The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us

[wynderer]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G-kTehJ3jL8

[wynderer]

from Vigilant Citizen:

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Mass Media Promoting Transhumanism: The “Mind-Blowing Benefits of Merging Human Brains and Computers”
By VC | February 8th, 2012 |

We’ve seen in previous articles (notably in The Transhumanist and Police State Agenda in Pop Music) that the concept of transhumanism, which can be defined as the merging of humans and robots, is being abundantly promoted in music videos, movies and video games. On top of this “indirect” kind of promotion, transhumanism is being sold through more direct channels such as documentaries, television features and news reports. The main face of the movement is the American inventor Ray Kurzweil who has recently been on a massive PR campaign to promote what he calls “Singularity” (a term that is probably less threatening than “transhumanism”).

Kurzweil is however not a lone nut with a crazy futuristic dream. He works in collaboration with the world’s most powerful people in business and politics. For example, in February 2009, Kurzweil collaborated with Google and the NASA Ames Research Center, to create the Singularity University training center for corporate executives and government officials. The University’s self-described mission is to “assemble, educate and inspire a cadre of leaders who strive to understand and facilitate the development of exponentially advancing technologies and apply, focus and guide these tools to address humanity’s grand challenges”. It is safe to say that transhumanism is not only the goal of one man but of the entire global elite. For this reason, the merging of humans and robots is not only promoted as something “cool” and positive in mass media, it is announced, despite its potential pitfalls, as an inevitability.
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http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnew...and-computers/

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by Realeyes (here)
Thanks Wynderer for your post [127] .

I too have been aware of the transhuman agenda that has been subtly fed to us over the decades. All of this in my opinion is moving humanity consciously away from their natural states of ‘humanness’, ‘self reflection’, ‘compassion’ and ‘interaction’ with our own kind.

I watched a startling video some months ago of the latest technological robots that now look like humans. These robots interact like humans and are being tested in hospitals as ‘support & company’ for those lying in bed sick. It seems human tactile contact, communication and natural loving compassion between each other is no longer necessary, robots and eventually clones will become the ‘carers and nurses’ of the future.

Technology has become accepted in our consciousness. One only has to take a tube ride or walk in a large town/city and notice most people are ‘locked in’ being ‘entertained’ with their iPods or mobile phones – no one is engaging with people around them anymore, no one smiles – they are locked in their own little world of isolation and entertainment filled with ‘ga ga’. I find this very upsetting and disturbing.

I see this ‘long thought agenda’ gearing us up to except robots in our homes that will eventually be clones, where less humans will be ‘needed’ and far easier to maintain control.

Such ideas Hollywood has been feeding us for a long time; it’s so clever, they know just the buttons to push. ‘Blade Runner’ the film, I cried when the androids suddenly realised they were not real and their death/annihilation was inevitable. There was the film about the little boy who was an A.I. – again very thought provoking similar to the character ‘Data’ on Star Trek; they both wanted to be a real human and have a soul. The viewer becomes attached to the robot’s character and their plight; we may even contemplate whether such robots and clones should have ‘rights’? You may think this is a stupid question, but this debate is far older than this planet – it has happened before and is a cunning hoodwink on incarnated Souls’ ‘free will’ and ‘consciousness’.

Big Sigh..... Humans have unknowingly given away their divine power and have ‘allowed’ the tptw to remove even our basic human rights – we have yet to get started on our ‘godly rights’. Robots and clones don’t answer back and can be turned ‘off’ – humans also are useable and dispensable, the ptw and those who control them do not honour or respect the potential gift and beauty of life. We live in a world where ‘time is profit and money’, ‘life is cheap’. Humans spend a lifetime kept very busy paying for the roof over their heads. Most are too busy to feel compassion towards our humankind who are daily killed, tortured, maimed and terrorised; communities and farmland stolen, forced to struggle and starve like savages, food and water being poisoned etc, etc, etc on a planet that lovingly supplies daily everything for everyone - yet only the ‘few’ receive because they ‘own it’. Huh???

IMO, the so called ‘gift’ of technology has created tyrannical power for the few - pain, suffering and desensitisation for the majority, directing us away from our humanness and our greater destiny.
We are living in such an important historical TIME right now. This is the ‘Now’ where Humanity can make leaps and bounds in their consciousness, contemplating and asking the greater questions and placing their observations into discovering the 90% phenomenal abilities that lies dormant within each of us. Think of the adventures you could have if you knew how to physically ‘teleport’ yourself anywhere you so desired just by the power of a focused inward thought? How different would your life/reality/world be if you remembered how to do this? It is Time to unfold our true destiny and Be-Come ‘Hu-Man’ =- God-Man/Woman Realised here on Earth.

‘Source Creator’ didn’t favour the salamander or the caterpillar over humans; we all have the ability to ‘Metamorphous’ into something most wonderful. It is a Time to awaken to the truth that there is a lot more going on in this Galaxy than just this little planet’s nonsense still arguing over religions, and superstitions etc. Those who keep their eyes on the ‘Space’ Earth rides in, will know that we are in the ‘Quickening’, a Time to mature, re-connect and become spiritually self-responsible.

The silent agenda by tptw is attempting to convince Humanity into the mind state that ‘technology’ ‘is’ the way forward – ‘our’ future. NOOOOOOOOOOOO, I scream! We are in a Time of ‘Awakening our Consciousness’ – We are the ‘Quickening’ right now that has long been foretold. We chose to incarnate here to ‘Consciously Be-Come Aware’, ‘In-Lightened’ and ‘Connected’ on a Soul level to Earth and our relationship with the Galaxy and beyond.

Every time we switch on the T.V., Radio, Music, Coliseum Entertainment etc we are shutting off the ‘natural-state’ and placing our ‘precious powerful attention’ on the technology that drowns out the ‘natural state of beingness’.

This is a war of Consciousness Vs Technology.

Think about it: Prior to all this technology people knew how to talk to each other civilly; they gathered together in halls and fields for dances; there was a community spirit and genuine care and support for each other. They had time to read books, play instruments, write poetry, contemplate and observe the world in peaceful thought. Being ‘Human’ is about having connections and relationships with humans and all that is within us and all that surrounds us. Every time we switch on technology, that drowns out our own inner thoughts and connections we have elected for more brainwashing that dulls our spiritual humanness.

The choice is individually ours on which path we choose to journey on. Be aware, go with your heart, use your discernment and inner knowingness and tread wisely.

Thankfully, the sweet breath of Conscious ‘CHANGE’ is in the Air – very soon all these things will become clearer as our conscious awareness expands. Smile.

Actually if you really think about it what we had back then was a far more tribalized society. Yes people regularly congregated and were more social, and civil...but, and this is a big but, it was only with those who stayed within their socioeconomic sphere or "caste." Racism against blacks, sexism against women, much higher rates of domestic violence because at the time it was considered expected and even manly to hit your wife or child as punishment, and far, far worse violence and oppression against Gays, Atheists and earth-based religions practitioners (outside of Native American practices) was highly prevalent in the preceding times. So while yes there was much more in-person socialization than there was now that socialization was primarily to reinforce tribal boundaries and cliques. We like to talk a big game about how we all could come together as a country during tough times. But the reality of the situation? What that meant was that we kept people locked into their respective places according to skin color, gender, etc. and anyone who visibly stepped outside of their role was quitly beaten back into place or even murdered and swept under the rug. National unity meant "Do what the establishment says, or else" and because people were so much under the illusion (due to the fact that after WWII we did have a real prosperity boom here if you were white, and at least pretended to be a straight Christian) at the time it's easy to harken back to those days as if it was somehow a bastion of liberty and prosperity. However, if you weren't fortunate enough to have been born into privilege times were actually much harder than they were now depending on where you lived. Before the era of DNA evidence and cell-phone cameras the Police could get away with a lot more.

This is why making arguments based in nostalgia isn't such a good idea. Those rose-colored sunglasses often prevent us from seeing all of the real problems we had because during those times we as a society were much more able to "other" entire groups of human beings and squelch the cries of their suffering. This is even before going into how we used to regard people in foreign countries. (depending on the Era: savages, sinners, idiots, or enemies, possibly some combination thereof) Currently our society is far more depersonalized, but yet, that depersonalization has also had an interesting effect. People slowly but surely aren't paying as much attention to the skin color, gender, or other superficial qualities of whom they associate with and are actually talking to people because they connect on a deeper mental/spiritual level based on the ideas or feelings they express. In this regard the Internet has been a massive success at actually bringing people together as one despite the appearance of keeping them separate. Yes we are physically separate and no we don't speak to each other in the same room. Yet, by the same token we talk to and listen to far, far more people than we ever did before and are regularly formulating our own ideas and showing them to the world in new ways not before possible when you limited yourself to just the local group of friends who were all from the same privileged background as you.

[wynderer]

en francais -- all the lip licking she does -- i'll try to find the other source that mentions this as a sign of a Reptilian influence of some sort --

William F Buckley Jr [very Reptilian looking, imo] used to lick his lips a lot

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=t9dmrTa077U

[wynderer]

from post #513 by Houman on the Horus-Ra Archon thread:

But by far the most alarming evidence of alien technology concerns the "new" bodies and "clones" they manufacture. Whether these are really bodies for a future human "resurrection," as Pat was told, remains to be seen, for other explanations have been given. In a case privately reported, for instance, a man was told that a duplicate of his body could be used to "replace" him if he didn't "cooperate" with the aliens. Lisa, too, was told that other people wouldn't be able to distinguish her cloned body from the original, if they chose to replace her. And Angie was shown the cloned infants as part of a "novel breed" the aliens are producing.

[wynderer]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=PfXn-uH8RYs

[wynderer]

i did some searching on the forum to find an alien false flag event thread & did not find one , so i'll post this here

one theory about what is going on w/the Reptilians & other ETs is that another group of Reptilians, hi-ranked ones, are on their way to Earth right now to re-assume control

one theory around this is that the Reptilians here & their buddies are waiting to welcome the returning 'gods' -- Egyptologists like Robert Bauvall got into this -- from his site [ he was really into this then] -- remember that big show at the Great Pyramid in 2000 that was cancelled?

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Why did the Egyptians cancelled the most dramatic ceremony of the Millennium ? [ R Bauval needs a good proofreader]

28th January, 2000

by Robert G. Bauval

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"We cannot rebuild the pyramids stone by stone, "said Farouk Hosni, "so we have chosen a symbolic event like the ancient Egyptians did when they used to cap obelisks like what the French did at the Place de la Concorde".
Later in October 1998 the Farouk Hosni announced that French composer Jean-Michel Jarre was to organise this event at Giza. The official Egyptian Tourist Authorities announced that Jean-Michel Jarre would compose a 12-hours opera titled "The Twelve Dream of the Sun" for the sum of 10 million US dollars and that,
"At midnight a helicopter will fly into the site and, hovering in a starburst of lasers and spotlights, will place a gigantic gilded capstone atop the Great Pyramid --all to the accompaniment of what is expected to be an unprecedented Jarre crescendo of electronic music. The gold cap, approximately 28 feet high (about the size of a two-story house) is being especially constructed to protect the pyramid structure. In place, it will catch the first light of the new millennium as the sun rises over Egypt. Capping pyramids with gold and timing important events to the setting and rising sun are very much part of the ancient Egyptian pharoanic tradition, making this piece of Jarre theatre particularly meaningful."
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To add fuel to this political fire, the radical Egyptian press, notably the newspaper Al Shaab (The People) found out that Jean-Michel Jarre intended to project the so-called 'eye of Horus' on the Great Pyramid with laser lights, and immediately denounced the organisers of staging a 'Masonic' stunt. The Al Shaab claimed that the 'eye in the pyramid' blatantly evoked the well-known Masonic symbol on the US one-dollar bill.
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http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/robertbauval.html

[pugwash84]

Black eyed kids sound scary

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/0...in-the-making/

[pugwash84]

Oh I also had a weird thought the other day, What if some people are aliens but they do not know they are aliens? If they are told they are human and the whole world think they are human but they are really alien, how would anyone know?

[wynderer]

i think they may be demonic --aka from the dark spiritual realms

Posted by pugwash84 (here)
Black eyed kids sound scary

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2011/0...in-the-making/

[the_vast_mystery]

Posted by pugwash84 (here)
Oh I also had a weird thought the other day, What if some people are aliens but they do not know they are aliens? If they are told they are human and the whole world think they are human but they are really alien, how would anyone know?

This is an excellent point, and is why it would be paramount not to demonize entire swathes of people, even with these hybrid genetics as Evil or demonic. They may have inherited certain traits but they're still in human form and while they might be a more capable human they're still not supermen/women who can fly faster than the speed of sound or bend steel beams bare handed. When dealing with enemy spies it is far wiser to give them incentives to switch sides and hand over their intel versus just being paranoid and shooting them all. You might miss out on some really worthwhile souls who want to end the struggle just the same as everyone else if you don't treat people on a case by case basis.

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Only on page 4, still have much to read.
I am in support of the information in this thread.
I would like to know more.

[Debra]

Black eyes .. is it an urban myth ? Does it happen elsewhere in the world, any reportings? I think it strange too that the accounts of these children reveal some odd behaviours. How do they live, where do they live? They ask for help, and never go further if someone declines letting them inside a house. Most strange.

I remember a baby - close to me - who was born with black eyes but the colour of the eyes changed after a while. Not the whole of her eyes were black - as that radio discussion related - but dark enough that they were quite startling. She would stare for hours, pick her points of focus and stare with these little black eyes.

[GoingOn]

wynderer, thank you for initiating a most important thread.

As a new member of PA, I have not divulged much about myself (and there isn't much interesting to tell). I don't mean to derail or overwhelm this thread; just a couple of thoughts after reflecting on the information from everyone who has participated so far.

For most of my life, I've thought Reptilians are responsible for sociopathic behaviors.
I also think it's possible some demons are responsible for some Reptilian behaviors.
The woman who raised me is apparently a classic sociopath.
I think of her as displaying classic demonic Reptilian behaviours (face morphing is one of her many talents).
As a child, I longed for the day I would discover a hidden adoption certificate so I could prove to everyone that I was not directly blood related to her.
If she and I both know what's good for us (always open to debate) we will not meet again in this lifetime. And, for the record, I expect her to survive for another ten to 15 years. In another country.

Ammit spoke of people who look dead (see post #117). The mention of "too many joints in their legs" caught my attention; this is a clear sign to me that the person is not as human as one might wish to believe. Actually, it creeps me out. Half of me wants to run up to the body and say "No, you're doing it wrong, do it like this!" and the other half of me wants to run in the opposite direction. My compromise is to walk away without making any direct thought contact.

[wynderer]

thanks, GoingOn -- i started this thread w/the intention of sharing my stories & providing articles & links to awaken Humans to the fact that the invasion & takeover of their planet is on a new level now --

& that you are being infiltrated by Human-looking but not Human-souled beings in rather large numbers at this time -- & that one part of the Wipe-Out-The-Humans program involves robots as well as hybrids & clones

check out VanSak's thread re this End-The-Humans program also

i've spent quite a few years posting on forums trying to get folks to wake up to this -- & i'm getting really weary -- Stephanie Relfe recently told me that all the abductees she knows are broke, sick, & not in a 'relationship' [tho, on the plus side, if i want to drive away some jerky guy , i just have to tell him about the abduction, & he runs from the crazy lady]

Humans really are a dumbed-down species, tho there are some who are waking up, w/these new energies -- a passing window of opportunity to get free of the Matrix, that few will do -- the newagers who accept their particular channelers as their new religion will not get free, unless their hearts are already open --

but then they'd likely be actively doing something to stop what's going on [not including group meditations/visualizations, which feed the entity behind the channeler of choice], & newagers don't like to look at what's right under their noses --they call it 'fear porn' [referring to their own fear -- Humans seem to get easily spooked]

i have no hesitation, when meeting some weird Human-looking being such as you describe, in saying, 'Feets, do your duty!' & in putting as much space as i can between me & them --

if those black-eyed kids come knocking on my door some night, i am not inviting them in for hot cocoa & cookies -- not out of fear on my part, but from a healthy sense of self-preservation, & because i try to hang out w/nice folks only

i'm in the process of weaning myself away from years of try-to-wake-them-up postings on forums -- i am getting into place all that/who i need to begin the work of remembering what happened during my abductions

this will be very personal work & will require a lot of attention -- meanwhile the clones & hybrids are being 'seeded' into your communities/cities --

wyn

Posted by GoingOn (here)
wynderer, thank you for initiating a most important thread.

As a new member of PA, I have not divulged much about myself (and there isn't much interesting to tell). I don't mean to derail or overwhelm this thread; just a couple of thoughts after reflecting on the information from everyone who has participated so far.

For most of my life, I've thought Reptilians are responsible for sociopathic behaviors.
I also think it's possible some demons are responsible for some Reptilian behaviors.
The woman who raised me is apparently a classic sociopath.
I think of her as displaying classic demonic Reptilian behaviours (face morphing is one of her many talents).
As a child, I longed for the day I would discover a hidden adoption certificate so I could prove to everyone that I was not directly blood related to her.
If she and I both know what's good for us (always open to debate) we will not meet again in this lifetime. And, for the record, I expect her to survive for another ten to 15 years. In another country.

Ammit spoke of people who look dead (see post #117). The mention of "too many joints in their legs" caught my attention; this is a clear sign to me that the person is not as human as one might wish to believe. Actually, it creeps me out. Half of me wants to run up to the body and say "No, you're doing it wrong, do it like this!" and the other half of me wants to run in the opposite direction. My compromise is to walk away without making any direct thought contact.

[Debra]

Posted by Rantaak (here)

Posted by wynderer (here)
from Rantaak's post # 104

Such a display of power is truly a rare occurrence and is coincidentally incapable of appearing on youtube or video (to my knowledge).


it's not a 'display of power ' -- it's a breakdown of their ability to hold their Human form because of the new energies coming in -- Arizona Wilder mentioned this

this also explains why SO MANY CHILDREN ARE GOING MISSING RIGHT NOW -- some Reptilians who totally control/live in their Human bodies -- the Reptilian walk-ins -- need the blood of pure souls to keep their forms

No, the ones abducting children do not have that kind of power. That's why they feel the need to abduct children.

Rantaak, I hope you are checking in here. Can you please tell why you are so certain about the ones who abduct children? I only ask because I am querying here the sources for this information. Is this from your own experience? Or, from what you have read? Or viewed on a video?

I think it is important - and not just from yourself - but all of us! I think it is important that we provide that kind of information when we make claims as certain as this.

And of course, I must be honest with you, I am intrigued to know more about yourself - in relation to this knowledge field. If your knowing does actually come from some form of experience with hybrids and clones, it would be great if you could expand on this a little more. It would be very valuable, I think.

Only if you so wish to share, naturally.

[GoingOn]

Warning, this is a long post. If it's too long to read and someone wants to know the point of it all, it's this: wyn has taught me a great deal in this thread and others could learn by reading and thinking before posting.

Posted by wynderer (here)
thanks, GoingOn -- i started this thread w/the intention of sharing my stories & providing articles & links to awaken Humans to the fact that the invasion & takeover of their planet is on a new level now --

& that you are being infiltrated by Human-looking but not Human-souled beings in rather large numbers at this time -- & that one part of the Wipe-Out-The-Humans program involves robots as well as hybrids & clones

Agreed. I began reading because I wanted to learn from your experiences. Events in my life led me to that conclusion a long time ago. And I think these beings w/o human souls will self-destruct just to take out a few humans. So I am irritated by the half of me that wants to give instructions on how to look more human.

Posted by wynderer (here)
Humans really are a dumbed-down species, tho there are some who are waking up, w/these new energies -- a passing window of opportunity to get free of the Matrix, that few will do -- the newagers who accept their particular channelers as their new religion will not get free, unless their hearts are already open --

but then they'd likely be actively doing something to stop what's going on [not including group meditations/visualizations, which feed the entity behind the channeler of choice], & newagers don't like to look at what's right under their noses --they call it 'fear porn' [referring to their own fear -- Humans seem to get easily spooked]

wyn, I wonder if I have yet to "see" my own problems. It seems I have a faulty connection to fear. People around me express great fear and can even experience an inability to move (other than to babble incoherently) when something dangerous is happening in 3D, while I seem to lack the notion that "I'm going to die" and will take physical action to prevent or minimize the danger. I seem to have the same reactions (or lack of reactions) to "fear porn."

Is is wrong to translate "fear" (whatever that is) into a call for thought and action? Is it unhuman to do that? I welcome your input without holding you accountable to give answers. Your below answers helped me a lot, thanks:

Posted by wynderer (here)
i have no hesitation, when meeting some weird Human-looking being such as you describe, in saying, 'Feets, do your duty!' & in putting as much space as i can between me & them --

if those black-eyed kids come knocking on my door some night, i am not inviting them in for hot cocoa & cookies -- not out of fear on my part, but from a healthy sense of self-preservation, & because i try to hang out w/nice folks only

I find it quite draining to find nice folks and I mean no disrespect by that remark. Your opening post on this thread was one of a handful that prompted me to apply for PA membership; I respect your plan even though it could mean I won't have a chance to speak more with you:

Posted by wynderer (here)
i'm in the process of weaning myself away from years of try-to-wake-them-up postings on forums -- i am getting into place all that/who i need to begin the work of remembering what happened during my abductions

this will be very personal work & will require a lot of attention -- meanwhile the clones & hybrids are being 'seeded' into your communities/cities --

wyn

Much respect to you for what you are about to do. Over the last three decades, I've found two therapists who accept that I am not like "other" humans and will not go further than that. Perhaps I would do better to focus more on my (apparent) ability to recognize non-humans, and less on questions about what might be happening to my 3D body by these non-humans. Of course, that's something that no one else can answer for me.

[Debra]

For many years, I have supported abductees actively. And I don´t mean just interacting with them on an internet forum. I put myself in the public eye, I was in the front line with them and I went for it, to raise awareness and demand the help they needed, instead of the ridicule and invalidation. Unfortunately I also paid for it, I almost lost my life. And as an abductee, I assume that you know very well what an attack can be like when they try to shut you down and stuff up your life.

[ThePythonicCow]

Mod-Note:

I have split this thread into two threads. It was difficult to read and stay on topic, as some 69 or so of the posts were (in the view of the original poster) off-topic, or responses thereto, or discussions of such.

So I split that thread into two threads - some 99 posts (as of the time I write this) remain on this original thread, and some 69 "off-topic" posts are now moved to the new thread: The Hybrids & Clones Amongst Us (various off-topic posts).

This surgery was not clean ... some posts had portions that could have been placed on either thread.

But perhaps this split will clean up this original thread somewhat and make it easier reading.

[Rantaak]

Posted by GoingOn (here)
wynderer, thank you for initiating a most important thread.

As a new member of PA, I have not divulged much about myself (and there isn't much interesting to tell). I don't mean to derail or overwhelm this thread; just a couple of thoughts after reflecting on the information from everyone who has participated so far.

For most of my life, I've thought Reptilians are responsible for sociopathic behaviors.
I also think it's possible some demons are responsible for some Reptilian behaviors.
The woman who raised me is apparently a classic sociopath.
I think of her as displaying classic demonic Reptilian behaviours (face morphing is one of her many talents).
As a child, I longed for the day I would discover a hidden adoption certificate so I could prove to everyone that I was not directly blood related to her.
If she and I both know what's good for us (always open to debate) we will not meet again in this lifetime. And, for the record, I expect her to survive for another ten to 15 years. In another country.

Ammit spoke of people who look dead (see post #117). The mention of "too many joints in their legs" caught my attention; this is a clear sign to me that the person is not as human as one might wish to believe. Actually, it creeps me out. Half of me wants to run up to the body and say "No, you're doing it wrong, do it like this!" and the other half of me wants to run in the opposite direction. My compromise is to walk away without making any direct thought contact.

Yup!.... Wait... TOO MANY JOINTS IN THEIR LEGS?!?!? That sent a few shivers down my spine.

I've seen that before.. In the dreamworld... my father. There is a chapter in my novel detailing this.

I have long suspected that he is an organic portal or some such catastrophe.

Oddly enough I have also suspected that we are not as related as it would seem.

For the first eighteen years of my life, I struggled with severe sociopathy. There was a lot of developmental trauma. I was basically immediately thrown into a world where everyone was in some way responding to my unique child-like and simultaneously masculine and feminine energy. A few years ago, we addressed the issue neurologically and all is well now :-) Either that or I've become so good at appearing genuine that I fool myself

You can't fake being genuine, as Bill Ryan (O Captain, my comrade) has stated. You certainly can try, but it will become transparent to anyone who is truly genuine.

I would be interested to hear if anyone else has sighted beings with too many joints in their legs. When I saw my father as such, he was leaning against the kitchen counter with his arms crossed in his home which I visited twice a week as a child. I had this dream when I was physically very young, probably about seven or eight years old. His legs extended into the tiled floor and then angled back up, out of the floor where they formed an additional knee-like joint which angled down again into his feet. He looked at me quizzically and said, "What's wrong?" It still gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about it... He's a very odd looking man in the first place too, so the surreality of this experience was confounding beyond measure.