This World - Spain's Stolen Babies ..Trafficked By The Catholic Church for decades..

[Cidersomerset]

I caught a glimpe of this documentry yesterday morning 5.30 am on BBC as I was getting
ready for work.I put the tele on as I get ready for a weather and news update,even
if it is mainstream .( You have to listen to devil sometimes.LOL )...

Anyway this showed me how easy it was for 'establishment organisations' to traffick babies/children,
It has always gone on and still does in third world countries as
poverty drive families to do extreme things. Shows how easy it is to do this under
the right conditions...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJJ7Pp_Zvvs

Just like Obama their Birth certifates were tampered with....Lawyers estimate as
many as 300,000 were trafficked since the end of the Spanish civil war in 1939.
The Catholic churh were the main culprits willing to do the work of Franco.....

This is another reminder of what Fascist NWO states do to opponants...

Its a sad and emotional film , with a glimmer of hope as Randy from Texas
stolen and sold as a baby, is contactected by a Spanish girl who thinks he
maybe his brother I won't say how it turns out...This is a touching film
and reminds us of the 'Evil' people are able to get away with in positions
trust and power....

[panopticon]

Thanks for posting this Cid.
I've watched about 5 minutes but have to do something else so will try to watch it tomorrow (after it downloads).
Kind Regards,
Panopticon

[Cidersomerset]

BBC NEWS MAGAZINE

18 October 2011 Last updated at 10:31

Spain's stolen babies and the families who lived a lie

By Katya Adler BBC News, Spain

Manoli Pagador recalls her first-born child being taken away
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Spanish society has been shaken by allegations of the theft and trafficking of thousands of babies by nuns, priests and doctors, which started under Franco and continued up to the 1990s.

I first met Manoli Pagador in Getafe, in a working-class suburb of Madrid. She was attending a meeting for people affected by the scandal Spaniards call "ninos robados" - stolen children.

She has three daughters and lots of grandchildren, but she has never got over the loss of her first-born - a son - nearly 40 years ago.

She had come to think she was crazy for believing he was alive, instead of dead and buried as hospital doctors had told her.

"Now," she said, gripping my hand tightly. "Look around the room at the other women here. All like me. The same background. The same experience. I'm not mad and my family finally believes me."
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Spain's stolen babies

How many? More than 900 cases are being investigated, but new cases are still coming to light - lawyers say the total could reach 300,000
How long? Over a period of 40-50 years, beginning under Franco, up to the 1990s
Who benefited? Initially the Fascists by bringing up the children of their enemies - later children were taken from parents judged to be morally or economically deficient and placed with approved Catholic, often childless, families
Why did it take so long to expose? The Church and medical profession are highly respected, and Spanish law does not require the biological mother's name on the birth certificate

In 1971 Manoli, who was 23 at the time and not long married, gave birth to what she was told was a healthy baby boy, but he was immediately taken away for what were called routine tests.

Nine interminable hours passed. "Then, a nun, who was also a nurse, coldly informed me that my baby had died," she says.

They would not let her have her son's body, nor would they tell her when the funeral would be.

Did she not think to question the hospital staff?

"Doctors, nuns?" she says, almost in horror. "I couldn't accuse them of lying. This was Franco's Spain. A dictatorship. Even now we Spaniards tend not to question authority."

The scale of the baby trafficking was unknown until this year, when two men - Antonio Barroso and Juan Luis Moreno, childhood friends from a seaside town near Barcelona - discovered that they had been bought from a nun. Their parents weren't their real parents, and their life had been built on a lie.

Juan Luis Moreno discovered the truth when the man he had been brought to call "father" was on his deathbed.
Antonio Barroso and Juan Luis Moreno Antonio Barroso and Juan Luis Moreno took their story to the papers - and opened the floodgates

"He said, 'I bought you from a priest in Zaragoza'. He said that Antonio had been bought as well."

The pair were hurt and angry. They say they felt like two dogs that had been bought at a pet shop. An adoption lawyer they turned to for advice said he came across cases like theirs all the time.

The pair went to the press and suddenly the story was everywhere. Mothers began to come forward across Spain with disturbingly similar stories.
'Approved families'

After months of requests from the BBC, the Spanish government finally put forward Angel Nunez from the justice ministry to talk to me about Spain's stolen children.

Asked if babies were stolen, Mr Nunez replied: "Without a doubt".

"How many?" I asked.

"I don't dare to come up with figures," he answered carefully. "But from the volume of official investigations I dare to say there were many."

Lawyers believe that up to 300,000 babies were taken.

The practice of removing children from parents deemed "undesirable" and placing them with "approved" families, began in the 1930s under the dictator General Francisco Franco.

At that time, the motivation may have been ideological. But years later, it seemed to change - babies began to be taken from parents considered morally - or economically - deficient. It became a money-spinner, too.

The scandal is closely linked to the Catholic Church, which under Franco assumed a prominent role in Spain's social services including hospitals, schools and children's homes.

Nuns and priests compiled waiting lists of would-be adoptive parents, while doctors were said to have lied to mothers about the fate of their children.

The name of one doctor, Dr Eduardo Vela, has come up in a number of victim investigations.

Dr Vela is confronted with the allegations

In 1981, Civil Registry sources indicate that 70% of births at Dr Vela's San Ramon clinic in Madrid were registered as "mother unknown".

This was legal under Spanish law, and was meant to protect the anonymity of unmarried mothers. It is alleged that this was also widely used to cover up baby theft and trafficking.

Dr Vela stands accused of telling women their babies had died when they had not and handing over those newborn children to other couples for cash.

A Spanish magazine published photographs of a dead baby kept in a freezer at the San Ramon clinic, supposedly to show mothers that their child had died.

He refused to give the BBC an interview. But, by coincidence, I had recently given birth at a clinic he founded, so I was able to book an appointment with him.

We met at his private practice in his home in Madrid. The man painted as a monster in the Spanish media was old and smiley, but his smile soon disappeared when I confessed to being a journalist.

Dr Vela grabbed a metal crucifix which had been standing on his desk. He moved towards me brandishing it in my face. "Do you know what this is, Katya?" he said. "I have always acted in his name. Always for the good of the children and to protect the mothers. Enough."

Dr Vela insists he always acted within the law.
Empty graves

After Franco's death in 1975, the major political parties agreed an amnesty to help smooth the transition to democracy.
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Juan Luis Moreno as a baby with his adoptive parents

This World: Spain's Stolen Babies, BBC Two, 9pm, Tuesday 18 October
Assignment, BBC World Service Radio, 3rd November

But this amnesty law has never been repealed, so attempts to investigate Spain's baby trafficking as a national crime against humanity have been rejected by the country's judiciary and resisted by its politicians.

"Thirty-five years have passed since the death of the dictator… Evidently, we still have problems from the past. Social problems and personal or even cultural problems and the policy of this government has been trying to solve them," says the justice ministry's Angel Nunez.

The Spanish government's refusal to set up a national inquiry into the scandal has frustrated affected families, who in many cases are carrying out their own investigations, as best they can.

Babies' graves have been dug up across the country for DNA-testing. Some have revealed nothing but a pile of stones, while others have contained adult remains.

Spaniards have flocked to clinics to take DNA tests in the hope of reuniting their families.

The first few matches have now been made between so-called stolen children and their biological mothers. But there could potentially have already been so many more. Data protection laws prohibit DNA banks from sharing or cross-referencing data and the Spanish government has yet to fulfil its promise to set up a national DNA database.

Manoli Pagador is still tortured by the events of 40 years ago. She told me she has been taking medication ever since.

"You can't just say to yourself, I have to forget it and that's it.

"It's not something you forget, it's with you for the rest of your life."

Katya Adler investigates in This World: Spain's Stolen Babies on BBC Two at 2100BST on Tuesday 18 October and on Assignment on BBC World Service Radio on 3rd November. Watch (UK only) or listen online afterwards at the above links.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15335899

[InTheBackground]

I lived in Zaragoza from 1971-1973, just a short distance up the street from the borders of an old monastery. Took an apricot from one of the trees that lined the entrance route and was chased away by a monk with an old rake, LOL. I was only 6, how was I to know it was wrong?

I feel for these poor women, and the poor people who are discovering what they thought was the truth of their origin is in fact a lie. What a tragedy to have to live through, on all sides.

[Molope]

I have seen several TV programs talking about this and it hard to see it.Mothers loosing their children and the reason the medics said was the baby died but she coundnt see it and the reality was that those babies were being sold to another families or who knows what more things.Nowadays theres an strong movement to know the truth about all of that and only a few people have found their REAL family its kinda hard to investigate because it seems that also the Goverment was involved somehow i heard.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Molope it is a very sensitive subject for all the victims and their relitives ...In this case Spain but these kind of scandals
have been happening all around the world.Katya Adler the journalist does a good job presenting these criminal abuses.
It is a hard watch and still many unaswered questions to be asked !!

[seko]

These 300,000 stolen children is only in Spain, imagine the other countries around the world..... unbelievable and sad at the same time.

[Snowbird]

This is one country of 196 countries globally, whose people have lost an estimated 300,000 babies within a few decades. We as global citizens have to ask ourselves, how many other countries have experienced this same type of loss and for how long has this been happening?

The sweet people in this documentary have suffered and will continue to suffer whether they locate each other and discover family ties or whether they continue seeking and searching for those who were stolen. There exists sweet sorrow at each end of these situations.

This is the type of information that we have to brace ourselves for into the future. Those who are awake and aware will be able to weather this information storm more easily than those who are now waking up because of this information storm.

[Cidersomerset]

Davide Ick was talking about the missing Children from around the world and how many end up victim to the satanic
elites on the Red ice interview I put up.It is frightening how these evil cabals operate, whether with co operation of
the establishment and state or not as in the Holly Gregg case of 'Establishment abuse' and the incaseration of
journalist Richard Green, by said establishment in the cover up of justise.

As the spanish journalist in the film said in 1982 when he exposed the dead babies in the freezer. Nothing was done
the Spanish authorities covered it up...Sad

[Earth Angel]

between this and what the church did to the Natives in the residential schools in Canada,the church has a lot to answer for......its time for the church to come down, they are the opposite of everything they teach us as children in catechism.......truth means nothing, honour means nothing......do not kill, do not hurt, do not steal...... in their world they do everything they tell us is a sin.

[Cidersomerset]

Its worse Earth Angel...I litterly just found this, it looks like a 2009 case but is on todays site
must be a update....

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The Mail on line ....Sunday, May 20 2012 6PM

Revealed, six decades of 'ritual' child abuse: Catholic schools and orphanages damned in report

Abuse was 'endemic' in childrens' institutions
Safety of children in general was not a consideration
No abusers will be prosecuted
Victims banned from launch of shocking report

Church leaders and government watchdogs covered up 'endemic' and 'ritualised' abuse of thousands of children in Roman Catholic schools and orphanages in the Irish Republic, a shocking report revealed yesterday.

For six decades, priests and nuns terrorised boys and girls in the workhouse-style schools with sexual, physical and mental abuse.
Enlarge Kevin Flannigan, right, and John Kelly, left, from the group Survivors of Child Abuse, protest at not being allowed into the launch of the long-awaited Child Abuse Commission report at the Conrad Hotel Dublin today



Kevin Flannigan, right, and John Kelly, left, from the group Survivors of Child Abuse, protest at not being allowed into the launch of the long-awaited Child Abuse Commission report at the Conrad Hotel Dublin

But officials in Ireland's Catholic Church shielded paedophile staff from arrest to protect their own reputations despite knowing they were serial attackers, according to the 2,600-page report, which took nine years to complete.

Irish government inspectors also failed to stop the chronic beatings, rape and humiliation, it found.
Justice Sean Ryan launches the report at the Conrad Hotel in Dublin today - but refused to take questions from journalists

Justice Sean Ryan launches the report at the Conrad Hotel in Dublin today - but refuses to take questions from journalists

About 35,000 children and teenagers who were orphans, petty thieves, truants, unmarried mothers or from dysfunctional families were sent to Ireland's network of 250 Church-run industrial schools, reformatories, orphanages and hostels from the 1930s up until the early 1990s.

The report by Ireland's Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse found 'a climate of fear, created by pervasive, excessive and arbitrary punishment, permeated most of the institutions and all those run for boys'.

It added: 'Children lived with the daily terror of not knowing where the next beating was coming from.'

Judge Sean Ryan, who chaired the commission, said that when confronted with evidence of sex abuse, religious authorities responded by moving the sex offenders to another location, where in many instances they were free to abuse again.

'There was evidence that such men took up teaching positions sometimes within days of receiving dispensations because of serious allegations or admissions of sexual abuse,' the report said.

'The safety of children in general was not a consideration.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vQolNdzf


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1vQoMShVh

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=On9lVSBDU3o

Its a discrace and what happens to the Guilty Clergy 'nothing'......=astards....

[Cidersomerset]

This is what I was looking for the Christian brother abuse of Children by UK/Australian authorities.This was a big scandel a few years ago...Just the tip of the iceberg it seems !!

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It happened to me: I was sent to Australia as a child migrant

By York Membery
UPDATED: 22:00, 25 December 2009

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz1vQqpO3I4


In 1946, Laurie Humphreys, a 13-year-old boy living in an orphanage in Southampton, was sent to a 'better life' in Australia under the Child Migrants Programme, along with hundreds of other children.

In many cases they were taught only farm work, and suffered cruelty and hardship - including physical, psychological and sexual abuse. Recently, the Australian prime minister made a belated apology to the former child migrants. Here, Laurie, now 76, tells his story.

My mother died when I was four and my father, on the advice of a priest, put me into an orphanage in Southampton.

I was evacuated to Wiltshire during World War II and, in 1946, I was moved to another orphanage in Romsey, just outside Southampton.

One day, a nun gathered us boys together and asked, 'Who wants to go to Australia?'



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz1vQqTDQw3



"Like most of the boys, I would try to keep clear of Father Eugene, the creepy Catholic priest in charge of the place. He had a weird way of talking to you,
and took a keen interest in whether us boys kept our private parts clean - not exactly appropriate for the person who was hearing our confessions."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...#ixzz1vQpqvGtD

[Hervé]

They are all part of an underground trade... very lucrative.

See this thread: While you were out… business as usual

... or start from this post in the Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit thread.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Amzer this is sick, beyond sick !! I posted the Boys town vid on a thread before , and I've known about this for years but it hits you
sometimes more than others,,,,All the Children taken from their parents in South America under the military Juntas and parents murdered.
All the millions of Children in Africa starved to death and thousands used as child soldiers...In Asia the child workers in the 'Sweet shops',
like it was in the 19th century in Europe and North America.....The whole thing stinks , then you find it is still alive and well in these
'elitist Satanic cabels' ....protected by the establishment.....

GATHERING THE "HARVEST" OF ORPHANS IN WAR ZONES

The CIA and its corporate bosses like the Rockefellers and Bushs make about 1,000 USD per kid from a war zone if they sell them to auctioneers. Of that 1,000, the CIA will get about 300, and about 700 will go to the corporate bosses. For drugs the split is more like 15 USD per 100 in profit going to the CIA.

There is much more money to be made when the bosses keep the kids in their own hands. So the best kids are skimmed off the top and never make it to the auction houses. Kids are skimmed off either because of looks or smarts.

A smart kid, like I was, can be a life long asset and make an owner a lot more money. About 1 -2 percent of kids are tried that way, as spies or corporate slaves. About 5 percent of the kids are skimmed off by the bosses for looks.

The best of these end up as a house boy or girl of a politician that the boss wants to keep happy and controlled. They will also be spying on the politician for the boss. In that position some of these kids make it into adulthood.

What can you say !!

[Hervé]

It is sick beyond words... and while the vast majority of the western world is distracted by either TV and the lives of so-called "stars" or Elenin, Nibiru for the ones who gave up on TV/MSM... for "them" it's business as usual in preparing the implemantation of "their world":

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
[...]

This is the story of men who profited off the suffering of others. This is the story of men who intended millions to die and succeeded. This is a story of pride and eugenics, making not a Master Race, but sad men whose souls were small, dry, and deformed. Denied protective love in childhood, they sought satisfaction through money, sexual cruelty, and the worship of death. Then they invited others to rituals which destroyed their compassion and their consciences to make them like themselves. The Rockefeller Archives had one shelf of books just devoted to how to enslave others through black magic and sodomy. Their private journals left no doubt. If there is anything that the founding father’s of the New World Order should be known for, it is their use of sexual humiliation and torture to coerce others. The line between the founders of the New World Order and the Abu Ghraib prison abuses is a straight one.

[...]

The plans for the New World Order preceded the start of WWI. Per the documents in the Rockefeller Archives the New World Order was envisioned as a way to enslave the populace to do the bidding of elite. Basically, they wanted a feudal system again in which people were dependent on the Masters in order to eat and had to obey them to live. John D. Rockefeller and his wealthy Robber Baron friends sent many letters back and forth extolling the virtues of slavery. John D. Rockefeller, Sr. had made money off of war profiteering during the Civil War.

[...]

[Cidersomerset]

A British man in Thailand was arrested a couple of days ago for trafficking
gold plated human babies which is rife in parts of Asia....




Gold plated babies set to be used in black magic ritual

I posted this earlier....

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...k-magic-ritual

[Mulder]

The catholic Church is truely evil here. Look at the "Rat Line" to spirit Nazis to South America, the sexual abuse over all the world, the witch hunts in the middle ages.... this Church needs serious repentance.

[Cidersomerset]

I agree Mulder we talk about that a bit on ,The Popes Wierd Throne room thread....

page 2
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...663#post489663



and the Peter Laveda inter view on coast...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Peter-Levenda

[Sidney]

OMG- I really didn't think it could get worse than I already thought it was. The sinister world that we live in. It's unbearable raising children knowing the evils we are leaving to them. So much for the glimmer of hope I had yesterday. I truly want to cry.

[panopticon]

Thanks for the thread Cid. I wasn't aware of this situation in Spain and was only just the other day chatting with a friend about Franco's oppressive regime.

While only being a small part of the overall picture this has helped me in understanding how Franco and his authoritarian "followers" socialised the populace after the revolution.
Kind Regards,
Panopticon