How do you feel about the Vatican, Politicians and Illuminati?

[RedeZra]

Posted by IndigoStar (here)
I propose that we send love to the pope. We send positive thoughts to the illuminati. We thank them all for providing us with this wonderful opportunity to break free from oppression. They have taught us a lot. They have allowed us to grow spiritually from this challenging situation we have found ourselves in. As a result, the universe has expanded.

let us not condone evil but protect our children ourselves and communities from monster behavior

i'm afraid humans have been influenced and people in power possessed by invisible evils

and we lack the means and method to combat these dark forces


we are up against an incredible organized crime empire who have taken over almost every government and religious institution in the world

the controllers are not human but the goal is total control of the population

[IndigoStar]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
let us not condone evil but protect our children ourselves and communities from monster behavior.

I am not proposing that we condone evil. I am proposing firstly that evil does not exist, merely different experiences.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
i'm afraid humans have been influenced and people in power possessed by invisible evils.

Fear is your emotion behind your ill-feeling towards the 'evils' you perceive. Fear is an ego driven emotion.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
and we lack the means and method to combat these dark forces.
we are up against an incredible organized crime empire who have taken over almost every government and religious institution in the world.
the controllers are not human but the goal is total control of the population

We have the means and methods to 'combat' the 'dark forces.' The means and methods are those I have described. Love and focusing on the moment that is now.

For eons humans have been repeating history - committing crimes, identifying the evil doer, punishing them and then what happens? A new evil doer appears to replace the one that was killed or punished or banished or removed. If we use the same technique this time, history will only repeat itself again. It is time for a new approach. We need to break free of this cycle.

When you divide humanity into good/bad, us/them, wrong/right you are creating a divided world. You can either be on one side or the other. This model does not have space for peace. This model is ego driven. The true controller is the ego mind. When you identify 'them' as wrong and yourself as 'right,' you feel an elation, a kind of inner boost, that you somehow are BETTER than the other person. That is your ego. That is also the reason people bully others, if I call you an idiot, a gay, an anything...the mere fact that I'm calling you that in a negative way shows that I am not that thing, therefore I am superior. I feel better then (or my egoic mind does).

We must transcend division, we must transcend the basic concept of right/wrong, good/evil. We must transcend our own egos. That is how we will 'win.'

[IndigoStar]

Posted by Whiskey_Mystic (here)
And when she died, my teacher said "I hope someday you know what this feels like".

Thank you for sharing that story Whiskey_Mystic. I like this line the most. If we always want the perpetrator to experience the suffering we endure, the cycle is continuous. You suffer, so I suffer, so you suffer, so I suffer. I think it's time to change the theme of the circle - you love, so I love, so you love, so I love. It takes strength, courage and wisdom to break free from the cycle of suffering. And like you said, it takes the ability to see the bigger picture.

[IndigoStar]

Posted by Mozart (here)
I would not hesitate to kill any of those bastards on the spot to protect our kids. Eff 'em! I do not want those dark bastards effing with us anymore!
So if it takes stomping one's boot on their throats and stabbing them in their hearts with pitchforks to stop them, then that's what it takes....

~Mozart

That which you hate, you become...you talk of stabbing people in their hearts with pitchforks. That sounds like something that the 'evil' people would do to me.
Becoming them does not stop them. They are like a cancer cell. They mutate and grow and take over the pure cells. If you were to kill in that way you would become part of the cancer.

[IndigoStar]

Posted by spiritwind (here)
My motto is walk softly but carry a sharp stick. Yes I pray for those who oppress others, knowing this is but a grand drama we have all chosen to be a part of and I believe is soon coming to an end, but if they were at my doorstep I would make every effort to stop them from coming in the door to harm my family.

If you are carrying a sharp stick you are already contemplating becoming a murderer. It's like having one foot in the door of the vatican saying I don't like you but I'm leaving the door open in case I want to come in and join do.

I'm not saying I wouldn't defend my family. I'm not saying don't protect your family. But when you remove the fear, you remove the need to protect. Fear is an emotion created by your ego so that it can stay in control. What is it that you ultimately fear....death? Death is merely re-birth. There is nothing to fear. There is no need for violence. We can choose to create a peaceful world, but to do so we have to put down our sharp sticks. Then we have to open our arms to embrace our enemies. The ones that are the hardest to love are the ones that need it the most.

[Lifebringer]

I agree. TuTu and others have said it many times, to remain neutral is to give consent. I don't like being in a helpless victim status. I am martial artist and like a ninja am a believer of Christ the Son of God, however have been a victim of too many crimes against a woman, and refuse to be the gullible sweet woman and submit to domestic violence or other horrific things "this material world does to us. I have 5 daughters and they too know how to "not be a victim."
What I've found was this human being planet was to be for peaceful minded beings on the way to achieving awakening by God without wars or fighting. Well you see how all that turned out. Lucifer came down and screwed that with his minions, but forewarning is forearmed spiritually and there is that dual world thingy also. So since the evil/rebellious one taught us war and lived by the sword, Jesus the King of Kings and Lord of Lords will ride in and end this madness soon in the spiritual. Choice to do other things besides bad things have become few and far inbetween for the youth and 30 somethings.
This fake world of fairy tales, lies and deceptions, does not deserve neutrality from the inhabitants, but a very firm repremand to arrest those responsible, with some good ole fashion Divine Intervention and prayer for our Heavenly family to act on behalf of God/Jesus/Yashuah.
The courage of the people is it's strength in truth and justice and universal law.

[IndigoStar]

You base your opinion on past events because that is how your egoic mind identifies itself. It is who it wants you to believe you are. That is a false identity. When you let go of the past you will release the hurt that you are carrying around with you. It's like carrying around hot stones, waiting for your enemy to appear so that you can throw them at him. In the meantime you burn your own hands.

Posted by Lifebringer (here)
Jesus the King of Kings and Lord of Lords will ride in and end this madness soon in the spiritual.

The egoic mind is based in past and future. Past is all the hurt you experienced which made you feel a victim. Future is hope that someone will come and save us. When you let go of both ideas and focus your intention 100% in the current moment you will experience a weight lifting off you. You will feel the truth that you are really are. And that's how change will come. The future doesn't exist. All that exists is one continuous now. You are the one that will save yourself. When you realise this. You are Jesus. You have christ consciousness within you. Only you can choose to end this madness in the spiritual. Not in the past. Not in the future. Now.

Recognising the drama that is playing out with 'good' vs 'evil' is one step towards a higher consciousness. Moving beyond that to realising that we are all one, all inter-connected and everything affects the whole is a step to another level of consciousness beyond the awareness of the drama.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi IndigoStar, most excellent thread! And a most needed one as well, especially in this time. For whatever reason I've never really chosen to delve into Eckhart Tolle's stuff, but it looks as if we come straggling up to this point from many a different direction. Doesn't really matter which one does it?

Only in the last few months has it really begun hitting home, and hitting deeply home at that, what you are so elequently talking about here. Personally, atleast so far anyway, my calling on this is not so much based in sending "them" love, but in holding an energetic place for them out of compassion for their long suffering. Like saving a seat on the bus so to speak.

There's like a little visual parable stuck in my head, and it goes something like this: I patiently wait while my brother endlessly wails his head into that old brick wall. When the moment finally comes, and it will come, where he stumbles backwards, dazed and bleeding, wondering just what in the hell is happening and what he is doing, I'll gently take him by the hand and we'll head for home.

When the two prodigal sons finally arrive home, where there was always a light left on for them, to their astonishment they realize they were actually just one...THE Prodigal Son.

Cheers,
Fred

[IndigoStar]

Yes Fred,
Just as people awaken to the drama/illusion that is playing out in 3d only when the time is right for them on their path of evolution, so too can they only awaken to the truth beyond that, to the deeper/high level of awareness when the time is right. I don't know if me pointing it out can really influence it. Maybe it can only happen when the time is right.
I hope that my words serve to awaken something deep within those that are concious of the matrix, allowing them to delve deeper and become part of the solution.
I patiently wait for my beloved brothers and sisters.

- and I am sure that there are many deeper levels of awareness awaiting us beyond this one! An infinite journey of bountiful creative expression!

[RedeZra]

Posted by IndigoStar (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
let us not condone evil but protect our children ourselves and communities from monster behavior.

I am not proposing that we condone evil. I am proposing firstly that evil does not exist, merely different experiences.

wow where to begin

where have you been ?


this is basic stuff you know

good and evil

in fact it is this knowledge that makes us human

[IndigoStar]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
wow where to begin. where have you been ? this is basic stuff you know. good and evil. in fact it is this knowledge that makes us human

Good and evil are constructs of the mind. It is like an illusion to allow us to experience a world of duality where provides us with a learning opportunity. Your thoughts create your reality. When you see through the illusion that is merely 2 sides to the same coin your consciousness expands and you can move to a place of peaceful creation, ending duality and living in oneness. That puts an end to the 'evil' that you want to fight.

Have you ever tried to explain the concept of the new world order to your family and friends, to make them understand what is going on right before their very eyes, but they are unable to see? And now that you see you want to help them awaken to the truth of reality?

That is what I am trying to do but on a deeper level. Take you to the next step. And there are many more steps beyond....

[danceblackcatdance]

good and evil are just the opposite sides of the same coin, you're saying the 'love' vibration is accepting the whole coin for what it is?

[RedeZra]

Posted by IndigoStar (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
wow where to begin. where have you been ? this is basic stuff you know. good and evil. in fact it is this knowledge that makes us human

Good and evil are constructs of the mind. It is like an illusion to allow us to experience a world of duality where provides us with a learning opportunity. Your thoughts create your reality. When you see through the illusion that is merely 2 sides to the same coin your consciousness expands and you can move to a place of peaceful creation, ending duality and living in oneness. That puts an end to the 'evil' that you want to fight.

it sounds so nice but are you sure this is reality and not just a concept of reality

in other words are you sure what you are saying is true and not a lie

who is your source for this understanding

or who is your idol ?

[IndigoStar]

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)
good and evil are just the opposite sides of the same coin, you're saying the 'love' vibration is accepting the whole coin for what it is?

I'm not sure I'd call it the 'love vibration' because everyone has their own personal understanding of different terms, and that is why it gets difficult to put these concepts into words. What that expression means to you could mean something quite different to another person. But I think you've got it!

We are the coin! The coin has become conscious of itself, so the coin no longer wants to beat itself from both sides. You are you. I am me. We are each other. With that understanding comes peace, acceptance and unity.

[IndigoStar]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
it sounds so nice but are you sure this is reality and not just a concept of reality.
in other words are you sure what you are saying is true and not a lie.
who is your source for this understanding?
or who is your idol ?

The only thing I know for sure is I know nothing. I speak from experience. When you have felt what I describe there is no doubt about the true nature of reality. It cannot be understood. It can only be felt. I have no idols. I am everything. Everything is me. Attachment to belief systems is limiting. Embrace all.
I speak my truth. I know no other.

It is good that you question in this way. Believe nothing. Question everything.

[Alie]

Please note --- I understand your idea completely. In my everyday life I am a non-confronter. However, as I become awake to the atrocities foisted upon mankind by the vatican, politicians and illuminati, I can not not thank them as a 3D soul.

If we were to agree that we all are playing a role on this 3D stage of life, then I believe actions require actions rather than thinking thoughts while the other side acts.

So here's a scene ...

The Vatican actors, elite politician actors and illuminati actors start a bonfire. Then they bring a few babies and beautiful little children from offstage. Then they brutally rape all of them. Then they cut their jugular veins and drink the blood. Then they throw these innocent children into the bonfire. Then they continue their orgy ... laughing and making merry.

Ok, now we, as the actors playing the awakened group of humanity, come from all over the playhouse onto the stage and thank them for their service to humanity for what they just did to the children.

NO! This is not an action that I believe is scripted. Maybe it is, but I just can't imagine the audience would buy it.

If I were writing the script --- at least for me, Alie --- I would have Alie come from back stage with a sword and behead them.


I think the final scene should be in this 3D world play should be rounding up these people and showing them pictures, videos, holograms, of their crimes against humanity and especially what they did to all the innocent children.

It is said that there is a lake of fire. Maybe that is the closing scene, I don't know.


Here is a thread by Houman, endorsed by Bill Ryan regarding these atrocities.

[spiritwind]

Posted by IndigoStar (here)

Posted by spiritwind (here)
My motto is walk softly but carry a sharp stick. Yes I pray for those who oppress others, knowing this is but a grand drama we have all chosen to be a part of and I believe is soon coming to an end, but if they were at my doorstep I would make every effort to stop them from coming in the door to harm my family.

If you are carrying a sharp stick you are already contemplating becoming a murderer. It's like having one foot in the door of the vatican saying I don't like you but I'm leaving the door open in case I want to come in and join do.

I'm not saying I wouldn't defend my family. I'm not saying don't protect your family. But when you remove the fear, you remove the need to protect. Fear is an emotion created by your ego so that it can stay in control. What is it that you ultimately fear....death? Death is merely re-birth. There is nothing to fear. There is no need for violence. We can choose to create a peaceful world, but to do so we have to put down our sharp sticks. Then we have to open our arms to embrace our enemies. The ones that are the hardest to love are the ones that need it the most.

I didn't say anything about leaving the door open.
It's no different than going for a walk where there might be cougars in the area. Yes, we do create our own realities but from all appearances it doesn't look to me like we're quite there yet (being able to consciously always create what we want/avoid what we consciously don't want - at least I'm not). I have a friend who spouts this all the time and yet she hasn't been able to lose weight eating whatever she wants which she should be able to do if her beliefs were strong enough. Plus, how about the Native Americans who were given blankets infected with smallpox. They didn't even know what smallpox was but they still died. Not saying we shouldn't be striving to move towards what you are saying. Just because I might chose to defend my family against someone with the intent to harm or kill doesn't mean I harbor hate in my heart towards them. I also recognize that I will probably have some karma to reckon with as a result. I don't think there is ever one right answer for every situation, but that's just my opinion.

[RedeZra]

Posted by IndigoStar (here)

The only thing I know for sure is I know nothing. I speak from experience. When you have felt what I describe there is no doubt about the true nature of reality. It cannot be understood. It can only be felt. I have no idols. I am everything. Everything is me. Attachment to belief systems is limiting. Embrace all.
I speak my truth. I know no other.

ah euphoria ; )

i'm glad you're feeling well

but life is not only emotional


it is also physical (body) mental (soul) and spiritual as in spirit

we are walking talking trinities

made in God's image


God hates evil ; )

[another bob]

Someone asked the following question to the Dalai Lama:

"How does a person or group of people compassionately and yet straightforwardly confront another person or group of people who have committed crimes of genocide against them?"

DL: "When talking about compassion and compassionately dealing with such situations one must bear in mind what is meant by compassionately dealing with such cases. Being compassionate towards such people or such a person does not mean that you allow the other person to do whatever the other person or group of people wishes to do, inflicting suffering upon you and so on. Rather, compassionately dealing with such a situation has a different meaning.

When a person or group of people deals with such a situation and tries to prevent such crimes there is generally speaking two ways in which you could do that, or one could say, two motivations. One is out of confrontation, out of hatred that confronts such a situation. There is another case in which, although in action it may be of the same force and strength, but the motivation would not be out of hatred and anger but rather out of compassion towards the perpetrators of these crimes.

Realising that if you allow the other person, the perpetrator of the crime, to indulge his or her own negative habits then in the long run the other person or group is going to suffer the consequences of that negative action. Therefore, out of the consideration of the potential suffering for the perpetrator of such crimes, then you confront the situation and apply equally forceful and strong measures.

I think this is quite relevant and important in modern society, especially in a competitive society. When someone genuinely practices compassion, forgiveness and humility then sometimes some people will take advantage of such a situation. Sometimes it is necessary to take a countermeasure, then with that kind of reasoning and compassion, the countermeasure is taken with reasoning and compassion rather than out of negative emotion. That is actually more effective and appropriate. This is important. For example my own case with Tibet in a national struggle against injustice we take action without using negative emotion. It sometimes seems more effective.

One of the reasons there is a need to adopt a strong countermeasure against someone who harms you is that, if you let it pass, there is a danger of that person becoming habituated to extremely negative actions, which in the long run will cause that person's own downfall and is very destructive for the individual himself or herself. Therefore a strong countermeasure, taken out of compassion or a sense of concern for the other, is necessary. When you are motivated by that realization, then there is a sense of concern as part of your motive for taking that strong measure.

...One of the reasons why there is some ground to feel compassionate toward a perpetrator of crime or an aggressor is that the aggressor, because he or she is perpetrating a crime, is at the causal stage, accumulating the causes and conditions that later lead to undesirable consequences. So, from that point of view, there is enough ground to feel compassionate toward the aggressor."

[Fred Steeves]

Good one Bob, even in my own experience I've seen many times how trying to live a kind, compassionate life can be confused as being weak and a push over. Once that certain line is crossed, and someone becomes intent on taking advantage and running wild through your life, measured but appropriate action needs to be taken to make them cease in their efforts. And yes, this can, and should also be done with compassion.

Easier said than done of course, especially in the heat of the moment, but then we also need show compassion for ourselves when we fall short of this ideal. No one ever said it's easy huh?(LOL)