redicecreation thaws archons?

[Bo Atkinson]

One considerable attraction for me here, has been the multiverse matrix assertions and what might be learned. This popular site seems to present one of the better moderated views, so far, IMO. Just in case it inspires productive discussion.

May others decide the validity of discussing it's content, from perspectives they have formed.

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio...RIR-120531.php

Be well,

ωΩ

[ponda]

Nice one wavydome

Always enjoy listening to Neil Kramer's insights and perspectives

[ulli]

Neil Kramer is hitting the nail on the head with each sentence. Great interview. Thanks, Wavy.

[D-Day]

This man knows what he is talking about, that is very clear to me.
What a great interview this was!
I can't believe that until now I had never heard of Neil Kramer.
Why do I feel as though I must have been living under a rock not to know about this guy.
Thankyou wavydome for introducing me to him and his work.

[ulli]

Posted by D-DAY (here)
This man knows what he is talking about, that is very clear to me.
What a great interview this was!
I can't believe that until now I had never heard of Neil Kramer.
Why do I feel as though I must have been living under a rock not to know about this guy.
Thankyou wavydome for introducing me to him and his work.

You know what is really weird? That just before I posted my sentence above, using the "nail on the head analogy", your post passed through my mind...exact same words.
Don't know why I didn't write it down, though.
Strange how thoughts arise and then are dismissed and replaced.
Inner world is where we are more connected than the outer world.

[gripreaper]

First the OP heading is misleading. The Red Ice Creations interview is with Neil Kramer and his new book, the "Unfoldment"

Neil discusses the process of looking at the shadow side, which is within us all as well as manifested outside us, and it's time we stop looking at how bad things are, focusing on the illuminauties and the banksters and get out there and "DO" something to participate in the unfoldment. His book focuses on some pretty basic concepts, as I think he is trying to reach the asleep masses and bring a context for a future which is unfolding and has a glorious outcome to a much wider audience.

Since I have not read the book, I cannot say if his viewpoint stems from unity of both polarities or not. These polarities include "being and doing" and if we just focus on doing, we are focusing primarily on redirecting energy and where it needs to be directed. Doing pushes energy through the matrix, without nesting it in beingness, which is a part of the patriarchal polarized construct, which is very difficult to get out of, and I suppose for those who are just waking up, this is a good place to start, to get off the couch and get energy moving.

There was a real hidden gem in another thread which basically only captured the attention of a few, and it had to do with energy and the Kundalini experience. That experience takes both polarities, of the "being and doing" and unites them and dissolves most of the archetypes we use to describe the polarized states of consciousness, and I would say also dissolves "being and doing". I hope we-R-one doesn't mind me highlighting this excerpt from page 18, post #356 of that thread.

So in the next few moments before the Kundalini, this was the thought process. In one hand I accepted and embraced all the bad from the relationship for what it was and I was grateful. In the other hand, I accepted and embraced all the good from that relationship for what it was and I was grateful. The acceptance of both polarities, positive and negative was the integration point. Integration point being love and compassion. The moment of this integration point was when I had the Kundalini. It felt like an orgasm. I'm sorry there is no other word to describe it, so I have to utilize that one so you understand what it feels like. It's a rush, basically and it goes right out your crown chakra. What I had done was play what's called The Polarity Integration Game.

here's the link:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Force-/page18

Unity is not about "being" or "doing". It's a context which does not have archetypes or descriptors in our language, at least not one's which are pure and don't get mixed up with the polarized archetypes and symbols. Unity is neither being or doing, but is a melding of both into something new.

I will say this. I'm interested in Neil Kramer as I think he get's it, and I may read "The Unfoldment" after it is recommended by others, but I don't need another rehash of how to get in touch with my inner self and how to manifest that in the cosmos. So we'll see.

What would interest me is a thread about unity and the Kundalini experience.

[Bo Atkinson]

I listen in over my daily work. This week brought in a lot of archon listening. My blurry impression of archons felt subzero-pessimistic. Today came Neil Kramer's interview through redicecreations. Drop today's work for a minute, up to my internet connection, post it for the Avaolon weekend, presto. 'Thaw' with 'redice".

(redicecreations.com/faq.php .... "Q: Why the name Red Ice? A: The idea is that it takes balance between two extremes to create conditions for life and spirit.")

Ulli: "Inner world is where we are more connected than the outer world."
Me: Ya, perhaps

So the thread was balancing some extremes, of the week, in moment's flash. Muddling the thread title contexts in haste, if you like.

I liked Neil's interview-generalizations about the multiverse levels and the beings of our realms. His word smithing is great and i bet he writes very concisely, full of relevance and meaning. I felt countless possibilities of lifestyles are 'allowed' resonation. His monologues in the interview seemed to allow this. May his effort bear him due fruits.

I don't raster-read books anymore. My book shelves collect dust and await time, if it ever comes. I love having them for cross checks here and there, now and then. Nowadays i'm reading on the hoof w/mp3... Catch up time with the electronic pace of experience. Format-mp3 is the only manageable compression currently portable. Other audio formats eat up discs. Besides my budget is hand to mouth, with no complaint there. Many authors freely offer books, blogs or tidbits, each day, on-line. Interviews and shows are abundant too.

I like to hear what's happening out there from my pristine edge of our times. Then back to mud work for grounding. One day i'll be through with this. But for now it is here to continue with.

I'm going to listen in to his essays tomorrow. I see he uses the archon word, see what he says.
http://neilkramer.com/category/essays

ωΩ

[ulli]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
First the OP heading is misleading. The Red Ice Creations interview is with Neil Kramer and his new book, the "Unfoldment"

Neil discusses the process of looking at the shadow side, which is within us all as well as manifested outside us, and it's time we stop looking at how bad things are, focusing on the illuminauties and the banksters and get out there and "DO" something to participate in the unfoldment. His book focuses on some pretty basic concepts, as I think he is trying to reach the asleep masses and bring a context for a future which is unfolding and has a glorious outcome to a much wider audience.

Since I have not read the book, I cannot say if his viewpoint stems from unity of both polarities or not. These polarities include "being and doing" and if we just focus on doing, we are focusing primarily on redirecting energy and where it needs to be directed. Doing pushes energy through the matrix, without nesting it in beingness, which is a part of the patriarchal polarized construct, which is very difficult to get out of, and I suppose for those who are just waking up, this is a good place to start, to get off the couch and get energy moving.

There was a real hidden gem in another thread which basically only captured the attention of a few, and it had to do with energy and the Kundalini experience. That experience takes both polarities, of the "being and doing" and unites them and dissolves most of the archetypes we use to describe the polarized states of consciousness, and I would say also dissolves "being and doing". I hope we-R-one doesn't mind me highlighting this excerpt from page 18, post #356 of that thread.

So in the next few moments before the Kundalini, this was the thought process. In one hand I accepted and embraced all the bad from the relationship for what it was and I was grateful. In the other hand, I accepted and embraced all the good from that relationship for what it was and I was grateful. The acceptance of both polarities, positive and negative was the integration point. Integration point being love and compassion. The moment of this integration point was when I had the Kundalini. It felt like an orgasm. I'm sorry there is no other word to describe it, so I have to utilize that one so you understand what it feels like. It's a rush, basically and it goes right out your crown chakra. What I had done was play what's called The Polarity Integration Game.

here's the link:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Force-/page18

Unity is not about "being" or "doing". It's a context which does not have archetypes or descriptors in our language, at least not one's which are pure and don't get mixed up with the polarized archetypes and symbols. Unity is neither being or doing, but is a melding of both into something new.

I will say this. I'm interested in Neil Kramer as I think he get's it, and I may read "The Unfoldment" after it is recommended by others, but I don't need another rehash of how to get in touch with my inner self and how to manifest that in the cosmos. So we'll see.

What would interest me is a thread about unity and the Kundalini experience.

The two are connected. Kundalini unites all the inner planes, the chakras, the two brain hemispheres, and connects one to the higher will of the divine.
When several people have such an experience simultaneously they will all become aware of the same higher divine vision, or purpose. And voila, unity. Zero conflict.
Until then there will be only the principle of diversity, which also can be fun, but not much can be achieved as one is never quite on the same page with others. While in ego mode it is harder to find the will of the highest order.

[ViralSpiral]

Thank you. I really enjoyed that. Not groundbreaking however, another great endorsemt of:- Everyone is inherently good. And, fixing our inner landscape before looking at the outer matrix......


Here his interview on Veritas. Another gem. Apologies if posted elsewhere.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5fDTJW-dCR4

[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by gripreaper (here)
.....

There was a real hidden gem in another thread which basically only captured the attention of a few, and it had to do with energy and the Kundalini experience. That experience takes both polarities, of the "being and doing" and unites them and dissolves most of the archetypes we use to describe the polarized states of consciousness, and I would say also dissolves "being and doing".

............

Unity is not about "being" or "doing". It's a context which does not have archetypes or descriptors in our language, at least not one's which are pure and don't get mixed up with the polarized archetypes and symbols. Unity is neither being or doing, but is a melding of both into something new. ....

The two are connected. Kundalini unites all the inner planes, the chakras, the two brain hemispheres, and connects one to the higher will of the divine.
When several people have such an experience simultaneously they will all become aware of the same higher divine vision, or purpose. And voila, unity. Zero conflict.
Until then there will be only the principle of diversity, which also can be fun, but not much can be achieved as one is never quite on the same page with others. While in ego mode it is harder to find the will of the highest order.

Great stuff here. Here is another little context, if it may be supportively considered.

I see all these statements workable, self-sovereignly,in a sense. I see these as workable experiences, to fit one's context and patterns of experiencing.

I had a peculiar Kundalini experience without prior (this life) knowledge, of all it was. I had no proper guidance there. At that time i thought it was part of a "group connective" thing. Later it proved not so at all. Perhaps such things can concur harmonically. Meaning at different levels or just vibrating-sympathetically. So some may think it was more ordinary and another might experience that inexplicable snake spiraling up the chakras. (I had never heard of chakras or snake-things or whatnot, at that age). It happened despite all the concurrent conflicts and irrelevancies ongoing at that time. Felt like i was levitating in the rough city streets, afterwards, walking away.

I have wondered if the coming events of transformation, (not sure what names are best), might likewise work in comparable ways. The culmination of which will render a new world of awareness levels. (For those so inclined). Yet despite existing dissonance, which may yet be adjusted by all.

[Bo Atkinson]

I got the impression that integrative works were advisable, within Neil's recommendations. Towards the 'unfoldment' of todays earthly conundrums. Here is a part of my main developing effort of the last 12 years.


Today, i'll listen in some more. Lot's of reorganizing my tools and materials collected over the past 42 years.

ωΩ

[ulli]

I was 28 years old when I had my first Kundalini experience.
It was triggered during a Sunday lunch conversation about infinity.
One moment I had been an atheist, and the next I was flying through space
and could hear God breathing as if all of space was just the area in front of his face.
An intimate presence...like being cheek to cheek.
After that I was a changed person. Like you, I had no idea of chakras, nor enlightenment, whatever that means,
at the time. I knew, however, that at that moment all good and evil, and all sorts of other contrasts had become reconciled.
The other people in the room didn't notice anything, except I had become quiet, perhaps.
I clearly recall standing at the front door and seeing them off, and doing all those normal hostess things,
yet thinking 'I must get some quiet space now to think all this stuff through'.
Within a few months I had discredited myself in the eyes of most of the people I knew.
But then new ones showed up...people with a lot of knowledge in these matters,
and they weren't psychiatrists. I studied astrology.
It was another six years before I began the next phase, community building.
Consensus building. Small groups. Once in a while it worked and everyone felt like they were lifting out of their chairs, after having had a moment of agreement.
But most of the time there was a lot of disharmony, even battles, real ego battles.
Then I got into a study group of the other Enneagram, not the Gurdjieff one, but the Jesuit one.
I decided I was the number (can't remember which) that was compulsive about being right all the time.
That I had to surrender my logical mind. I did, and nearly went nuts.
After that I left all group work. Today I have my logic firmly recovered but can concede that there are other means beyond logic that can work.
So it has been a kind of reconciliation journey mostly...first inside of myself, then with others.
The end result is that I am a bit more compassionate than when I first started out in this life.

[Bo Atkinson]

Well ulli, I think we have have a comparable thread of experience there. My pursuits, after my experience, were back to heavy materiality, however. I did not study much concerning this sort of experience until years later. My predicament was always, gaining and maintaining credibility in the employment and contracting world. As i dropped out of school and appeared 'radical', (refusing to fight in Viet Nam). I adjusted my leisure studies towards improving my hireability. At least it fostered self discipline and working on favorable principles of life.

In any case, i just listened to Neil's essay with the word 'archon'.... I was pleased to see plenty of corroboration with academic history there, combined with gnostic history. Which can possibly be used for talking points, with people i meet. Many of which respect only the academic sources. It also corroborated with many 'spiritual' free-lance sources, which i have personally respected.

I was very interested to see how it would interface with the DVD Sophia Returning, presented by John Lamb Lash (2009). Here, Lash seemed to speak largely from less common academic references. Mythology is difficult to discuss, with my 'educated' connections. Generally i found much agreement between Lash and Kramer, except on one major point. A point which possibly i should study more carefully again.

In general, Lash almost sounded as though he associated most of all scripture, with "archonic influence". Or at least the officially instituted scripture, in the world today. While Kramer seemed not to noticably associate archons with official scriptures. Admitedly, it may require more digging, to compare the work of both men. At least, Kramer seemed much less concerned about archons, generally, in our world today.

While in recent dialogs, on mp3... http://www.blogtalkradio.com/grok-th...-and-john-lash
....... http://www.blogtalkradio.com/grok-th...nd-john-lash-1 ..... http://www.blogtalkradio.com/grok-th...nd-john-lash-1 ....... Lash seed to make significant association between today's psychopaths and the archons.

Naturally, all sane people are in favor of purging psychopaths from leadership roles. Proving them psychopathic is another problem altogether.

Well back out to the workshop.

wavy ωΩ

[gripreaper]

Posted by wavydome (here)
Naturally, all sane people are in favor of purging psychopaths from leadership roles. Proving them psychopathic is another problem altogether

If you look at their energy fields, they have no light in the upper chakras, and their lower chakras are very discordant. That is why they are so narcissistic because they have no empathy and only see the universe as an extension of self. That's like a six year old child who has not distinguished their own boundary yet from their mother. Very childish. Couple this with the desire to increase their power, and you get energy vampirism in it's most bizarre forms, both overt occultism and covert pedophilia and human blood sacrifices, etc.

They want what we have but haven't been able to develop a soul for millions of years here, and it's about time they realize the jig is up.

[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

They want what we have but haven't been able to develop a soul for millions of years here, and it's about time they realize the jig is up.

I too have been persuaded by that line of thought. Unfortunately, we are stuck with populations who "look the other way". Population vey much distracted by materiality, as packaged by master-tricksters. Populations drunk on every indulgence and unhealthy habits. I know,as i'm still recovering from some of it. Even seemingly harmless things like dietary habits which seriously promote things like plaque in the arteries (arteriosclerosis)


Much discipline is required to learn these things and quit eating "easy foods"... As a man who was drawn into false notions by hearty, picturesque, life stylizations, (early in life).... To say nothing of many other things.

Blame this on the cunning archons and psychopaths, in some complex diversion, built in to challenge human kind? I think that both Kramer and Lash would dig out ample references. When i try touching on these subjects, i get the blank stares, but that has to be just as-is. the challenge is ours. Drink our cup to the full.