Horus-Ra as the Archontic Alien Parasite: A follow-up interview with Maarit

[Houman]

Truman: I have two questions if it is okay with you.

1 Could you please elaborate on the technique that you use to recover your memories?

2 (that question is also for Bill) Could you please elaborate on the relations between Ron Hubbard, Jack Parson and Aleister Crowley?

Thanks,
Houman

[Hervé]

Posted by Houman (here)
[...]

... the relations between Ron Hubbard, Jack Parson and Aleister Crowley?

Thanks,
Houman

Sorry Houman, I am neither Truman nor Bill but I can shed some light on the subject with partial answers,

Crowley:

Terril Park | April 17, 2011 at 12:04 am |

In Scientology and the Occult lecture:

“The magical cults of the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th centuries in the Middle East were fascinating. The only modern work that has anything to do with them is a trifle wild in spots, but is a fascinating work in itself, and that’s the work of Aleister Crowley – the late Aleister Crowley – my very good friend.”
Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course, Lecture 18, “Conditions of Space-Time-Energy.”


Also:

“it’s fascinating work in itself, and that’s work written by Aleister Crowley*, the late Aleister Crowley, my very good friend.”

(*) The book recommended was The Master Therion, (published in London in 1929) later re-released as Magick in Theory and Practise.”

Then look at Crowleys comments which are very reminiscent of the Factors.
http://www.corax.com/tarot/index.html?naples-arrangement
LRH commented in far more understandable language, IMO.

Just trying to make the point that LRH stood on others shoulders. As stated in early books.

Crowley was not mentioned much for PR reasons I guess.

However, there are other accounts stating that Hubbard never actually, physically met A. Crowley. The thing is that Hubbard, who was a gifted psychic to start with, studied in depth whatever he could get his hands on having to do with the human mind, psychic and spiritual phenomena and determined to solve the riddle of what the hell a human being is made of. On his way, like many others, he started with healing himself from his war wounds.

This leads to Jack Parsons:

§Margaret | April 18, 2012 at 12:12 pm |

Here’s an interesting excerpt from Patterson’s “Robert A. Heinlein” biography (pp. 372-373):

“The war had been hard on a lot of people — though comparisons with blinded and disabled veterans of the fighting always made him [Heinlein] feel small. Hubbard was in the ‘wounded veteran’ category and deserved all the patience Heinlein could muster. When John Arwine came through Los Angeles, demobilized, in November [1945], Heinlein was glad to see him put heads together with Hubbard [who was living with Heinlein and Heinlein's wife at the time] and come up with a project that would provide satisfying and important work for themselves. [In an 11/20/45 letter from Heinlein to Cal Laning, Heinlein writes:]

“‘John Arwine and Ron Hubbard have whipped up a plan to organize all the scientists for the purpose of channelizing some of the rational thought for this [atomic weapons] crisis. I think they can accomplish it. They have organized CalTech already.’“

§ZenZone0 | April 18, 2012 at 1:11 pm |

Margaret; Your information is interesting. It is hard to tell what is true and not true.
I understood the non-PR version of Ron’s history ’45-’46 was: he was hanging out with Jack Parsons and doing black magic in Pasadena and getting involve with his to be second wife Sara Northrup. Now Cal Tech is in Pasadena.
Maybe the truth is a mix of both stories.

§Margaret | April 18, 2012 at 4:07 pm |

Zen, The truth is a mix of both stories. Hubbard’s short-lived interest in “black magic” was almost certainly a passing but genuine interest, but probably not something he ultimately took very seriously. Hubbard’s successful involvement with Naval intelligence early in the war[1] and also his connections into the sci-fi and scientist community (of which Robert Cornog was connected: in addition to being a member of the Manhattan Project, Cornog was friends with Heinlein and Parsons, and in fact, Cornog was living at Jack Parsons’ mansion at the time Hubbard moved in) would have made Hubbard a candidate (in the eyes of the intelligence community) to “inform” on guys like Robert Cornog. Cornog was suspected as early as 1945 of being a communist informant[2], which would have been pretty serious considering his involvement in developing the atomic bomb.

Whether “intelligence gathering on the suspected communists” was Hubbard’s underlying purpose for being at Parsons’ house is still speculative, but the known historical facts do fit together to make the theory work. I’m also sure that Hubbard had an interest in the whole “black magic” thing, but I think he recognized early on that any truths in Crowley’s black magic were something that were common in many ancient (eastern) philosophies/religions and so Crowley’s “black magic” on its own probably didn’t interest Hubbard too much.

Later, Nibbs (Hubbard’s estranged son from his first marriage) saw an opportunity to damage his father’s reputation by exploiting the societal fear of “black magic” and made it appear that black magic and Crowley were Hubbard’s primary influences in the development of Scientology. This was later propagandized by authors Corydon, Miller and Atack in their antagonistic biographies of Hubbard (using Nibbs’ family connection), and we still see this propaganda being repeated in Ortega’s blog and others around the net.

The truth is far simpler, imo, and much closer to Hubbard’s own statements on this period. His own statements acknowledge his having “wandered around and observing … the strange cults of Los Angeles”, his friendship with Parsons, his involvement with intelligence, and his passing interest in Crowley and black magic/mysticism as part of his overall search into the wisdom/truths of human knowledge.

The Radical Church of Scientology has downplayed Hubbard’s personal short-lived interest and involvement in “black magic” in 1946, by essentially denying it completely or not discussing it. And the anti-Hubbard propagandists have seized on the RCS’s incompetent and hagiographic handling of this period of Hubbard’s life by spewing their own strawman spin on these events.

So yes, there are elements of truth in both versions. But Hubbard’s involvement/interest in black magic was very minor in the grand scheme of his overall research, I believe. He may have moved into Jack Parsons’ house out of a genuine interest in black magic — or possibly as part of the “anti-communist paranoia” (and intelligence activities) of the day. Or perhaps the more likely truth: for both reasons.

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[1] Hubbard’s early period in WW II has been badly mangled by other Hubbard researchers/propagandists (Chris Owen [author of the website "Ron the War Hero"] is probably the most well-known propagandist of Hubbard’s war years and badly distorted Hubbard’s years in the Navy — especially the first year, in which Hubbard was in Naval Intelligence; Owen had taken his cue from Miller, who was largely relying on “research” from Gerry Armstrong). In fact, a sober view of Hubbard’s Naval record and the public record show that Hubbard was effectively successful on his first intelligence mission — though it certainly went awry when his ship was redirected to Australia instead of the Philippines as had been originally planned, and when he got caught in the middle of some “office politics” between the Army in Brisbane and the Navy in Melbourne. But Hubbard does appear to have “seen action” in Java and/or the Timor Sea in February 1942, and was in fact flown home from Australia to the U.S. in one of the planes used by the office of the Secretary of the Navy in March 1942. Hubbard doesn’t appear to have sustained any life-threatening injuries during this period, though he did get malaria and does appear to have sustained eye and foot injuries which stayed with him, intermittently at least, till after the war. These may have been enough for him to have been awarded the “Purple Heart (with palm)” in Australia prior to his leaving in March 1942. (BTW, I’ve personally researched all of the above — including going to the National Archives — and would be happy to supply documentation on the above, to anyone interested. — mesamarg @ earthlink . net.)

[2] Cornog was ultimately a victim of the U.S. “House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC)” (Nixon was a member, and had earlier partially won a Congressional election representing eastern Los Angeles by tying his opponent, Voorhis, to communism). The HUAC launched the witch hunting trials of the post-war 1940s which caused many dozen individuals and scientists to be labeled “communists” or “communist sympathizers” thus irreparably damaging most of their careers. The actual “crimes” of most of these individuals and scientists were largely politically-motivated and amounted to being friendly with known communists or communist sympathisers.


martyrathbun09| April 18, 2012 at 4:27 pm |

Margaret, you are the most credible of all L Ron Hubbard biographers in my opinion. You understand the great middle path, not to mention the Data Series (haven’t discussed the latter with you, but you certainly demonstrate application of it whether by coincidentally being quite logical or reading it or a combination).

Hope this help in shedding some light on the character.

[mountain_jim]

I had no awareness that Hubbard had any connection to Heinlein, whose SF writings started opening me up to reality-alternatives other than the normally programmed-in ones, in 4th grade or so, with his earliest fiction, and onward throughout his whole writing career output, all of which I read.

[mountain_jim]

This (excerpted) related discussion, with fairly wide readership, from Gordon Duff at Veteran's Today, posted today

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05...l-correctness/

The real conspiracies are so much worse than the ones the phony activists talk about, you would be scared to death. Thousands of phony internet sites, hundreds of phony “activists” exist only to send us all chasing our tales. The truth? If you think it involves birth certificates or mortgages, you are a dupe. What is it really? Even I get threatened when I get too close.

Some odd facts:

1.The primary religion of Jesuits, high ranking Evangelical Christians, members of powerful organizations (we all know the list), congress and the Pentagon is Satanism. The number of high level confirmations I have on this are frightening. The more “Christian” or “religious” people appear, the more Satanist they are.
2.Satanists are bad.
3.Bad means they are immoral, they commit hideous acts using their power as cover and have total control of our courts and law enforcement mechanism and the leadership of both political parties.

This is a fact, like it or not. Your favorite leader is probably a Satanist. How I am told you can tell is that if someone lacks biting intellect and charisma yet holds a position of power, they have turned to Satan for help.

Do I believe this? I am not a religious person, but this was the guy who first explained this to me. Others since have confirmed and confirmed and confirmed:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hw9VAn8z4PE

Excuse the 3 hours but ignoring a powerful belief that effects our lives every day more than simple denial. As Father Martin had told me years ago, when Christianity “quit delivering the goods,” wealth and power, those who seek wealth and power turned elsewhere.

If we are ruled, not governed, then it is by those seeking power, certainly we have seen the planet looted of every resource, real and imaginary with a Luciferian bent, organ theft, human trafficking, wholesale government sanctioned slaughter, poisoning of the earth, believing in Satan or following Satan isn’t so hard to accept when the evidence is overwhelming.

Who is our government, what is the source of world government, the financial cabals, the plots, the secret alliances, the reasons for the lies, the hate, war after war and religion always at the center of the worst of it?

But then, though the nature of all “religions of the book” is a belief in Satan or Lucifer and of demonic possession, it is politically incorrect to recognize it when it is staring you in the face.

This is one of the interesting points about both Iran and Israel. The “religious extremists” of both nations recognize Satanic threat. We hear nothing of this but it is curiously true. What is a genie or “jinn” but an infesting spirit, a fallen angel.

So, when Father Martin tells us the Church is Satanic or nearly so and we recognize a world that moves toward what could be described as Satanic rule where the cloak of righteousness is the clearest sign of utter evil, I can’t help but think of Dick Cheney carrying a bible standing next to Karl Rove with “little Bush” and Rummy behind them, even our religions are edited away through political correctness.

[AnthonyBacala]

This image can be viewed directly here for an easier, higher-quality viewing experience to aid in interpretation. http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...79721103_o.jpg



This image from my "reverse imaging" crystal skull collection is one of the most interesting, due to the various clear depictions of entities--most of whom appear to be negative EDs or ETCs (as Truman Cash has coined them to be)

In light of the information provided on this thread, especially concerning archontic forces and the apparent hierarchy amongst the various races and beings, I thought this would be a good one to share.

Now this is simply my interpretation of this particular image, and I offer any other input to expand upon what we collectively sense from this particular image. Let's start from the very top center of the image and work our way down.

I see an eye, as well as a UFO at the crown of a five headed (or more) being whose face is repeated, only facing different angles. Below it is the face of a being that is nearly three times as big. Upon zooming in, you can see the features much clearer. Regardless, you can tell that the being has deep set eyeballs. Where the mouth forms, a series of beings appear, depending on which point of reference you focus on.

From one view, I see a typical Gray. However, from a different vantage point, I see a feminine appearing being's face with an evil presence directly above her head with red eyes (which form the mouth of the large facial structure directly above) This feminine being appears to have her arms outstretched and reaching outwards to the sky, appearing pregnant and in a delivery position. This interpretation can be overlooked. Remember, you can see various images depending on your point of reference--that's why I welcome outside interpretations.

Finally, we arrive to the predator, as I refer to it. I see what appears to be a mantis-like being (possibly an archon???) feeding directly from the top of what appears to me to be a human entity's face. I can see this negative entity ending directly above what appears to be his brow line and eyes. The figure fades away at the shoulders.

One take is that this represents the parasite/hosts relationship and the hierarchy of these negative controlling forces.

Below the neck, appears a myriad of beings going all the way down to a bright central figure towards the bottom center of this image. Again, which beings you see depend on your point of reference. From this central, bright white being rainbows emanate, flowing and rippling away into the horizon. Where this trail ends, on both sides, a set of eyes appear.

If anyone recognizes anything, gets a message, meaning, or larger picture understanding from this image, I welcome your response.

[Hervé]

To condense Hubbard's work to an extreme, he derived from his research a practical, workable way of helping individuals reclaim their "self-determinism" instead of being kept running around under the drive of "other-determinisms."

This is usually translated into "empowerment," developing one's sovereignty, freedom of choice or, basically, how to get rid -- beside one's own -- of others' programmings, influences and unwanted interventions. That covers about everything touch upon in this thread.

The only other philosophy applied to alleviate human's travail coming close to Hubbard's technology that I have found is a very, very, very old one and that's the one transmitted down by the Hunas. See this book by Max Freedom Long: "The Secret Science Behind Miracles."

As some of you may know, it is from that very ancient tradition that Ho'oponopono was developed.

I'll repeat along with Bill: do not get anywhere near the official C of $. Get the older versions of the books in "used books" stores, etc.

[Hervé]

Some symbols from the Huna's perspective:


SYMBOLS AND THEIR HUNA SIGNIFICANCES

A. The cross as an ancient symbol of the low or subconscious self or spirit of man. The central line represents the physical body. The cross bar represents (1) the low self, (2) the shadowy body of the low self, and (3), the low voltage of vital force.

B. The cross with three bars was a symbol much used in ancient Egypt and later became the "Pope's Cross" of the Church of Rome. Its three bars represent the three selves of man, the three shadowy bodies used by the three selves and the three voltages of vital force used by the three selves. The dotted lines show how the formation gives also the triangle as a symbol of the same thing, but leaving out the center shaft of the cross, therefore symbolizing the state after death when the physical body is gone.

C. The cross with two bars represents the low and middle selves of man, also their shadowy bodies and two voltages of vital force. ("Cardinal's

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[paragraph continues] Cross" of the Church of Rome, as the single bar cross is the "Priest's Cross.") (The Greek Catholic Church uses a cross designed after the fashion of drawing K.)

D. The vine climbing up a cross (one bar), symbolizes the rising of the low voltage vital force of the low self to the High Self, here shown as a combined-duality in dotted lines above the cross. The leaf is to identify the vine as a vine and not a serpent, the latter not being a symbol of vital force because a serpent cannot split or branch out into three branches to symbolize the three voltages of vital force. The cluster of grapes or berries on the climbing vine represents the cluster of thought forms of a prayer, being carried, figuratively, up to the High Self on the ascending vital force or vine.

E. Vital force was also symbolized as water. Three waves are used here to indicate the high voltage of vital force used by the High Self.

F. The middle voltage of vital force used by the middle or conscious self.

G. The low voltage of vital force used by the low self and supplied to the middle and High Selves to be raised in voltage and used by them.

H. A pictorial representation of a single thought form of a nail.

I. Three associated thought forms of a board and two nails.

J. A large and complicated association of the thought forms that represent a house. It is a complicated "cluster" like this that is pictured as the grape cluster in drawing D.

K. Three crosses on the tips of the one-barred cross furnish a symbol to represent the three selves, the three shadowy bodies, the three voltages of vital force, and the physical body, all combined to represent a living man.

L. The triangle is similar in meaning to the three-barred cross if each side may be considered to represent three parts of the man, as the three selves for one side, the three shadowy bodies for another, and the three vital forces for the last. The figure of a man drawn inside the triangle is placed there to indicate the physical body, which is the base of the other nine elements during physical life.

M. The Father, Mother and child symbology is very ancient. In Huna it is to be seen in the idea that the High Self is a united-but-separate parental pair, the child being the lesser man composed of a low and middle self.

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THE HIGH SELF AND THE GROUP SOUL. ALSO ANCIENT SYMBOLS RELATED TO HUNA BELIEFS

A. Above three human figures appear three symbols of the High Self, one for each man. But, above this appears a single symbol for a High Self and from it a dotted line goes to each man. This latter High Self pictures the probable doctrine of Huna assigning a "group soul" High Self to the care and direction of the bodily processes of a related group of people. This High Self lays down the pattern of growth and directs in some mysterious way all the intricate bodily processes which, patently, are too complicated for the low self to understand and direct.

B. The High Self assigned to each person (or perhaps male-female pair) is indicated by the symbol of "eternal progress" over each man in the drawing individually. This High Self makes instant changes in the body of the man, upon proper request, and is able to influence the High Self of a less evolved order acting as the "group soul."

C. All animals, birds, insects, fish, etc., are supposed to have High Self "group souls" guiding them, just as the physical body and low self of man has similar guidance. The dotted lines extending from the symbols of the High Selves (C) indicate by their plurality the fact that each overlooks a number of creatures.

D. The High Selves acting as "group souls" (as materialized by Stewart's teacher in Africa when she used her Huna powers to act on the High Self of the local birds and cause them to gather in a great mixed flock on a

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hill--becoming visible with a vague bird head on a nebulous human body floating in the air) have been pictured as part human, and may have a beast head as in D, taken from a photo of Egyptian images on an ancient temple wall (the god Hathor's temple). The two feathers above the globe over the head of the hawk man suggests a representation of the dual High Self as the secret doctrine behind the exoteric feather symbol.

E. The symbology of ancient Egypt furnishes an excellent design to represent a prayer taking its flight to the High Self. It is indicated in the winged globe. The two serpents may represent the positive and negative in the basic flow of vital force. Or, the low and middle voltage of vital force, both of which are involved in making and sending the prayer thought forms, may be indicated by having two serpents.

F. The Sphinx may be a symbol related to the one of the hawk man (D), but reversed to give the head of a human and the body of a beast.

G. An Egyptian design in which the two serpents appear in connection with symbols of flower buds and small globes set forth to stress the idea of triplicity, perhaps pointing to the ancient Huna belief in three selves, three shadowy bodies, and three vital forces. The waved base for the design is strongly reminiscent of the Huna wave symbol for vital force.

H. This ancient symbol presents the winged thought form with the symbol of human force in union of the sexes. Because of the loss of clear and workable knowledge of the three voltages of human vital force, priests of several ancient religions guessed that the creative force used in procreation had something basic to do with praying effectively to the "gods." This seems not to be the correct assumption as the kahunas, whether male or female, worked their magic regardless of the use of vital force in sex. However, there was a Huna belief that the High Self of a man was composed of a male-female pair.

I. The familiar symbol of the winged staff and its two entwining serpents often embodies the winged globe as a part of its symbology. If the symbol of the High Self were placed over the staff, as in the sketch, the symbol would be fairly complete from a Huna point of view. It is interesting to note the fact that there were no snakes in Polynesia, and that snakes were not used as a symbol of vital force by the kahunas in their verbal descriptives of the mechanisms of their psycho-religious system of magic. It is to be assumed that they never used the serpent symbol or that they lost it after leaving the region of Egypt and living for some centuries in Polynesia. Probably, the use of the serpent came from non-Huna sources, for the kahunas had no word for "snake," although they had one for lizard-like creatures.

[Hervé]

This figure gives the connecting threads between the Hunas, ancient Celtic traditions and the Gypsies:

E. Vital force was also symbolized as water. Three waves are used here to indicate the high voltage of vital force used by the High Self.

F. The middle voltage of vital force used by the middle or conscious self.

G. The low voltage of vital force used by the low self and supplied to the middle and High Selves to be raised in voltage and used by them.

Ancient druids had a tattoo of wavy lines on their wrists which was likened to "snake" by some so-called "Saint" who boasted of having driven the "snakes" out of Ireland.

Old Gypsy masters described the radio-waves used by radio sets to play tunes and voices as "The little snakes that travelled through the air and get your radio to come alive."

There you have it: snakes, vines, wavy lines, etc... as symbols for EM WAVES!

Simple, isn't it!?

EDIT:

Another connecting dot with the Gypsy tradition:

“The figure 3 and its geometrical transcription – the triangle -- means “Life.” Numerous jewelries are constructed around that number. According to Tzigans, Man as a whole is constituted of a body which rots, a spirit which persists and an immaterial body as an interface between these two.” (Pierre Derlon; Traditions Occultes des Gitans)

[Rosco1]

This is for Bill Ryan:

Will you be interviewing Houman in the near future ?

It's rather extensive what he has given us here - I'm only on page 4

(sorry if someone has already asked this!)

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)
This (excerpted) related discussion, with fairly wide readership, from Gordon Duff at Veteran's Today, posted today

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05...l-correctness/

The real conspiracies are so much worse than the ones the phony activists talk about, you would be scared to death. Thousands of phony internet sites, hundreds of phony “activists” exist only to send us all chasing our tales. The truth? If you think it involves birth certificates or mortgages, you are a dupe. What is it really? Even I get threatened when I get too close.

Some odd facts:

1.The primary religion of Jesuits, high ranking Evangelical Christians, members of powerful organizations (we all know the list), congress and the Pentagon is Satanism. The number of high level confirmations I have on this are frightening. The more “Christian” or “religious” people appear, the more Satanist they are.
2.Satanists are bad.
3.Bad means they are immoral, they commit hideous acts using their power as cover and have total control of our courts and law enforcement mechanism and the leadership of both political parties.

This is a fact, like it or not. Your favorite leader is probably a Satanist. How I am told you can tell is that if someone lacks biting intellect and charisma yet holds a position of power, they have turned to Satan for help.

Do I believe this? I am not a religious person, but this was the guy who first explained this to me. Others since have confirmed and confirmed and confirmed:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hw9VAn8z4PE

Excuse the 3 hours but ignoring a powerful belief that effects our lives every day more than simple denial. As Father Martin had told me years ago, when Christianity “quit delivering the goods,” wealth and power, those who seek wealth and power turned elsewhere.

If we are ruled, not governed, then it is by those seeking power, certainly we have seen the planet looted of every resource, real and imaginary with a Luciferian bent, organ theft, human trafficking, wholesale government sanctioned slaughter, poisoning of the earth, believing in Satan or following Satan isn’t so hard to accept when the evidence is overwhelming.

Who is our government, what is the source of world government, the financial cabals, the plots, the secret alliances, the reasons for the lies, the hate, war after war and religion always at the center of the worst of it?

But then, though the nature of all “religions of the book” is a belief in Satan or Lucifer and of demonic possession, it is politically incorrect to recognize it when it is staring you in the face.

This is one of the interesting points about both Iran and Israel. The “religious extremists” of both nations recognize Satanic threat. We hear nothing of this but it is curiously true. What is a genie or “jinn” but an infesting spirit, a fallen angel.

So, when Father Martin tells us the Church is Satanic or nearly so and we recognize a world that moves toward what could be described as Satanic rule where the cloak of righteousness is the clearest sign of utter evil, I can’t help but think of Dick Cheney carrying a bible standing next to Karl Rove with “little Bush” and Rummy behind them, even our religions are edited away through political correctness.

Well, I debated as to whether I'd want to invest 3 hours to listen to a Jesuit priest. I am not a fan of the Catholic church. i was raised Catholic and have legitimate reasons to be angry.

However, although I walked away from the church as soon as I became an adult, I still held the belief that all the evil in this world is due to Satan and his minions.

That belief changed to all the evil in this world being due to aliens and their minions.

I could be wrong on both counts.

Are demons and aliens the same thing? Are Satan, Lucifer, Belzeebub, Mephistopheles, etc., just a bunch of evil aliens? I believe they are.

When i was in my early twenties, I knew of 2 young men (musicians) who joined a Satanic cult because of the rewards they were promised. And indeed their luck changed for the better very fast. But they were not happy with what was taking place in the rituals and decided to leave. The cult released them and wished them well. However, immediately after their departure from the cult, they became haunted by demons, voices, nocturnal invisible tortures, etc., and they both committed suicide. These are two separate cases. They did not join the cult together. I do not know the details of the rituals nor the details of the attacks because I was not friends with them. I knew one of them through other friends and he slashed his throat in front of his wife. The other one was someone I was told about.

It is the belief of many that a demon possession can occur simply because a Satanic cult sends the demon to possess a person.

It has been said by many experts that Satanic cults were started and are run by an alien race.

So if a satanic cult sends a demon to someone, then that demon must an alien minion, or, an alien itself, a slave kind of unphysical alien.

So to me, it's all one and the same.

I know this doesn't shed any light at all whatsoever on the problem of fighting evil or evolving it in any way. But I was wondering whether some of you would agree that demons are aliens.

[Chester]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
I know this doesn't shed any light at all whatsoever on the problem of fighting evil or evolving it in any way. But I was wondering whether some of you would agree that demons are aliens.

Hi Daughter of Time... throughout this thread is quite a bit of connections along those lines. Even further though to that is some considerations that so called "good" ETs and/or EDs are part of the same overall group some of us here loosely refer to as "archontic forces."

But back to your specific question, many posts in this thread indicate that many folks are concluding that "demons" were and are aliens. The subject is complex, and I have spent hundreds of hours trying to get up to speed and will be honest that I learn more and more every day, but each day I do learn more, I am able to connect more of the dots... questions I have come up with over the last 50 years.

One well respected researcher who also was an abductee, Karla Turner, has this piece about her on Project Camelot - http://projectcamelot.org/turner.html
and makes several recommendations including this one - "Educate themselves about the phenomenon; there is some control in knowledge."

Just give yourself time to start obtaining your answers because you will likely have to break through several preconceived ideas, ideas that are foundational to your ability to handle life... these beings have been behind the creation of an entirely false reality and so you will find layers of beliefs getting pealed away and then you'll think, "Ahhh, I got it now" but then a few days later discomfort can start to swell because all you have done is just peel away one layer of a multitude of lies bought. But you have taken some first brave steps that are key as fear is the primary tool they use against their targets. Anyway, I am newly recovering but i am working extremely hard on this process as I want to fully reclaim my soul. I believe it can be done. justone

[Daughter of Time]

Dear Houman,

I have been peeling layers for so long but it feels like I'm just beginning. And I clearly remember after going through past life therapy that some of it was utterly disturbing. But I guess that was just the tip of the iceberg. When will it all melt?

Well, one of these days I will maybe find the time to go through the entire thread. I looked at some posts but it seemed like too much to go through. I didn't get on it from the start but thank you for informing me that there are many references to what I said above.

[Hervé]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
[...]

I know this doesn't shed any light at all whatsoever on the problem of fighting evil or evolving it in any way. But I was wondering whether some of you would agree that demons are aliens.

There may be a distinction to be made when one considers the "elementals" which have no particular loyalties as to who to "serve" nor for what purpose. These are also described as Jinns in the Qur'an.

Now, whether or not these are aliens' or humans' minions is undetermined as far as I know.

Another possibility is that "demons" can be the result of either humans' or alien's creations such as golems or Tibetan monks' "servants" which sometimes get off with a mind of their own...

In any case, these entities "serve' someone else's whims and purposes, whether human or alien.

Hope this answers your question in part?

[Houman]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
But I was wondering whether some of you would agree that demons are aliens.

It basically depends on your definitions of alien and demons... depending on those definitions one may also say that angels are aliens (...and there are also many other critters "out there"...)

but yes according to Dr Malanga what we commonly refer to as demons are actually aliens (using a very broad/loose definition), this is from http://flashmentalsimulation.wordpre...g/adam-kadmon/


6&7 – Horus-Ra: chicken like head, very ugly and totally different from what you might have ever seen! Very tall, more then 13 feet, dark skin, almost violet. On the forehead has something like a Third Eye.
Great resemblance to the Egyptian deity, Horus.
This is just the biological body, inside resides “the real thing”, the bodyless alien: “Ra”. So this one we call it “horus-ra” ( it may be also called Shiva )
Horus-ra, in its real form ( bodyless, bidimensional, something like a dark ghost ) parasites the abductee. You carry it all over…
Has great mental control over the abductee.
Very mean.

8&9 – The “Growl” or The Fake Blond – 6 fingers. Very tall, very fair haired, very mean. Wears a long white gown. This is not a real body, It’s a machine made by Insects for another extra-dimensional alien which in its real form it seems like a dark spot floating in the air ( Castaneda’s voladores?)
It parasites the abductee thru a special joint on the back. Has great mental control over the abductee. This is the one from “The Exorcist”

And Dr Turner has also came to the conclusion that some "angels" are also aliens (again using a very imprecise definition) masquerading as such... (hence the title of her book "Masquerade of Angels")

Now there are many entities/beings out there: some not from this planet but "foreign" to us (to our perceptions and also much more "ancient" than us, so we may be "alien" to them ), some not from this solar system, some not from this universe, some not from this "dimension" (whatever that means), some not from this "reality" (whatever that means)...

"demons" and "angels" are basically terms loaded with the history/experience of our ancestors and constrained by their ability to comprehend things...

Houman

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
I know this doesn't shed any light at all whatsoever on the problem of fighting evil or evolving it in any way. But I was wondering whether some of you would agree that demons are aliens.

Hi Daughter of Time... throughout this thread is quite a bit of connections along those lines. Even further though to that is some considerations that so called "good" ETs and/or EDs are part of the same overall group some of us here loosely refer to as "archontic forces."

But back to your specific question, many posts in this thread indicate that many folks are concluding that "demons" were and are aliens. The subject is complex, and I have spent hundreds of hours trying to get up to speed and will be honest that I learn more and more every day, but each day I do learn more, I am able to connect more of the dots... questions I have come up with over the last 50 years.

One well respected researcher who also was an abductee, Karla Turner, has this piece about her on Project Camelot - http://projectcamelot.org/turner.html
and makes several recommendations including this one - "Educate themselves about the phenomenon; there is some control in knowledge."

Just give yourself time to start obtaining your answers because you will likely have to break through several preconceived ideas, ideas that are foundational to your ability to handle life... these beings have been behind the creation of an entirely false reality and so you will find layers of beliefs getting pealed away and then you'll think, "Ahhh, I got it now" but then a few days later discomfort can start to swell because all you have done is just peel away one layer of a multitude of lies bought. But you have taken some first brave steps that are key as fear is the primary tool they use against their targets. Anyway, I am newly recovering but i am working extremely hard on this process as I want to fully reclaim my soul. I believe it can be done. justone

Hi Justone,

Thank you. I will have to read the entire thread one of these days.

I have watched some interviews by projectcamelot in times past. Thank you for the link. I will check it out.

I will keep peeling away. I know it's a hugely giant onion that will seem to grow the more i peel it and with every peel more tears will be shed. But they're cleansing tears.

I also believe that reclaiming one's soul is possible. It's not only possible. It's necessary.

Love

[Houman]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Sorry Houman, I am neither Truman nor Bill but I can shed some light on the subject with partial answers,

Thanks AmerZo. Yes I am familiar with this, I wanted to get Bill's and Truman's take on this since it would seem that the "method" for "recovering memories" can actually be traced back to Crowley. Here are a few quotes...

Jack Parsons wrote to Crowley early in 1946:
“About three months ago I met Capt. L. Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time. Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.”


Biographer, Bent Corydon, explains:

“According to Ron Jr. his father considered himself to be the one 'who came after'; that he was Crowley's successor; that he had taken on the mantle of the 'Great Beast.' He told him that Scientology actually began on December the 1st, 1947. This was the day Aleister Crowley died.”

"Having allowed the mind to return for some hundred times to the hour of birth, it should be encouraged to endeavor to penetrate beyond that period" (Crowley). “After twenty runs through birth, the patient experienced a recession of all somatics and 'unconsciousness' and aberrative content.” “Thus there was no inhibition about looking earlier than birth for what Dianetics had begun to call basic-basic” (Hubbard).

See also Crowley's concept of "Magical Memory"...

"In my father's private circle," Ron Jr explains, "there were lots of mistresses. When I was younger, I participated in private orgies with him and three or four other women. His theory was that one has to open or crack a woman's soul in order for the satanic power to pour through it and into him. It got kind of far out, culminating in a variety of sex acts. Dad also had an incredibly violent temper. He was into S & M and would beat his mistresses and shoot them full of drugs."


(see http://www.rickross.com/reference/sc.../scien240.html)
"... The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: 'Do as thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.' It also comes from the black magic, from Aleister Crowley. It means that you are a law unto yourself, that you are above the law, that you create your own law. You are above any other human considerations."

[Daughter of Time]

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
[...]

I know this doesn't shed any light at all whatsoever on the problem of fighting evil or evolving it in any way. But I was wondering whether some of you would agree that demons are aliens.

There may be a distinction to be made when one considers the "elementals" which have no particular loyalties as to who to "serve" nor for what purpose. These are also described as Jinns in the Qur'an.

Now, whether or not these are aliens' or humans' minions is undetermined as far as I know.

Another possibility is that "demons" can be the result of either humans' or alien's creations such as golems or Tibetan monks' "servants" which sometimes get off with a mind of their own...

In any case, these entities "serve' someone else's whims and purposes, whether human or alien.

Hope this answers your question in part?

Dear Amzer,

I remember when going through past life regressions and the one in Egypt 2500 years or so came up. There were human sacrifices in which the person was brutally tortured until they rendered their soul which was then used to persecute whoever they chose. This discarnate being was to persecute the same person life after life after life. This type of discarnate persecutor is not a regular entity but becomes something like a demon. Am I confusing the theme here?

It's all so confusing!

As always, I thank you.

As Justone said: keep peeling away!

love and light

[Daughter of Time]

Thank you Houman for all your input.

Of course it makes perfect sense that if demons are aliens then angels must be aliens too. And of course we are alien to them. But we don't attack them and we don't feed on them. They feed on us. How can this universe have gotten so messed up? What's my point?

It's hard for me to perceive beings from another universe being here. Even more difficult is trying to imagine how this whole opera began. Again, what's my point?

I guess my point is that there is so much I simply do not understand and I hope someday I will.

Again, thank you for starting this thread.

[Houman]

Posted by Daughter of Time (here)
Thank you Houman for all your input.

Of course it makes perfect sense that if demons are aliens then angels must be aliens too. And of course we are alien to them. But we don't attack them and we don't feed on them. They feed on us. How can this universe have gotten so messed up? What's my point?

It's hard for me to perceive beings from another universe being here. Even more difficult is trying to imagine how this whole opera began. Again, what's my point?

I guess my point is that there is so much I simply do not understand and I hope someday I will.

Again, thank you for starting this thread.

Dr Malanga has spent a lot of time trying to answer those very questions...

as for the confusion...can this bear understand why its bile is being harvested?...

[Hervé]

Posted by Houman (here)

Posted by Amzer Zo (here)

Sorry Houman, I am neither Truman nor Bill but I can shed some light on the subject with partial answers,

Thanks AmerZo. Yes I am familiar with this, I wanted to get Bill's and Truman's take on this since it would seem that the "method" for "recovering memories" can actually be traced back to Crowley. Here are a few quotes...

Jack Parsons wrote to Crowley early in 1946:
“About three months ago I met Capt. L. Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time. Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.”

[...]

Thanks for the info Houman, I didn't know about Parsons' letter to Crowley which raises an interesting point about Nibs claiming having been raised in a satanic environment... that makes Nibs statements even more questionable, IMO.

Also, I wasn't aware of Crowley's precursor work in the unraveling of birth and gestation traumas in order to reach beyond.

I hope Truman and/or Bill have more infos.