Christ, the Matrix films, and the politics of separation.

[lookbeyond]

Hello, I was brought up with the foundation of my "religious " beliefs coming from the christian Bible. As I grew older I as a thinking person had what I consider natural questions re origins of / accurate translations of / interpretations of / left out books of - the Bible. Much reading and investigation enshewed- not possible without the ease of technology of today. I have come to the conclusion- that which I sit comfortably with ,is that Jesus came to show us the way of compassion, which is the way to life by which we may graduate from this dimension. Dear Red , I have been where you are in my own way, may we all support each other on this journey, wherever we are

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Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by music (here)
We do not need a mediator to the divine, because the divine is WITHIN US.

i beg to differ

there is nothing Divine with or within a human being


as a species we are destroying our planet and each other

living a lie and believing we are above accountability

because somehow seven billion non Divine beings make up Divinity


God must have been mocked long enough

what patience how long suffering

Mercy

We destroy and appear mundane precisely because of the long history of the politics of separation. We have been tricked into believing that we are powerless, and so like frustrated children we rail and we cry and we destroy. You tell someone often enough that they are born in sin, and they will start to believe it.

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Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. - John 3:5

This is a reference to working the sacral and throat chakras in tandem to connect with higher consciousness. The sacral chakra is the abode of the water dragon, the powerful feminine earth energy that slumbers in our unconscious. The shape seen when meditating on the sacral is a pyramid. The throat chakra is (from the Sanskrit) "the gateway to time and space", or spirit, or higher consciousness, and the shape we see here is the inverted pyramid. Worked in tandem, we are presented with the shape known as the merkaba. The star of David is a representation of the merkaba, one of the mystery school secrets that are not shared with the rabble.

[Fred Steeves]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)
So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST.....

Thank God

Thank RedeZra

there is perhaps a problem when feeling embarrassed by association with Jesus Christ

as it is He who sends the Holy spirit to guide and guard us

RedeZra, remember that Yeshua was also good with a whip when need be...Careful what words you put in his/her mouth... I'm just sayin...

[RedeZra]

Posted by music (here)
We destroy and appear mundane precisely because of the long history of the politics of separation. We have been tricked into believing that we are powerless, and so like frustrated children we rail and we cry and we destroy. You tell someone often enough that they are born in sin, and they will start to believe it.

we have been tricked into believing that Jesus is not God and that the Bible is a lie

when we don't get these two basic facts of life right

then we fall for anything

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Posted by Kindred (here)

Posted by observer (here)

Dear Brother Red,

Here, we again find you trolling the threads, selling your tickets to a failed bridge.

How many times must you be shown the evidence that the entire book you promote as the "Word of God" is nothing more than a creation of an empire bent on perpetuating itself through the enslavement of the mind. The entire message of Yeshua ben Joseph was corrupted with the creation of the Bible. In every case, the words of Yeshua have been contaminated by agents of the Holy Roman Empire.

The concept of being "born again" was known to the Essene Nazarenes as what most of us, on this forum, know as reincarnation. Only after many lives.... in many incarnations.... can one gain the knowledge and understanding necessary to make one worthy to enter the "Kingdom of Heaven", i.e. ascend to higher dimensions of existence.

Yeshua ben Joseph was one of many avatars who was filled with the Christ Consciousness, i.e. Christened, or Christos in the Greek. His message was: anyone could become filled with the Holy Spirit simply by doing what Yeshua taught.

It was the work of the Roman Empire that turned the words of Yeshua into a Trinity Religion and made the ascension to Heaven a service only the Church could provide. This heretical act has been the foundational cause for the past two thousand years of the most obscene pain and suffering inflicted on the Mass of Humanity.

.... and, you continue to promote this hypocrisy as the Word of God !!!

My suggestion to you would be to go back to your Bible Thread and spend some time reviewing the evidence that has been presented to you regarding this issue in that thread.

observer... Thank You for the Education! This background is something I had not heard before, so it strikes with double force.

In Unity, Peace and Love

And thank you Kindred, to thank another for showing us something unknown to us is the sign of a great spirit.

[RedeZra]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)
So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST.....

Thank God

Thank RedeZra

there is perhaps a problem when feeling embarrassed by association with Jesus Christ

as it is He who sends the Holy spirit to guide and guard us

RedeZra, remember that Yeshua was also good with a whip when need be...Careful what words you put in his/her mouth... I'm just sayin...

i'm a Bible thumper Fred ; )

i seldom say anything contrary to Scripture


"For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, of him the Son of Man will be ashamed when He comes in His glory, and [in His] Father's, and of the holy angels. - Luke 9:26


the whip is in my hand ; )

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Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by music (here)
We destroy and appear mundane precisely because of the long history of the politics of separation. We have been tricked into believing that we are powerless, and so like frustrated children we rail and we cry and we destroy. You tell someone often enough that they are born in sin, and they will start to believe it.

we have been tricked into believing that Jesus is not God and that the Bible is a lie

when we don't get these two basic facts of life right

then we fall for anything

Who here has said the Jesus is not God? The point of contention here is whether or not we are ALL GOD.

It would serve no purpose to pick apart the bible and point out its inconsistencies and contradictions.

Mention was made of the trinity. This is another deception of the politics of separation. Christ consciousness is a feminine energy, which gives us a natural trinity of male/female/spirit. The unification of the energies of the true trinity within the heart is essential to achieving true higher dimensional consciousness, so the false trinity presented by the church is yet another disempowerment mechanism.

[RedeZra]

Posted by observer (here)

Dear Brother Red,

Here, we again find you trolling the threads, selling your tickets to a failed bridge.

How many times must you be shown the evidence that the entire book you promote as the "Word of God" is nothing more than a creation of an empire bent on perpetuating itself through the enslavement of the mind. The entire message of Yeshua ben Joseph was corrupted with the creation of the Bible. In every case, the words of Yeshua have been contaminated by agents of the Holy Roman Empire.

i'm sure you believe this Observer bro

but i don't


you constantly choose to ignore the thousands of testimonies about the living reality of Jesus Christ


it's a bit like Iraq's comical Ali

refusing to see the reality going on around him

[RedeZra]

Posted by music (here)
Who here has said the Jesus is not God? The point of contention here is whether or not we are ALL GOD.

nope only Jesus

but He sends the Spirit of God

so we can become godly

to those who trust and obey Him

Posted by music (here)
It would serve no purpose to pick apart the bible and point out its inconsistencies and contradictions.

try me as i could probably explain them away ; )

Posted by music (here)
Mention was made of the trinity. This is another deception of the politics of separation. Christ consciousness is a feminine energy, which gives us a natural trinity of male/female/spirit.

there is no such thing as Christ consciousness

it's just nuage


and Jesus is not female

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Posted by music (here)

Posted by music (here)
It would serve no purpose to pick apart the bible and point out its inconsistencies and contradictions.

try me as i could probably explain them away ; )

Thanks, but my energy is better expended elsewhere, as is your own

Posted by music (here)
Mention was made of the trinity. This is another deception of the politics of separation. Christ consciousness is a feminine energy, which gives us a natural trinity of male/female/spirit.

there is no such thing as Christ consciousness

it's just nuage


and Jesus is not female

I first became aware of Christ Consciousness at age 7, I have known it ever since, and received many blessings. It was not a product of some "new age" hussle.

The historical Jesus incarnated on earth as a male, but this shell was animated and informed by the feminine principle. Julian of Norwich and other Christian mystics experienced Jesus as a feminine energy. Mystics are those who look for themselves, rather than accepting what they are told. We are all, each of us, 50% male and 50% female, either principle being either expressed or unexpressed in varying ratios dependant on the individuals journey. This is first principle stuff, and yet we are taught not to see it. We are educated in separation.

[Fred Steeves]

RedeZra, regardless of the age old arguments. Do you reckon Jesus would approve of the way you have facillitated the hijacking of Jack's thread in his holy name? You do realize you're getting precariously close to generally being seen as troll like here now, right?

[RedeZra]

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
RedeZra, regardless of the age old arguments. Do you reckon Jesus would approve of the way you have facillitated the hijacking of Jack's thread in his holy name? You do realize you're getting precariously close to generally being seen as troll like here now, right?

if i am a troll for setting the record about Jesus straight then so be it

besides i thought topics about Christ were open for Christians


maybe you want a brand new Jesus

but He hasn't changed ; )

[RedeZra]

Posted by music (here)
The historical Jesus incarnated on earth as a male, but this shell was animated and informed by the feminine principle. Julian of Norwich and other Christian mystics experienced Jesus as a feminine energy. Mystics are those who look for themselves, rather than accepting what they are told. We are all, each of us, 50% male and 50% female, either principle being either expressed or unexpressed in varying ratios dependant on the individuals journey. This is first principle stuff, and yet we are taught not to see it. We are educated in separation.

gender is intrinsically entwined with physicality

drop the body and loose the sex


there is no hanky panky in Heaven

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
gender is intrinsically entwined with physicality

So I see RedeZra is finally coming around and agrees that there is no gender in the higher dimensions. So, calling the Father God a male is fallacious as many have pointed out here and in other threads. All of the archetypes used to dumb down spirituality and make it palatable for the masses are fallacious. There IS NO separation in the higher dimensions, only that which we create here in duality.

And YES, there is Christ consciousness. The Grand Sophia, the source field, the holy spirit, energy, the divine matrix, the prana, the chi, the life force ARE ALL ONE and it is just the fallacy of the Roman Church and the bible which has fostered and sold separation as their agenda, and a way to control the masses.

This indoctrination into the cult of belief in saviors and myths is so pervasive and, as you can see, virtually impossible to break once someone is under the spell of the pagan rituals which support it.

It's quite sad actually, to see this thread hijacked and turned into dogmatic fundamentalism.

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
gender is intrinsically entwined with physicality

So I see RedeZra is finally coming around and agrees that there is no gender in the higher dimensions. So, calling the Father God a male is fallacious as many have pointed out here and in other threads.

God is Spirit

not male nor female

so i don't see the problem

after all His Son called Him Father

Posted by gripreaper (here)
And YES, there is Christ consciousness. The Grand Sophia, the source field, the holy spirit, energy, the divine matrix, the prana, the chi, the life force ARE ALL ONE and it is just the fallacy of the Roman Church and the bible which has fostered and sold separation as their agenda, and a way to control the masses.

there is the Holy spirit

no need to give Him a new name

Posted by gripreaper (here)
This indoctrination into the cult of belief in saviors and myths is so pervasive and, as you can see, virtually impossible to break once someone is under the spell of the pagan rituals which support it.

Jesus saves helps heals and provides

sounds like a Saviour to me

Posted by gripreaper (here)
It's quite sad actually, to see this thread hijacked and turned into dogmatic fundamentalism.

if it's in the Bible then it's truths

call it dogmatic if you like or fundamentalism if you want

truth is still truth

[gripreaper]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
if it's in the Bible then it's truths

It would help if you would qualify such statements as your subjective belief based on your subjective viewpoint, and not confuse the bible, which is the edifice of the Roman oligarchs compiled, altered, and bastardized at the Council of Nicaea, to meet their objective of divisiveness, separation and control of the masses, with your unsubstantiated and fallacious subjectivity RedeZra.

It has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, the errors, omissions, alterations, lies and half truths in the bible, in this thread and many others, which you refuse to address or engage, while you stay within a very narrow range of proselytized euphemisms of fundamentalist dogma and repeat the same protagonist fundamentalist mantra "ad infinitum", disregarding any and all objective proof contrary to your subjective viewpoint.

Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but lets be clear here, it's just your subjective opinion.

[RedeZra]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
if it's in the Bible then it's truths

It would help if you would qualify such statements as your subjective belief based on your subjective viewpoint, and not confuse the bible, which is the edifice of the Roman oligarchs compiled, altered, and bastardized at the Council of Nicaea, to meet their objective of divisiveness, separation and control of the masses, with your unsubstantiated and fallacious subjectivity RedeZra.

it is also your subjective belief that the Bible is a lie based on not evidence but hearsay

and so you choose other sources for an understanding of life and life after death


but have they been vetted by DW ?

[heyokah]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
RedeZra, regardless of the age old arguments. Do you reckon Jesus would approve of the way you have facilitated the hijacking of Jack's thread in his holy name? You do realize you're getting precariously close to generally being seen as troll like here now, right?

if i am a troll for setting the record about Jesus straight then so be it

besides i thought topics about Christ were open for Christians


maybe you want a brand new Jesus

but He hasn't changed ; )

Dear Red,

By saying

So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST.....

I meant "I don't have to be a fundamentalist follower of the organized religion called Christianity".
I can see what it has done and is doing to people.......and forums....
Maybe I should have put IN CHRIST in parentheses to make it more ironical.

As for Christ Consciousness , I think it is the state of awareness of our true nature, our higher self, and our birthright as children of God.

As far as I know, Jesus achieved this Christ Consciousness in his human life, and was given this term before his name as the recognition of his achievement of this spiritual status.
Hence his name Jesus Christ.

[RedeZra]

Posted by heyokah (here)

As far as I know, Jesus achieved this Christ Consciousness in his human life, and was given this term before his name as the recognition of his achievement of this spiritual status.
Hence his name Jesus Christ.

but for Heaven's sake Heyokah

He received the Holy spirit at the baptism in river Jordan



no need to go to church

but read the Bible

and if you want Him you will meet Him