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[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Borden (here)
Borden is grinning at Carmody. Hello, buddy. I love that you know those books.

Songsy, don't take our fights public, okay? You've been told.

Move along. There is no uncomfortableness here. Kapeesh?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SxxuYSTOPgI

*grinning*

"are you tryin' to say 'capice'? cos doan' do that, it hurts my ears when you do that'

[Carmody]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)

The Fremen prophecy foretells that one day a man will come, 'the voice from the outer world', the 'Kwisatz Haderach'. "He will look where we cannot — into both feminine and masculine pasts."

Frank was indicating that they had been breeding for, what was it, more than a few thousand years, in order to produce an offspring that was 'barely', in the genetic sense, male, but female. Not an uber male but one that had the sensitivity of the female but could peer down, through time, into the male side of lineage. Via being imbibed with the female capacity.

Herbert was apparently indicating that he was trying to insert some form of similar sensitivity into the male side of the duality, but that according to their understanding, the overall genetics indicated that it had to come from the female side of the genetic systems, it had to be born out of the female side.

Paul was not supposed to be born, his mother, lady Jessica, was to have a female child. Thus, for them, according to their breeding program ....Paul Atredies was never to have been born. This was a culmination point of their breeding program and he came one generation too soon, and was outside of their expectations and outside of their carefully laid plans, regarding control and positioning.

So the Bene Gesserit weren't taking the Fremen prophecy seriously? Is that the idea?

I believe they were. But the timing was off, according to their 'plans'.

and... 'the best laid plans, of mice and men....'

[Cerridwen]

I’m so glad I ordered that book, I can’t wait until it gets here!

I use to suffer from really bad headaches too, Borden. At the time the doctors didn’t really know what to label them as, they were my own special combination of all the different types. I’d get the knife behind the eye for a few hours, then it would dull down for a bit, and then build back up again. I had the sensitivity to light and nausea. The worst part was, once they started, they would last for weeks at a time. I would wake up in the morning with it, and then go to bed at night with it still there. Drugs would numb the pain a bit, but it was always still there just below the surface. The last major one lasted for 2 1/2 months straight. I went out on disability and was this close to a major mental break down from it all. I also know what you mean about going 'Sith' on friends, pain is ugly. I was at home for all of this during the whole 9/11 fiasco.

The time off of work and the psych Dr they made me see along with the regular Dr, really helped me figure out that stress was the major cause at the time. The hospital I was working at at the time had become a very toxic place for me. My body had figured it out, but my brain was being stubborn.

I went back to work with a new attitude and only lasted 3 more months. I got into a shouting match with one of my doctors over his behavior with a patient and gave my two week notice the next day. As soon as he found out that I was leaving, he wanted to know why. I told him I don’t get paid nearly enough for my skills here. He then asked me to come work for him at his private office. ( I really am very good at what I do.) I actually laughed out loud. I told him, he was one of the main reasons I was leaving and that he couldn’t afford what my pay would have to be to get me to work with him any longer. The look on his face was priceless. I patted him on the arm and walked away giggling. After that, if I got a headache, it went away that same day.

It took a few years longer and lots of studying to find the deeper reasons for those headaches. One day at a seminar it just clicked. For me, they stem from my ‘daddy abandonment’ issues and the stress they caused. Severe pain was an attention getter for me, as well as an excuse to retreat from the world and whatever was going on that I didn’t want to deal with.

Now, as soon as I feel that first stab, I stop in my tracks and say, wow I must be really stressed out over something. I acknowledge the pain and say “Thank you for getting my attention about the stress I must be under, I’ll do something about it. I don’t need you here any longer, you may go now. I promise I’ll deal with it myself, I don’t need to retreat anymore.” I swear, 10 seconds later, it’s gone.

[Carmody]

In the spirit of this thread, I will say that, this one's experiences say:

One could say that the works of fantasy fiction and science fiction have taken humankind and enabled it to place it's self, on an individual basis, into difficult situations that might exist as a paradox --in the given mind. Each life lived... is itself, of such a nature.

With the fictional works, contemplation of many alternative states and situations can be pondered. The given mind that is 'in-situ' with that given moment, time, and level of evolution (connection to the now), that is absorbing the test can then consider..and connect with that idea of evolution that is outre or out of the norm for their given 'real life' state. Specifically, concerning questions and situations that might not exist outside of the mind.

Thus a broadening of the base, and this may lead to more insights that will aid in elevation of evolution. A wider bigger base - bigger growth potential.

It is possible to think of it as a 'course in accelerated evolution base-form'.

The other one thing is that as we evolve, we create new phantasms, and as we reach the edge of our own given development, the idea of co-creation and ego body function co-mingle (inevitable). Phantasms of the mind must be tested against reality and some, depending on position, may be stronger than others, in the given mind. Eventually, with clear thought, all will fall, to the greater degree..and something that we cannot understand, from our current given base ...will arise and be the form of the given time. History has shown this to be true. It has also shown us that the probability of the immutable to be a limit that chains us, is also quite high. As time passes while in a given state, we tend to move from a probability of it being phantasm or self lie to being inevitably so.

As we reach the edge of the given mind's limits... the strength and shape of phantasms increase dramatically. So one must have and possess even more discernment, and be more careful. The body is merely doing it's job, it is trying to make sense out of unformed data or difficult situations. It possesses a data set, and tries to match the data to the image and ideals sets, to be interpreted by the 'thinking mind'. this is autonomous and below the thinking mind, with regard to conscious world awareness and extends well into what we call the bardo and the like, as this is a thing we are discussing consciously, not telepathically in the bardo, or in other ways/places. Perception and translation error.

Until our given human body is shed and the influences of that... are shed via analysis of the self after death, the body will cast it's influence well into our excursions into the void.

Regarding analysis. The trick is to do it as clearly and as carefully as possible, and that calls for remaining mutable but logical. Meaning, nothing is left unturned, including the idea of one fooling themselves via the body's systems of expression and interpretation.

Emotions are good drivers (pressure) of evolution, but they are not evolution itself. They are a force -within the context of evolution. Therefore one should try to be vigilant, at all times and in all situations.. for emotional interjection into reality formation.

The body never sleeps, but the mind does. Thus.... conscious analysis can be faulty.

The sleepless state can be used, by the individual to illustrate to the self...this disconnect. Meditation can bring this state into being, as can other aspects or attempts.

Listening to (as the post was formed, 'random' chance)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=fwf3O672s3s

[Debra]

Posted by Cerridwen (here)
It took a few years longer and lots of studying to find the deeper reasons for those headaches. One day at a seminar it just clicked. For me, they stem from my ‘daddy abandonment’ issues and the stress they caused. Severe pain was an attention getter for me, as well as an excuse to retreat from the world and whatever was going on that I didn’t want to deal with.

Now, as soon as I feel that first stab, I stop in my tracks and say, wow I must be really stressed out over something. I acknowledge the pain and say “Thank you for getting my attention about the stress I must be under, I’ll do something about it. I don’t need you here any longer, you may go now. I promise I’ll deal with it myself, I don’t need to retreat anymore.” I swear, 10 seconds later, it’s gone.

Awesome example of taking ownership, Cerridwen.

You are strong. I hear you sister

[Debra]

Posted by Carmody (here)
... One could say that the works of fantasy fiction and science fiction have taken humankind and enabled it to place it's self, on an individual basis, into difficult situations that might exist as a paradox --in the given mind. Each life lived... is itself, of such a nature.

With the fictional works, contemplation of many alternative states and situations can be pondered. The given mind that is 'in-situ' with that given moment, time, and level of evolution (connection to the now), that is absorbing the test can then consider..and connect with that idea of evolution that is outre or out of the norm for their given 'real life' state. Specifically, concerning questions and situations that might not exist outside of the mind.

Thus a broadening of the base, and this may lead to more insights that will aid in elevation of evolution. A wider bigger base - bigger growth potential.

I am a work in progress here, Carmody and still absorbing this post but I would like to add: I think that it is human kind that is always contributing to this fictional universe through art - be that literature, performance, material arts, music, etc. Each of these expressive realms brings our visions for the future towards us. In effect, we pull them in. We produce them and we engage with them - and through this engagement, the gateway to manifestation begins with the first stage of connection[B] [I]the suspension of our disbelief. All hands off, anything is possible. That is why art is so powerful.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=yYMIpOIii6Y

You also write:

Emotions are good drivers (pressure) of evolution, but they are not evolution itself. They are a force -within the context of evolution. Therefore one should try to be vigilant, at all times and in all situations.. for emotional interjection into reality formation.

This is a discussion I am still tussling with .. in this body, well mine anyway, the emotional realm is part of the instrument for harnessing and expressing ideas. So, I would say that emotions - while in physical form - vibrate to the pathway we venture down. Therefore, in this resonant field, if we focus on intuiting the knowledge in the feeling realm, it is here where meaning is made possible.

The body never sleeps, but the mind does. Thus.... conscious analysis can be faulty.

I wonder about the mind too - I have this other theory: that a part of the mind engages in a flushing and re-organisation during our sleep time, it is actually active in some way, but not the boss anymore. I think this, because I figure that it is our mind that forms a memory that we use to recall when we are awake - that dream. What happened, it made no sense. OR, there is another dream - perhaps this is the lucid dream state where I feel that our higher consciousness moves in and dwells. Also providing a little bonus when we awake, because in that state - insight can be so real, it smacks you in the face. It is hyper reality and clearly a message and direction to pay attention to.

The sleepless state can be used, by the individual to illustrate to the self...this disconnect. Meditation can bring this state into being, as can other aspects or attempts.

The sleepless state - we never really ''sleep'' do we? When you think about it, we are in a perpetual state of dreaming - perhaps not consciously - but certainly at the sub conscious. Somewhere in the blocks and fog we attach to our landscapes, there is a pulse - so what is that?

*Thanks for the music - nice*

[Curt]

Don't know why, but I felt moved to play this tune here in the Pub. It's si ti vois ma mere by Sidney Bichet.

This version is from the Woody Allen Movie, Midnight in Paris, and is accompanied by scenes of the city from the film.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=J3ExqFAO85o

[Debra]

Curtis, I love that music from the film. I was so eager to see it before it came out - for two reasons: Woody Allen and Owen Wilson. I thought what a brilliant coupling, but I think my expectations were too high. It was something about the timing of this film that was out. Funny that, because it actually played with the concept of time.

I will watch it again, though - I have it loaded up on my computer here. I would like to get hold of this one too:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LXi6xsq_dYs

And most definitely .. Broadway Danny Rose

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MQshyrB_sD8

[Borden]

Carmody, what do I do when I run into the realization that there's masturbation present? Is that my emotions? Is that my ego? Heh heh ... you are a clever and interesting chap, Sir. Please tell me more about what you see in 'Dune'.

Are you telling us the teacher joke?

PL, I recently turned 43, and I'm about to do another round. Aren't they wonderful? My favourites are the first two: 'Dune' and 'Dune Messiah'.

[Borden]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go

[Borden]

Carmody, can you see Watcher eyes? Tell us what you make of them.

[Lisab]

Dune is one of my favourite films. My friends and i watched it over and over for a time. Havnt read the books though, want to now.
Borden, have to agree with Songs here, can't believe you said kapeesh!

[mountain_jim]

Just watched Midnight in Paris for first time this week. That opening scene was quite a Woody love-letter to Paris - as I guess the whole movie is.

I read Dune and Dune Messiah (all that existed when I started) and was greatly affected by them.

The Science Fiction writer whose works first opened up my imagination was Robert Heinlein. In my grammar school library they had several of his earliest books - which were easier reads for a youngster. I had read all of his books, including my first reading of Stranger in a Strange Land, by the time I was 15. None of his stories made into movies were done justice, I feel.

I still wait for Stranger and The Moon is a Harsh Mistress to be made into films.

Another great book that will never be a film - The Monkey Wrench Gang by Edward Abbey - pro-environmental terrorism written by a lover of the american southwest heartbroken by the canyons drowned under the Glen Canyon dam.

While on the subject of films, as a teenager when I watched 2001 - A Space Odyssey, alone at a Cinerama theater (very wide aspect ratio 3 projection system) in it's first run, I realized upon leaving the theater for my 2 mile walk home that my consciousness was altered, and the world for me had changed.

That walk home was in a new reality, with my first realized altered state of awareness, caused by a film. Thank you Stanley!

[songsfortheotherkind]

The following post is made entirely from the subjective place in the hologram that I am. I know that regular Clan of Pub get this (and I got sick of prefacing every post with disclaimers) *and* there are some new Publians that may not know this about me. Sui generis means utterly subjective, from my own 'Verse, not intended as a blanket or globalist description about anything other than my experience.

Posted by Carmody (here)
In the spirit of this thread, I will say that, this one's experiences say:

One could say that the works of fantasy fiction and science fiction have taken humankind and enabled it to place it's self, on an individual basis, into difficult situations that might exist as a paradox --in the given mind. Each life lived... is itself, of such a nature.

With the fictional works, contemplation of many alternative states and situations can be pondered. The given mind that is 'in-situ' with that given moment, time, and level of evolution (connection to the now), that is absorbing the test can then consider..and connect with that idea of evolution that is outre or out of the norm for their given 'real life' state. Specifically, concerning questions and situations that might not exist outside of the mind.

Thus a broadening of the base, and this may lead to more insights that will aid in elevation of evolution. A wider bigger base - bigger growth potential.

It is possible to think of it as a 'course in accelerated evolution base-form'.

That's one of the reasons that this was expressed into the evolution: the ability and capacity to thought experiment saves the use of lots of resources, just like a computer running a probability equation. Makes far more sense to crunch the numbers without crunching the timespace, at least to those interested in and engaged with the physical realms. There are much, much bigger fish to fry in the physical realms than are currently being engaged with- this isn't the pinnacle, this is the kindergarten, the unlimited possibility field hasn't even *started* in those terms- the evolution is cranking things deeper, not doing away with the physical.

The other one thing is that as we evolve, we create new phantasms, and as we reach the edge of our own given development, the idea of co-creation and ego body function co-mingle (inevitable). Phantasms of the mind must be tested against reality and some, depending on position, may be stronger than others, in the given mind.

Ah, see, here is where it begins to go back to the pear shaped 'reality check' fnordle. There is no ultimate reality to check against, so in my language I'm simply moving the hologram around looking for other doorways and windows to explore through. The flat earth was an absolute reality check until it wasn't. Man can fly was an absolute reality check until it wasn't.

Nothing is a phantasm. Everything is one multiverse leaking into another. Pretending that one has a handle on the 'correct' reality is just an indicator of where one's possibilities end. It's the reality check of the individual's evolution limits within the multiverse.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xeqMCyQVdfA

In my realms there *is* nothing but the infinite expressions of the creative 'dream', ever- all choices are from the infinite possibility, so why quibble about which dream Art is 'more real' than the rest of the dream Art? It's about creation, co-creation, not the quest to suffocate the infinitely possible beneath a concrete 'reality' that is chosen by someone *other* than me. Either one enjoys dreaming Art into creation, or one seeks to return to the place where all possibilities exist but none are chosen so all Art is possible but none is actually ever created.

I'm aware that some find this a wonderful option and their preferred space. I have not one iota of resonance with such a choice, although I utterly uphold their right to make such a choice as long as they're not forcing anyone into coming along with them. What amuses me is that this option can't be taken without a choice to go there but then in the next breath choice is denigrated as being something to regard with great suspicion. (heh heh heh- am I the only one that finds this wickedly amusing?)

Choice is the place of creation, which is why the virus gives choice and consciously choosing such a bad rap. The Buddha pretended to never consciously chose anything too- he pretended non-choice wasn't a choice which is why it's not the Dalai Lama that's dying for his beliefs. Really easy to make no choice when one knows there will be others who will choose and then one can walk on the top of their heads, pretending to be enlightened. It's why I have no interest in the philosophy Ghandi espoused- what a crock, non-violent resistance my non-tasty shoe; there were *thousands* that died following that philosophy, it just wasn't him personally. In the end he met the results of his non-choice choices and people called it martyrdom. I see it as inevitability when one is prepared to float one's boat on the blood of others.

Eventually, with clear thought, all will fall, to the greater degree..and something that we cannot understand, from our current given base ...will arise and be the form of the given time. History has shown this to be true. It has also shown us that the probability of the immutable to be a limit that chains us, is also quite high. As time passes while in a given state, we tend to move from a probability of it being phantasm or self lie to being inevitably so.

'All will fall' can also be experienced as 'everything evolves', which is how I personally embrace it. I have said in other places, the programmers here have been pimping the idea of 'fallen' for a very long time, which I have expressed in opposite terms: the evolution is always falling *upward* into greater expression of itself, greater complexity, greater experience of the subtle frequencies.

"with clear thought all will fall, to a greater degree-"

Whose clear thought? The controllers? Those who would be the new controllers? The 'new' dominant paradigm's? All recycling variations of the limitations that have gone before?

0-o I am clear that I'll be passing on that one, preferably at warp speed and with my pirate hat set at a rakish angle. I have found that there is nothing but inevitable worlds of goo when one individual or group tries to impose their 'clear thought' onto another. It never goes well.

will arise and be the form of the given time. History has shown this to be true

This arising does not happen in a vacuum, it is a constant unfolding based on present elements in their new configurations, which happens because these many elements are being interacted with in new and interesting ways, which gives rise to new signal and co-creation possibilities... it happens because of dynamics and energies involved, which are an evolution from what was there *before*. It doesn't happen by the sea of possibility never being actively interacted with. Choice is what creates new expressions of the evolution, which means somewhere, something was doing or thinking or taking some action of some kind, and that rippled the energy in new ways and evolution of the signal happened. It's a dynamic multiverse. It moves, it breathes, it interacts, it creates, it co-creates, it has sex and a smoke afterwards, it occasionally over indulges in something and makes a right idiot of itself. Somewhere, there's a sign that says 'sorry for the inconvenience', but it's been long established that this was just a university student prank, as was the whole idea of God.

"We never thought this God thing was going to get so out of hand", Torquil Elderberry, widely held to be one of the prime instigators and creator of the original concept said in a recent interview. "When we came up with the idea as first year marketing students we were convinced that it would never work- I mean, seriously, the Creator of the entire everything is a guy? And he wants you to sacrifice your goats and chickens and the occasional firstborn? After we saw how well phase one of the experiment went we decided to really raise the stakes and developed a secondary character that had been a minor player in the first phase. Again we were really looking to push the envelope and there were many heated discussions- there were some who thought that the whole nailing to a tree thing was just never going to be accepted and as for rising from the dead, well, who was going to accept a zombie for a saviour? But we stuck to our guns and it's been bigger than we ever imagined."

Mr Elderberry is now senior marketing CEO for Microsoft and is paid squillions because, as he put it himself, "If I can create a successful campaign featuring a genocidal, egocentric, misogynistic, bloodthirsty, meglomaniacal and petty demi-god posing as the creator of the universe and the global population buys it, it's going to be easy to convince those same consumers that Microsoft products work."

It does get rather tedious to hear the multiverse's Art in terms of the physical realms being rubbished as inferior- I am looking forward to enthusiastically waving goodbye to all those who complain about and denigrate the physical experience as they depart to various non-physical realms and stop raining on the parade here, although they do serve some purpose at this point; their complaints only make my appreciation grow brighter. If that means I accidentally go pyro from appreciation and set them on fire, really it's win-win, isn't it- I'm glowing with appreciation that's on a supernova scale and they're heading to realms they have continually said they prefer.

As we reach the edge of the given mind's limits... the strength and shape of phantasms increase dramatically. So one must have and possess even more discernment, and be more careful. The body is merely doing it's job, it is trying to make sense out of unformed data or difficult situations. It possesses a data set, and tries to match the data to the image and ideals sets, to be interpreted by the 'thinking mind'. this is autonomous and below the thinking mind, with regard to conscious world awareness and extends well into what we call the bardo and the like, as this is a thing we are discussing consciously, not telepathically in the bardo, or in other ways/places. Perception and translation error.

We are having discussions here about the various 'minds' and the virus program built into the physical. You appear to be advocating that because the physical has been infected by virus, rather than dissolving the virus we should discard the physical realm and all shuffle off to non-physical states.

Until our given human body is shed and the influences of that... are shed via analysis of the self after death, the body will cast it's influence well into our excursions into the void.

Yep, there it is. Gosh, that doesn't sound like the blibble the virus as religion has been pimping for milliennia at all- 'the heart is treacherous and who can know it?' 'we are all sinners and unworthy, unable to know even how to take one right step', blah blah blah. If it's not the heart, it's the spirit, or the mind, or the body that is untrustworthy/evil/full of sin/must be done away with- 'if the eye sins, pluck it out and cast it away! Better to enter into the kingdom of heaven with one eye than to pass into Gehenna with two'. So if the hand 'sins', cut it off, if the foot 'sins' cut it off, the genitals of women can't be trusted so best be hacking those off as well-

clearly, I'm not a fan of this 'can't trust anything of Self so look somewhere else for authority' philosophy. I'm not a fan of the virus inspired exhortation to get rid of the physical either: I've seen the roots of the intention with my own eyes, in other realms. Did you really think, after seeing what went down recently, that I would just let more of the same non-corporeal, 'abandon the body because that is the only superior choice' championing slide?

You can make that choice- for you, it's obviously something that resonates. I've come into contact with some non-corporeals that have rocked my socks, AND at NO POINT have they ever suggested to me that my path was in any way at all inferior. NEVER. I've met Creators, universe sized Art makers, who don't pull that crap: I have sat and watched the light spread across a galaxy while cradled in the palm of the hand of a Being so great and vast that I cried at the beauty of their signal and the Art that they created; they rejoiced at the beauty they saw in me and marveled at the experience I was transmitting to them, because in themselves they could not do what I could do. The Creators know that this is infinite, the experiencing something new, and living into it and becoming a new thing in the process. Always becoming the new thing, if one holds the space for it within.

I am frankly distanced by the suggestion that the exquisite Art of these great and beautiful Creator Beings is inferior. My signal cools in transmission towards those that seriously bring this to a place where the physical realms have been intentionally chosen, and then for the speaker to suggest that this choice has been made because the Chooser lacks discernment and wisdom is much like the priest in Eric the Viking. And all priests, really, who are nothing more than servants of the virus.

Regarding analysis. The trick is to do it as clearly and as carefully as possible, and that calls for remaining mutable but logical. Meaning, nothing is left unturned, including the idea of one fooling themselves via the body's systems of expression and interpretation.

Logic. Thus endeth that part of the discussion.

Emotions are good drivers (pressure) of evolution, but they are not evolution itself. They are a force -within the context of evolution. Therefore one should try to be vigilant, at all times and in all situations.. for emotional interjection into reality formation.

The emotional facility is part of an ecosystem of feedback mechanisms that make up the whole biosystem of the physical Being. Having the capacity to hold emotional interjection in the space is one of the elements that separates the ethical and moral Being from the scientist who not only thinks it's ok to create the deadliest virus ever known as a bio-weapon, but that it's not his problem what the military do with it *after* he's created it because hey, if it wasn't him, it would have been someone else. Like anything, an imbalance in any direction will cause its own crisis and evolution *and* that's what it's always about- leading to the next expression of the evolution. That's what I've been writing about lately.

The body never sleeps, but the mind does. Thus.... conscious analysis can be faulty.

heh. Which mind? I've got many and sleep just means "I" am accessing a different realm, to bring things to different places within those realms. There's no such thing as one 'reality' in my Verse, which I've expressed many times, so what you've said here is nothing more than an explanation of your experience, not that of others. It would be far less irritating to those whose realms are different to hear sui generis expressions rather than sweeping globalising statements that imply 'this is how it is for me, so therefore that's how it is for All'. No, no it is not.

The sleepless state can be used, by the individual to illustrate to the self...this disconnect. Meditation can bring this state into being, as can other aspects or attempts.

And now the subtle slide into the areas of aggravation that happened here before.

Carmody, please understand this point that I am now about to make with no clever words whatsoever: there are Beings on this thread that do not resonate to 'human', do not experience themselves *as* human, have no interest in the non-corporeal realms and are exploring the signal that calls them *deeper* into the physical experience. There are others who have only one or two of these elements and that is what they experience and resonate to. If you wish to express the concepts you're expressing then you are warmly invited to do so in the subjective language of the sui generis- which means 'this is true for me and may be true for no other Being anywhere'.

You are not the possessor of the One Truth for All, you are the possessor for the One Truth for you. Subjective language 'I' statements rather than globalist 'this is how *reality* is' allows others to fully have their experience without some subtle (or in this case, not so subtle) suggestion that any choice *other* than the one you are espousing is an indication of some kind of deficiency, usually spiritual in nature.

Noooo. That's not going to fly here. I've already posted some stuff about the harm of language that discounts the experience of another in some way or other. We're developing sui generis based language here, which means cultivating the concepts of 'homogeny is not a requirement' and 'infinite possibility precludes the idea that I'm right about anything other than what pertains to me'. It means those who make the choice to have three heads and seven arms aren't in some way 'inferior' to those who make the choice to be an expression of the color blue or those who choose to be an entire planet.

There's nothing inherently wrong with your experience and perspective, because it works for you. I'd appreciate a cessation of the suggestion that it applies to everyone else. This is me being nice about it: any language that discounts the experience of the other is founded in abuse, which is founded in the virus. This thread is a verbal abuse free zone. We are consciously cultivating the language of sui generis. You are most welcome to participate in that endeavour if it appeals to you.



Nice choice of music- I like Way Out West.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Borden (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SmVAWKfJ4Go

"If I could start again
A million miles away
I would keep my Self
I would find a way"

That is it, utterly. That is the signal.

I love this song.

[Alekahn]

In memory and in our heart.
For Jorr.

All is Well brother.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=37MNE8tOBG4

[Carmody]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
There's nothing inherently wrong with your experience and perspective, because it works for you. I'd appreciate a cessation of the suggestion that it applies to everyone else. This is me being nice about it: any language that discounts the experience of the other is founded in abuse, which is founded in the virus. This thread is a verbal abuse free zone. We are consciously cultivating the language of sui generis. You are most welcome to participate in that endeavour if it appeals to you.

You speak of judgment and the lack of it, yet you lay it at everyone's feet in indignation, of an offense - paraded.

One that does not exist.

Like the rest of the phantasm parade.

It is clear that you will only accept your way or the highway, wile you lie there with your 'wound'.

I see narcissistic self affected prattle.

That is the kindest thing I can say.

As for the rest, perhaps it is best that such musings move to the channeling section.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
There's nothing inherently wrong with your experience and perspective, because it works for you. I'd appreciate a cessation of the suggestion that it applies to everyone else. This is me being nice about it: any language that discounts the experience of the other is founded in abuse, which is founded in the virus. This thread is a verbal abuse free zone. We are consciously cultivating the language of sui generis. You are most welcome to participate in that endeavour if it appeals to you.

Posted by Carmody (here)
You speak of judgment and the lack of it, yet you lay it at everyone's feet in indignation, of an offense - paraded.

ah, personal interpretation- it's a real bastard, isn't it? Even when I was so careful to make things clear.

And when things don't go one's way, what does the heteronomy do next, I wonder- hmm, my guess would be abuse-

One that does not exist.

Like the rest of the phantasm parade.

It is clear that you will only accept your way or the highway, wile you lie there with your 'wound'.

I see narcissistic self affected prattle.

That is the kindest thing I can say.

As for the rest, perhaps it is best that such musings move to the channeling section.

ROFL

and the abuse rears its head! This is the second time that this has showed itself, and again at the hands of a no-mind and superiority priest.

That itch really can't help but want to be scratched, can it.

This thread is where it is, and does what it does, because many in here like it that way. Are you suggesting that all these other intelligent, aware and observant Beings that frequent the Pub are just too stupid/fooled to see what you can see? Hmm, that's a pretty grand assumption, but not surprising one iota.

It is a measure of your own attitude and philosophy that anything different from your reality needs to be removed to the 'channeled' thread; that's ok, I personally think your perspective is better served in the religion thread and at the same time I wasn't asking you to go elsewhere. There is no support for the heteronomy here, and that apparently really chaps heteronomy's arse.

Sui generis and true autonomy: indestructible crabs in the crotch of the heteronomy since 500,000 BC.

[Curt]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iIIuR-HjFho

...So, anyway....

...Songsy, brilliant posts. You've created an apologia for Sui Generis.

...And for me personally, these latest posts have helped deepen my understanding of the concept.

...Thank you.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Alekahn (here)
Attachment 16683

In memory and in our heart.
For Jorr.

All is Well brother.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=37MNE8tOBG4

Ok, has something happened to Jorr that I don't know about? Because given what I'm currently living through, my mind has gone to a rather grim place of possibility with this.