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    Default Re: Fukushima is falling apart: are you ready?

    Apparently, reactor 3 is completely liquified which has never happened before in a reactor.

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    comparing fukushima to chrenobyl is rediculous, if rods fall into the ocean its completely different than a reactor that explodes material into the atmosphere, catches the trade winds and spreads for hundreds of miles...

    again this would be a local issue; yes the rods should be removed, no the world will not be stripped of life if this happens.

    chrenobyl is actualy quite a healthy (plant and animal life abound) area, people even live there (though not many) there is a woman that takes tours through there yearly on a motorcycle and photographs the city (very interesting) & even tourist companies that take tourists to the city (though not the reactor site; that I know of).

    some animals..


    here's the reactor's sarcophagus (a new one is going built since they never recovered the material..)


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    color me not convinced that this is a "world ending" event... this happened what. 26 years ago? what ever happened to the 100 thousand year numbers (or what ever rediculous figure we are told of) that its supose to take to recover ?
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    comparing fukushima to chrenobyl is rediculous, if rods fall into the ocean its completely different than a reactor that explodes material into the atmosphere, catches the trade winds and spreads for hundreds of miles...

    again this would be a local issue; yes the rods should be removed, no the world will not be stripped of life if this happens.

    chrenobyl is actualy quite a healthy (plant and animal life abound) area, people even live there (though not many) there is a woman that takes tours through there yearly on a motorcycle and photographs the city (very interesting) & even tourist companies that take tourists to the city (though not the reactor site; that I know of).

    Hey mate,

    Sorry, but you are so wrong.

    Chernobyl has a 30Km radius area called exclusion zone, that´s highly contaminated with radioactivity!

    "The Exclusion Zone covers an area of approximately 2,600 km2 in Ukraine immediately surrounding the Chernobyl nuclear power plant where radioactive contamination from fallout is highest and public access and inhabitation are restricted".

    "Today, the Exclusion Zone is one of the most radioactively contaminated areas in the world"

    By the way, in Fukushima, they have a deposit that accumulate 40 years of radioactive trash, also some of the reactors are leaking so much radiation, that even robots can´t fix it, because they can´t handle so much radioactivity.

    Fukushima´s scenario is much worse than Chernobyl!!

    If all the leaked and accumulated radioactive material fall on the ocean, it would kill all oceanic life on the planet, consequently killing almost every living being on Earth.


    Sources:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone

    http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...067562,00.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...2.html#s233577

    That´s it.

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    Default Re: Fukushima is falling apart: are you ready?

    except people and animals do live in that area, mostly hermits etc & not near the reactor (of course)..

    chernobyl was a terrible "accident", something like that should be avoided at all costs (I'm not saying anything different here.), but it is not really comparable to fukushima & is also not a toxic desert waste land where life is non - exsistant.


    Quote If all the leaked and accumulated radioactive material fall on the ocean, it would kill all oceanic life on the planet, consequently killing almost every living being on Earth.

    this thread is tending to extremes, I'm trying to bring a little grey to the black and white... not swing it back to white... think in shades, not absolutes.
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    Hey folks,

    Some people never learn...

    Japan to restart two nuclear reactors

    http://rt.com/news/nuclear-japan-rea...fukushima-196/

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    If you don't like the language or direction this thread is going, you should probably take it up with the physicists who disagree with your assessment of the situation, T.
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    FYI, here`s a link to all of Global Research`s articles on The Fukushima situation. I can`t claim to have read them all, but I`ve read a lot of them, and I find it quite frightening. As stated earlier in this thread, the condition of the reactor 4 building and it`s fuel pool is especially tenuous. If it collapses and all 1600 or so of the fuel bundles go up in smoke, there is no question that we have some serious worries. Will it be the END...I don`t know, but I`d feel a thousand times better if a radioactive cloud of that size could be avoided entirely.

    Anyway, here`s the link to the GR reading list. Hope you all can find something of interest.


    http://http://www.globalresearch.ca/...t=va&aid=28870

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    Fukushima Daiichi: It May Be too Late Unless the Military Steps in

    Quote The highly radioactive spent fuel assemblies at the Fukushima-Daiichi power plants present a clear threat to the people of Japan and the world. Reactor 4 and the nearby common spent fuel pool contain over 11,000 highly radioactive spent fuel assemblies, many of which are exposed to the open air. The cesium-137, the radioactive component contained in these assemblies, present at the site is 85 times larger than the amount released during the Chernobyl accident. Another magnitude 7.0 earthquake would jar them from their pool or stop the cooling water, which would lead to a nuclear fire and meltdown. The nuclear disaster that would result is beyond anything science has ever seen. Calling it a global catastrophe is no exaggeration.

    If political leaders understand the situation and the potential catastrophe, I find it difficult to understand why they remain silent.

    The following leaves little to question:

    1. Many scientists believe that it will be impossible to remove the 1,535 fuel assemblies in the pool of Reactor 4 within two or three years.
    2. Japanese scientists give a greater than 90 percent probability that an earthquake of at least 7.0 magnitude will occur in the next three years in the close vicinity of Fukushia-Daiichi.
    3. The crippled building of Reactor 4 will not stand through another strong earthquake.
    4. Japan and the TEPCO do not have adequate nuclear technology and experience to handle a disaster of such proportions alone.


    Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon wrote a letter to Japan’s Ambassador to the United States, Mr. Ichiro Fujisaki, on April 16, 2012, discussing his fact-finding trip to the Fukushima Daiichi site.

    Senator Wyden, senior member of the United States Committee on Energy and Natural Resources, mentioned that “the scope of damage to the plants and to the surrounding area was far beyond what [he] expected and the scope of the challenge to the utility owner, the government of Japan, and to the people of the region are daunting.” He also mentioned that “TEPCO’s December 21, 2011 remediation roadmap proposes to take up to ten years to complete spent fuel removal from all of the pools on the site. Given the compromised nature of these structures due to the events of March 11, their schedule carries extraordinary and continuing risk if further severe seismic events were to occur.”

    Many of us echo Senator Wyden’s concerns.

    Has the government of Japan and other world leaders considered the facts above that would lead to a global catastrophe, and do they have a clear strategy to prevent this worst case scenario? Are there any means to shorten the period for the completion of removal spent fuel from all of the pools, in particular of Reactor 4, within two years or so? Are we able to trust such extraordinary tasks to TEPCO and the private sector?

    I believe that the government of Japan should lead the way and embrace all means at its disposal in order to prevent a disaster that would affect our dozens of generations of our descendants. In this context, I cannot help but consider the role of the military in addition to the international technical support team. They possess the technological and logistical capacity that a company such as TEPCO does not.

    Deploying the Japanese self defense force (military) inside the country’s borders would be an incredibly controversial political decision, but the political fallout for the government from this step would pale in comparison to having such an immense global catastrophe occur on its watch.

    For this reason, I flew to Japan from New York in April to convey my concerns to Japanese political leaders. Ambassador Mitsuhei Murata and I met with Mr. Fujimura, Chief Cabinet Secretary, who assured us he would convey our message to Prime Minister Noda before his departure for Washington to meet with President Obama on April 30. Both leaders might have discussed the Fukushima nuclear accident issue at their private meeting, but the idea for an independent assessment team and international help for the disaster were not mentioned publicly. I am old enough to understand the politics of the matter, but I cannot accept them. It will be an irreversible mistake that affects our population for thousands of years if they do not take action now.

    If this catastrophe occurred, regardless of policy and politics, all 440 nuclear power plants throughout the world would be forced to shut down, yet our descendants no matter what will have to carry the risk of radioactive materials in the nuclear waste repository for 100,000 to 200,000 years.

    This is a long amount of time to conceive of, so let me put it in context. It is said that our anscestors might have made their journey to the rest of the world from South Africa about 100,000 years ago, and crafted our first tools of the Stone Age about 20,000 years ago. We will need the same amount of time that our human species has existed for in order to safely deposit radioactive material! How come do we envision the poison to be transferred on to our descendants for so long and how will we find a way to indicate the location of the radioactive repository? Are we sure that the hundred radioactive repositories throughout the world be protected from severe seismic events for this incredible period of the time?

    If this global catastrophe occurs, the best we can hope is that the memory of our disaster might be passed on to our future generations in the hope that they might invent the new technology to prevent them from another such catastrophe.
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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    except people and animals do live in that area, mostly hermits etc & not near the reactor (of course)..

    chernobyl was a terrible "accident", something like that should be avoided at all costs (I'm not saying anything different here.), but it is not really comparable to fukushima & is also not a toxic desert waste land where life is non - exsistant.



    Somewhere recently I read a thread about Chernobyl written by an 'insider' and it refuted most of the information we have been given regarding radiation levels. It could have been a pro-nuclear programme/disinformation item and I didn't have the discernment to know ..... however some of the points stuck .... eg physically bringing radiation to areas in Europe, Wales, N England and then testing sheep/cattle in that area to 'prove' that radiation had contaminated that area.

    Proof that most of the workers who were around at the time of the explosion still lived and the area surrounding was only dangerous to a short distance from the site.

    Not wishing to take any chances i, like many others, stocked up on Pottasium Iodine and today take Lugols Iodine solution regularly, just in case.

    Just googled and found this from a site I trust for neutral research


    Quote If all the leaked and accumulated radioactive material fall on the ocean, it would kill all oceanic life on the planet, consequently killing almost every living being on Earth.

    this thread is tending to extremes, I'm trying to bring a little grey to the black and white... not swing it back to white... think in shades, not absolutes.
    http://www.raysahelian.com/radiation...treatment.html

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    Excellent article!

    Quote The fact is we may never know the truth about Chernobyl because the records are lost, thousands of people from 24 countries who cleaned up the site have dispersed across the vast former Soviet Union, and many people have died.

    Fukushima is not Chernobyl, but it is potentially worse. It is a multiple reactor catastrophe happening within 150 miles of a metropolis of 30 million people. If it happened at Sellafield, there would be panic in every major city in Britain. We still don't know the final outcome but to hear experts claiming that nuclear radiation is not that serious, or that this accident proves the need for nuclear power, is nothing short of disgraceful.
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    Here's your nuclear waste ending solution.

    It's been here, in totality, for quite some time:

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...401#post489401
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    It's been a while since I've been on this thread. The determination of Avalonians to ignore the 'shades of gray' in understanding this topic was so astounding that I just could not face coming back for a bit. I really know deeply that it is the human decision to focus with great relish and delight on DOOM & GLOOM which brings SO MUCH of it into being. Is this a new age knowing? H*** NO, it is my personal strong awareness. Yes, we all create this reality. It is important to stop living in DENIAL, but it is also really important to remain focused on the joy of living here. It is living in joy and gratitude for THIS moment which allows all things to change and reform into a new moment of delight. And, focusing on drama creates more of the same, especially if so many are determined to fixate on it. So, here we are... facing something which appears DARK and scary... and something we feel powerless about. Meanwhile... this moment is really lovely... isn't it?

    OK, enough said. Now about this topic.
    Here are some points I'd like to make:

    1. I live just a couple of miles from the beach in Central California. And at this moment I am within 10 miles of an antique nuclear plant (Diablo Canyon). Why am I here... my heart calls me to be here in this moment. Who knows about the 'next moment'. Perhaps my heart may move me somewhere else.

    2. There are ZERO dandelions here showing signs of nuclear radiation. I know because after reading an earlier post in this thread I have spent weeks looking at every plant I can find (over 1,000 and counting) very carefully. There are NO signs of radiation reaction in these plants here on the West Coast of Central California where I live.

    3. I have just forked out $600.00 of my own money to purchase a state of the art Geiger Counter which is being mailed to me. Meanwhile, I have paid a portion of this cost to purchase the software to link it to the web site where private individuals are creating maps that you (the public) can use to see what is truly happening. I am doing this because the best way to deal with fear is with INFORMATION. So I am putting in some effort to obtain information for myself, and some additional money to share this information with you. If you would like to add yourself to this network in order to help us all obtain information here is the link to do so: http://www.geigercounters.com/. And, as I mentioned in an earlier post, if you'd like to see current time readouts of privately owned radiation counters around the world you can to to www.radiationnetwork.com. My station name will be Pismo Beach and it will show right where the radiation symbol is on the central California coast.

    4. It is not true that the 'highly contaminated area nearest Chernobyl' is a 'wasteland'. It IS true that the government has banned people from living there. But it is also true that it is filled with lush grass and healthy livestock which are wandering freely in this area. It is far from a 'dead zone' of a nuclear wasteland.

    5. None of these points address the future of Fukashima or reactor No.4 there. I don't think any of us know for sure what is going to happen or what is happening there.

    6. I know for a fact that I have the ability to affect weather patterns, and that I have personally moved tectonic plates within the earth, and I have personally changed the future for all of us here on the planet a number of times. Who am I? I am a person just like you (who ever you are that is reading this). I am simply 'awakened' after a lifetime of meditation, and because it is simply my lifetime to 'wake-up'. You might say being an awakened 'Person of Power' is my destiny in this life time. If you met me, you might think I am a very ordinary older woman. You would be unlikely to realize that I am a 'Person of Power', unless you knew what to look for. I am NOT alone... there are many just like me, and I know many of them. The 'People of Power' I know best are located up and down the West Coast of the United States. Perhaps many 'People of Power' are living here because our conscious awareness is needed here. I never know when my power is needed until the moment which requires it appears. I can tell you that my little human ego/brain is often totally amazed at what I can do when I am called to do it. (now I am not boasting, I am just making a point here.. and if you read my other posts you can find more details about some of what I am saying) Therefore I cannot predict the future, or what I will be called to do until it arrives and I do it. I don't know what will happen in the next moments here on the planet or in my life.

    7. If our lives follow the well worn patterns of conscious and unconscious beliefs we are holding on to, then none of us are going to leave here alive. Living on the planet as a human, is a dangerous business ... because the bodies we experience this reality through seem so fragile. I have no idea when, or if a change will happen regarding this for humanity. In some way this change 'is/has/or will be', happening. How do I know this? Because if this were not so, then we would not be able to envision it, or to long for it. Meanwhile, we are all caught in the current state of human consciousness on the planet to one degree or another.

    So pay attention to the information of Fukishima ... But also be willing to read alternate ideas. Feel the fear of dying and of the human species dying.... Then, when you are done, be sure to feel and fully experience the richness of the moment.

    Right now in my moment: the evening air coming in the window is delightfully chilly on my skin. There is amazing music playing on my stereo. My partner is sitting next to me at our shared desk while he builds and creates another amazing electronic healing device based on LED technology (our home based business). Below our little home, the cars on the freeway make a soft 'shhhh' sound as they hurry by on their way up and down the coast. And outside our little pond is bubbling away while the smell of jasmine comes in little puffs through our tiny trailer. Life in this moment is rich and wonderful. I enjoy having a human body in this moment. And in another moment the experience will change to something totally new. Being human: what an amazing journey.
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    I've made a little web page with information that will really help everyone see a bit more of what is happening. This will help us see that .. so far at least, there isn't likely to be bad health effects from Fukishima. That is NOT to say something bad will not happen... But it hasn't happened so far, even though we are being told it has. Here's the link, and I've also put it into this post below: http://www.photonmatrix.com/images/radiationtable.jpg

    *********************************************************************

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    This book (Underexposed) has such valuable information! It turns out that low doses of radiation act as inoculations for when 'high doses' show up. And... if we don't get enough radiation.. we get sick. It is very important to get enough radiation. And in the United States, the population is chronically underexposed. Really! I recommend you read this book if you are experiencing fear about radiation... You will see that we have been LIED to by the EPA! We are being deliberately frightened with FALSE information, and FALSE education on the topic of radiation. Here are some examples:

    1) It is absolutely FALSE that NO level of radiation is safe. In fact radiation is a key to health and longevity. Most of us simply do not get enough to be healthy.

    2) If radiation doses are so dangerous, then WHY are the survivors of Hiroshima (those who did not initially die from over exposure) living longer and with 65% LOWER cancer rates than the rest of us?

    3) If radiation doses are so dangerous, then WHY do studies of 9,000 nuclear reactor employees show that they live longer, with almost no cancer illnesses, as compared to the general population (that would be us)?

    4) What is going on here?

    And.. We still don't know what is happening in Fukishima at the plant there.... but I do know that much of the info in this thread is FALSE and members on Avalon do not realize that they are parroting the false info they have been programmed with. We should consider taking the time to educate ourselves.

    Now, it is true, that radioactive particles in the body are NOT a good thing. It is also true that most of them can be stopped with a paper air filter, and by washing off the exterior of our bodies and the foods we eat that has been exposed to radiation particles in the atmosphere. And it appears true that radioactive dust on everything would not be good thing. Still.. we have to ask ourselves what the system lords get out of scaring us all about radiation, and hiding the fact that MORE radiation exposure would actually be good for most of us? Are they afraid we would find out that radiation exposure can prolong our happy and productive years? Are they afraid we might find out that more radiation would lengthen our lifespan, as seems to be the case? This is certainly what the studies that the EPA has been hiding from us all show...
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    so pleased you posted that Dawn ... in response to another members comments about the world 'being nuked' by Fukishima i did some research (as far as i could with the net and what we are allowed to see!) and found nothing really official or conclusive, i still have no idea whats going on there..

    world nuclear news site says people are being moved back into the surrounding areas of Fukishima...

    Early returns to Fukushimahttp://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS...a_0204121.html

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/0...ince-fukushima

    Chernobyl fit for habitation: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS...n_2504121.html

    From last year, death toll: http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS...i_0304111.html
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    I've spent additional time this evening looking at another radiation reporting site here: http://blog.safecast.org/maps/

    Doing the conversions on these maps and comparing them to the page of the book I created a link for (here: http://www.photonmatrix.com/images/radiationtable.jpg) has been challenging,

    I used information from http://www.convertworld.com/en/equiv.../Millirem.html to help me do the conversion.

    Anyway, it seems that tonight the radiation readings at the WORST recorded site in Fukishima would give us as much exposure as watching 2 color televisions. Most other sites within Fukishima, where readings have been taken, would not even give us the radiation we would get from watching ONE color television. Now, this is likely to be the OLD form of color TV because I am comparing the radiation levels in Fukishima to the information in the book, Underexposed, which was written a number of years ago.

    There might be particles in the air there, which would not be safe to eat or breath in... but with a paper filter and washing our vegetables before we eat them... these could be taken care of. Eventually these particles would settle down into the earth and ocean, where molds and fungi could begin to detoxify them, as they have done for millenia.

    So, if we are not scared of watching a color television, then we should not be fearful of going to visit Fukishima if we are in the mood. And living 'downwind' from Fukashima in Hawaii or the United States does not look very scary either.

    If we spend some time on these sites we can obtain some really good information.. and NONE of it is scary ... at least not tonight. In the moment it appears that there is a BIG PUSH towards FEAR MONGERING going on, with a lot of false information being fed to us, as evidenced by all the links in this thread. Beware of this, if we choose to get caught in FEAR then we are choosing to lose our power as a creator of life here on planet earth and as a 'Person of Power'.

    Still... none of us know about reactor No.4... or the future. How much bull**** are we being fed on this topic? Who knows ... so it is good to do our best to look at what we can find out about this topic. Still, the remainder of the story, about all the terrible things going on in the moment, seems to be fear mongering... so it puts the rest of the attached information into question (at least for me). Being given the mushroom treatment (kept in the dark and fed manure) has given most of us our sense of fear and paranoia.

    Now.... who would benefit from keeping us powerless and afraid... I wonder?
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    Very important to know this. As usual, we don't hear about this in the media. Thanks a lot for this. Lisa

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    Wow, just spent an hour reading this thread, and I'm saddened to see that it is 5 pages in and the discussion is still whether or not nuclear radiation is present in dosages which are harmful. I thought it would be a thread about how to deal with harmful dosages of radiation. Hopefully we can all agree that nuclear radiation at some level is harmful to biological life?

    I like the idea that there are individuals who are taking readings themselves and not trusting mainstream media for information. I think that is now a global phenomenon called the "alternative media" and I will say, sadly, that the alternative media is getting infiltrated with provocateurs and disinfo agents, and maximum discernment is needed. This phenomenon is forcing all of us to be researchers and do our own due diligence, and hopefully sites like this can assist in that endeavor.

    So, I have two questions: In the event that there is overexposure to radiation, can we keep the flora and fauna in our systems strong enough to eliminate all toxicity, no matter how intense it is? Is there not a certain type of clay we can also ingest to carry these toxic metals out of the body?

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    March of 2013 mother earth will invert into a binary star, recycling all mistakes man has accumulated over the Millennia’s of bad choices.
    So, are we to just go with the flow and say that mother earth is going to cleanse herself from the parasitical humans and so therefore we are done with 3D experience and therefore we all better hurry up and go inside and get in touch with our higher selves before it's too late?

    Please could you link us to more information on this binary star info?

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    1.the resettling towards the southern hemisphere ; partially, it is done as soon i am going to investigate possible move.(not based on nuclear disaster). have been toying with it for the last few years.
    I live in Portland Oregon, which is supposed to be one of the areas most affected by the tradewinds. I would like to know if it makes sense for me to relocate to the southern hemisphere of this planet, and there are those who have done so, such as Bill Ryan. He stated in his most recent discussion with James Gilliland that he made his decision to move to the southern hemisphere to support his body with life force from foods which come directly from source to consumption all year round, and that there is no processing to destroy it. He also stated that he believes (paraphrasing here) that some event is possible to take out the northern hemisphere and make it uninhabitable. He did not reiterate. I wish he would.

    I have an acquaintance who is taking a trip to Argentina and Uruguay to scope out the possibility of relocation and is going to share his findings with me when he returns. I have another friend who has warned me that I need to be prepared to leave at a moments notice and head to the southern hemisphere, should reactor 4 blow. I've considered this, but what about my family? How do I relocate all of my extended family and all of my loved ones? What about my grandchildren who cannot help themselves?
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    grip reaper,

    I think Bill has the right idea with providing his body with clean, organic, fresh foods. This will pump up his immune system so that it may have a fighting chance to combat any thing our environment can throw at it. And being down in the SH does help in the immediate if #4 should go. But the winds and currents being what they are, it's anyone's guess as to how long that amont of radiation will spread to all parts of the planet. Will it be diluted enough to not cause any harm? Who can say?

    Other than putting out some positive intention for this occurrence not to happen and taking care of our bodies as best we can, we in the Northen hemisphere should just try to live each day without fear and enjoy what we have.

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