*Divine Intervention*: ETs Defeating the Old World Order

[jorr lundstrom]

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
living in fear --???!!! do you not have eyes? do you not see the destruction happening to this planet???

I can see just fine, but my vision of the future is greater than the vision of the past. Clairvoyance was a skill that I rediscovered at an early age. As a Wanderer, I am here to anchor and channel light, not to absorb and extinguish it.

If one is not choosing to live in the vibratory frequency of love, then one is choosing to live within the vibratory frequency of fear. It is literally that simple.

Its not that simple. Fear isnt and have never been the absense of

love. Its just a stupid New Age idea. I live a life based on love in

this moment, having visions of where humanity have to get to survive.

But I dont claim to be able to forecast anything. Believing oneself to

have such abilities is cute as an idea, but Im afraid Im too experienced

to believe in Santa or any of the saviors sold by the deceptive agents. LOL

But of course you are free to imagine anything you want.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[Arrowwind]

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
HURRAY! Yes precisely, how bad does bad have to get before they decide its bad enough to interfere.

Your assumption is that they have not taken action. This couldn't be further from the truth. However, if you are waiting for the ET/EDs to land in your yard, it might be a while

Ive already had ETs show themselves to me but I see no proof that they are
eliminating the cabal. I dont need proof that they exist. I want other proofs

So show me the proof. No one has shown me any proof.
probably because there is no proof.
probably because nothing has really changed from ET intervention in our world politics
regarding the cabal.

Where's the proof!!!?????

[StarDust]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Another new age guru in the making....

Jorr's vibrational level is just fine, he has exhibited repeatedly the hallmark of a higher vibration--intelligence and wisdom not repetitive peddling of BS.

I seek no such accolade. Again, it's just an observation. I hear plenty of whining, but no plans for action. So what do you intend on doing about it to make the world a better place?

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Posted by jorr lundstrom (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
living in fear --???!!! do you not have eyes? do you not see the destruction happening to this planet???

I can see just fine, but my vision of the future is greater than the vision of the past. Clairvoyance was a skill that I rediscovered at an early age. As a Wanderer, I am here to anchor and channel light, not to absorb and extinguish it.

If one is not choosing to live in the vibratory frequency of love, then one is choosing to live within the vibratory frequency of fear. It is literally that simple.

Its not that simple. Fear isnt and have never been the absense of

love. Its just a stupid New Age idea. I live a life based on love in

this moment, having visions of where humanity have to get to survive.

But I dont claim to be able to forecast anything. Believing oneself to

have such abilities is cute as an idea, but Im afraid Im too experienced

to believe in Santa or any of the saviors sold by the deceptive agents. LOL

But of course you are free to imagine anything you want.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

Selamat Gajun! Selamat Ja!

[Arrowwind]

Posted by Rupertmoon (here)
Without wishing to throw water on this fire... another perspective and something to ponder.

Where was the non human intervention at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did those souls call that experience to them before they incarnated or is there intervention on both sides of the fence?

seems to me the ETs might be involved in racial profiling. They will save us from the Cabal, but not the Japanese from nuclear destruction, neither now or in the past.

[jorr lundstrom]

If there was a pill that could cure stupidity, it would be very hard

to market such a pill. Being unable to distinguish between a mirror

and wots mirrored is a very dangerous condition.


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[9eagle9]

Lol. Proof can't be provided.

Asking for proof is negative.

Isn't that convenient?

Posted by Arrowwind (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
HURRAY! Yes precisely, how bad does bad have to get before they decide its bad enough to interfere.

Your assumption is that they have not taken action. This couldn't be further from the truth. However, if you are waiting for the ET/EDs to land in your yard, it might be a while

Ive already had ETs show themselves to me but I see no proof that they are
eliminating the cabal. I dont need proof that they exist. I want other proofs

So show me the proof. No one has shown me any proof.
probably because there is no proof.
probably because nothing has really changed from ET intervention in our world politics
regarding the cabal.

Where's the proof!!!?????

[foreverfan]

Wilcock and Drake isn't the greatest deception.... This very short link is/was much worse.

Click Here For The Greatest Deception of All Time.

[Mozart]

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)

... they may simply be vibrating at a level that we simply cannot see with human eyes; I have to presume that all 5D and above is not visible to us, no matter how nifty the camera.

frozen alchemy ~


You are right -- 5D (both the 5th density and the 5th dimension) are invisible to us 3-D beings; 4-D (both kinds) is also invisible, as are the rest of the higher dimensions up to the 8th level of this octave of maya.


~~ I was showing my ex-GF this cute, little "rapture" dude and she totally LOVED it. <grin>


~Mozart

[peace]

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by peace (here)
hi.

two wars going on right now.

people all over the world dying of hunger (where bullets and bombs don't matter)

rape.

violence.

alcohol/drug addiction killing thousands.

remember the holocuast, stalin, pol pot?

if these et's/ed's are waiting because they are upset with some rich dudes i think they've sorely misjudged when they were needed.

Paradigm change must come first. Otherwise you are treating the symptoms without eradicating the disease. Where do you think all those blights on humanity originate from anyway? They certainly aren't emanating from the vast majority of peaceful, loving, people on this planet. YES, those aspects you mentioned are very important and will be addressed as soon as they can be. But first things, first! Once the cabal has been eradicated, it will amaze everyone how fast those aspects of the 3rd density human experience dissipate.

With regard to the timing of the ET/EDs that was primarily up to us as a collective consciousness to determine when/if we get help. The divisive nature of humanity has been so well maintained that the call was never given. That changed once we reached a critical mass within our collective consciousness sometime within the recent past. This we must accept responsibility for this process with the understanding that it provided vast experience within the lower levels of conciousness; and was necessary prior to the expansion of consciousness that we are experiencing now.

do you have any info on when this critical mass happened?

another thing: why must we, here and now, accept responsibility for those horrible things that happened?

and i guess my biggest problem with this info (and thanks for your answer by the way, i'm not meaning to attack!!) is: if these et/ed/ebe's are so powerful and/or benevolent; and as it's been noted, they've been here a loong time, it doesn't seem to add up that things had to get bad and some sort of collective call has to go out. things have been bad for a long, long time. well before any of the things i've listed.

and if they are extra dimensional, even being outside of time (assumption on my part) it seems the whole thing could've been avoided. i'm sure there is something about free will, but if they are every interjecting at all, then there isn't free will.

just some thoughts for you. and thanks again for the reply, not attacking you personally. i don't think anything is going to happen.

we'll all be saved at the last minute, i'm sure. reported exclusively at divinecosmos.com

"mountains" of documents will never appear.

his channeled information or next stubbed toe (read his 9/11 ''premonition") will give us all something to talk about in 2013. Where everything will basically be the same.

[wynderer]

quite a few of us on this forum can see into 4D & even into 5D at times

4D not very pretty these days -- your controllers have it pretty well wrapped up

Posted by Mozart (here)

Posted by frozen alchemy (here)

... they may simply be vibrating at a level that we simply cannot see with human eyes; I have to presume that all 5D and above is not visible to us, no matter how nifty the camera.

frozen alchemy ~


You are right -- 5D (both the 5th density and the 5th dimension) are invisible to us 3-D beings; 4-D (both kinds) is also invisible, as are the rest of the higher dimensions up to the 8th level of this octave of maya.


~Mozart

[jorr lundstrom]

According to #43 in this thread, asking for proof from others are ok.

Sorry, my fault this eem to be proofs noone can provide. Excuse me.

LOL A pill? I recommend the blue, it comes with a snoring component.





All is well


Jorr 2.0

[StarDust]

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Posted by peace (here)
do you have any info on when this critical mass happened?

According to Inelia Benz, this happened sometime in 2010. If you haven't listened to her interviews, I highly recommend them.

[peace]

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Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by peace (here)
do you have any info on when this critical mass happened?

According to Inelia Benz, this happened sometime in 2010. If you haven't listened to her interviews, I highly recommend them.

i've checked out the big one bill posted on the home page. thanks. does she go in to depth about what the tipping point may have been. sorry, i can't remember.

[Mozart]

Posted by wynderer (here)

they are NOT preventing nuclear holocaust -- our planet is being badly nuked right now from Fukushima, & when Momma Earth shakes, much more radiation will spread over this planet from all the other nuclear power plants

your survival as a race & the survival of all other forms of Life here are in great jeopardy right now

The vast majority of people do not understand the level of intricacies of the ET involvement of their management of us humans here on Earth.


I can guarantee -- with no proof offered -- that the ETs are heavily involved in mitigating numerous events, such as the Fukushima event that, if it were to be completely unmitigated, the disaster of it would have been far worse by orders of magnitude.


Again, I have no proof of the ETs interfering with our worldly events ... but the military has proof, CNN has proof, but they are not going to release such proof ... yet.


But after is all said and done (post-mass arrest world) and in the post-disclosure world, we will find out exactly to what degree the ETs have been doing and will have done to help us along.


No, they are not going to stop certain events completely if such events -- like the Fukushima disaster, the Japanese tsunami, the Indonesian tsunami, 911, ete -- are needed to create a balance of positive and negative events that are designed to trigger our awakening.


And its by design that things are scary -- fear can be a great motivator to change ... or not ... your choice. It depends on which timeline that you want to be in ... that's a subject for another post and I've been wanting to post that post for a while. Soon I'll post it.


~Mozart

[Mozart]

Posted by Rupertmoon (here)
Without wishing to throw water on this fire... another perspective and something to ponder.

Where was the non human intervention at Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Did those souls call that experience to them before they incarnated or is there intervention on both sides of the fence?

ETs could have prevented that event, yes, but then that would have interfered with the karmic lessons that we humans needed to have at that time and beyond.


Karmic balance is the key here.


But in these extraordinary times, it calls for extraordinary measures, so now -- thanks to the pressure waves from the coming Greatest Moment of All Time coming up at anywhere from the end of this year (Dec 2012) to the end of 2013, which is part of the time window (the end of 2011 to the end of 2013) that the Ra Material had given for the moment of the ascension event itself.


So now the ETs are stepping up their levels of involvement -- yet still staying behind the scenes -- to a point until open contact can be made. Open contact with ETs is extremely likely to happen this year. Extremely likely.


~Mozart

[StarDust]

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another thing: why must we, here and now, accept responsibility for those horrible things that happened?

Gaia and all her inhabitants form a collective consciousness. The concept of separation is merely an illusion within this holographic existence. We have each chosen to incarnate here for experience within lower consciousness in order to progress ourselves on the spiritual path. Many of these lessons are either not easily attained or not available within the upper Densities.

If you re-read my initial statement I was suggesting that we need to take responsibility for the process of the expansion of consciousness that is occurring on everyone's behalf; breaking out of the fear construct is part of that responsibility as it will be a strict vibratory requirement as we move forward. The observation was not directed toward certain atrocities as you were suggesting.

To learn more about this process, I suggest reading "The Law of ONE" series by Elkins, Ruckert, McCarty. The books are recommended but it is now available on-line for free including quick study guides:http://www.spiritofra.com/Ra-section%201.htm

and i guess my biggest problem with this info (and thanks for your answer by the way, i'm not meaning to attack!!) is: if these et/ed/ebe's are so powerful and/or benevolent; and as it's been noted, they've been here a loong time, it doesn't seem to add up that things had to get bad and some sort of collective call has to go out. things have been bad for a long, long time. well before any of the things i've listed.

Yes, the prime directive of non-interference was strictly observed until Gaia and her collective consciousness made the call for help; which according to Inelia Benz occurred sometime in 2010 - Everyone was permitted a vote, that occurred telepathically some time during your sleep state. Non-interference is designed to permit sentient beings to develop as they are intended by source as a unique expression of source.

and if they are extra dimensional, even being outside of time (assumption on my part) it seems the whole thing could've been avoided. i'm sure there is something about free will, but if they are every interjecting at all, then there isn't free will.

Extra dimensional merely refers to their current progression along the spiritual path to reconnecting with Source as ONE. Time as you are familiar with it does not exist outside of 3rd Density or 4th Dimension. Since earth humans have incarnated for the purpose of experience within lower consciousness, there is no purpose to making it easy for anyone. If so, then leaving your higher Density self to experience lower consciousness would lack meaning. It is a school of "hard knocks" for a reason.

just some thoughts for you. and thanks again for the reply, not attacking you personally.

You are welcome. I don't take any of this personally. My intent is not to offend, but to point out a perspective that may not be readily apparent to those who engage. What you do with that perspective is entirely up to you. Ultimately, there is no wrong path. It's just that some are easier to navigate than others.

[StarDust]

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Posted by peace (here)

Posted by StarDust (here)

Posted by peace (here)
do you have any info on when this critical mass happened?

According to Inelia Benz, this happened sometime in 2010. If you haven't listened to her interviews, I highly recommend them.

i've checked out the big one bill posted on the home page. thanks. does she go in to depth about what the tipping point may have been. sorry, i can't remember.

That's quite all right and I'm glad to be of assistance. Clearly that information did not have gravity at the time but does now that you are seeking answers to your questions. I think that this particular information may be contained within the interview where she is on the park bench. I replayed parts of it several times as it was an important part of my understanding of what is/has transpired.

[jorr lundstrom]

Well Mozart, we up here in the North followed the edge of the ice for

25 000 thousand years led by our schamans. We didnt hear about

karma untill the sixties, when the indian gurus began to contaminate

our minds. Before that we had the christian conceps of guilt and shame.

Same **** if you ask me, control paradigms. So I really have great

difficulties grasping wot you say about a needed karmic balance.

To me its just a lot of New Age hashibashi. But in due time we will

see if your prophesies will take place, wount we?

You said end of 2012- 2013, didnt you? Well..............


All is well


Jorr 2.0

[KiwiElf]

There are very interesting correlations here. Others have mentioned big shifts in what could be considered altered timeline events;

"Henry" Deacon, (our calendar date system has been altered so that 2017 could be considered the end or latest point of that general 2012-2017 window, based on what they knew at the time.

Bashar (who calculated back in the late 1980's, that major "jumps" or shifts in awareness would increase from 1987 onward emphasizing odd-numbered years; the real big changes come around 2017, but could be five or so years earlier, "depending on us" = (2012-2013), NASA and others have calculated massive solar flares early in 2013, just 2-3 weeks after the 21 Dec 2012 date, and recent new Mayan discoveries project their so called calendar "end time" will simply restart and continue on for infinity.

Even Alternative 3 hinted that TPTW believedwe might be in trouble further into the future (around this general timing).

It really seems to me, that each of us individually and collectively, - our true "energy belief & thoughts" (whether upgraded or not) are a big factor in this too. Many other ideas are converging at this general near-future timing - we have to get past the dogma - It all fits.

In other words, if we really DO create our own [version] of reality each microsecond - both individually and CO-created collectively, it fits. (And that makes a future prediction impossible to predict with any great accuracy - the possibilities are easier to gauge at a generalised level only and this is constantly changing) ?

[Rantaak]

Posted by wynderer (here)
quite a few of us on this forum can see into 4D & even into 5D at times

4D not very pretty these days -- your controllers have it pretty well wrapped up

Do not confuse dimension with density. They are very different concepts. Dimension refers to an array of directions, such as a vector. A three dimensional vector is an array of three directional components. A four dimensional vector is an array of four components, and so forth. Density, on the other hand, refers to spectrum of scalar vibration.

To speak of the fourth dimension is to exhibit hubris (unless you are a salvia sorceror). To speak of the fourth density, given experience of such, is more honest. In my visitations to the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth densities everything seemed to be in grand order. I'm not sure what you saw or where you went to convince yourself otherwise, but since duality is only present in the density that our bodies occupy I would have to conclude that you were wrong in your perceptions.

Good day!