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    Jaybee & Carmody -- i have no idea what you 2 dudes are talking about, or how it relates to the thread --

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    Quote Jaybee & Carmody -- i have no idea what you 2 dudes are talking about, or how it relates to the thread --

    they may have lost the plot i think and gone well off topic l


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    Let's goggle 'carmody' and 'winning the galactic lottery', and see what we get:

    Dimension of Miracles, by Robert Sheckley:

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    Thanks to a computer error, Tom Carmody, an unlucky civil servant, wins the main prize of the Galactic Lottery.[1] Being a human from the Earth, he doesn't even reach the level of the 32nd class creature, therefore he doesn't possess galactic status and shouldn't even be eligible. However, he obtains the Prize before the mistake is found out and is allowed to keep it. That's when his adventure begins, since, not being a space traveling creature, he has no homing instinct that can guide him back to Earth, and so the galactic lottery organizers cannot transport him home. At the same time his removal from his home environment has caused, by the 'universal law of predation', a predatory entity to spring in to existence that perpetually pursues and aims to destroy him. So Carmody is forced to be on the run, and with the help of his Prize meets several well meaning (but usually not very competent) aliens that attempt to find where, when and which Earth he belongs on. He ends up transporting from Earth to Earth: different phases and realities of his planet, which of course, is not in the time or condition he expects it to be. At the end of the novel Carmody appears to find his home, but after everything that has happened to him he elects to continue his amazing flight rather than stay safe, and to live for the joy of the moment, even with the possibility that the very next instant he may die.

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    Dimension of Miracles is a wild metaphysical farce that presages some of the things Douglas Adams was doing so succinctly that I suspect Adams was a fanatical Sheckley devotee. The story relates the adventures of the hapless Thomas Carmody, who finds one day that he has been awarded the grand prize in the Intergalactic Sweepstakes, for which he was unaware he was even in the running. He is promptly whisked away to the Galactic Center to collect his Prize, which turns out to be a strange talking device that changes shape with impunity and serves no actual function. After a minor dispute with another "Carmody" from another world who thinks he is supposed to be the rightful winner, our Carmody suddenly finds himself in a new quandary: he has no idea how to get home.

    Where, among all of the possible configurations in time and space of Earth, is the Earth he left behind, and how can he find it? On his journeys Carmody meets a handful of disenchanted gods, and visits numerous permutations of the Earth, none of which is quite like the one he remembers. In one, he visits a town that talks to him in a gratingly solicitous tone, always making sure he's had enough dessert and is comfortable napping — but there is no other human being to be found. In another, everyone speaks in advertising slogans. In another, dinosaurs are sentient and avid practitioners of science. In another, Carmody seems to recognize everyone in his home town as old friends, except they are all famous movie stars.


    As you can see, the Terry Gilliam film 'Brazil' is also loosely based on the same story. (I have one of the 'working scripts' -what the actors refer to when the actual filming it taking place- from one of his films).

    I also think that the whole 'soul harvester' thing is a phase we all go through and it is a question that comes up in our minds at differing times. Since none of us are equipped with the full shape and scope of the answer set/group while in our given physical bodies.. It is a question that will remain and sometimes hounds us in our moments of doubt. And, right or wrong, some of us have more doubt more often than others might.
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    Lets say for a second that we where a genetic lab experiment that went wrong a million or so years ago here on this planet. Why? What the creators of this body did not count on was that souls from other dimensions would interfere with their game playing to control this planet because the planet was not theirs to mess with in the first place.

    There's however a drawback when interacting with a 3 dimensional form, your mind is severely limited by the physical brain, how do you program or download into a brain what has no concept of time and space , is like traveling at the speed of a mere thought, now with the physical form you move like a turtle in comparison and feel a bit disconnected from your spiritual form thus the problems of recollection of your origin or information related to that realm.

    Somehow we chose to be here, and even do the civilization on this planet has destroy itself many times before in the past, we are still trying to create a world of harmony and peace. In my opinion is fair to say that there has been many worlds that have not survive this type of experiments. Is our soul motivated by the events of the past eons ago? Maybe, why else will we stick around in this loony toon world .

    I hope that someday the limitations of this physical form can be overcome to gain access to our memories of why you and I choose to be here at this time. The tricky part is the enslavement part because if your soul is infinite you cannot be enslave, thus it is the limitations of a physical brain that makes you believe otherwise. Sooner or later we will get fed up with playing the game and just say , GAME OVER and there's nothing any ptb can do about it. Thus the reason why the civilization gets destroy and then starts all over again.

    Many many blessings to all.
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    Quote I also think that the whole 'soul harvester' thing is a phase we all go through and it is a question that comes up in our minds at differing times. Since none of us are equipped with the full shape and scope of the answer set/group while in our given physical bodies.. It is a question that will remain and sometimes hounds us in our moments of doubt. And, right or wrong, some of us have more doubt more often than others might.
    are you saying that the reason for this question/thread is preposterous? thanks l

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    are you saying that the reason for this question/thread is preposterous? thanks l

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    No.

    But on the other hand, it's not something to worry about -in the estimation of many. Kind of like being on the plane you think is going to 'go down'. Everyone has that moment go through their head, every time they get on a plane.

    The same day the Indonesian Tsunami happened, there were, in my estimation, about 4000 souls who could not cleanly 'make it back' so to speak. They had died in a moment of unending and extreme terror. Most could make it back, as they knew they were 'dead'. However, when something like that happens very fast and so many are involved, many can die and not know they are dead and continue living in the snapshot of their death. These were people who had no idea they were hit by a Tsunami, etc. all they knew is they were drowning, very suddenly and they were lost in the moment of terror. Those beings were ripe for harvesting, if such a thing does exist. However, no ghosts will be found on the shores of Indonesia, for I set them all free. The reason I did it, is to prevent the exact subject of this thread from occurring to them. I helped them understand that they were dead. That's a considerable number of panicked souls to handle so it was not done the better way, which is individual calming and then release. But it had to be done, so it was.

    The commonality of their drowning and cultural background is what made a group release even possible.

    I'm scared sh**less of what to do in situations involving thermonuclear devices, as that presents a very serious problem, potentially. However the terror factor (drowning) is unlikely to be as overwhelming an issue. It's not something I'd like to encounter, obviously.
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    I actually think it is more about paths and entities trying to attract us (harvest us) towards their path. Maybe them all are nice and sweet and just want to help us to select the right path, but maybe some are a bit more tricky than others.

    I comment about that here:
    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...acing-yourself

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    carmody:
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    But on the other hand, it's not something to worry about -No.

    But on the other hand, it's not something to worry about -in the estimation of many. Kind of like being on the plane you think is going to 'go down'. Everyone has that moment go through their head, every time they get on a plane. Kind of like being on the plane you think is going to 'go down'. Everyone has that moment go through their head, every time they get on a plane.
    i don't think that compares very well at all..i worry about my soul more than i do for my body...

    who's "many" from your "estimation of many"?

    it's always best to speak for one's own self ... l


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    if you remember that part in 'the Matrix' when Neo finds himself breaking out of the goo in the capsule, & sees that all other humans are in the same kind of capsules, w/the plug-in thing at the back of the neck -- in that sense, we are all having our souls harvested, right now -- most of us here on this forum, it seems, are not all that thrilled w/being here -- but here we are -- day after day after day -- all our best thoughts don't get us out of here -- & it's a constant struggle for all of us to stay positive, on our paths, connected to the Divine

    my ET walk-in kind of friend told me that reptilians can capture one's soul & keep it in a box -- i objected to that when she told me, but it could be true -- so many terrible things happen to bodies & minds in the vicinity of this planet, i don't see why souls would be exempt

    also -- here's a definition of a 'musselman' in the Nazi camps:

    'A "musselman" was a name given to prisoners in the concentration camp system, by the other prisoners. From what I have read, a "musselman" was someone who was still alive, and walking about, but you could see they had no life left in them. Everything about their spirit and their will to live had been broken, and it generally was only a matter of time before they died'

    [edit: no link because there is a very disturbing drawing in the link]

    doesn't this sound like soul death while still in the body? -- this disturbs me, because the NWO has strong Nazi influences, & they've had 60 yrs to perfect their techniques

    my real concern w/the concept of soul harvest is that i live w/knowing that there are going to be deaths on a scale like nothing ever before in history, coming in my lifetime -- and it seems to me that there ARE different timelines shaping up -- & that most humans are going to a future, a timeline, that will be a real hell, because all the good things -- music, flowers, love itself, etc -- will be separating to another timeline[s?]

    i did really hear Celine today, that sensitive souls like hers can find this stuff frightening -- but i truly believe that by knowing about the worst, you are much stronger & much more able to prevail over it/stand against it & make it through, than if you are a poor ignorant sleeping sheeple, totally blindsided

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    But on the other hand, it's not something to worry about -in the estimation of many. Kind of like being on the plane you think is going to 'go down'. Everyone has that moment go through their head, every time they get on a plane.

    The same day the Indonesian Tsunami happened, there were, in my estimation, about 4000 souls who could not cleanly 'make it back' so to speak. They had died in a moment of unending and extreme terror. Most could make it back, as they knew they were 'dead'. However, when something like that happens very fast and so many are involved, many can die and not know they are dead and continue living in the snapshot of their death. These were people who had no idea they were hit by a Tsunami, etc. all they knew is they were drowning, very suddenly and they were lost in the moment of terror. Those beings were ripe for harvesting, if such a thing does exist. However, no ghosts will be found on the shores of Indonesia, for I set them all free. The reason I did it, is to prevent the exact subject of this thread from occurring to them. I helped them understand that they were dead. That's a considerable number of panicked souls to handle so it was not done the better way, which is individual calming and then release. But it had to be done, so it was.

    The commonality of their drowning and cultural background is what made a group release even possible.

    I'm scared sh**less of what to do in situations involving thermonuclear devices, as that presents a very serious problem, potentially. However the terror factor (drowning) is unlikely to be as overwhelming an issue. It's not something I'd like to encounter, obviously.



    daer carmody,

    i see that you edited/changed your post beyond recognition after i responded to it. ..all your passages in blue have been added to your original body of text which consisted of the first passage alone (it's all kept in edit history and can be easily tracked back) ... by doing so you in essence scoffed at my response ..in my mind, it would have been far more respectfull to make a new comment altogether than do this...in other words, i am not happy at all that my response to your post is now redundant, non-sequential as a result of your manipulation...if your post looked/read the way it does now, my response would have been totally different, in fact i would have probably given it a miss...

    i won't go back on what i said, i keep my post #48 intact...however i would like to know what is it you meant by the lines i highlighted in your text? thanks
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    I did not scoff at your response, I merely fleshed out the post so it meant something. As for what is highlighted vs what is not, you've got two colors there. If you mean the first part, well, 'many' means 'most information from most people I've come across' when relating what they feel and have been communicated (in their various ways) about the subject.

    Basically, in the old legends, Typhon, the lord of the underworld, came to the gods in an enraged manner for the purposes of attack and taking over Olympus and the world..and so filled the gods with fear that the gods turned into animals and ran away and hid. Only when Zeus regained his senses and became a god/man/entity again, via recovering his wits..did he then manage to defeat and imprison Typhon under the mountain and in the underworld.

    The lesson is that if you keep your wits about you and do not let the animalism that resides in your origins and colors your every thought, as you transgress the world and move into the afterlife, if you do not let this animalism take possession of you.....then you would not fear the depths of the underworlds, for they would hold no sway upon or in you. "Though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death"...etc.

    Possession, even in these modern times, seems to require permission of a sort. Take for example, the 'black eyed children' of the past decade or so. They always seem to specifically require permission to invade your life before they can commit what ever act they seem to desire to. We don't know, no one has ever done a before and after on that one, the only reports we have are when people turn the black eyed kids down. They may be genetically combined with the Greys, which is apparently a major component of experiments.

    However, Micheal Bodine, in his book 'Growing up Psychic: From skeptic to psychic', tells of being bartender for part of his path in life. He relates that he saw many a spirit step into drunk people, spirits that hung round specifically so they could get a taste of being in the flesh again. They were not 'going to the light' they chose to hang about and play such games. They could and did step into people without their permission, but the people were very drunk. So prevention of possession does require a capacity to maintain faculties, and those people who died in that specific circumstance or way in the tsunami definitely did not have control of their faculties as they stepped into the afterlife. Like a watering hole, it does not take long for the predators to move in. The universe really does care, yes, but the universe is also in a 'non intervention' type of mode or capacity, so I could have done nothing, but I chose a different path. It's one of those things, if you have what it takes to do something, can you stand by and allow such things to pass?

    The way a single entity could do it is the way it was done. They were in the fear and moment of dying and it was the equivalent of a akido martial arts move, where I took them from dying into knowing or realizing their deaths. Using a move that took their impetus and added to it. It had to be done that way as there were too many of them and they were overwhelming. In that realm, consciousness equals that of will and equals that of creation. So I used their own impetus to create a mass death that overcame each of them in sequence, as encountered... and they then subsequently left the astral realm for the realm of the light. I'd of rather done it what I feel is the right way, which is to comfort them and stabilize/calm them, but 4000 panicked souls is a pretty tall order to deal with. Even one can be overpowering, unless the fear of death has left your existential self. The only thing that made the moves I committed possible was the similarity of culture and situation. However, my body still has the fear of death like everyone else, and the act of doing this thing was highly stressful, due to the connectivity for the living -of the spirit and the body.
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    when i put highlugheted, i meand: what's in BOLD...please explain what you meant by what's in bold..


    here it is (from your post #46)




    The same day the Indonesian Tsunami happened, there were, in my estimation, about 4000 souls who could not cleanly 'make it back' so to speak. They had died in a moment of unending and extreme terror. Most could make it back, as they knew they were 'dead'. However, when something like that happens very fast and so many are involved, many can die and not know they are dead and continue living in the snapshot of their death. These were people who had no idea they were hit by a Tsunami, etc. all they knew is they were drowning, very suddenly and they were lost in the moment of terror. Those beings were ripe for harvesting, if such a thing does exist. However, no ghosts will be found on the shores of Indonesia, for I set them all free. The reason I did it, is to prevent the exact subject of this thread from occurring to them. I helped them understand that they were dead. That's a considerable number of panicked souls to handle so it was not done the better way, which is individual calming and then release. But it had to be done, so it was.



    just what DID you mean by that...you may simply be fantasising, but i want to hear it from you...thanks l




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    Carmody -- have you done any follow-up visits to the 4,000 souls? are you sure that the 'Light' they went to was best for them? & not a fake Light wormhole? How do you know the exact number of souls, anyway? i don't like to question people's OD experiences, being often on the end of getting the disbelief of others -- but that IS rather a tall claim --4,000 souls...

    PS: what do you mean by animalism? hope i'm not going to hear more human contempt for the poor animals
    The lesson is that if you keep your wits about you and do not let the animalism that resides in your origins and colors your every thought, as you transgress the world and move into the afterlife, if you do not let this animalism take possession of you
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    we are all subject to the overt control of our autonomous system, the animal that lies within, the reptilian cortex, if you will. The brain stem. The very thing that jerks your hand out of a fire. This aspect can and does easily overrun our intellect, and force action and sublimate thought.

    One thing that spirits in the astral realms who wish to do you harm, will do, is to invoke fear, thus removing reason from you. If this becomes the 'snapshot' of one's death, they (spirits-higher self, whatever) can then be in a spot where they do not regain stability (do not regain a stable working intellect of consciousness) when leaving this world and stepping into the astral. In this case, the sphere (sort of) of astral space we like to call 'purgatory'. The more fearful, but not necessarily violent, the given death, the more difficult to regain equilibrium.

    Now we have all (most of us here, anyway) heard of those who live, astrally, or dimensionally speaking, off of these negative energies. The 3d human body is a very powerful aspect of this 3d world and part of why it is such powerful lesson gaining/learning platform. Thus the purposefully created fear and horror of the human sacrifice, regardless of who may be committing such an act. when the astral, higher or spiritual self leaves this realm, it has a 'human' impression upon it -that is very strong. Overpowering, in fact. Thus the point that depending on how some may die, they may not escape the panic state and then be preyed upon.

    There is speculation that the Indonesian Tsunami was specifically a sacrifice, as it occurred exactly to the day, one year later than an earthquake in Iran. A sacrifice and then an attempted feeding, if you will. Most managed to get away and leave this space cleanly. Some were destined to become unstoppably fearful and difficult to reach 'ghosts' or spirits. That would be the food or feeding part. Note the predominance of the eagle (bird of prey) and similar birds on all these emblems of that 'ilk'. What does an eagle do? It snatches prey, the prey full of fear, from the air. There is no up-down-left-right in the astral realms. There is only that which you create or involve yourself in...and that is dictated by the strength of will, imagination, and intellect you may command. If you are are kept in fear, you command, for the larger part - nothing..nothing but dark dreams. Now, since it is an energy realm, and you are 'shaped energy' in that realm, well, how does one procure more energy? By growing the self.....or stealing it?

    Now in that realm, consensus reality is the big point. The 'Will' of a group can create realities there. Same here but it takes more willpower to do it here. So, in the case of the dying and not being directly conscious and in control..all those who were dying in the Tsunami where a continual self perpetuating resonance of fear, that was all together but made up of individuals. I could not try and help one get out, as they would all pile into me simultaneously, all attempting to not die, yet they already were and not knowing it. I had to pull the spiritual equivalent of an Aikido move on them, which is where you use the energy of the attacking opponent to flip them onto the mat.

    Instead of stepping into each individually (spiritual overlay) and calming them so they could reach stability, calm themselves, realize they were dead and then the light could come for them (ya gotta wanna go, is the big thing there-stability is required at the least)..I had to take each further into their dying moment and make it a death..so they could calm themselves. After dying, their spirit form would be calm, like an unmoving body..and then the calm would come and then they could then be taken to the light. What happens is the same as what you see when their is an apparition here, in the 3-d world. It looks like a 3-d (seen with two eyes) but superimposed over the reality you see. It looks like a form of a hologram, when you see spirits in this world. They are 3-d, they go 2-d and flat... then they fade. As each realized their death, they did the same there. So I helped them die and laid them with one another. Horrifically, it looked to my spiritual eye, much like the piles of bodies seen in the deathcamp holocaust films. Indonesians, culturally speaking, have a big problem with war and outbursts of similar issues within their country, sorta like that of the Philippines, but sometimes worse. So all Indonesians (for the most part) live with the knowledge that war can and does break out at any time. For example, if an Indonesian, living in the backwoods or on the shoreline of Indonesia, fishing, whatever, were to suddenly have a battle breakout in their town or in the nearby city or woods, this would not be a huge surprise to them. So getting them to understand, in this 'drowning death throes' that they were going through..that something had taken their life, and taken it on some sort of outburst type war footing, that was possible to do. This tactic would not work in most other countries. The bodies, in the spiritual realm.. would constantly disappear and the given spirit would go to the light (after realizing they were dead)....and the pile would be constantly renewed by more being placed on it. This went on for quite some time.

    The reason the number 'lost' like that was so high was that the deaths were quite unexpected and violent....violent as in fearful and terrorizing.. by those who endured it. I was afraid all of those lost souls were to be harvested or used, so I sent them packing and 'home' so to speak, using the mentioned method.
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    Quote The reason the number 'lost' like that was so high was that the deaths were quite unexpected and violent....violent as in fearful and terrorizing.. by those who endured it. I was afraid all of those lost souls were to be harvested or used, so I sent them packing and 'home' so to speak, using the mentioned method.
    carmody;
    Quote The same day the Indonesian Tsunami happened, there were, in my estimation, about 4000 souls who could not cleanly 'make it back' so to speak. They had died in a moment of unending and extreme terror. Most could make it back, as they knew they were 'dead'. However, when something like that happens very fast and so many are involved, many can die and not know they are dead and continue living in the snapshot of their death. These were people who had no idea they were hit by a Tsunami, etc. all they knew is they were drowning, very suddenly and they were lost in the moment of terror. Those beings were ripe for harvesting, if such a thing does exist. However, no ghosts will be found on the shores of Indonesia, for I set them all free. The reason I did it, is to prevent the exact subject of this thread from occurring to them. I helped them understand that they were dead. That's a considerable number of panicked souls to handle so it was not done the better way, which is individual calming and then release. But it had to be done, so it was.

    who are you carmody? what's your mission/purpose? (briefly only please) thank you l


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    I don't have an answer for that. But names mean something, apparently. My real name means 'the first king, the first apostle, guardian who shelters the door, and pulls the smoke from the fire to expose the light/fire'.

    I didn't really want to get that deep into it, but lets just say don't worry all that much about soul harvesters, just keep your wits about you.
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    I don't have an answer for that. But names mean something, apparently. My real name means 'the first king, the first apostle, guardian who shelters the door, and pulls the smoke from the fire to expose the light/fire'.

    I didn't really want to get that deep into it, but lets just say don't worry all that much about soul harvesters, just keep your wits about you.

    i didn't want an advice of any sort....i wanted to hear from you who do you think you were... you tired your best by your first passage....
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    You also have to remember that most of these threads will be read by as many as a few thousand people who are not members of the forum, so I have to write for them as well. I cannot say such things and then leave room for misinterpretation, or leave anything important unsaid. The point is that one should not worry about soul harvesters or the like (or whatever). The system is seemingly well designed and one does have the energy and power to deal with such things if they have their wits about them. I mean, help get the world back on an even keel, yes, but don't needlessly fritter one's life away stuck in a rut of fear of the unknown. Having unknowns is the best part! Enjoy the ride.

    (The universe sends you in with a $50 allowance and cautions you, 'Now, don't spend it all on dope! Off with you now, go on, out of the house, go play in the street....')
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    Harvesting soul is an old concept. Hidden Hand thread on ATS was talking about it for our time. It is a very deep christian believe, but it is a metaphor.
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    Their is no harvesting as we might conceive other then loosing our soul into a vicious circle of victim consciousness.
    Namaste, Steven
    By what personal knowledge or experience do you base this on please?
    Or is this possibly a supposition or simply a speculation based on what you hope to be true?

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    "I could not try and help one get out, as they would all pile into me simultaneously, all attempting to not die, yet they already were and not knowing it. I had to pull the spiritual equivalent of an Aikido move on them, which is where you use the energy of the attacking opponent to flip them onto the mat.

    Instead of stepping into each individually (spiritual overlay) and calming them so they could reach stability, calm themselves, realize they were dead and then the light could come for them (ya gotta wanna go, is the big thing there-stability is required at the least)..I had to take each further into their dying moment and make it a death..so they could calm themselves. After dying, their spirit form would be calm, like an unmoving body..and then the calm would come and then they could then be taken to the light.
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    So I helped them die and laid them with one another. Horrifically, it looked to my spiritual eye, much like the piles of bodies seen in the deathcamp holocaust films.
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    So getting them to understand, in this 'drowning death throes' that they were going through..that something had taken their life, and taken it on some sort of outburst type war footing, that was possible to do. This tactic would not work in most other countries. The bodies, in the spiritual realm.. would constantly disappear and the given spirit would go to the light (after realizing they were dead)....and the pile would be constantly renewed by more being placed on it. This went on for quite some time.
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    I was afraid all of those lost souls were to be harvested or used, so I sent them packing and 'home' so to speak, using the mentioned method.
    I can certainly appreciate your valiant effort you are to be commended - but I cannot not ask - why would you attempt to do this alone? You make the statement of 'I' and not mentioning seeking help during this process I would presume you hadn't. It sounds rather exhausting to take on all this and by yourself!

    I also have in the past done things of this nature - starting with the Dow Chemical disaster in India in 1984. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster. I typically though seem to stir up graveyards. I would never consider taking on such a disaster with out asking for the aid of those whose job it is - on the spiritual realms - to assist.

    On a spiritual level have you considered you might be draining your resources past recovery - your $50 dollars? Also you have put yourself as a focal point in denying access by the dark side, the attack on your own soul when it is time could be what they wait for. Just a thought....I don't know you personally, I don't know were your ego is in this. Often we take on more than what we can chew and I would be negligent not to mention it, in case it just never occurred to you.

    Even though I am often only the catalyst (stirring up trouble so to speak) and do tons of protection calls etc. I am constantly at odds with them.

    Also I am in total agreement of your assessment of the situation as well. It is a never ending job, people are leaving all the time and it can really take up a lot of your day. I reminded once the 'other side' that I am in the physical trying to live a life here. You are not, you work in your world and I'll work in mine. I will make the calls (for those that can't) you take care of their souls on departure, bind the demons (whatever not of the Light) that try to prevent it. When ever I hear an ambulance I ask the Angels to assist and aid as much as is allowed. I was told once (unsolicited) because I do this all the time and for such a long time, I have a lot of Angels standing by. Can't say I know that for an absolute fact - but hey it is nice to know none the less.

    All the best....
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