Jesus the man / JESUS the Archon – inspired by Houman’s Horus-Ra thread

[RedeZra]

Posted by justoneman (here)
My creator does not make a being that then has to be saved from some other segment of my creator's creation. That is ludicrous to me. My creator gives me all I need to decide for myself if I live in fear or not and to decide for myself the value of being genuine and self validating.

someone said it good...

he is no fool who gives up what he is going to loose anyway

to gain something that can never be taken from him


God gave us some instructions on how to live in this world

which we will have to leave sooner or later

the Ten Commandments


when we follow the Ten Commandments and the words of Jesus

then we are considered righteous by God and worthy of eternal life


if we break the Ten Commandments then we just have to go to Jesus and receive our forgiveness


look i did not make the rules

God the Creator did

[Houman]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Houman (here)
1 The first person to be called christ in the bible was not Jesus but Cyrus
http://www.biblestudytools.com/wyc/isaiah/45.html (The Lord saith these things to my christ, Cyrus, whose right hand I took...)

the Creator is the God of all

and then we got that created chief cherub copycating God the Creator

manifesting himself and twisting God's truths to poor souls

and so we got this religious mess



king David lived long before king Cyrus and was also anointed by God

the priests in the Temple in Jerusalem were also anointed

so the general meaning of anointed is approved by God


so also Jesus was anointed and approved by God

and His message is there for all to read and He still manifests to those who seek Him today


but this window of opportunity is closing

for the age is about to end


can't you see it collapsing all around you ?

I was referring to the "christ" concept not to the "anointed" one, the notion of a "universal savior" appears to have its origin in "Zoroastrianism"...

and it is also not clear to me that the bible mentions only one "god"... (and that the one mentioned in the torah was originally the same as the "god" of Christianity)

...the whole subject is extremely confusing because humans have been manipulated for eons through their belief systems, their libraries have been burnt, heretics have been burnt at the stake or wiped out (cathars, etc...), and their records distorted... so it would not "hurt" to investigate the origins of these concepts...

Houman

PS: I am surprised that all the links to all the imbedded images of my previous post got broken in only a couple of hours...

[Chester]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)
My creator does not make a being that then has to be saved from some other segment of my creator's creation. That is ludicrous to me. My creator gives me all I need to decide for myself if I live in fear or not and to decide for myself the value of being genuine and self validating.

someone said it good...

he is no fool who gives up what he is going to loose anyway

to gain something that can never be taken from him


God gave us some instructions on how to live in this world

which we will have to leave sooner or later

the Ten Commandments


when we follow the Ten Commandments and the words of Jesus

then we are considered righteous by God and worthy of eternal life


if we break the Ten Commandments then we just have to go to Jesus and receive our forgiveness


look i did not make the rules

God the Creator did

God the creator made only one rule - there are no rules

[RedeZra]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
look i did not make the rules

God the Creator did

God the creator made only one rule - there are no rules

do what thou wilt

is not from God but satan

[kreagle]

Posted by Davy (here)
This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it’s an appeal to abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven.

Posted by kreagle (here)
Jesus was, and is,.....more than a man!

Jesus was, and is,.....more than an Archon!!

and by no means is "this",.......inspired by Houman's Horus-Ra thread!!!


Opinions and theories seem to be "very diverse" on this extremely important topic!

Was He a "man" at one time?,.....the Scriptures certainly say that He was!,...but "also" that He was much, much more than that!

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who was "this One" that was,.....manifest in the flesh,.....justified in the Spirit,....seen of angels,.....preached unto the Gentiles,.....believed on in the world,...and then,.....received up into glory?,.......the Scripture says,......JESUS!! (note: this Scripture, along with many others, is giving us all a "very strong hint" that He was certainly "more than a man"!) (hint:.....I believe "IT" called Him God,.....didn't "IT"?)

Was He an Archon?,....let's look, first, at what Merriam-Webster says about "archon"

ar·chon noun \ˈär-ˌkän, -kən\
Definition of ARCHON
1: a chief magistrate in ancient Athens
2: a presiding officer
3: any ruler

(note: in all "3" definitions above,.....Jesus surpassed these "roles" by a land-slide,....as fully indicated by the Scriptures,....once again!!)

1 Timothy 6:14-16
King James Version (KJV)

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Folks, the above referenced Scripture contains no typo-graphical errors, in that it plainly tells us, correctly, that Jesus will one day,....once and for all,....show the entire World that He is the....."only Potentate",....the King of kings,.....and the Lord of lords.

"Only" means "one" and "one, alone". It, at no time, has indicated a "plurality", regarding specifically a "plurality of Deities."

Once again, Merriam-Webster reveals,......

po·ten·tate noun \ˈpō-tən-ˌtāt\
Definition of POTENTATE
: ruler, sovereign; broadly : one who wields great power or sway

(note: If He is the "only" Potentate,.....the "only" one who wields great power or sway,....I ask you,....is the Bible not, once again, giving us all "another great hint", at just "who" this JESUS was, in actuality?)

Jesus was, and is,........more than a man!
Jesus was, and is,........more than an Archon!!!

Do you know "who" this Jesus really was,.....and is today?

.......to be continued,......


Love and Peace,........kreagle

This reads as fear-inducing threats to inspire.

Davy,

(your quote)

It has absolutely nothing to do with the search for truth.

(Jesus' quote)

John 14:5-7
King James Version (KJV)

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him

"His Word",.....will stand the test of time.

I "strongly advise you" to take a careful and profound look at your "current" stance!

It clearly appears that you ascribe to an "alternative belief/faith",....and,....that "this portion" of the Holy Scriptures "challenges" and/or negates your "belief system". This "observation" is only made, more clear, by your final quote.

(your quote)

This reads as fear-inducing threats to inspire.

The only "fear" that can be possibly "induced" from the "small portion of God's Word" that I've quoted from,....is the profound and direct statement we find in 1 Timothy 6:15.

1 Timothy 6:15
King James Version (KJV)

15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

As "this passage of Scripture" points out,.....all "previous impostors" will have had their last day on the grand stage of humans hearts. Their lies and false hopes/ideas will have run their course. Center-stage will now belong to God,.....and God only!!!

And,...."yes",.......His name is,......JESUS!

"fear" can be a wonderful thing,.....not "fear",....as in "afraid",.....
.....................................but,............"fear",....as in "respect"!!!

It is certainly time,....past time,....to "fear"(respect),.....our Lord God, Jesus Christ!

Proverbs 1:7
King James Version (KJV)

7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Don't be "foolish",.....my friend!


Love and Peace,......kreagle

[RedeZra]

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
king David lived long before king Cyrus and was also anointed by God

the priests in the Temple in Jerusalem were also anointed

so the general meaning of anointed is approved by God


so also Jesus was anointed and approved by God

and His message is there for all to read and He still manifests to those who seek Him today

I was referring to the "christ" concept not to the "anointed" one, the notion of a "universal savior" appears to have its origin in "Zoroastrianism"...

Christ means anointed

and comes from the New Testament Greek Christos

which is the same as the Old Testament Hebrew Mashiyach


so the passage in Isaiah 45 about Cyrus do not say Christ but Mashiyach

meaning anointed or approved by God


amar Yehovah mashiyach Kowresh - thus saith Yehovah to his anointed Cyrus


so Mashiyach or Christ means anointed or approved by God

it's just a title for someone with a specific purpose or mission from God


so God used king Cyrus to conquer Babylon and let the Jews go home

[Hervé]

I have to admit that the price of fish got lost somewhere in there...

Justoneman: thank you for bringing up that "sworn-by" subject of synchronicities as the controlling master manipulation!

Here is an excerpt from "Riding the wave" by Laura Knight Jadczyk:

I will say that some of the things you have found are fascinating and I am convinced that there is some purpose and reason, and maybe even your ultimate conclusions are correct - or pretty close... but there are some big gaps in the symbolic appreciation and historical background of same. There are many things to be gone over in a sort of "cold" and analytical way - even including this business of "synchronicity" that we both have experienced in this matter. This "amazing" confluence of "clues and artifacts" tends to convince us that our ideas are correct... but I have found that, often, the matter is much more complicated - like a chess game. Some of these "synchronous" events are like a move on the chess board by these "unknowns" and they are waiting to see if we will see through the ruse... We can either make the mistake of "falling into the trap" of taking the piece "offered" while we are being set up for a swift and stunning mate. NEVER underestimate the cleverness and cunning of the opponent.

Your ideas are framed in much the same terms as the guys who wrote the Holy Grail series and the guy who wrote the Tomb of God... in the sense that all sorts of "synchronous" and "amazing" correspondences were found in response to the various ideas had by all. This should be taken as a warning that it can occur to just about anybody. All of you were convinced that you were "on the right track" because of these things... don't forget that. They, as sincerely as yourself, were convinced of the "rightness" of their "path" and conclusions because of the SAME TYPES OF REMARKABLE SYNCHRONICITIES!!!!

Remember - NEVER FORGET - that the opponent wants us to come to false conclusions... And never forget that he/they are so much more clever and practiced at this deception that we can even imagine. This is NOT a secret of a couple hundred years duration. It is THOUSANDS of years old...

The culprits of such orchestrations... Lizzies.

This one for the pulpit preachers:

But, getting back to the Bible for just a moment: in my reading of years past, I came across several passages that really struck me as curious, considering their "origins." The first is, of course, one that I quote frequently from the Book of Romans in the New Testament. It is generally attributed to Paul, and actually has been computer analyzed and the result of this analysis was that whoever wrote the book of Romans, also wrote the two epistles to the Corinthians as well as the epistle to the Galatians. Internal evidence from these documents indicates that they were written before 70 A.D., probably close to 60 or even 40 A.D. That is to say, they were written BEFORE the Gospels.

These epistles make no allusions to Jesus as a historical figure as depicted in the Gospels. They say absolutely nothing about the parents of Jesus, the virgin birth, a time or place of earthly existence, a trial before the Romans, an execution in Jerusalem, or any of the main characters of the "Jesus story," with the exception of Peter who is referred to as a hypocrite by Paul. If there had been a real incident such as the denial of Jesus by Peter, it is fairly certain that Paul would have brought it up and used it in his "flame war" against "the Rock of the Church." When Paul DOES refer to Jesus' death, he says repeatedly that he was "crucified" or "delivered up" but NEVER that he was killed! And, we know from many ancient sources that to be "crucified" meant an initiatory event rather than being nailed to a wooden cross and dying in a physical sense.

[Houman]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
king David lived long before king Cyrus and was also anointed by God

the priests in the Temple in Jerusalem were also anointed

so the general meaning of anointed is approved by God


so also Jesus was anointed and approved by God

and His message is there for all to read and He still manifests to those who seek Him today

I was referring to the "christ" concept not to the "anointed" one, the notion of a "universal savior" appears to have its origin in "Zoroastrianism"...

Christ means anointed

and comes from the New Testament Greek Christos

which is the same as the Old Testament Hebrew Mashiyach


so the passage in Isaiah 45 about Cyrus do not say Christ but Mashiyach

meaning anointed or approved by God


amar Yehovah mashiyach Kowresh - thus saith Yehovah to his anointed Cyrus


so Mashiyach or Christ means anointed or approved by God

it's just a title for someone with a specific purpose or mission from God

from http://www.heavenlyascents.com/2009/...symposium-iii/

The Anointing of the Gods: Sanctification and Authority from Egyptian Pharaohs to Hebrew Priest Kings and Beyond

presentation by Dr. John F. Hall



...
Ritual anointing with sacred oil is documented as fulfilling an important role in the religious ceremonial of Egypt. From Pyramid texts of the early third millenium B.C.E., to Gnostic documents of the Christian era found at Nag Hammadi, anointing can be shown to provide sanctification and give authorization for ascent to the gods and inclusion in their company.
...

[RedeZra]

Posted by Houman (here)
Ritual anointing with sacred oil is documented as fulfilling an important role in the religious ceremonial of Egypt. From Pyramid texts of the early third millenium B.C.E., to Gnostic documents of the Christian era found at Nag Hammadi, anointing can be shown to provide sanctification and give authorization for ascent to the gods and inclusion in their company.
...

perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

[GoingOn]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
<snip>
perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

RedeZra, would you be willing to participate in a new thread, to discuss some of your thoughts? While I may bore you to tears, I suspect I would enjoy the discussion

It just seems to me that what I'm interested in (such as the statements I've quoted here) are not 100% in alignment with the original purpose of this thread. I make lots of mistakes and am open to being corrected on this.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

This one for the pulpit preachers:

But, getting back to the Bible for just a moment: in my reading of years past, I came across several passages that really struck me as curious, considering their "origins." The first is, of course, one that I quote frequently from the Book of Romans in the New Testament. It is generally attributed to Paul, and actually has been computer analyzed and the result of this analysis was that whoever wrote the book of Romans, also wrote the two epistles to the Corinthians as well as the epistle to the Galatians. Internal evidence from these documents indicates that they were written before 70 A.D., probably close to 60 or even 40 A.D. That is to say, they were written BEFORE the Gospels.

These epistles make no allusions to Jesus as a historical figure as depicted in the Gospels. They say absolutely nothing about the parents of Jesus, the virgin birth, a time or place of earthly existence, a trial before the Romans, an execution in Jerusalem, or any of the main characters of the "Jesus story," with the exception of Peter who is referred to as a hypocrite by Paul. If there had been a real incident such as the denial of Jesus by Peter, it is fairly certain that Paul would have brought it up and used it in his "flame war" against "the Rock of the Church." When Paul DOES refer to Jesus' death, he says repeatedly that he was "crucified" or "delivered up" but NEVER that he was killed! And, we know from many ancient sources that to be "crucified" meant an initiatory event rather than being nailed to a wooden cross and dying in a physical sense.

so Laura Knight Jadczyk chips in her two cents

tnx so much ; )

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Posted by GoingOn (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
<snip>
perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

RedeZra, would you be willing to participate in a new thread, to discuss some of your thoughts? While I may bore you to tears, I suspect I would enjoy the discussion

It just seems to me that what I'm interested in (such as the statements I've quoted here) are not 100% in alignment with the original purpose of this thread. I make lots of mistakes and am open to being corrected on this.

sure go to my Bible thread in the spiritual section ; )

[Houman]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
The culprits of such orchestrations... Lizzies.

One of the first "religious" texts (still available) to mention these beings appear to be the Vedic texts (they are called Nagas)

[Houman]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Houman (here)
Ritual anointing with sacred oil is documented as fulfilling an important role in the religious ceremonial of Egypt. From Pyramid texts of the early third millenium B.C.E., to Gnostic documents of the Christian era found at Nag Hammadi, anointing can be shown to provide sanctification and give authorization for ascent to the gods and inclusion in their company.
...

perhaps the Egyptians picked up the ritual of anointing from Joseph son of Israel

but i suspect satan is a big copycat of God

it's just that he twists truths

The other explanation would be that modern day Christianity is the result of a Syncretism (as perhaps Judaism was)...

from http://jdstone.org/cr/files/mithraschristianity.html (see also http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/mithraism.html)


"Mithras was born in a cave, on December 25th, of a virgin mother. He came from heaven to be born as a man, to redeem men from their sin. He was know as "Savior," "Son of God," "Redeemer," and "Lamb of God." With twelve disciples he traveled far and wide as a teacher and illuminator of men. He was buried in a tomb from which he rose again from the dead -- an event celebrated yearly with much rejoicing. His followers kept the Sabbath holy, holding sacramental feasts in remembrance of Him. The sacred meal of bread and water, or bread and wine, was symbolic of the body and blood of the sacred bull.
"

1) Hundreds of years before Jesus, according to the Mithraic religion, three Wise Men of Persia came to visit the baby savior-god Mithra, bring him gifts of gold, myrrh and frankincense.

2) Mithra was born on December 25 as told in the “Great Religions of the World”, page 330; “…it was the winter solstice celebrated by ancients as the birthday of Mithraism’s sun god”.

3) According to Mithraism, before Mithra died on a cross, he celebrated a “Last Supper with his twelve disciples, who represented the twelve signs of the zodiac.

4) After the death of Mithra, his body was laid to rest in a rock tomb.

5) Mithra had a celibate priesthood.

6) Mithra ascended into heaven during the spring (Passover) equinox (the time when the sun crosses the equator making night and day of equal length).


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“During the 1st century BC, a cult of Mithra, made much progress in Rome, after enduring persecution, when some Emperors adopted the religion... Mithra became very popular among the Roman legionaries and later even among the Emperors. The worship of Mithra was first recognized by Emperor Aurelian and he instituted the cult of "Sol Invictus" or the Invincible Sun. Emperor Diocletian also a worshipper of Mithra, the Sun God, burned much of the Christian scriptures in 307 A.D.

This enabled Emperor Constantine to merge the cult of Mithra with that of Christianity that was developing much. He declared himself a Christian but at the same time maintained his ties to the Mithra cult. He retained the title "Pontifus Maximus" the high priest. On his coins were inscribed: "Sol Invicto comiti" which means, commited to the invincible sun.



This new blend of the two faiths, he officially proclaimed as Christianity. Christianity spread all over the Roman Empire and Eastern Europe by massive persecution and brought an end to a variety of religions that flourished there. [...]

Until the fourth century, Mithra and Christianity were distinct but after Constantine, the two cults were blended to form the new faith that was to conquer most of the world.”

[RedeZra]

Posted by Houman (here)
"Mithras was born in a cave, on December 25th, of a virgin mother. He came from heaven to be born as a man, to redeem men from their sin. He was know as "Savior," "Son of God," "Redeemer," and "Lamb of God." With twelve disciples he traveled far and wide as a teacher and illuminator of men. He was buried in a tomb from which he rose again from the dead -- an event celebrated yearly with much rejoicing. His followers kept the Sabbath holy, holding sacramental feasts in remembrance of Him. The sacred meal of bread and water, or bread and wine, was symbolic of the body and blood of the sacred bull.
"

Mithras was big in Rome

but it was a not well known underground cult complete with initiation rituals grades and secret handshake


Jesus was not born December 25th

but all the sungods were said to be born on the winter solstice


Mithras might be from Zoroaster and is just another god and no Jesus ; )

[9eagle9]

I'm in paradise now and you're still here.

[RedeZra]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
I'm in paradise now and you're still here.

no avalon is not paradise

but i can take break ; )

[9eagle9]

Lol..the Kingdom of God is all about us, save for Avalon right?

I'm pretty sure you could take a break but I'm pretty sure you won't. Programs are like energizer bunnies, they just don't stop and their host can't make them stop.

[9eagle9]

In addition to Mithras cult we had the Zoroaster cult (also born of a virgin and immaculate conception and blah blah) .

Where the flesh become WORD (all programming is arranged around words--language).

Krishna of India (cut and paste Jesus story here for Krishna's back-story)

Osiris (Hourus) (cut and paste Jesus story here for Osiris back story)

Prometheus who was the Logos or the word who had a friend named Petrus (Peter) a fisherman who deserted him.

And many many others who have the same story or variants attached to them but are not as well known.

Buddha, Odin,Salivahana, Attis, Bacchus/ Dionysus

Quezalcoatl

(as a sampler if I listed them all you'd be reading all day)

then minor aspects that were scooped up and put into the blend Orpheus, Aesclepius,Issa,.

So all these people had the same story--a programming is running--Matrix program.. It just gets plastered onto the next 'messiah'. This not to say there wasn't anything unusual or ORIGIN-al about these people or that they were archons themselves. WHO-ever they were , became assimilated into a program.. Its to say the program had to be overlaid in order to blur what was actually occurring with them. Archonic energies can't Create --they can only re-create or replicate the program.

Anything that is Source related is a new experience, something authentic and original occurs ---what people call Miracles.

This is not new. It is obvious that Jesus story had a programmed overlay; his story is not new, nor does anything authentic or original occur in the Bible in relation to Jesus. It's just a repeat of another program --archonic programming.

That powers that be use archonic energies to rule the world. So the more we entrench in these programs instead of finding out the authenticity which is made known once you turn the program off.

These programs because they have an archonic entity attached to them don't like to be challenged, this how their reality stays in place. They anchor and attach through us we hold the space for their continued interference on this plane of reality. The moment the programs are challenged they go into disrupt mode--they do not understand anything outside of the program- so attempt to disrupt that challenge in various ways. Although evidence that something keeps happening over and over again is presented they cannot respond to the actuality but keep re-entrenching the program to get it to start playing again or at least to divert people's attention away from non-program related topics.

I don't care if you are talking about the price of a bag of potato chips if those driven under archonic energies perceive that discussion to be a threat to the program they have to to pop up and start soap boxing from the program script--SCRIPTures.

It's all in the word (logos). Programs are self evident.

Coincidentally we see this playing out in American politics as well. American politics and its governing bodies are loosely arranged around Christianity although in earliest developing days of the republic it was one nation under God (not Jesus or Christianity) but the slowly was assumed by Christianity that is never practiced but always brought up to crucify someone over the head with when they are not sticking to the program.

If there is a hint of blood sacrifice involved in any story you can be sure there's an archon attached to it. They are obsessed with blood (for various reasons--another topic). To say that archons have a vast interest in stem cells would not be too far out.

In watching archonic realms and their hierarchies they have their own evolution from being minorly pestersome to getting into the blood obsession where blood must be spilled. My own daughter uses to cut herself because of the archonic energies attached to her father, until I got her out of that environment.

Now we see a variant of the program playing out in the conservative and liberal parties of the US culminating in the Messiah (or president).

It's all a program and while the dresses and details of the mannequins involved changes (because archons can't change they can only repeat) it just appears that something new is occuring.

[ljwheat]

This thread has turned into crap. And all of us have shown how religion creates war, micro here -- macro in the world of lies and lies no one has the truth, there is no truth, only the universe, nature and the ( is ) humans have left themselves out of the equation by to much thinking and no breaks to stop it with. And so nature and the universe will continue to walk away from our noise. Bla bla bla bla bla.

Way do we have to cross over each others back yard fence anyway simply stay in your own back yard, and put your noses back in your pants were they belong. I’m sorry but you people love to here yourselves talk when no ones listening to you any way or will it change the color of your skin. Or mine. I still wipe my but the same way I learn years ago, and dammed if I’ll let anyone show me how to do it any different-- it’s my but and personal, wipe your own. Or shoot me in the next war your starting at the moment.

Who ever lays the sword down will live, it would be a better world if we were all deaf mutes at this point, instead of intellectual idiots over meaningless words of what end you crack a stupid boiled egg from, methinks.

We are all looking like a bunch of ring ling circus clowns going on like this for thousands of years bla bla bla then it turns into shoot shoot die you infidel die. And if no one reads this --- its no different than a tree falling in the woods and no witness to it's fall anyway. And no one gets upset.

6 pages of pointlessness and growing still. Some one has to stop going after the pointless last word for war’s to end and to get back to breaking bread together.

Is anyone here still awake or have we all gone made, and fallen back into our old ways of blindness? rolling eye's and backing away, lets all have a nice day anyway> John XXX

[9eagle9]

It's pointless in regards to those who so programmed and mindlessly intent on spreading the infection.

For that one out of one thousand people who the ability to know it just an ongoing running charade they are certainly owed some support, some acknowledgement they aren't insane, or damned or sinners, but possessed of a capability of seeing through the wool that's been tossed over everyone eyes. That is by their choice not by ignorance.

I don't kid myself into thinking I can do something about those who spread the infection, the only thing I can do is assure people who see the infection they are not somehow morally incorrect for nailing the infection for what it is. Like they are some sort of monsters for refusing the virus that others willingly accept into themselves.

After all the **** imposed on them they are owed at least that much after all these thousands of years of empty promises.

So yes Wheat is IS ****.

It's ****. So we can ignore that its **** or we can look it in the eye and say Yep its ****. It won't change the fact that it is ****, you can't changed **** into wine, but people at least can know they can trust themselves and know they are correct in saying "No thanks' when a platter of **** is handed to them.

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The truth will get the last word.

It always does.