An exploration of Jesus, could he have been influenced by extra-dimensionals?

[9eagle9]

Jesus asked him, saying, "What is your name?" And he said, "Legion," because many demons had entered him. 31And they begged Him that He would not command them to go out into the abyss. 32Now a herd of many swine was feeding there on the mountain. So they begged Him that He would permit them to enter them. And He permitted them. 33Then the demons went out of the man and entered the swine, and the herd ran violently down the steep place into the lake and drowned.

Extracted from Scriptures to describe an interaction between Archonic Entities and Jesus.



The archons (many-legion) left the body of the man and re-organized themselves in a herd of swine. They identified themselves as legion--many. Archons cannot create they can only repeat and re organize. The legion went to re-legion in a herd of swine.

Instead of what is being told one observes what is being shown.

Especially in regards to re-legion

We also see that perhaps casting out is not sufficient to rid the world of archonic energies.

They just go and re-legion and re-organize elsewhere.

[noprophet]

I am fully of the belief that much of the modern bible, qaran, etc are mostly compilations of a variety of early kabalist/zoroastrian meditations. Much of the complex nuances are actually iterating very specific psychological details about the mental exercises being described.

An excellent example of this is the utility of "accepting"(using) the perspective of the world as literally being the body of god (skin of the serpent) and therefore all things presented to you from this (e.g. everything) being the literal word of god. This then allows for certain algebraic lines of conception to be drawn through an interpretation of reality that does not rely on defining a first principle (dogmas). Rather it looks at everything as the whole and then begins to define a variety of functions being performed by the whole without judgement of right and wrong within the dualistic aspects. (This is the kabalist principle that Jesus was created to represent)

We had some great info bouncing around over at the gate about this.

[Prodigal Son]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
That is an interesting perspective on the Jehovah's Witnesses. I would not in the least mind hearing more about that and how that developed.

I will be more than happy to share all that dirt... the problem is that we will be able to create a new continent of landfill with it.

I won't be online for the rest of today, but I wanted to leave the forum with this one thought that puts the whole Bible-tampering deception in a nutshell. I first learned this from Blavatsky but since then had it verified by a number of different sources.

There is a serious interpolation at Genesis 4:1, which I have bolded below, that completely changes its meaning..... please compare these 2 versions and notice the subtle, yet gigantic difference:

American Standard Version
And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with the help of Jehovah.

Darby Bible Translation
And Man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have acquired a man with Jehovah.

Those sneeeeks!!

[panopticon]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
There has been a long tradition of esoteric practitioners keeping the esoteric a secret. Not to preserve it from the elite (who are already aware of it ) but the willfully stupid who, under the influence of this 'lite ' satanic influence would corrupt and pervert it for reasons of self indulgence only.

I see that on this forum daily. Someone mentioned Reiki earlier. That is one form of esoteric practice that was revived spiritually in the 1800's. By the late 1990's the new age sheep had watered down and twisted the wisdom of inner healing to the point it was virtually useless. Those who learned Reiki before it was massed produced and packaged for the sheeple have a much different way of manifesting with it. You cannot speak a word of it. Having been a Reiki master before I climbed out of that energy, I have observed that a Reiki master with 40 years of practice under their belt in no way can correct a Reiki apprentice who earned a certificate in the modality in one day last week. Those 'new' to the practice are always correct even though they have no idea what they are practicing isn't even Reiki anymore.

However those who have attempted to preserve something that may cause some profound spiritual awakening have been persecuted by the greedy new age masses as being selfish and withholding what is rightfully theirs even though they insist they do not need the self mastery appropriate to said esoteria.

I'm sorry 9eagle9 but a thank you was insufficient. Well said!

[UnrealDreams]

I think one of the most controversial aspects of the character "Jesus" is that he said he was God. That ruffled a lot of feathers. The bible itself says that we were all created in the image of God. I believe this is what Jesus meant. We are Gods, but our true nature has been supressed by our controllers.

I wish people could be more like Jesus was, especially Christians. Why do some Christians go to church every Sunday, and then support the USA killing anyone on Earth to secure oil? These things are inexplicable. Practicing Christians should have only one goal, which is to be like Jesus every day. They should be forbidden from prostelysing to others until they achieve this goal. The world would be an awesome place if Christians tried to be like Christ. As it is, Christians are a major contibutor to the problems going on today.

Thank you for having a thread where I can release the true feelings I have had since I was a boy. I could never say this in the presence of religous folks. I believe I can do all that Jesus did. I am his equal...we all are. Our true nature has yet to reveal itself.

[Chester]

Posted by UnrealDreams (here)
I think one of the most controversial aspects of the character "Jesus" is that he said he was God. That ruffled a lot of feathers. The bible itself says that we were all created in the image of God. I believe this is what Jesus meant. We are Gods, but our true nature has been supressed by our controllers.

I wish people could be more like Jesus was, especially Christians. Why do some Christians go to church every Sunday, and then support the USA killing anyone on Earth to secure oil? These things are inexplicable. Practicing Christians should have only one goal, which is to be like Jesus every day. They should be forbidden from prostelysing to others until they achieve this goal. The world would be an awesome place if Christians tried to be like Christ. As it is, Christians are a major contibutor to the problems going on today.

Thank you for having a thread where I can release the true feelings I have had since I was a boy. I could never say this in the presence of religous folks. I believe I can do all that Jesus did. I am his equal...we all are. Our true nature has yet to reveal itself.

I am not in agreement Jesus said he was God. Yes, in parts of the Bible, the character they portray to be Jesus says that, but this is where one has to discern "who" actually said something like that. I have read the non biblical gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library and the Jesus in those writings never makes that ype of statement.

Remember that reading a bible today has zero guarantee what you are reading is the actual truth as to what anyone may have actually said.

I would add another consideration too and that is when one reads these types of materials contemplatively in search of the mystical meaning within, sometimes one can come upon knowledge you can't even express in words. In those cases, the words that prompt such experiences can say anything but to take them literally would be a mistake.

just two cents from justone

[9eagle9]

"I am of God" tends to be the theme concerning Jesus.

Seldom is he referred to as son of God but....

Son of Man? Yes about 88 times .

There's a topic worth exploring. That represents a notion that Man is god and had his Son ?

Son of Man means that he was a human?

To be human means that one's core essence is divine?

Sun of man (illuminator) is even more appropriate? and may be were all the solar and astro-theology got tangled up in the mix.

. So if we are not further confused and falling in out of a number of rabbit holes.

Hu-man. The same way that sha-man may? That prefix has gotta mean something. I'd dearly love to pick the ear of someone who knew something of ancient languages.

[Lettherebelight]

Manushya in Sanskrit means 'human beings', people from this planet. There are other sanskrit names for inhabitants of other planets.


Latin....

Manus--man
Humus--earth

[9eagle9]

Earth men? As opposed to men that are not from earth?

[markpierre]

Posted by justoneman (here)

I am not in agreement Jesus said he was God. Yes, in parts of the Bible, the character they portray to be Jesus says that, but this is where one has to discern "who" actually said something like that. I have read the non biblical gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library and the Jesus in those writings never makes that ype of statement.

Remember that reading a bible today has zero guarantee what you are reading is the actual truth as to what anyone may have actually said.

I would add another consideration too and that is when one reads these types of materials contemplatively in search of the mystical meaning within, sometimes one can come upon knowledge you can't even express in words. In those cases, the words that prompt such experiences can say anything but to take them literally would be a mistake.

just two cents from justone

But do you remember the famous come-back line; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" That shut the bastards up. I like to think he really said that.
It sounds like him. Cheeky.

I think the controversy is over a statement like "I and the father are one." Tough one if you don't believe it. But I think it's kind of obvious, I think I've said that myself.
The Aramaic translation says “I and my Father, We are One.” Which doesn't really sound all that confronting.

It was a technicality anyway. It's a bit silly to interpret it with the same mind that was using it to indict. They were going to get him anyway. Politics.
It was the Zealots by the way, who did him in. Right time, right family, oldest brother, wrong message. They tried the 'illegitimate' angle, but he had the crowds.
He was supposed to add to it; 'so let's whoop-a$$ on the Romans' but he wouldn't.
So they tried that later on their own, and the Romans wiped them out. So there you go.

But he taught transformation. He taught (to paraphrase) 'don't try to change what you've been given, learn to use it'. There was a much bigger plan in effect than creating a perfect world.
The plan was to create a perfect 'you'. There is no 'imperfect world', and the illusion has nothing to do with imperfect people on it.
It has to do with misinterpreting a limited amount of data. Imperfect ideas in the minds of perfect creators look perfectly messy. It needs a radical solution.
That's what's changing. You see a bit deeper, you re-evaluate your position, you struggle a bit then you begin to relax, you start to let go of some of the dumb ideas.
The world 'appears' to change. The kingdom is within. Surprise!
It's a miracle!

[Beren]

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)

I am not in agreement Jesus said he was God. Yes, in parts of the Bible, the character they portray to be Jesus says that, but this is where one has to discern "who" actually said something like that. I have read the non biblical gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library and the Jesus in those writings never makes that ype of statement.

Remember that reading a bible today has zero guarantee what you are reading is the actual truth as to what anyone may have actually said.

I would add another consideration too and that is when one reads these types of materials contemplatively in search of the mystical meaning within, sometimes one can come upon knowledge you can't even express in words. In those cases, the words that prompt such experiences can say anything but to take them literally would be a mistake.

just two cents from justone

But do you remember the famous come-back line; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" That shut the bastards up. I like to think he really said that.
It sounds like him. Cheeky.

I think the controversy is over a statement like "I and the father are one." Tough one if you don't believe it. But I think it's kind of obvious, I think I've said that myself.
The Aramaic translation says “I and my Father, We are One.” Which doesn't really sound all that confronting.

It was a technicality anyway. It's a bit silly to interpret it with the same mind that was using it to indict. They were going to get him anyway. Politics.
It was the Zealots by the way, who did him in. Right time, right family, oldest brother, wrong message. They tried the 'illegitimate' angle, but he had the crowds.
He was supposed to add to it; 'so let's whoop-a$$ on the Romans' but he wouldn't.
So they tried that later on their own, and the Romans wiped them out. So there you go.

But he taught transformation. He taught (to paraphrase) 'don't try to change what you've been given, learn to use it'. There was a much bigger plan in effect than creating a perfect world.
The plan was to create a perfect 'you'. There is no 'imperfect world', and the illusion has nothing to do with imperfect people on it.
It has to do with misinterpreting a limited amount of data. Imperfect ideas in the minds of perfect creators look perfectly messy. It needs a radical solution.
That's what's changing. You see a bit deeper, you re-evaluate your position, you struggle a bit then you begin to relax, you start to let go of some of the dumb ideas.
The world 'appears' to change. The kingdom is within. Surprise!
It's a miracle!

100% agree.

Jesus did all that he could to awake average human being to the awesome fact the he / she is god. And God (with big G ) in becoming.
Being God means you have all power in all existence but also you are in the truth,love,life itself.
Wisdom is your prerogative .

That`s who we are.
Sadly some still argue this.

[shadowstalker]

Very impressive thread glad i stumbled upon it, thank you
And thank you again for the link
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

[Daughter of Time]

It is my belief that Yeshua was an alien hybrid (the good kind) and he really wanted to help this very troubled human race. Even my mother believes that Yeshua could not have been a human. He was much too advanced!

It is my belief that the virgin birth was also real. Miriam's eggs were artificially inseminated with alien sperm.

It is my belief that aliens (the bad kind) have been preying on us and feeding on the chaos they created for many millenia and Yeshua wanted to try to rescue us from them by changing our belief systems. He taught love and forgiveness and was not exactly a supporter of organized religions himself.

The evil alien races which were already overly abundant on earth did not like Yeshua being here. He was alike a thorn on their sides. So they got rid of him to discourage others from trying to follow in his footsteps.

This is all in a very tiny nutshell. I could go on and on about this but I find that very long posts are sometimes difficult to follow.

[shadowstalker]

My mom said on several account that he was from Venus, this was before she was sent into (thru fear) hiding from the MIB's

[Chester]

Posted by Beren (here)

Posted by markpierre (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)

I am not in agreement Jesus said he was God. Yes, in parts of the Bible, the character they portray to be Jesus says that, but this is where one has to discern "who" actually said something like that. I have read the non biblical gospels found in the Nag Hammadi Library and the Jesus in those writings never makes that ype of statement.

Remember that reading a bible today has zero guarantee what you are reading is the actual truth as to what anyone may have actually said.

I would add another consideration too and that is when one reads these types of materials contemplatively in search of the mystical meaning within, sometimes one can come upon knowledge you can't even express in words. In those cases, the words that prompt such experiences can say anything but to take them literally would be a mistake.

just two cents from justone

But do you remember the famous come-back line; "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" That shut the bastards up. I like to think he really said that.
It sounds like him. Cheeky.

I think the controversy is over a statement like "I and the father are one." Tough one if you don't believe it. But I think it's kind of obvious, I think I've said that myself.
The Aramaic translation says “I and my Father, We are One.” Which doesn't really sound all that confronting.

It was a technicality anyway. It's a bit silly to interpret it with the same mind that was using it to indict. They were going to get him anyway. Politics.
It was the Zealots by the way, who did him in. Right time, right family, oldest brother, wrong message. They tried the 'illegitimate' angle, but he had the crowds.
He was supposed to add to it; 'so let's whoop-a$$ on the Romans' but he wouldn't.
So they tried that later on their own, and the Romans wiped them out. So there you go.

But he taught transformation. He taught (to paraphrase) 'don't try to change what you've been given, learn to use it'. There was a much bigger plan in effect than creating a perfect world.
The plan was to create a perfect 'you'. There is no 'imperfect world', and the illusion has nothing to do with imperfect people on it.
It has to do with misinterpreting a limited amount of data. Imperfect ideas in the minds of perfect creators look perfectly messy. It needs a radical solution.
That's what's changing. You see a bit deeper, you re-evaluate your position, you struggle a bit then you begin to relax, you start to let go of some of the dumb ideas.
The world 'appears' to change. The kingdom is within. Surprise!
It's a miracle!

100% agree.

Jesus did all that he could to awake average human being to the awesome fact the he / she is god. And God (with big G ) in becoming.
Being God means you have all power in all existence but also you are in the truth,love,life itself.
Wisdom is your prerogative .

That`s who we are.
Sadly some still argue this.

Its possible the man who lived that we know of today as Jesus (and we have agreed in this thread that we accept the assumption he did live) did in fact emulate and espouse with words what you say here Beren, as well as the gist of what markpierre's post above said.

When I go within, I feel that this is true. I don't know it, but I feel it. Having said that, I would also say I have experienced similar truth from the legends/histories/accounts of others who have come before us as well as have experienced the same similar truth from folks who are alive today, including many who post on this forum.

justone

[Chester]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
It is my belief that Yeshua was an alien hybrid (the good kind) and he really wanted to help this very troubled human race. Even my mother believes that Yeshua could not have been a human. He was much too advanced!

It is my belief that the virgin birth was also real. Miriam's eggs were artificially inseminated with alien sperm.

It is my belief that aliens (the bad kind) have been preying on us and feeding on the chaos they created for many millenia and Yeshua wanted to try to rescue us from them by changing our belief systems. He taught love and forgiveness and was not exactly a supporter of organized religions himself.

The evil alien races which were already overly abundant on earth did not like Yeshua being here. He was alike a thorn on their sides. So they got rid of him to discourage others from trying to follow in his footsteps.

This is all in a very tiny nutshell. I could go on and on about this but I find that very long posts are sometimes difficult to follow.

Thank You very much for this post. Of all the possibilities I have considered, this is one that I am personally very open to. My concern has been, was (is) the being, Yeshua, (is) truly benevolent or is it possible, this being may simply be one of the "bad guys."

I bring forth this consideration because of the large amounts of reports of those who had "Jesus" or "Mary" components within the scope of an overall larger, negative experience as has been noted on Houman's Horus-Ra thread. I have meditated quite a bit on this and one of my current "guesses" fits in well with what you propose here, Daughter of Time. And that is that Yeshua was a indeed a hybrid (and more specifically a Syrian hybred birth that I understand is created from three beings) and that the archontic forces have taken advantage of the Jesus and Mary traditions via imitation.

Something to consider from the very open minded justone

[Chester]

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
My mom said on several account that he was from Venus, this was before she was sent into (thru fear) hiding from the MIB's

wow and amongst some of the same sources as the information I have received which I mentioned in my previous post, the Venusians were originally from Sirius.

But note: there are more than one Sirian alien groups and I am not very schooled in all that.

I also want to add that it is simply information I have come upon that I keep an open mind to and only that. Still... great to be open and speculative in this thread about any and all possibilities and was the foundational intent of this thread.

Thanks shadowstalker and Daughter of Time.

[Daughter of Time]

I am fully convinced that Yeshua was of the good kind. I do realize that too many horrible things have been done in his name. But horrible things seem to be done in the name of things that should be most sacred. Horrible things have been done in the name of love, in the name of God, etc.,

Christianity and its horrific history was not started by him but by the other side. They made poor, brain washed humans commit unspeakable acts in the name of God so they could feed on the energy of our pain. I don't think that's Yeshua's work at all. I am totally convinced it isn't.

However, I fully understand why you would think otherwise.

[markpierre]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Something to consider from the very open minded justone

Haha, if you open your mind too far, EVERYTHING may fall out.

I think you're on to something big.


Hey sorry, I should add something to help that make sense to anyone that might be listening.
A slightly different definition maybe?

A broad mind can hold a lot of varied viewpoints and information in consideration.
In an 'open' mind, nothing can get stuck. It doesn't need a viewpoint.
It feels like Teflon, if you can imagine that.

[Chester]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
I am fully convinced that Yeshua was of the good kind. I do realize that too many horrible things have been done in his name. But horrible things seem to be done in the name of things that should be most sacred. Horrible things have been done in the name of love, in the name of God, etc.,

Christianity and its horrific history was not started by him but by the other side. They made poor, brain washed humans commit unspeakable acts in the name of God so they could feed on the energy of our pain. I don't think that's Yeshua's work at all. I am totally convinced it isn't.

However, I fully understand why you would think otherwise.

Let me make clear my view - and this is just personal experience. Considering I have opened myself to archontic forces and had experiences of messianic complex and had experiences with a "voice" that my intuition at that time thought was God which later I concluded was just archontic forces, I am a bit gun shy about how to properly interpret any of my experiences. So please keep that in mind in the following.

Oh, and one more consideration - the fact that I was born in Texas and from a non practicing but still Christian family and was raised primarily in a Christian environment.

I would sometimes get in a state where I would call upon God and then, I am assuming because I want to see God through a real being, would call upon Jesus... and then I would get that goose bumpy feeling all over I later started to call "the shine."

The Shine state would happen sometimes when I experience something that seemed to have a high, moral lesson. Sometimes a movie could get me into that state, triggered by a key line that brought forth a critically important human lesson.

Sometimes I would witness a touching moment, like at a hospital or at some presentation where someone would be honored... and at a key moment that Shine would be triggered.

When I would have that, I always thought it was Jesus... or perhaps Christ energies would be a better word.

Now if you read any of my posts related to archontic attacks and how I created the opportunity for those via inappropriate interpretation of my experiences as it relates to the voice (and sometimes voices) as well as the uncanny synchronicities, and that my last experience was only a few short months ago where the voice drove me to almost killing myself, you might be able to understand why I am reluctant to trust anything.

But now that some time has passed, I am beginning to be open that I have experienced true, benevolent Christ energies (for lack of any better terms) as well as archontic attacks.

Now I am anything but a Bible literalist (as surely one would know if they have read some of my posts) but in being completely honest, it really seemed like a being people sometimes call Jesus (but maybe Jesus was just a single incarnation of this said being) was indeed with me in spirit and that's when I had those goose bump type experiences.

Having said all that, it would not at all surprise me this being is a benevolent ED, that this being may even be the Lord of the planet Earth perhaps, or something along those lines.

I just don't know and I am very, very gun shy.

If someone said I had to decide, I would say it was Christ Consciousness I experienced and that there is a being that is the entity manifestation of Christ Consciousness and that that entity may have incarnated as Yeshua.

That would not mean though that this being was and may still be the one and only resource we have to connect with Christ Consciousness. It also does not mean that others have never incarnated that were of the purest Christ Consciousness nor that we may not have those of the Christ Consciousness incarnate on earth today.

That's the way I lean in all this - stated as openly and honestly as I can do.

justone