WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Again, I need to center this thread on my intentions. I wrote this essay during my midlife crisis years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm

If I rewrote it today, the tenor would be different, but the primary message would be the same. I do not know of a more involved conundrum on Earth than that one. Virtually nobody has ever constructively engaged the issue in it many facets. That essay was kind of an embryonic version of this essay:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm

written nearly three years later, when my midlife crisis was finally behind me. That essay is what brought Brian O fully back into my life. It might be my favorite essay on my site. It was written in response to some entreaties that I was getting to become involved with some activists. That essay kind of blew them away, and they went away. Nearly four years later, the essay that I am working on I intend to take to another level, one that I have not achieved on my site yet. I may fail, but I have to try.

But, my point is that those essays are distillations of what I learned in the free energy trenches, and while interacting with the milieu in subsequent years in less intense fashion. The basic lessons that I learned were during my days with Dennis in the 1980s. The rest is really just frosting. I have my doubts that I can teach what I learned, but I can try. When you play at those levels, you get a radically different perspective about how the world works. If not for my days with Dennis, I would probably not have much worth saying. As it is, my primary message should be obvious, but here it is again.

1. Humanity is about to crash the planet, largely because of energy scarcity. I don’t know about you, but I do not want to have that happen while I live here.

2. That planet-threatening energy scarcity is artificially enforced, because keeping energy scarce keeps a tiny fraction of humanity in control of the world economy, and hence, humanity.

3. The dark faction of the global elites do not really care too much if they crash the planet, and those people have survival enclaves built, and the more ambitious of them have plans to terraform Mars if they make Earth inhabitable. However, not all of them think that way, and most actually favor free energy coming forward, but they are not about to openly defy the dark faction, not yet.

4. The same dark faction has defeated all efforts to bring energy abundance to humanity (and I am talking about tens of thousands of efforts), and the best of the suppressed technologies would bring not only energy abundance to humanity, at levels barely imagined, but they also do it with no environmental impact. Heaven on Earth could easily come from the enlightened implementation of free energy and related suppressed technologies, such as antigravity.

5. I was a key player in several attempts to break through the organized suppression, and it was the education of ten lifetimes. It was a rather rough ride, however, and I don’t want to try that route again; also I saw how easily defeated such efforts were, even though the efforts that I was a part of constitute some of the most “successful” efforts made so far, so we received extra-special suppression treatment, and I will always be recovering from it.

6. I eventually went my own way on the free energy front. My goal was always the same – Heaven on Earth – but my approach to the problem evolved over the years to this “choir” idea that I will be trying to get going before long.

7. I have never heard of anything like it, and it was partly intended to fill a hole that I saw in all free energy efforts – an engaged and aware public – so I have spent all of my “spare” time for the past twenty-plus years since I got my clock cleaned performing the research, writing and editing that became my site today, to begin to fill that gap, as well as several years of full-time effort.

8. I have no idea if what I am intending will work, but it beats watching TV. It has essentially become a lifetime project of mine. I have seen what doesn’t work, and what can wreck and prematurely end lives, and I am going to do my best to steer people away from those deadly reefs, but the orientations of almost all visible aspirants are wrapped up in the technological end of it, which really is not the important part, and they invariably advocate doomed strategies that have literally been tried thousands of times before without success.

9. I strongly doubt that free energy is going to come to the world via coercion, inventor-heroes, capitalist means, or the other approaches that I call Levels 6, 7, 9, 10 and 11 (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level6). I have been a part of several Level 10 efforts, and have watched many others try the other levels, and I am trying for what I call a Level 12 approach, which is rooted in love and comprehensive thinking. None of the paths are easy, not for something that will determine the near-term and possibly long-term fate of humanity and the planet’s ecosphere, but the Level 12 approach is not asking anybody to risk their lives, and all the other levels do, even if it may not seem like it to the casual observer.

That is my primary message and my intention, and we will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have been cramming my noggin lately with a bunch of scientific information. Scientists remark on the problem regularly, about how the scales that they deal with are so foreign to human experience that they can be hard to imagine, whether it is a billionth of a second or a billionth of a meter, when investigating the dynamics of atoms, or a billion years when investigating Earth’s geophysical dynamics, or the mind-boggling idea of light-years when dealing with astronomical investigations.

Like it or not, they are the scales of distance and time that scientists deal with, and it really is challenging to think in terms like that and go about our daily lives. But scientists do it. Just this morning, I was thinking about what I have been asking my readers to do, and it is a similar exercise, but perhaps even more mind-stretching. Abundance has never really been the human experience before:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#abundance

When people have experienced relative abundance, it was never the real thing, because it was always based on burning through finite energy resources, such as the “golden age” of the hunter-gather, as they quickly drove nearly all the large animals on Earth to extinction:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5

or today’s industrial era, where we are burning up fossil fuels about a million times as fast as they were created:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/scarcity.htm#_edn6

The temporary “high” that comes from quickly burning through energy resources is not abundance:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/abund.htm#exuberance

However, the rising standard of living that has come with industrialization points to changes in the human condition that we need more of, such as:

1. The liberation of slaves and women;

2. The end of rank exploitation of children;

3. The rise in literacy.

The energy-rich nations no longer need to exploit their forests the way that poor nations do, but I am all too aware that much of that dynamic has to do with simply exporting environmental devastation to those poor nations. The dynamic has always been about energy scarcity at its root, and my upcoming essay is intended to make that connection very clear. In order for people to understand, they need to have some kind of idea how the world really works, and that means some kind of scientific understanding, and that may be the hard part for most of my readers. In some ways, it will be like trying to imagine those time-and-distance scales that scientists deal with, but what has proven to be the most difficult feat of imagination yet is to simply imagine a world based on abundance, and I mean real abundance. So far, almost nobody on the planet can even imagine it, and if they glimpse it, they immediately bury it in all manner of scarcity-based accoutrements, which means that they have yet to understand.

I don’t know how successful I will be in helping people imagine abundance, but I know that if we can’t even imagine it, we sure aren’t going to pursue it, and I found that that is the greatest triumph of the Global Controllers (AKA, the Big Boys, Godzilla http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#gc). The truly crazy part is that they have had the means for energy abundance for longer than I have been alive, but they use their position to ensure that nobody else on the planet gets any. They have the means for abundance in their hands, but the evil games that they play would be finished if humanity lived in abundance. It can be sanity-threatening to become aware of the how the land really lies, and most who are exposed to the situation fall into the potholes of conspiracism:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#conspiracism

or the various levels of denial that await:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#level1

so that they do not need to face reality, and the reality is that we are all creators and have a hand in this situation, and creators create with love. If we keep our heads stuck in the sand much longer, playing our games of denial and fear, it is going to be game over for the human species, and we will take most of the biosphere with us. To me, that would be an immensely tragic waste of our potential, as well as a crime against Earth and her denizens that will haunt our souls for a very long time, and I am seeing what I can do to shift humanity’s paradigm from one based on scarcity to one based on abundance. If we do, Heaven on Earth could be just around the corner:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

I don’t kid myself that the people capable of that shift today are standing on every street corner. So far, my journey has informed me that such people who might be able to make the leap are less than one-in-a-thousand in the general population, and I am aiming for something far more modest, a mere 0.0001% of the global population.

The Internet is providing me an opportunity to try to find enough of them to form a nugget of heart-centered sentience that just might be able to catalyze the transition to abundance. I don’t know if it will work, but I have to try. The attempt is worth one man’s life, I think, and I have been happy to pay the price, but do not want to become another free energy martyr, and do not want anybody who I influence to become one either. Enough of that blood has already been shed.

We will see how it goes.

Best,

Wade

[WhiteFeather]

Wade, Thank You for all the amazing work you are doing. Your research is fantastic and inspiring to say the least. I hope you accomplish what your intentions are set out for in The FE Field. Im sure you will. The Light is just up ahead. Namaste bro.

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Wade,

Every time I read this I shake my head:

1. The liberation of slaves and women;

2. The end of rank exploitation of children;

3. The rise in literacy.

While I think I understand what you're hinting at (more energy available leading to a higher standard of life), those 3 examples don't really cut it for me.

The liberation of slaves and women has been replaced with "employment". That is still a form of slavery, much more subtle and much more easy to control and manage. Yes, now the master is no longer that obvious, you can see your boss is just as slave as you, but we really still are slaves of energy scarcity. Even you say you use your "free time" to post at Avalon, instead of using your "free time" to go to work. I'd say free humans don't talk about free time (another thing that will go obsolete: free time).

In a sense employment is much worse than slavery because we've been tricked to accept it as "OK", as a "higher standard of living"... I think you will agree that from an abundance point of view that is non-sense.

The end of rank exploitation of children. I guess that has changed a little, but only in highly "developed" countries. Exploitation of children being exported now to the poor countries. So not really "evolved" either. And this gets me to "the rise in literacy"... the perfect tool for Godzilla to trap our minds! Yes, we can read and write, and I got a chance to learn English and be here now, but boy did I have to go through a mountain of conditioning. I really consider myself lucky to have rose my nose out of the books an look around a bit at the real world, or the books they don't tell you about in school.

The rise in literacy is the tool that whipped clear our ability to imagine abundance (or anything else for that matter) and now we are more used to let others to the thinking for us and the imagining. To be told what is possible or not in our dreams. What is OK to dream about. Even in this case we have become consumers and victims, instead of creators.

I think that in a Free Energy world, the 3 concepts you mention above would look so radically different than today, that we could hardly draw a parallel. We did not evolve, we just got more.... refined... more subtle at playing the intellectual games that "We are free and wise"

[Limor Wolf]

Whitefeather, I think that many of the readers of this thread, feel the same way about Wade's work. there is something that just emits the right frequency, and it is fantastic indeed! it is like a magnet that attracts the right flies.

Originally posted by Wade: " I don’t know how successful I will be in helping people imagine abundance, but I know that if we can’t even imagine it, we sure aren’t going to pursue it"

"The attempt is worth one man’s life, I think, and I have been happy to pay the price, but do not want to become another free energy martyr, and do not want anybody who I influence to become one either. Enough of that blood has already been shed."

Wade, your approach, I feel, has many simillarities to that of David Icke, especially on Bill Ryan's 'Brother in arms' video, mainly between 11:30 till 15:00 minutes, but please do not volunteer yourself to be yet another victim of a failing system.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7_lXEATXNgg

What Wade is trying to do here totaly makes sense. this is the way our world really works, although it was hidden from us so far, and we acted like blind drivers on the road, leaving many caualties to lay on the sides, we simply did not know what kind of power we have. The power of creation. But, with a focused awarness and an eagerness to assist our amazing planet in need ,we - the people, can make FE happen. Moreover, a new harmonius way of living is going to transform our human specie and we will embrace our own great potential that we hold within.


"No more wars, no more bloodshed. peace is the word.."

In tribute to Abie natan and the "Voice of peace" ship that anchored in the territorial water between Israel and Lebanon and broadcasted messages of abundance and peace in the duration of 24 years to all the neighboring 'enemy' countries.

In 1993,the government did not allow Abie to broadcast from the shore, after the ship has gained technical problems and financial debts one after the other. In November the same year the ship was sunk off the coast of Ashdod, and its equipment was donated to the 'Voice of Palestine' station in Jericho.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ucCn5Qg-udQ

This dream of a one man has brought a change into the world, and so will ours


Love

~^&*~^&*

Limor

[WhiteFeather]

Posted by Limor (here)
Whitefeather, I think that many of the readers of this thread, feel the same way about Wade's work. there is something that just emits the right frequency, and it is fantastic indeed! it is like a magnet that attracts the right flies.

Originally posted by Wade: " I don’t know how successful I will be in helping people imagine abundance, but I know that if we can’t even imagine it, we sure aren’t going to pursue it"

"The attempt is worth one man’s life, I think, and I have been happy to pay the price, but do not want to become another free energy martyr, and do not want anybody who I influence to become one either. Enough of that blood has already been shed."

Wade, your approach, I feel, has many simillarities to that of David Icke, especially on Bill Ryan's 'Brother in arms' video, mainly between 11:30 till 15:00 minutes, but please do not volunteer yourself to be yet another victim of a failing system.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7_lXEATXNgg

What Wade is trying to do here totaly makes sense. this is the way our world really works, although it was hidden from us so far, and we acted like blind drivers on the road, leaving many caualties to lay on the sides, we simply did not know what kind of power we have. The power of creation. But, with a focused awarness and an eagerness to assist our amazing planet in need ,we - the people, can make FE happen. Moreover, a new harmonius way of living is going to transform our human specie and we will embrace our own great potential that we hold within.


"No more wars, no more bloodshed. peace is the word.."

In tribute to Abie natan and the "Voice of peace" ship that anchored in the territorial water between Israel and Lebanon and broadcasted messages of abundance and peace in the duration of 24 years to all the neighboring 'enemy' countries.

In 1993,the government did not allow Abie to broadcast from the shore, after the ship has gained technical problems and financial debts one after the other. In November the same year the ship was sunk off the coast of Ashdod, and its equipment was donated to the 'Voice of Palestine' station in Jericho.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ucCn5Qg-udQ

This dream of a one man has brought a change into the world, and so will ours


Love

~^&*~^&*

Limor

Love your energy Limor. No pun intended here on this free energy thread. Your a kind and warm soul.

[Melinda]

Thank you for that post Limor, (and thank you White Feather.)

It is as you said it. We have everything we need, we just need to use it.

What your post, and the segment in the Avalon interview, made me think of is the importance of holding the vision and expanding our conscious awareness of our greater potential. Rather than running at obstacles in a way that results in confrontation with someone with superior artillery, we can step beyond the boundaries that are inherent within that old system; step outside of that 'game' (and the limits it wants us to focus on engaging) and instead imagine a more creative foundation for the way we approach what can be done.

On the occasions I mention FE to people I try to tread carefully; to speak with gentle enthusiasm about its potential uses and positive applications. Planting small seeds, with the aim of inspiring their imagination to believe that what they once thought was out of reach, is in fact possible. In those moments when I see the flickering of new thought in their eyes, and the pause during which it takes hold, it is a source of gladness. I wonder, how will it begin to grow? What will they dream of when they sleep? Will it be a world healed by free-energy where they are able to give and live freely, in a spirit of abundance ? And when they awake and walk into the world, how will their energy have shifted after that dream has processed a new breath, a new light, within their system? My efforts are small steps, but then I think of the thousands of others who are imagining these things, and all people they are talking with, and all the many resulting dreams that occur.

Sometimes I get weighed down by what our planet has endured, but then, I also remember she has a breadth of patience unlike anything I can conceive of in a fearful mind. And I believe that every time we hold the vision, share the vision and honour it from the heart (even without words), she hears us and supports.

All the parties who endeavour to centre this thread (I am only 32 pages in so far) are creating something that holds that vision. The vision that we can imagine something greater than our past. And no matter how long it takes, the seeds of a new vision in this thread are part of a change in our world that is creating something deeply healing, vast in its reach, and generous in spirit.

Thank you Limor, and thank you to everyone here for supporting this picture of a healed, loving world that is abundant for all of us.

[CdnSirian]

Posted by Ilie Pandia (here)
Hello Wade,

Every time I read this I shake my head:

1. The liberation of slaves and women;

2. The end of rank exploitation of children;

3. The rise in literacy.

While I think I understand what you're hinting at (more energy available leading to a higher standard of life), those 3 examples don't really cut it for me.

The liberation of slaves and women has been replaced with "employment". That is still a form of slavery, much more subtle and much more easy to control and manage. Yes, now the master is no longer that obvious, you can see your boss is just as slave as you, but we really still are slaves of energy scarcity. Even you say you use your "free time" to post at Avalon, instead of using your "free time" to go to work. I'd say free humans don't talk about free time (another thing that will go obsolete: free time).

In a sense employment is much worse than slavery because we've been tricked to accept it as "OK", as a "higher standard of living"... I think you will agree that from an abundance point of view that is non-sense.

The end of rank exploitation of children. I guess that has changed a little, but only in highly "developed" countries. Exploitation of children being exported now to the poor countries. So not really "evolved" either. And this gets me to "the rise in literacy"... the perfect tool for Godzilla to trap our minds! Yes, we can read and write, and I got a chance to learn English and be here now, but boy did I have to go through a mountain of conditioning. I really consider myself lucky to have rose my nose out of the books an look around a bit at the real world, or the books they don't tell you about in school.

The rise in literacy is the tool that whipped clear our ability to imagine abundance (or anything else for that matter) and now we are more used to let others to the thinking for us and the imagining. To be told what is possible or not in our dreams. What is OK to dream about. Even in this case we have become consumers and victims, instead of creators.

I think that in a Free Energy world, the 3 concepts you mention above would look so radically different than today, that we could hardly draw a parallel. We did not evolve, we just got more.... refined... more subtle at playing the intellectual games that "We are free and wise"

Ilie, I think you're exactly right. Yet -- there are slaves with or without running water and food in the fridge.

Everyday when I turn on my tap I pray that every living being/household will have the hot running water and the food in the fridge and the beautiful garden to nurture their body and soul. I bet you do too.

There is definitely a hierarchy of slaves, and of the educated. Of the non-white males, the women, the children.

I really appreciate the site of Wade's that led me here -- and all the posts on this thread. And this post of yours really got to me.

When I was an employed mom, it felt like child neglect.

When my brilliant child got lost in HS, I told them to test out of there and move on. I figured out the education BS. The child is doing very well now.

And one of my first published writings deals with the exploitation of children, the children down the mines, and their murdered mothers.

Again, I appreciate your post, and all on this thread.

Your post could seem to be a criticism of what Wade wrote, but I know he will get it exactly. The heart behind what you write is clear. Hope I made sense.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Ilie:

Yes, those three things that I referred to, that made you shake your head, are only embryonic baby steps in the direction that an abundance-based reality can go. I think that you know that I am driving at, but let me be more explicit, and this will be a preview of my upcoming essay, so thanks for your input.

Sexual reproduction is an ancient “strategy,” and there is still healthy debate in scientific circles as to why it became so successful. One prominent theory is that sexual reproduction allowed for much quicker genetic adaptation to environmental change (and environmental change includes the changes in other life forms that are interacted with, as all life co-evolves with its environment) in more complex life forms. The simpler life forms have methods of adaption not available to more complex life forms, such as shorter generations. Evolutionary biologists refer to sex in two ways. One is spelled in one of my books as “SEX,” which relates to the intermixing of genes from parents, while the other is spelled “sex,” which refers to you know what. One behavior that has had a profound evolutionary impact is called sexual selection, which means biological traits that have been developed by how life forms choose their mates for SEX. Sexual dimorphism, AKA the tendency for the males and females of a species to be different sizes and shapes, is thought to be the result of sexual selection. Larger males and smaller females is the reality for all great apes, including humans, of course. If you study sexuality in nature, it can be a brutal process. In many species, rape is the primary means of SEX, and the great apes are not immune. In orangutans, gorillas and chimpanzees, sexual coercion greatly defines their social organization. With orangutans, the big males are those that females want to mate with, but most males are actually pretty small, about the size of females, without the dramatic secondary sexual characteristics that the big males have. The females do not prefer the “juvenilized” males, but those males want to mate, too, so they rape the females whenever they can. It turns out that orangutans are the “gentlemen” among the great apes in that they don’t kill the infants. Male chimpanzees and gorillas will eagerly kill infants that they know they did not sire. It is thought to be part of the “selfish gene” dynamic, where every gene wants to reproduce, and the host bodies are just ways to propagate genes. One of the jokes in that field is that a chicken is just a way for an egg to reproduce itself. Whatever the case may be, violent domination by males is a primary social organizing principle amongst the great apes, including humans, except for bonobos.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#bonobo

Bonobos overcame the male penchant for violent domination by sex (spurred by a different economy after gorillas left the area during a global glaciation), and mainly by what we would call lesbian sex, if humans did it. Not only is female-on-female sex the social glue of bonobo society, their societies are female-dominated and almost completely non-violent. Infanticide is greatly reduced in bonobo society, and it is thought to arise from two dynamics: females dominate the society, and the promiscuity of females makes it hard for a male to tell if the offspring is his. Chimpanzee females also have that strategy. There is no doubt among anthropologists that humans, chimpanzees and bonobos have a common ancestor, and studying the apes has been profitable for anthropologists, although the study is really in its infancy. However, anthropologists have seen many clear parallels between human and ape societies, and it has also shed light on “primitive” human organization, which was always male dominated, because of their dimorphic advantages for inflicting violence. The bonobos are the only apes, including humans, where the females have not had a rough ride, and protecting their offspring from males, and getting protection and maternal assistance themselves, has been a female ape goal for millions of years. Infanticide to clear the way for progeny with certain paternity is not unique to apes and monkeys, as predators do it, such as lions.

This abuse of women and children is with us even today, but in our industrialized civilizations, we are much more civil to women and children than at any time in our past, with perhaps the brief exception of the early days of the domestication revolution, when village life and primitive agriculture dominated. Then, the women were able to unite to counterbalance male power, and anthropologists have clearly identified that phase of human civilization, and when Europeans conquered the “primitive” peoples around the world, those at the village-life stage were often matrilineal, with women having a prominent status, although still held to be inferior to men. Anthropologist have never discovered a truly matriarchal society (although mystical information says that it was once so, but there is no physical evidence that has ever been adduced for that claim that I know of), but it is obvious that societies are much nicer for all involved when the predominant dynamic is not males vying for power (although the top-dog males may not like it ). The evidence is that women also had it better in the hunter-gatherer phase than they did in advanced agricultural societies, at least relatively, when compared to males, but hunter-gather civilizations are extremely violent, with a third of the men dying violently, with a likely exception being the “golden age” of the hunter-gatherer, at least while the megafauna lasted (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn5 ). The hunter-gatherer lifestyle has been extolled by various groups, but it is largely a romantic fantasy. Much about them we would find horrifying, and it would support only a few million people on Earth today.

When civilization “advanced” beyond village life, and more intensive and sophisticated cultivation was practiced, society began to become more stratified. Stratification, however, began with the early days of the domestication revolution. As soon as humans had a local and steady energy supply that resulted in a sufficient agricultural surplus, professions developed, and soldiers, priests, craftsman, and royalty appeared, as well as the two most exploited “professionals” on Earth: prostitutes and slaves. Women’s status universally declined with the advent of the stratified civilizations that were sustained by the ability to create an agricultural surplus that could sustain elites. In every single instance where those civilizations arose, whether it was in Mesoamerica, South America along the Andes, China, the Fertile Crescent civilizations, etc., the pattern was the same:

1. Men clawed their way to the top, usually violently;

2. The religion of the day granted them divine status, and was even invented to confer that status;

3. Those men on top engaged in conspicuous economic consumption as a mark of their status, which included harems and monuments to themselves – the lasting monuments were made of stone.

There are no exceptions discovered so far. I was born with a keen imagination, but my Silva training took it to another level ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#silva ), and when studying the many events of my researches, sometimes I felt that I was nearly there, and it was often emotionally devastating to study the early slave trade in the New World, for instance, as Europeans inflicted their genocidal reign (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#charleston ). There are few, if any, stratified civilizations that anthropologists have studied that did not have some form of involuntary servitude. Yes, Ilie, we have it today, too. Taxation is a form of involuntary servitude, and you must know quite well how much I deal with the rackets of capitalism, which are all about exploiting its “customers” (http://www.ahealedplanet.net/other.htm#capitalism ). Exploitation has been a constant in every human civilization for all time, in our world of scarcity. I know of no exceptions, and that is where rich karma can be created!

The reasons put forth for the decline in women’s status with the advent of pre-industrial stratified civilizations are several, but it basically comes down to the fact that in societies with readily exploitable labor, it became important to control the ultimate source of that labor. Women’s reproductive rights were always highly constrained in such societies. It was an economic dynamic above all else, as it was for slaves. Economists have even come up with economic models that predict when slavery made sense and when it didn’t. If you could keep the slaves ignorant, which meant illiterate, and ideally they would be born into slavery and never know anything else, so they would be less likely to desire freedom, then you had a good racket going. What that also meant was that the ideal “occupations” for slavery were in places such as mines and plantations, which did not take great, learned skill, but mainly brute force or mindless drudgery. Those dynamics can be seen throughout history, but were clearly evident in Europe’s rape of the world, as it industrialized on the world’s back. That dynamic may have never been more clear than in my great nation, the USA, but it also predated it.

When the Spanish began raping and plundering the New World ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#first ), they set themselves up as new lords above the peoples they conquered, essentially replacing the native elites. The Spanish rule was so universally brutal, however, and their diseases helped, that they wiped out the very natives that garnered them their wealth. Even the first rapist of the New World, good ol’ Chris Columbus, could see that:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/columbus.htm#realize

So, after centuries of genocide, slavery and dispossession, the elites of thirteen British colonies revolted, as they wanted an empire of their own, and the USA was born, with a little help from the French. But it happened at the dawn of the industrial revolution, and most Founding Fathers of my great nation were slave owners ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#fathers ), and for all their impressive rhetoric about the equality of humanity, almost none of them could be convinced to free their slaves.

As fate would have it, what we call New England today was similar to the homeland in the British Isles (although not deforested yet), and England led the industrialization of humanity, and just across the pond, the Americans were not far behind. Those northern climes, so much like home, were the first to industrialize, and they were the first American colonies to abolish slavery. The southern colonies, however, had the plantation economy that made slavery economically feasible, and in the USA, with its great longevity and healthy conditions as they had not wrecked the soils quite yet, they could breed slaves, for the only place in the Western Hemisphere where it could really be accomplished. If a Southern slave learned to read, it was primarily the Bible, which was full of justifications of slavery, so those literate slaves would still know their place. But rising standards of living brought about by the USA’s quick industrialization (of course, largely accomplished by dispossessing the American Indian) made slavery an increasingly anachronistic institution. By 1860, the USA was nearly alone on the world stage with its institution of slavery, but it would not last long.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#civilwar

But being freed was not exactly the ticket to paradise, and the newly-freed blacks of the South had a hard ride, a hard ride that continues 150 years later ( http://www.ahealedplanet.net/war.htm#blacks ). But there is not a black person alive who would tell you that they would prefer to be a slave. Again, as I studied slavery, there were times when I was overwhelmed by the cruel, inhumane nature of that institution.

Yes, our servitude is only semi-voluntary, but it is infinitely better than being somebody’s property.

Literacy is also a mixed bag, Ilie, and I am not sure who makes that point clearer than I do:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#blinded

but I am old enough to have actually known illiterate people when I was young - poor whites raised in the American South. My heart went out to them, but they were intellectually crippled. In some ways, they were like children, even in old age. Industrialized civilization simply would not have happened without being able to record information. Literacy marks the line between civilization and not. All early civilizations had some way to record information. In Mesoamerica, it was pictographic, and along the Andes, it was the still undeciphered quipu. Early records were mostly counting up the king’s tribute, but it did not end there.

In this world:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

they may be “illiterate” because it was a primitive way of amassing information that they left behind. But until we can climb into their learning beds and quickly learn more about the human body and health than anybody on Earth does today, we are going to be stuck with these imperfect ways of passing along and ingesting information. If we were not literate, you and I would not have met like this, young man, and I am glad that I did. The world’s most illiterate nations are also its poorest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._literacy_rate

Did you know, Ilie, that the idea of childhood is actually a fairly recent innovation in the West, brought about by rising standards of living? If I can’t do free energy and I did not have to work for a living, I would have wanted to be an art historian. Studying European painting makes the way that children were seen clear. Not so long ago, children were painted as miniature adults, not children as we think of them today [update August 2012 - this is an area of relatively recent scholarly debate, with Medieval "childhood" resembling today's childhood more than the Victorian Era hellish existence of children - I will be writing about this issue in the future]. In the pre-industrial world, with the thin agricultural surplus always being vulnerable to vagaries of the weather, with the specter of hunger and starvation rampant, societies were rigidly hierarchical. There was not enough energy to fund freedom:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#_edn5

Those who clawed their way to the top lived in relative opulence (although the average American has a standard of living greater than the world’s richest king of three hundred years ago), and those down the food chain were supposed to know their place, and at the bottom were slaves, women and children. Children were expected to begin their economically productive lives ASAP. There was no such thing as childhood. This whole idea of living as a child, with no responsibilities other than going to school (yes, Ilie, lots of indoctrination happens there http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lies.htm ), making your bed, feeding your pets, and joining the adult world as you actually reached adulthood, is a relatively new phenomenon in human civilization. Heck, child labor laws are only about a hundred years old in the USA, coming after women were liberated and the slaves were freed. In performing the research for my essay, one area of research took me into coal mining. Oh my God! The pictures of children sorting coal with their hands in twelve-hour shifts, or coming out of the mines, where they were small enough to work narrow seams, made London’s chimney sweeps (primarily children, because they were small enough to fit) look like they had it easy. Abusing children in a million ways was just part of those days. Heck, my father was born in the Great Depression:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#kansas

and began working outside the home at age six delivering newspapers, and sold rabbit skins that he raised, and paid for every scrap of clothing that he wore from age six onward, and began paying rent to his father when he was about fifteen. When Dennis turned thirteen, his migrant-farmer father told him that now that he had reached the ripe old age of thirteen, the family could not afford to feed him anymore, and Dennis was on his own:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#dennis

Dennis is only twelve years older than I am. I am a member of the first generation of Americans that actually had what we call a childhood today, and if we don’t solve our energy problems, and fast, the last generation of them may be growing up right now. The brutalities of such “childhoods” are partly why we are such a damaged species, with so many sociopaths in our ranks. A child’s personality is regarded as set by age two or three, if not earlier, and by that age, if they were not held when they cried and treated with unconditional love, the kind that only mothers can really give, they will never be able to trust anybody. Those years are critical for a child’s development, and even our “advanced” societies fall far short of giving them what they really need to grow up in the best way.

Anyway, Ilie, that was a good post, because it spurs me to begin going deep, which my upcoming essay is all about.

Best,

Wade

[Dennis Leahy]

Every so often I just have to stop reading, and offer the one thing I can: thanks. Thank you, Wade, for your indomitable spirit, your articulate and measured views, and most of all for agreeing to be the 'pied piper' of a new compassionate avenue to unleashing human potential through energy abundance. I am truly honored to hang out with you - even just to "cyber-hang out."

:~)

Dennis

[Ilie Pandia]

Hello Wade,

Thanks for the detailed reply. I think I can see the "energy dynamics"

As you know I live in Romania, and in someway we can be considered "less developed" than US. We look advanced because we have become an open market place for US products (made in China).

But when I look around me here, I still see women having a hard time, and children being born to help with the chores or simply to get the social security checks and the literacy is now mostly "watching TV" and playing violent and bloody games. But in relative terms, the life is easier than say 100 years ago, I just think we as a country are much more dumbed down (or numb may be a better world) than 100 years ago.

Bill did an interview recently at the ECETI Ranch, and he described an experience that I have over here. He said that while visiting the US he saw the apparent good life: people laughing, (junk) food being readily available, shopping malls packed with people... Humans thinking they live in paradise (while exporting their problems to the less fortunate countries). He then said that underneath that "happy surface" there was an emptiness and trouble looming, reminding me of one the worlds that Roads visited, where a "happy hologram" and artificial auras were projected over a sick world.

I guess what I am trying to say is that virtually no one will wake up to the potential of Free Energy if they think they live in paradise . Not only that, but they will fight to protect this paradise as they know it

How many really wonder where does their oil comes from? what is its real price? (And I have a feeling that in US most think they deserve that cheap oil and would go to war for it....)

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Quickly, before I go to bed…

It is an honor to interact with you, Dennis.

Hi Ilie, yes, that is one of the big downsides of our more comfortable lives, but it can be different, I think. Yes, the average person just plays the game of survival and waits for the bread and circuses tossed their way. That conditioning that you see is sad and insidious, and more than a little engineered. Computer games are almost all of the shooter variety. I don’t have “free time” ( ) to play computer games (I had to give them up nine years ago), but I long for the days when games like King’s Quest dominated. There is a method to that madness, and it is not easy to go against the flow. The needles in haystacks that I am looking for will always be going against the flow. They are going to be considered freaks by those around them, and that is how it is.

I think it was Ernie who said that people are sold cheap garbage in their educations and told it is the good stuff. Most of what we are taught, in virtually all disciplines, is largely hogwash.

Oh yeah, the USA is a very sick nation. I’ll not argue against that, and Brian O remarked on it in his last years:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#last

We can’t inflict endless genocides on nations that have what we want as we steal it, and not have a bit of cognitive dissonance. The promise and failures of the USA are prodigious. As you can tell at Avalon, most who interact with me are not Americans.

Actually, for somebody who has to live on Earth, my life is hard to beat, but I am pursuing FE, at least in a roundabout way. It is heading toward Hell on Earth, and none of wants to see how bad it can get, but what must inspire the “choir” is the desire to make it Heaven on Earth, not trying to avoid Hell on Earth, although both are lodged into my awareness, and that may not be avoidable.

You are right in that almost nobody thinks where their oil comes from, etc. The problem, at its root, is that we are an egocentric herd animal that has been conditioned by economic scarcity forever. Can we break out into becoming soul-centered, sentient beings whose hearts are awake? Do we really want to? I am trying to find out.

I don’t have time to listen, but did Bill get a UFO show at James’s place?

Beautiful post, CdnSirian.

Going to bed now.

Best,

Wade

[Ilie Pandia]

He did not get an UFO show while on air (phone range too limited), but he did get a show the first time he was to the ECETI ranch. And according to his interview, spectacular shows are the norm there every night. Most frequent visitors don't even bother taking photos any longer

[Limor Wolf]

Interesting to read Your exchange of thoughts Wade and Ilie, which emphasize on both sides of any one situation. Is this modern life that we are living in in this twenty-first century can be considered an advancment? I think the answer is : it is , as well as it isn't.

In terms of comfort and means, yes, we are advancing (on the account of other parts of the world), However, morally wise, we are stuck with the same surivavl mode, unable or unwanting to raise our heads and see what is going on with the neighbor, not to mention even care about it. Human history for the last thousands of years (the homo sapience version) is looking as if it is going somewhere, It is surely far more technologically capable. However, a complete freedom was never on the menu and will never be, unless we will find a way to become more 'holographic' in our nature and les hierarchic.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Limor:

You are zeroing in on one of the primary contentions in my work, which I intend to make very clear in my upcoming essay. Stratified societies have always been rooted in economic scarcity, which is in turn rooted in energy scarcity. This goes back to the dawn of civilization. Urban environments are the product of economic scarcity, which is due to energy scarcity. Cities are mainly energy concentrating devices. With decentralized and democratized free energy, and related technologies that are also suppressed such as anti-gravity and advanced materials and computing technology (with robotics which are probably advanced to a degree that would astonish us), the tools exist to make an economically abundant, environmentally harmless civilization. Urban environments would largely become obsolete.

But scarcity is baked deeply into our societies, in gross and subtle ways. Economic scarcity is so deeply ingrained into people’s psyches that it is like the air they breathe. It took me many years to realize that people were addicted to scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#misinformation

It took me a little longer to realize that all of the dominant ideologies are based on the assumption of scarcity:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/conun.htm#crutch1

With those sick ideologies forming the foundation for virtually all human thought systems, no wonder the world is such a mess, and vices like greed get made over into virtues:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/intro.htm#greed

and people gorge themselves with “comfort” food (AKA sweet and fat foods) if they get a chance, and get doped up on all manner of stimulant. Today, we stand at a branch in the road. We are already well on our way to turning it into Hell on Earth, but I found that that is almost entirely because people think that there is no viable alternative to rape-and-plunder economics (the zero-sum-game assumption). Well, I know that there is. Again, I do not consider these two possible futures to be fantasy:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

and have spent a long time pondering them. The denizens of the first chose greed and indifference, and live in a nightmare world. The other chose love, and a Disney cartoon could not do it justice. We can start heading toward that heavenly world today, if enough of us woke up, discarded our scarcity-based conditioning and dared to imagine abundance. I know from many years of experience that almost nobody can currently do it. Not many even want to, as they have dug into their niches of hell and won’t budge. I strongly suspect that they will only begin to wake up when free energy is delivered to their homes, the Ascended Masters show up, or the ETs land on the White House lawn. I am not waiting for some hero to come save the day, but am looking for those needles in haystacks who are brave enough to let go of their conditioning and simply imagine abundance. That is far harder than it might appear at first glance. I have almost never seen anybody achieve it. When they get a glimpse of it, it actually frightens them, because at some level they know that the world as they know it will end, so they prefer the devil they know. You may have to see it to believe it, but my fellow travelers and I had it rubbed in our faces for many years. It is not fun to admit the truth, but it can set us free and prevent us from wasting our time, operating from false assumptions of how everybody just wants to make the world a better place. Most don’t, not really. They are just trying to survive in their niches of hell. If free energy was delivered to their homes, might they start to wake up? I think it is possible, and that is probably the big experiment that I am trying to perform.

Thanks Ilie. My first show was good enough for me!

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/ufo.htm#call

Best,

Wade

[Melinda]

Posted by CdnSirian (here)
Ilie, I think you're exactly right... ...Again, I appreciate your post, and all on this thread.

I totally agree CdnSirian. I'm only a third of the way through this thread (which is reconfiguring on many levels for me) and every post is giving me further insight, many times making me question things I hadn't thought to previously. Thank you everyone.

[Lifebringer]

I plan on getting off the grid at least as far as my pc, but buying a solar bookbag charger that will take me off for the long hrs of the day during peek hrs. I will also consider perhaps two or three of them to power other equipment. Some of them can store a lot of power for up to 16 hrs. A biofuel generator and a bookbag, just may be the future besides a camping grill or two. I fish and can grow and store dry goods, so might as well save a few hundred per year, and stop giving Dominion Virginia Power all my hard earned loot. They didn't convert to the solar power or wind with 30 years of tax breaks, so I guess they have no intention of doing so. WE the people must reject their pollution devices, and network our power/energy inventions and market them ourselves. Self sufficiency and efficiency is the goal.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Before I go to work…

Hi Lifebringer:

This is a different conversation than about getting off the grid, although I certainly understand the sentiment. The electric companies wrecked my life, and it causes a special kind of pain when I write my monthly check to the very same company that ran us out of town in 1986:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#run

But this thread is not about the electric companies, other than making them all obsolete, as well as the oil, coal and gas companies, and nuclear reactors. That is my game.

OK everybody, on the subject of civilizations, there are two primary theories of why people invented civilization and stay in them. These two theories go back to the Classic Greeks and Confucius. The first is that civilization provides benefits that dispersed people cannot. The agricultural surplus allowed humans to begin to develop other skills than procuring food, and professions developed. Humanity’s collective skillset increased, and material benefits accrued that uncivilized life could not provide. The other theory is that the concentrated wealth that civilization provided was not enough for everybody, so the greedier, cleverer, and most power-hungry could indulge their predilections and get in control and become elites. Those dynamics are still relevant.

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/hooked.htm#theories

All civilization came about by the ability to generate excess energy to support people who did not spend their energy procuring food. As agricultural surpluses grew due to improving technology and techniques, urban centers could grow. At a certain level, the elites could indulge their aspirations, and they had the religion of the day designate them as divine rulers, and they set about commandeering the local labor to create what anthropologists call monumental architecture. The monumental architecture always had the aggrandizement of the elites as its primary purpose, whether they were lavish tombs, the commemoration of battle victories, or the representation of natural “deities,” such as the sun, but the elites were the mortal representatives of those divine entities, and their lavish graves were primarily about reinforcing their divine status with the commoners. Even in a secular state like the USA, the president is treated like royalty, with his own jet airliner and a tremendous retinue.

With free energy, there is enough energy for everybody, and with all the other suppressed technologies that I am aware of, urban environments largely become obsolete. The point of this post is that when I mention this, my sophisticated city-dweller friends and relatives immediately leap to false conclusions. They think that we would all become isolated hillbillies. That is definitely not what I am referring to, but that is typical of the kinds of knee-jerk reactions that I constantly encounter. With the technologies that I am aware of today, some even in the public domain, such as our global communication infrastructure, that I am using with this post (), nobody needs to live in a city to obtain the benefits of civilization. The world can look like this:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post330505

Today, I live in an urban environment where I rub shoulders with the world’s richest man (at least officially! )

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/lessons.htm#gates

and out my office window, way up in the air in my skyscraper, I can see majestic mountains that I am going to hike in this afternoon, in the incredible spring foliage. I attached a picture from one of last week’s hikes. That waterfall that you see in that photo can’t be seen except from the trail. My friend and I owned it last Saturday morning.

As glorious as it is (my favorite hiking mountain is less than fifteen miles from my home, and it is in the background of the second picture attached, in the distance - I can easily walk to that lake from my house), polls of people who live here make it clear that everybody would rather live in a pastoral setting, but have access to urban amenities. That was the whole point of suburbia. But with free energy and related technologies, the entire paradigm would shift. Not only would all of the scarcity-based ideologies quickly become obsolete:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/paradigm.htm#dominant

what we today call “civilization” would quickly be seen as barbaric living, even for the world’s richest man. Just as the average American lives at a far higher standard of living than Earth’s richest king of three hundred years ago, the average person in an FE-based society would live at far higher levels that Bill Gates does. Gates does not flaunt his wealth and status, which is one of the refreshing aspects of the high tech revolution, but in an FE-based civilization, the idea of elites becomes obsolete. In that hellish world that Roads visited, even though they were technologically-advanced, they certainly did not have FE available (the suppression of abundance-based technologies was still happening there) and had elites who lived like gods, unless you peeled away the veneer, like Roads’s mentor did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roadsblade

The heavenly world actually had urban environments, but they were highly integrated with nature, and I’ll bet that nobody spent any time commuting to “work” in traffic jams, being cooped up in nature-less cities, and the rest of today's urban life. They could visit the “wilderness” in an instant, or their farms, or their schools, and they had a symbiosis with nature that is frankly beyond the most vivid imaginings of any of us on Earth today. Roads only glimpsed that world, and it was all made possible because people chose love:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/visions.htm#roads1

As some have stated, ideas like “free” and “abundance” probably had little meaning in that world, because “not-free” and scarcity did not exist to compare it to, so concepts like money, free, scarce, abundant, hierarchical, elites, and even fear pretty much went away, or in order to experience and understand them, you had to visit other realities. I like to think that those people had ready access to those other realities, and memories of how it was before their Heaven-on-Earth days. It was not at the forefront of their minds, not by any means, but the information was available whenever they wanted it, to show them what fear and scarcity were like. The denizens of those realities chose them for reasons (like everybody on Earth today ), but the lessons can be learned and we can move beyond them, which is really what I am attempting to do, if we get right down to the nub of the matter. Without the means to abundance, which is abundant and clean energy above all else, we aren’t going to get there. But with humanity’s inertia, that is baked by thousands of years of scarcity, and the organized suppression of the hyper-elites, who can only see their position disappearing, and the most powerful of them would rather destroy the planet rather than lose their perceived “power” (and even the Left says that http://www.ahealedplanet.net/cover-up.htm#jfk), it is no easy trick to get us moving in that direction. The lone rangers of FE have proven to be easily picked off, one-at-a-time, no matter how noble their intentions. I was partners with the greatest of them that I ever saw or heard of, so that entire path sure seems like a dead-end in the current environment, and I found that virtually everybody who disagrees with me has zero experience on the high road, where billion dollar bribes, murder attempts, and prisons stints comprise the daily reality.

I eventually decided to try a different path, one that could fill a huge gap that I saw in all efforts (an aware and engaged public), and I am doing what I can to amass that nugget of heart-centered sentience that just might be able to help make it happen, and my site comprises baby steps in that direction, as do my Avalon efforts. The big effort is ahead of me, but after I lay my egg of an essay, it really will be up to the rest of the world to begin to understand the issues and do the work to achieve the level of awareness that might be able to make a dent (although I will try mightily to help, everybody who is going to get there needs to do the work – nobody can do it for them), especially if we can unite our awareness on a common goal, and not out of fear and herd-consciousness – that is the old way. The new way will be based on love and a comprehensive awareness of how our world really works, not the delusions of our indoctrination and conditioning. That has never been seen before on Earth, although the ideals of the so-called New Age point to that direction, but today’s version is a sad spectacle:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/purpose.htm#newage

It is time for the species to grow up and claim its sentience. Anything less will likely spell our doom. Mine is certainly not the only game in town, but I do not know of another like it, which is why I am doing it. It is an experiment whose outcome is not yet decided, and it will be up to all of us to see how it turns out.

Best,

Wade

[David Hughes]

Hey Wade,

Nice pictures. Good to see you out of the office enjoying nature again!

One of the things I notice most when living in big cities like the one I’m in now is how grim the majority buildings look. High rise apartment buildings, high rise office blocks, and cranes dominate the skyline. With high energy costs you get high production and construction costs. Projects using energy intensive high tech raw materials become too expensive to use large scale because they eat away at profit margins. Integrating construction with nature is little more than a nice idea.

I found these charts from Cambridge University showing the relationship between the cost of a raw material, and the energy needed to make it:

http://www-materials.eng.cam.ac.uk/m...ost/basic.html

The ‘cheap, mid-high energy’ boxes are empty. FE obviously alters the charts so that materials currently of high expense due to their high energy requirements become cheap or even free to produce. Everything shifts to the Y-axis.

When energy is a limiting factor in design and construction, and profit is the sole motivation, all you are gonna ever end up with is an abundance of the kind of buildings that we have today. With energy no longer a limiting factor you are then able to design buildings using whatever materials you wish. Advanced robotics and silent technology powered by FE could replace all of our existing limited technology. Cranes limited by the amount of weight they can move disappear with FE. 1000+ ton stones like the one at Baalbek could be lifted and transported as if they were feathers. I imagine FE powered technology being able to cut through rock with the same ease that a cheese wire cuts through cheese. It would become feasible to construct Pyramids with FE.

It boggles my mind that guys like Trombly have risked their lives in pursuit of FE, have survived numerous murder attempts, and then after all their efforts still have to resort to installing solar panels on their houses. I think I recall you saying that it pained O’ Leary to have to pump gas into his car and I read above about your pain when writing cheques to the electric company. Energy austerity on a massive scale isn’t practical, nor is it the answer to this system of scarcity, but there is no harm in reducing one’s consumption of electricity and fuel wherever possible. As long as we are living in this matrix we are going to be using some form of scarcity based energy either directly or indirectly. Even those that live off the grid still wear clothes, read books, use materials, and may eat certain packaged foods that all required energy derived from fossil fuels or nuclear plants to produce.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Tyler:

Nice charts on the energy consumption used to make materials. I have written about it a few times that many exotic materials are also under wraps, and wrote about some of what I know about that awhile back on this thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ll=1#post92348

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ials#post93747

With FE and the kind of world that I know can come from it, all materials would be radically different than what we see today. Most materials would be on the high end of those scales and beyond. I think that I mentioned it in my interviews with Scott that the exotic materials are likely energy intensive, which is part of the problem. Also, with FE and related technologies, nothing would obtained by disturbing the ecosphere. For mining raw material, we would likely mine asteroids and other bodies in the solar system. Brian O was an early advocate of that:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#oneill

One big asteroid could provide literally all of humanity’s material needs forever, and if there is ore needed from Earth, a relatively tiny hole could be made in the surface, and a much larger one below to mine it out. Because all elements are useful, there would be no mining waste, and the hole could be filled with parts of an asteroid, or what was gathered from the rocky planets or rocky moons. These are all early-stage musings. If the goal was material abundance for humanity at no cost to the biosphere and a respect for Earth, it would be easy to figure out the ideal solutions, and even fun. Human civilization would look nothing like it does today, and nobody would be making loincloths out of tree bark, that’s for sure. Cedar bark was used for clothing where I live, a couple hundred years ago.

I have not written it at Avalon before, but when so-called “primitive” hunter-gatherer tribes have encountered civilized peoples, it is not exactly like those movies of the noble savages. There are many instances of the “advanced” peoples wiping out the “primitive” ones, with what Europe did to the world’s natives in its age of “discovery” and “settlement” being the ultimate example:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/america.htm#before

but studies of today’s hunter-gatherers, or the extinct ones that left remains that can be studied, have yielded a great deal of data that calls into question the noble savage archetype. Their tools for hunting became useful for killing humans competing for energy resources (AKA food), and hunter-gatherer societies were often brutal. There was no welfare state – only the strong survived. They were proportionally more violent than today’s world, with around a third of the males dying, usually in skirmishes with other groups. A truly peaceful hunter-gather society has never been found. Wrangham and Peterson’s Demonic Males is a good place to start.

But I sat down to make a post that was a little different, but your post is a nice segue to it. I have been reading plenty of White Science lately, and am reading LaViolette’s fringe stuff right now. In the past several years, I have been reading a great deal of material on evolution, molecular biology, geology, anthropology and the like. I have been hearing about Atlantis since I was a teenager, and have been told that I helped wreck it, and have a bunch of “lost civilization” books and that kind of esoterica. In my old age, I have become increasingly skeptical of claims of technologically-advanced civilizations that vanished, or what we see in “primitive” civilizations and their advanced stonework. I am not saying that there weren’t any, but the evidence is slim, and if there were, they sure did not leave traces like any other human society ever studied. Maybe those civilizations were not quite in this dimension. I don’t know, but there is a great deal about lost continents or lost civilizations that sure don’t square with the evidence, or evidence that you would expect if true, that is simply not there.

Some of those are the tales of Atlantis and Lemuria, in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans. Since the theory of plate tectonics came onto the scene, and the current understanding of how the continents formed, it becomes really hard to believe that lost continents once existed. Continents are the result of heavy volcanic rocks getting hydrated with ocean water and eventually becoming so light that they float on Earth’s crust. The granites of the continents are lighter than the volcanic basalts, which is why the continents float. They have been constantly growing, too. Under the oceans, in the middle of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, in particular, are mountain ranges where volcanoes rip the crust’s seams. Those volcanoes are on the edge of the tectonic plates, and that upwelling from the mantle, of which the volcanoes are one of the manifestations, add to the plates and spread them towards the continents that bound the oceans. Those plates cool off and sink as they move toward the continents, and those plates sink as they meet the continents. They are called subduction plates, and they ring the Pacific in particular, and subduction plates cause the biggest earthquakes, such as the recent Indonesian and Japan quakes. So, upwelling in the mid-oceans, subduction of the growing plates under the continents where the hydrated plates are recycled, which end up with volcanoes that produce lighter rock, so the continents continue to grow.

Those are well-established dynamics, and the slow movement of the continents is easily measured, and by measuring the magnetic alignment of lava rocks, geologists can tell the rocks’ orientation to Earth’s magnetic fields, and tell what its position was on Earth when the lava formed. Those processes that produce mountain ranges are unique in our solar system, and landmarks like the Emperor Seamount chain, of which the Hawaiian islands are merely the latest in the 80 million years of volcanic island formation, as Earth’s crust has moved over a “hot spot” in the mantle, gives solid evidence of very long-term geological processes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Seamounts

The movement of the hot spot can be measured, and it correlates with the timeframe of movement and the dating of the volcanoes. It is an example of several lines of independent evidence converging to produce the picture seen today. Given what is known of these geological processes, disappearing continents seem highly unlikely. But if those lost continents happened in another dimension or a parallel Earth, it would be easier to understand.

There is a mountain of other evidence that also weighs against the idea of lost continents or technologically-advanced ancient civilizations. One thing is for sure if they really existed in our dimension: they acted nothing like the human race as we know it. The human journey has been altering ecosystems from the beginning, beginning when our ancestors learned to control fire, which may have been millions of years ago, although the standard view today is that they learned it “only” several hundred thousand years ago:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/upcoming.htm#_edn4

Wherever humans have appeared in the past 50,000 years, the large animals quickly went extinct. Also, humans brought along their own animals in the domestication phase, which became invasive species and often thrived in the new environs, where they had no natural predators or could take advantage of plants and animals that had no defense against them. So, if Lemuria or Atlantis really existed on this plane, they did not appear to introduce any of their plants and animals anywhere else on the planet, even accidentally. They were either fastidious in ways that we can barely imagine, they did not exist on our plane, or they never visited any other parts of the planet.

Take New Zealand, for instance. They shot The Lord of the Rings there, partly because of the incredible scenery to be had there. With the dynamics of plate tectonics, it is now thought that New Zealand was isolated from all other land masses for tens of millions of years. Australia and South America had marsupials and other animals that were decidedly different than the mammals that dominated the other continents, such as the platypus. South America was joined to North America a few million years ago, and the North American animals ended up dominating South American ecosystems, such as elephants invading. The marsupials were the big losers in that land bridge forming, but one marsupial, the opossum, did OK and migrated to North America.

Because birds can fly across oceans, New Zealand and the Pacific islands were dominated by birds, and it became quite spectacular in New Zealand. Birds occupied all the ecological niches taken up by mammals and other classes of animals on the continents. The world’s largest bird, the Moa, lived there. The giant Moa stood twelve feet tall and laid several pound eggs. Its only predator was the world’s largest eagle.

They disappeared in about a century after the arrival of the Maoris, as did dozens of other bird species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._animals#Birds

When Europeans arrived several centuries later, the ecosystems had been altered beyond recognition. The Maoris brought domesticated animals with them during their Polynesian expansion, mainly, but unintended animals also came with them, rats in particular, and rats ended up helping to drive many species to extinction, including the huge palms trees that greeted the original settlers of Easter Island. Rats are an example of an invasive species that was wildly successful and ended up wiping out many native species (eating bird eggs was another way that they wreaked havoc). So, in New Zealand, there is no evidence of disruptive invasive species before the Maoris arrived. So, the Atlanteans and Lemurians either never visited or had zero impact, for the first humans to ever travel that lightly. Also, they traveled so lightly that they left no trace of their existence, other than highly conjectural interpretations of ancient writings and artifacts such as crystal skulls. If there were highly-advanced cultures and they lived for long on Earth, it is hard to imagine that they would have stayed in one place, as is theorized by LaViolette and others. The Nile provided the ancient world’s most reliable food source, with the annual silt deposited by the Nile, and the irrigation water that it provided. Only a pre-industrial civilization would be so dependent on a river like the Nile, and the fringe theories that have dated Egyptian civilization to tens of thousands of years old have some pretty large issues to overcome to make a convincing case. From what I have seen, the evidence is very thin, and a great deal of it rests on the monumental architecture, and it is not confined to Egypt, but all over the world.

The monumental architecture across the world nearly invariably glorified the elites of those civilizations. What survived was made of stone. Most of the theorizing that it was all made with advanced technology is rooted in disbelief that ancient people could cut the stone, move it, and place it so precisely. But there is a great deal of that kind of precise stonework in preindustrial and pre-metal-smelting societies. Hughe once posted a clip on some:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post429757

and there is far more. The Romans had cement quality that was not equaled again in the West until the industrial era, which is one reason why their ruins have lasted so long. The real objection to the stonework being performed by primitive peoples is how they could cut it without technology similar to today’s. In Egypt, there are pictographs on how they did some of it. Scientists are indeed impressed with the stonework found across the world, and there is still mystery about how some of it was accomplished, but call me skeptical that anybody needs to invoke alien or Atlantean technology in order to accomplish it. All manner of artifact has been discovered in graves, even going back to flowers in Neanderthal graves, many metal artifacts have survived quite well in graves, and those made of glass, shells, etc. No grave good has ever been discovered that I heard of that had something really out of place in it, that would have pointed to advanced technology, advanced beyond what the era would have provided. When fringe archeologists aver that they have found 200,000 year old advanced civilization ruins, and so on, the findings never quite hold up. The “skeptics” don’t always play fair; I have had too much experience with them:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest

But their hack jobs are easy to deconstruct, in my experience. But for many claims of ancients advanced civilizations, the evidence just does not line up, and as I have been diving into a lot of “White Science,” I have seen it add up over the years to where the lines of evidence just doesn’t support these alternative narratives, even vaguely. They make for good speculation, but they are just that. There is a ton of circus and distraction out there that takes the focus off of what is important, here, and now. There is no arguing against the fact that we are trashing the biosphere at unprecedented rates, and those chickens are beginning to come home to roost. That is the big stuff. The rest really does not mean a whole lot, not in the big picture.

When fringe claims are backed up with technology that achieves the “impossible,” such as Rife’s and Naessens’s microscopes:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#rife

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/medicine.htm#naessens

or demonstrations of FE technology, as Sparky and Adam did:

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/brianmem.htm#sweet

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/...gy-part-1.html

then they have something worth paying attention to, and they all had very rough rides because of their technologies.

There is plenty of mystery in the world, Godzilla is real and plenty is being covered up, but in these fringe circles, disinformation is continually recycled, like with the moon landings:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...010#post478010

Discernment is greatly needed. We really need to get past the circus and distraction if we are going to get anywhere on the “fringes,” energy is the keystone resource of life on Earth and the world economy, and it has always been that way. Until we get that one resolved, the rest won’t matter.

Best,

Wade