sure about Jesus going to mystery schools during his undocumented yrs -- i have pointed out before that these mystery schools deliver info & ways to use it from a very narrow, 3D Earth-based data base -- & i don't think that someone so connected to the Creator, as Jesus was/is, had any need of learning Earth's secret knowledge & mystery religions -- this info often seems to be the carrot on the end of the stick, leading folks into feverish mathematical computations, etc, that are actually pretty useless

what i most wanted to discuss w/you -- i gather that you went pretty far into the darkness, while i know it basically from defending myself against it & working to get it out of my life -- there's another Avalon member who is aware of & talks to our controllers in their Human -looking forms on Earth

what concerns me is that each of you has suggested in different ways that our only hope to stop 'them' is to ask some of 'them' to turn from the dark to the Light & to help us - to me, this is putting your head in a [hungry] lion's mouth

i gather from reading both your posts that our controllers can do some pretty impressive things in 3D & in other dimensions -- the ones closest to 3D, the astral planes

pls understand that this is not a judgement -- it's an observation -- i think both of you have been hornswoggled, focussing on their powers as they intended , & diverting you from awareness of the true Big Power in this infinite & eternal Universe

they like to be called 'gods' -- & we know that they are telling Humans, mostly thru channelers whom the stupid Humans believe, that they 'created' us -- so far they aren't saying that they created all the other forms of Life on this planet

it's obvious to me that Earth Humans were created by the Creator -- another mammal, one w/an erect spine & Chakras w/the Kundalini stored at the base of the spine in the root chakra -- thus w/the potential to be true co-creators w/the Creator [unfortunately, you seem to have blown this opportunity as a species -- your planet-wide acceptance of all the overt cruelty to the other animals, your brothers & sisters, has created quite the karmic obligation, let alone your lack of interest in/silence re all the missing children ]

because of many experiences in my life, i know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the true Power in this Universe -- including this dark & demented planet -- is the Power of Love, of the Light -- our controllers, by their choices, their use of the gift of free will, have cut themselves off from that Power, & can access it only thru those who still have that connection -- the Humans & all other forms of biological life here --

this energy seems to be most accessible to them thru inducing fear , & respect -- as Matt DeLooze says, 'Emotional respect = Spiritual energy' -- they feed on those who are impressed by their displays of power just as much as they feed on the terror in the babies who are ripped open from sternum to belly while still conscious in their 'rituals'

what they are doing to Human bodies -- nuking the planet, for instance -- this pales in comparison w/what they are doing & plan to do w/Human souls --

yes, spiritual help is always there if we ask for it -- but if we refuse to look at what we are really up against, we will not know how desperately we need help from higher-dimensional beings -- & these are not the 'ETs' who are speaking thru the glut of channelers

wyn

Posted by justoneman (here)
Hi Houman and readers - I was stimulated by the post covering Set (4 or so posts up).

Something is not adding up regarding Horus and Set. Looking at it simplistically, it seems Set is the "bad guy" and Horus is the "good guy" in Egyptian mythology.

Now some of us are aware that it is likely the historical jesus was a trained mystery school graduate (some stories say Egyptian mystery school) and perhaps he went rougue (or perhaps there were benevolent mystery schools and he attended one...) in either case, he has been credited with being this all enlightened being who went public about it and those who would stand to lose their power had to get rid of him - he became too dangerous.

But realize the Egyptians (as many other religions at the time and still some today) are fervent believers in reincarnation. For the record, I have no opinion but am open to anything.

But stimulated to do research on Horus based on this thread, I haven't found anything but good about the "deity" and did find some very interesting correlations between Horus and Jesus.

In fact - looking at even Wikipedia, you can see this issued covered - that Isis and Horus were the precursor to Mary and Jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_C...tive_mythology

Don't take my comment to imply any of that means anything to me as I am not religious... I just find it odd that when I do internet searches on Horus, almost everything I find paints Horus in a good light and paints Set in a bad light.

Yet what also is quite odd is how so many cities built in the western world have their geographies laid out in such ways as those in the know are aware they are built in far too many cases in honor of these two particular Egyptian deities.

A recent book by Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval - The Master Game: Unmasking the Secret Rulers of the World traces much of the history from ancient times through the present showing this constant theme found in praise of these two specific deities as well making a very strong case that gnosticism never died, it simply changed names along the way, primarily to escape the constant pursuit of those who wanted to extinguish ancient knowledge and perhaps bloodlines as well.

"The Master Game is a roller-coaster intellectual journey through the back streets and rat runs of history to uncover the traces in architecture and monuments of a secret religion that has shaped the world.

Pivotal historical events and processes, not least the Renaissance, the birth of scientific rationalism, and the French and American revolutions, are radically re-evaluated in the light of new investigative evidence presented in The Master Game. Even the belief that the United States has a "global mission," so obvious today, may ultimately prove to be less the result of a short-term reaction to terrorism than the inevitable working out of a covert plan originally set in motion almost two thousand years ago.

The Master Game refers to a scheme or "game" played on the world stage to bring about a world order governed by a lofty goal which, today, we term the "Masonic Ideal." The Master Game traces the origins of this game of symbols and words and talismans from ancient Egypt all the way to modern times, and places it squarely on the elitist Scottish Rite Freemasonry, headquartered in Washington, DC, and ruled by a secretive and powerful brotherhood of men who have attained the thirty-third degree. The Master Game exposes this world order's true purpose and, more importantly, shows how it has affected the United States of America and badly backfired on 9/11."

There's something that doesn't make sense - on the one hand you have several thousands of years where a group seems intent on preserving the worship of these deities and on the other hand it appears these same forces or very similar but very different forces are behind horrid atrocities, sick secret societies filled with powerful men who are behind operations such as 9/11, etc. and perhaps at the center of this is human/animal sacrifice, demonology and black magic.

It doesn't add up. Who is who - are there good guys and bad guys. Was Horus good or bad, Isis, good or bad... with Set there's less a question (unless you are a Setian and I know of a few - haha)

Could it be that these powerful forces who built all these cities are afraid of something? And that this something is represented by the symbols of Isis and Horus? And so to prevent the Isis/Horus "return" either because of an age they fear based on their astrological beliefs or perhaps secret documents they hold within their secret societies that foretell of times and changes... that they fear all of this, so they created all these man made symbols as an attempt to thwart the actual return (via reincarnation) of the Mary and Horus beings?

It is the Egyptians who were ardent believers in reincarnation, so much so that they would spend their whole lives preparing their tombs for their afterlife (and perhaps lives).

It seems an easy leap to see Set as the "evil one" incarnate and Horus as "the savior" incarnate and we see the theme repeated in many other mythological/perhaps historical based actual lives - Mary and Jesus just being one of them though the last magnified instance of this repeating theme.

Here is a link that lists dozens of similarities -

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5b.htm

When I consider all this, the purported facts suggest to me two distinct categories of secret societies. One that seems intent on doing everything they can to hijack what they fear will come at some time in the future - the Age of Horus - the End Times.

Then you have another group that has attempted to protect the teachings but also protect bloodlines that, at least to them, carries the genetic blueprint from which the actual return of Horus "the savior" could come through.

It is like both groups know this - one tries to derail it, the other tries to protect it... but neither of them can know for sure who these beings might be whenever they incarnate (if they ever do) - but both are obsessed by this.

Seems ludicrous that it could boil down to individuals but nothing would surprise me about what these people are capable of believing.

Anyways - regardless of what is true or not, real or not - if you have powerful people believing in something like that, and they make decisions based on things like that - one group invested in human sacrifice to their satan (set perhaps), that believes their god will incarnate in the end times and this same group attempts to hijack the return of a savior figure which is simply satan's adversary by creating a whole world dedicated to his worship which is some strange attempt to play with the ego of the returning savior hoping he might rethink his good god position and join the dark side, and all the meanwhile us 7 billion bystanders are held hostage and in many cases become collateral damage to the grand production... makes me wonder if anyone on earth is sane at all.

Anyways - the Leo Zagami interview by Bill and Kerry mentioned these things. That the illumed and nutty actually believe and fear the return of Horus - some deity from Sirius I think he suggested.

Do note there's a video on the internet that had to have been made after his interview with Bill and Kerry where Leo is in some mental institution apparently on a visit with loved ones where clearly Leo is psychotic and basically tells us he is this returning deity.

Is all this stuff - bad guys and good guys all creations of these archons? Some suggest there are benevolent non earthly EDs that are from outside of the archontic rings that are the beings incarnating as Jesus and Horus and other similar savior types. Others suggest they are simply two sides of the same archontic coin.

This is a BIG question to get answered because on the one hand, in the case of the latter - that "angels" and "demons" are all inside the archontic world where humans are the food supply implies we are on our own and on the other hand, we humans can be subjected to the negativity of the dark forces but can also receive other worldly help from positive ED forces.

This is a huge question - I wish folks would weigh in.

[observer]

From the article cited in the Opening Post of this thread:

"....So in my opinion, the Ra level of universal existence is the level of the so-called Archons, not the minor reptilians, greys or draconians. Ra is the level, which eats the conscious awareness, and we have to bypass it in order to merge into higher realms of existence. The more important thing to focus on is not the origin of Ra in its different forms, but to see the patterns of behavior this Ra has. It truly enslaves. Like seen in cult activity. Ra enjoys the essence of the egotistical uplift.“ Maarit emphatically stated,

“The purpose the Horus-Ra energy force is not only to consume humans and other species as well–their inner core–but also destroy the purity of it...." (emphasis added by observer)

This will be the most important point revealed within this thread.

Soul Harvesting has been the focus of my investigation for many years now. It is also a topic that gets very little attention. In my opinion, this is by design.

I would very much like to see this topic become a focus of this thread.

As I continue to read-through this thread, I will readdress this issue where ever the evidence of Soul Harvesting appears....

[Jeffrey]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=l3bnBxfjnIo

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BQx1aSKhemw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v6mjK4owwkA

MAKE THE CONNECTIONS PEOPLE

[Bo Atkinson]

This thread keeps getting too big to add something new. (Not really)

Houman, I'm still finishing my mp3 converted version of your pdf done by Jean-Luc (on this thread). My thanks to you both and my heartfelt support to the victims. I think it sad that so much sadism and warped reality needs to be confronted. May it somehow reveal the faults of society, so that humans may build a solution.

Previous 3 posters here: Yes the soul net thing would be far worse than nukes or kooks. Yes Ezra, I too earnestly studied Jesus, except through The Urantia Book & Society, which offers many parallels to Houmans work here, (really many). Yes justoneman, the names Horus and Ra, IMHO, could possibly have been names used by a variety of people or entities throughout human prehistory. However we have much to untangle in this soul-predation scenario.

Houman mentions LR Hubbard in two venues really. Freezone Auditing is based on Hubbard's actual processes, from what i heard. I expect Freezone needed to change words a bit to avoid copyrights infringement problems-- I have not looked into Freezone, because i was sick and tired of this suspicious stuff by the public-web-inaguration-period (1990s). I actually studied Scientology, in small segments, off and on from 1967 to 1989, but mostly off. The early study was mostly in the form of working for a highly trained (wealthy) businessman-scientologist . I had some fluke experiences, too. I got out of that period by moving to Maine around 1969. Later in the 1970s, i helped a wealthy person in sort of a life saving manner and sent him off to scientology to clear up his highly compromised state. He flourished there but went way deeper than i would have bothered going. This earned me lots of $ credits to pay for more publications and study. My favorites were apx 50 reel to reel tapes of Hubbard lectures, plus the full table of books and policy literature. Played my tapes back in Maine, while building my home. (They gave something like 10% in commissions! Which naturally they incessantly weasel right back in the till, heavy pitching, every-trick,etc.. I took auditing and courses which by now was probably changing from the older controllers. I lived in my van for 2 weeks+, during an icy winter, no heat, behind the Boston 'org' or church. (Nice river view there, heh). Nevertheless it was a stoic protection from parasites, so to speak-- By that time though their church there was beginning to hate me. They punished me with their version of 'Ethics'... I studied much about all these things which include very deep stuff and even some practical stuff. I played along for the 2 weeks, but decided to stomp out from a mid session, with the head case-supervisor. What a joke, they were going off-standard-routines and employing outrageous hypnotics. Better that way, because it was intensive learning and a final conclusion of my association with scientology. It revealed some extraordinary cultic tactics, first hand. I essentially got away, because i was never rich to be of much interest to them. I talked my postman into sending a 10 pound stone to them with a postpaid-spam-return-envelope, first class mail, taped to the stone. They got the idea and stopped spamming me.

Indeed, 'parasites' do go for the abundant-flows of money or energy, especially pre-pubescent types-- Ouch, that was a painful read about satanic sex marketing. Yet i pushed through, word by word. In hopes of gaining a smidgen of talking points. Who knows, but it may prove helpful for someone. I had very minimal and indirect childhood flack of that kind. Yet it is surely believable, observing influences evident- everywhere. I actually wonder if satanist bother with strong-daydreamer kids as i was on cloud 9 most of my school days. Long before they pushed speed, etc.. onto little kids, as pusher-men do today. My daydreaming grew into multi-track thinking and postulating... The Susan Reed & Ettissh part revealed the method of derailing psychically: Hiding if victimized, through something very similar... Susan escaped Brian by disassociating motor-brain-navigation, from the intellectual-perceptive-brain functions. I would call this multi-track mind skills.


E= Ettissh, the draco? = inherently logical example that evil destroys evil itself.
pg 348 Quote:

E - "we'll come down on you like a ton of bricks - if we choose to" This was said as a possibility for the future.
These nets are attached to their machines Ettissh explains it as follows -

E - "our machine is really incredible; it's programmed to respond to things ,it can sense energy , if you become to high or enlightened then it will start ****ing you up - it will send you **** via the cord and then it brings you down and then it stops as long as you don't creep up again - keeps you checked --and it rises and falls. They get the crap, feel like **** and then it brings them down. It stops, they rise again and it starts again - every few days they get it." End Quote


Interesting this cord stuff. Or is it rather a weaponized form of chording, via machines. The mind-control system now being massively installed? I think they possibly run into defectors like Ettissh. Wisdom has been divulged, saying, in short, that competition among evil ones, ultimately turns insiders against insiders. Ettissh might be sort of an example of this. Sebastion- I doubt this is the same stuff, which 9eagle9 refers to. In any case, free will combined with rock-solid discipline and some insider info like this ought to help stay free-willed.

I wonder if Houman or Ezra have ever read The Urantia Book. This is a heavy and thick book. It contains a very lengthy and unique history of planet earth. The Garden of Eden period is fascinating in contexts to this Archonic history. The Urantia Book calls them the fallen angles, methinks. Actually, it is the story of Lucifer's rebellion against God and extending a ways around our galaxy. Our dear earth was under Satan's rulership and he conspired underneath Lucifer. Satan got Eve to mate with another racial type individual, a reptilian? Thus Cain was born and thereafter scorned, as a hybrid, essentially. Scorned to the point of killing Able and then deported off to the Land of Nod. The Urantia Book has it's own cast of characters and terminology, half of which concurs with the Old Testament (Bible). The non-concurences often fit somewhat with Houmans book. It is very complex. The latter part of this book contains the most beautiful history of the Hebrews and others along with a beautiful story of Jesus. My heart resonated with it. My mind always stayed open to corroborate many other wonderings. Then along came the rabbit holes of the web or was it the web hole raptors?

Enough for today, the rain has ended here. I'll keep pushing through the end of Houmans book. Also to wonder if more discussion will follow in this thread.

~wav

[Chester]

Posted by observer (here)
From the article cited in the Opening Post of this thread:

"....So in my opinion, the Ra level of universal existence is the level of the so-called Archons, not the minor reptilians, greys or draconians. Ra is the level, which eats the conscious awareness, and we have to bypass it in order to merge into higher realms of existence. The more important thing to focus on is not the origin of Ra in its different forms, but to see the patterns of behavior this Ra has. It truly enslaves. Like seen in cult activity. Ra enjoys the essence of the egotistical uplift.“ Maarit emphatically stated,

“The purpose the Horus-Ra energy force is not only to consume humans and other species as well–their inner core–but also destroy the purity of it...." (emphasis added by observer)

This will be the most important point revealed within this thread.

Soul Harvesting has been the focus of my investigation for many years now. It is also a topic that gets very little attention. In my opinion, this is by design.

I would very much like to see this topic become a focus of this thread.

As I continue to read-through this thread, I will readdress this issue where ever the evidence of Soul Harvesting appears....

This is precisely the question I also had - phrased in a different way - are we alone here under the infleunce of this Ra energies OR is there some level of benevolent energy outside the encirclement of this Ra energy which we humans can access.

The question is simple yet no one takes a stab at a direct answer - and the reason is that one person's interpretation... that they have benefited from some divine source of energy - even if they see that as simply Primal Source where another person observing this person's interpretation might see they are simply confused and were actually and only influenced by the Ra energies - this is the root of the messiah complex. No one seems to take a stand on this. To say that any messiah being, whether the being them self claims to be the messiah or millions of people for years after the beings physical life claim him or her to be a messiah such as jesus - that claim still comes from just us. So the question is - is there actual, divine help? Or are miracles and/or miracle workers and or those perceived to be miracle workers simply beings influenced by the Ra energies only to "keep the food supply nutritious" so to speak.

We fertilize the soil to grow healthier crops - but still the food gets eventually eaten.

That's my question.

Now I prefer to believe there is "the force" and it cannot be influenced by the Ra energies if the force is properly accessed and properly used (whatever those happen to be and I am surely not the one to suggest to anyone I know what that happens to be) be one of us humans (and perhaps other beings dwelling in some manifestation of form. But I do not "know" it. I believe it strongly, but I cannot prove it. Am I simply deluding myself?

and to wynderer, some folks on earth have access to historical literature that has not been made available to the public that suggests jesus received training in the perennial philosophy. Who is to really know the truth of that or not? I certainly could see the guy had much to say that paralleled what was going around in gnostic communities of his day when I read much of the gospels found in the Nag Hammadi. Maybe he received all that information through his own experience - that is certainly possible... but its funny how most of those teachings never made it into the "official bible" for if they had, the church born out of the early first milenia would never have evolved as it had, we wouldn't have seen centuries where the inquisition murdered millions for example and many other lovely things that church was responsible for.

[wynderer]

Justoneman, i was trying to say that i see you as ascribing too much spiritual power to the Archons -- they are parasites & have no connection to the Source -- yes, they have this poor planet pretty well locked up, but it's a huge Universe out there where they have no power, no control

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by observer (here)
From the article cited in the Opening Post of this thread:

"....So in my opinion, the Ra level of universal existence is the level of the so-called Archons, not the minor reptilians, greys or draconians. Ra is the level, which eats the conscious awareness, and we have to bypass it in order to merge into higher realms of existence. The more important thing to focus on is not the origin of Ra in its different forms, but to see the patterns of behavior this Ra has. It truly enslaves. Like seen in cult activity. Ra enjoys the essence of the egotistical uplift.“ Maarit emphatically stated,

“The purpose the Horus-Ra energy force is not only to consume humans and other species as well–their inner core–but also destroy the purity of it...." (emphasis added by observer)

This will be the most important point revealed within this thread.

Soul Harvesting has been the focus of my investigation for many years now. It is also a topic that gets very little attention. In my opinion, this is by design.

I would very much like to see this topic become a focus of this thread.

As I continue to read-through this thread, I will readdress this issue where ever the evidence of Soul Harvesting appears....

This is precisely the question I also had - phrased in a different way - are we alone here under the infleunce of this Ra energies OR is there some level of energy outside the encirclement of this Ra energy which we humans can access.

The question is simple yet no one takes a stab at a direct answer - and the reason is that one person's interpretation... that they have benefited from some divine source of energy - even if they see that as simply Primal Source where another person observing this person's interpretation might see they are simply confused and were actually and only influenced by the Ra energies - this is the root of the messiah complex. No one seems to take a stand on this. To say that any messiah being, whether the being them self claims to be the messiah or millions of people for years after the beings physical life claim him or her to be a messiah such as jesus - that claim still comes from just us. So the question is - is there actual, divine help? Or are miracles and/or miracle workers and or those perceived to be miracle workers simply beings influenced by the Ra energies only to "keep the food supply nutritious" so to speak.

We fertilize the soil to grow healthier crops - but still the food gets eventually eaten.

That's my question.

Now I prefer to believe there is "the force" and it cannot be influenced by the Ra energies if the force is properly accessed and properly used (whatever those happen to be and I am surely not the one to suggest to anyone I know what that happens to be) be one of us humans (and perhaps other beings dwelling in some manifestation of form. But I do not "know" it. I believe it strongly, but I cannot prove it. Am I simply deluding myself?

and to wynderer, some folks on earth have access to historical literature that has not been made available to the public that suggests jesus received training in the perennial philosophy. Who is to really know the truth of that or not? I certainly could see the guy had much to say that paralleled what was going around in gnostic communities of his day when I read much of the gospels found in the Nag Hammadi. Maybe he received all that information through his own experience - that is certainly possible... but its funny how most of those teachings never made it into the "official bible" for if they had, the church born out of the early first milenia would never have evolved as it had, we wouldn't have seen centuries where the inquisition murdered millions for example and many other lovely things that church was responsible for.

[GoodETxSG]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
Now some of us are aware that it is likely the historical jesus was a trained mystery school graduate (some stories say Egyptian mystery school) and perhaps he went rougue (or perhaps there were benevolent mystery schools and he attended one...) in either case, he has been credited with being this all enlightened being who went public about it and those who would stand to lose their power had to get rid of him - he became too dangerous.

the illuminati knows the devils are about to return

hearts will again be ripped out and raised up

at the top of Chichen Itza


it is not possible to be aware

and not know Jesus is God

I was extremely unaware that the Devil ever left... seriously.

[Chester]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=l3bnBxfjnIo

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BQx1aSKhemw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v6mjK4owwkA

MAKE THE CONNECTIONS PEOPLE

Watched them all - again ... someone who IDs a problem - asserts it is parasite beings (these ra energies perhaps, Archons perhaps... the same things with different names) BUT... other than tell you you have to do all this and that with your physical body to be able to have a CHANCE to overcome them - he says stay tuned for Part iii and iv. Well where is part iii and part iv?

And again the question is - are the non earthy energies/beings all evil or are there non earthy sources an individual human being that is in physical form can access that can assist this physical being that they can overcome these negative non earthly forces?

OK so let's say a single human is still alive in the flesh and has overcome these archontic forces. Should that being sit around and wait for others? Or should that being share with others what he/she did to overcome the archons? I mean how else do we get to the 100th monkey heh? But the minute one tries to share the method, most folks run and/or turn against the messenger. Or say... its jesus or buddha or the tao or something like that that is the only thing you can rely on and that's all subject to interpretation and almost no one agrees on any of the meanings - especially the deeper meanings. In fact - that's why they called them mystery schools - not because they were mysterious or secret, but because the information provided to potential "graduates" the opportunity to come to terms with the ultimate mysteries within when it was evidently clear that for thousands of years few humans on earth have been able to accomplish (sadly for us now and for our children we leave this world to).

[Chester]

Posted by wynderer (here)
Justoneman, i was trying to say that i see you as ascribing too much spiritual power to the Archons -- they are parasites & have no connection to the Source -- yes, they have this poor planet pretty well locked up, but it's a huge Universe out there where they have no power, no control

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by observer (here)
From the article cited in the Opening Post of this thread:

"....So in my opinion, the Ra level of universal existence is the level of the so-called Archons, not the minor reptilians, greys or draconians. Ra is the level, which eats the conscious awareness, and we have to bypass it in order to merge into higher realms of existence. The more important thing to focus on is not the origin of Ra in its different forms, but to see the patterns of behavior this Ra has. It truly enslaves. Like seen in cult activity. Ra enjoys the essence of the egotistical uplift.“ Maarit emphatically stated,

“The purpose the Horus-Ra energy force is not only to consume humans and other species as well–their inner core–but also destroy the purity of it...." (emphasis added by observer)

This will be the most important point revealed within this thread.

Soul Harvesting has been the focus of my investigation for many years now. It is also a topic that gets very little attention. In my opinion, this is by design.

I would very much like to see this topic become a focus of this thread.

As I continue to read-through this thread, I will readdress this issue where ever the evidence of Soul Harvesting appears....

This is precisely the question I also had - phrased in a different way - are we alone here under the infleunce of this Ra energies OR is there some level of energy outside the encirclement of this Ra energy which we humans can access.

The question is simple yet no one takes a stab at a direct answer - and the reason is that one person's interpretation... that they have benefited from some divine source of energy - even if they see that as simply Primal Source where another person observing this person's interpretation might see they are simply confused and were actually and only influenced by the Ra energies - this is the root of the messiah complex. No one seems to take a stand on this. To say that any messiah being, whether the being them self claims to be the messiah or millions of people for years after the beings physical life claim him or her to be a messiah such as jesus - that claim still comes from just us. So the question is - is there actual, divine help? Or are miracles and/or miracle workers and or those perceived to be miracle workers simply beings influenced by the Ra energies only to "keep the food supply nutritious" so to speak.

We fertilize the soil to grow healthier crops - but still the food gets eventually eaten.

That's my question.

Now I prefer to believe there is "the force" and it cannot be influenced by the Ra energies if the force is properly accessed and properly used (whatever those happen to be and I am surely not the one to suggest to anyone I know what that happens to be) be one of us humans (and perhaps other beings dwelling in some manifestation of form. But I do not "know" it. I believe it strongly, but I cannot prove it. Am I simply deluding myself?

and to wynderer, some folks on earth have access to historical literature that has not been made available to the public that suggests jesus received training in the perennial philosophy. Who is to really know the truth of that or not? I certainly could see the guy had much to say that paralleled what was going around in gnostic communities of his day when I read much of the gospels found in the Nag Hammadi. Maybe he received all that information through his own experience - that is certainly possible... but its funny how most of those teachings never made it into the "official bible" for if they had, the church born out of the early first milenia would never have evolved as it had, we wouldn't have seen centuries where the inquisition murdered millions for example and many other lovely things that church was responsible for.

Thank you wynderer for a straight, direct answer...

So your opinion is (and by the way this opinion happens to be my hope and very much the way I lean) that Source is outside the sphere of the Archons (and the Demiurge) and though we are stuck within the sphere physically and perhaps to some extent mentally, spiritually (and even at the soul level) we are NOT completely cut off from Source and can access Source.

OK now, my next question is - Is it possible that there could be beings of form (can be physical 3D, can be other dimensional, can be non physical... whatever but they have to be individuated beings) that are outside of the sphere of the Archons that are then likely and perhaps strictly Source oriented (thus benevolent)?

Or is there just Source?

[RedeZra]

Jesus makes perfect sense

only if all the gods of all the old cultures

are fallen spirits and hybrids


if it is so in

Sumer Egypt Hindu Maya Greece Rome

then the fallen spirits have not taught the truth

but twisted it to suit them


then Jesus stands alone against all these old gods

or put in other words

it doesn't matter what we believe if we don't believe Jesus is God

[Beren]

Shining a light upon these matters is helpful to all.
Those that are Archons by choice or design (demons or evil spirits) whomever...will face finally their own choices and will be burned in the lake of fire which is eternal truth .
All which is not perfect will burn. Until that which is not perfect is eliminated and only core remains.
All masks will be stripped off by frequency of Love which will take many forms in order to rid off universe of ecstasy of dark.

Until the very core remains of those who did evil or became evil in many forms so then their core can return purified into Creator.
Never before.
Only pure and clean as core always is from Creator.

Whatever someone made of themselves is their own choice and will have to be faced utterly.
No escape possibility for all.

All these efforts of "stealing " souls, leeching of energy ,fear mode and panic is vain deal.
No one will escape their choice.

Hence dark side calls this a vengeance or wrath of God.
It`s far from wrath though it may look like to mentally sealed entities or souls.
God will simply return everything that is caused- magnified to everyone - each to its own choice.

If you sowed in Love - expect abundance of love in all forms.
If you sowed in Fear -expect abundance of fear in all forms.

NO trick will help, no false history ,no wishful thinking lore, no Dragon wanna be overlords, no spiritual entities with huge ego maniacal behaviour...nothing will help or hide anyone from the face whom we all have to face- Creator of life - our Father and Mother. Alpha and Omega.

Only thing that can liberate is Love.

If one doesn`t grasp this utterly simple but utterly powerful thing then there is no avail for now, for them.

Lake of fire, eternal truth, power that strips bare everything that isn`t of highest frequency is here. Only it`s not a lake ...It`s a presence or Life and Love itself.

One will burn in the lake of fire utterly and other will swim in it joyfully ...because when you attune on the Love frequency which is frequency of God, then you are one with God hence being able to do everything that you imagine all the time.
Then YOU ARE LOVE.

[Chester]

Wonderful - jesus is THE answer - and even the only answer - OK so why is jesus not stopping the mass human/animal sacrifice much less all the other atrocities occurring on earth each and every day?

Its my opinion anyone who believes in that jesus is just as complicit as the actual practitioners...

wynderer... please weigh in on my last question in post #313

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in fact - it is views such as "jesus is the answer" and/or "jesus is god" that seems to be the strongest line of defense of these very same archontic forces... think about it...

[Beren]

Thank you wynderer for a straight, direct answer...

So your opinion is (and by the way this opinion happens to be my hope and very much the way I lean) that Source is outside the sphere of the Archons (and the Demiurge) and though we are stuck within the sphere physically and perhaps to some extent mentally, spiritually (and even at the soul level) we are NOT completely cut off from Source and can access Source.

OK now, my next question is - Is it possible that there could be beings of form (can be physical 3D, can be other dimensional, can be non physical... whatever but they have to be individuated beings) that are outside of the sphere of the Archons that are then likely and perhaps strictly Source oriented (thus benevolent)?

Or is there just Source?

My friend, there are so many beings benevolent beyond our current comprehension.
Demiurge is not a Creator of humankind.
As a matter of fact there is/was not a single controller of Earth ... though many claimed so that they are or were...

Here falls the premise of Gnostic teaching where they cannot accept the simple truth of Creator and had to put in a spice of mystical teaching.
Can you smell a rat here?

I can .

Now I smell this tactic from space bullies which is the precise fear tactic or divide and conquer one. Impose the story that you are overlord or creator of man so henceforth man must serve you else you will destroy man. Fear, lies and darkness I sense here...

If THE Creator DID not forced humankind to serve it and whatever , then who are all those who demand worship and servitude?
All teachings of servitude you find are colored with fear and are different that real spirit of servitude in Love. In spirit of Love you are freely at service to anyone because you value God in them and thus God itself.

But in spirit of fear you have a spirit dude or whole race of dudes be them physical of spiritual, who DEMAND your energy and servitude...
GIVE us or we will do this or that to you...

That`s inter dimensional and cosmic bully talking.
And what do you do to bullies?

First you tell them nicely, then call your parent, then your teacher ,then school director, then police officer ...and what do you do at last if a bully is especially stupid and ignores all these measures?

You kick their a**.
You kick their a** so badly that their memory will ever be blinking red just thinking of you.

Why do I have a feeling that this a** kicking is about to be soon?

[RedeZra]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Wonderful - jesus is THE answer - and even the only answer - OK so why is jesus not stopping the mass human/animal sacrifice much less all the other atrocities occurring on earth each and every day?

Its my opinion anyone who believes in that jesus is just as complicit as the actual practitioners...

it is not possible to equate Jesus with anybody else in history

for His mission and message is not compatible with anything else


so it boils down to figuring out if Jesus is real or not


if He is not real then all bets are off

but if He is real then what He says is real

and He says I AM The Truth

[Chester]

Posted by Beren (here)

Thank you wynderer for a straight, direct answer...

So your opinion is (and by the way this opinion happens to be my hope and very much the way I lean) that Source is outside the sphere of the Archons (and the Demiurge) and though we are stuck within the sphere physically and perhaps to some extent mentally, spiritually (and even at the soul level) we are NOT completely cut off from Source and can access Source.

OK now, my next question is - Is it possible that there could be beings of form (can be physical 3D, can be other dimensional, can be non physical... whatever but they have to be individuated beings) that are outside of the sphere of the Archons that are then likely and perhaps strictly Source oriented (thus benevolent)?

Or is there just Source?

My friend, there are so many beings benevolent beyond our current comprehension.
Demiurge is not a Creator of humankind.
As a matter of fact there is/was not a single controller of Earth ... though many claimed so that they are or were...

Here falls the premise of Gnostic teaching where they cannot accept the simple truth of Creator and had to put in a spice of mystical teaching.
Can you smell a rat here?

I can .

Now I smell this tactic from space bullies which is the precise fear tactic or divide and conquer one. Impose the story that you are overlord or creator of man so henceforth man must serve you else you will destroy man. Fear, lies and darkness I sense here...

If THE Creator DID not forced humankind to serve it and whatever , then who are all those who demand worship and servitude?
All teachings of servitude you find are colored with fear and are different that real spirit of servitude in Love. In spirit of Love you are freely at service to anyone because you value God in them and thus God itself.

But in spirit of fear you have a spirit dude or whole race of dudes be them physical of spiritual, who DEMAND your energy and servitude...
GIVE us or we will do this or that to you...

That`s inter dimensional and cosmic bully talking.
And what do you do to bullies?

First you tell them nicely, then call your parent, then your teacher ,then school director, then police officer ...and what do you do at last if a bully is especially stupid and ignores all these measures?

You kick their a**.
You kick their a** so badly that their memory will ever be blinking red just thinking of you.

Why do I have a feeling that this a** kicking is about to be soon?

Thanks for your answer - I had always believed there are indeed benevolent beings that are not influenced by the demiurge/archons so I am glad to hear another one that shares the same view - Thanks Beren!!!

[observer]

As I mentioned in an earlier comment (#306), the one issue that receives very little research is the issue of Soul Harvesting. Nigel Kerner is one of the few individuals that even broach the subject.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fU_69fYFdQ4

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fU_69fYFdQ4

When reviewing the grey phenomenon, one must keep in mind they are merely biological robots. The Demiurge elite at the top of the pyramid (Horus Ra - by many other names) are the actual Soul Harvesters. These are the entities that are maintaining a Soul Harvesting operation here within this particular reality.

After one spends years investigating the alien phenomenon, the one single question that is never adequately answered is, why?

Gold, natural resources, even DNA collection are weak explanations for why this planet has been locked-down by an hyperdimensional reptilian species since the dawn of civilization. The evidence is overwhelming to this conclusion. The evidence is also overwhelming for another consideration - soul harvesting.

From the revelations discovered in the Nag Hammadi Library, to an in depth study of the Cathar, one is drawn to only one conclusion - this planet is a farming operation.

What is being farmed? Souls....

Here's some research material for those truly interested in this line of study:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vi...heaven-III.htm