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    Video Description From Youtube: Dorey is a graduate of Trent University in Peterborough, Ontario where she studied English, History and mythology. Her interests were expanded into religious studies after studying the New Testament at the University of Windsor in 1991. She began her writing career as a journalist and still continues writing articles for various online publications. She joins us to discuss her second book, The Nummo. The Dogon talked about alien beings known as Nummo who came to Earth from another star system. These fish and serpent like beings were hermaphrodites who spent more time in water than on land. Shannon presents examples of how these amphibious aliens appeared all over the ancient world and makes connection with mitochondrial Eve, Mary Magdalene, Masonic symbolism and more. She reveals how the Dogon religion is the core religion from which other religions including Judaism and Christianity have evolved. We'll discuss the Nummo's voyage to Earth, their knowledge of genetic engineering, Dogon mythology and their intention with humanity.


    The Nummo
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    The Dogon religion focuses on immortality because the key spiritual figures in the mythology, known as Nummo, were immortal. According to the Dogon, these fish and serpent like beings came to Earth from another star system. When they died and were reborn they could remember their previous existence. The Dogon elder Ogotemmêli described life and death for the amphibious Nummo as being like a snake shedding its skin. According to the Dogon, in the beginning of human existence, immortality was the norm and time as we know it was irrelevant.

    According to Ogotemmêli, there wasn't any intelligent life on the planet when the Nummo first came to Earth. There was some suggestion in the mythology the Nummo's world had been dying out, which is why they ended up here. They had planned to live on the Earth and combine their DNA with the animals here to create a new life form they could inhabit. What Dogon mythology tells us is the experiment failed. Not only was humanity born from this failure but as a result, humans became forever twinned to the alien Nummo. According to the Dogon, our connection to them exists on a deeply spiritual level in the collective unconscious. The Nummo communicate with humans through symbols and these symbols are the language of the unconscious.

    Even though the spiritual Nummo were androgynous, they were identified as being feminine and were symbolized by the sun in the Dogon religion. They had horns or casque like chameleons. They had noses that looked like cow's noses and they had slanted eyes with only auditory holes for ears. Evidence indicates they communicated using sonar because they spent more time in water than on land.

    In Dorey's first book, The Master Of Speech, she talked about the similarities between the alien Nummo and the serpent Goddess statues found in Ur located in southern Iraq. They date from the Ubaid period around 4500 B.C.E. These statues have lines across their fish and serpent like bellies that were described by Ogotemmêli as being in a series of "V's" without points. They have casques and slanted eyes as well as cow's noses. They also have fish tails, serpent like bodies and strange bumps on the shoulder joints. The fact these statutes so closely resemble the Nummo as described by Ogotemmêli, indicates the serpent Goddess figures found in world mythology have evolved from the images and stories about the alien Nummo.

    In their spaceships the Nummo were also known as celestial rams. This was because the piping that curved around the outer edge of the spaceship was said to contain water or liquid copper. The piping was curved like the horns of a ram. As a result of this association, the ram became an important symbol of the Nummo in the Dogon religion. The ram also appears as an important religious figure in the history of other world groups.

    Source: http://thenummo.com/nummo.html

    I've only just found this, still looking into it, after I pick myself up of the floor.
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    Near Eastern, Iranian, Persian, Sasanian, A.D. 226–651


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    That thing pictured above... from what I can make out, is carved "negative" as compared to a Cameo which is carved "positive" or in "relief." I have been fascinated by similar carvings from Ancient Egypt for the precision with which it is done -- and with what tools -- on quartz or agate nuggets no bigger then a small marble... which leads me to consider such to be seals designed to stamp a "positive" imprint on wax seals or similar materials.

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    Originally posted by Ishtar

    Quote You've written an interesting post, Starninja, but it's a shame that you angled it in such a hostile way, and I wonder why you did when we would have much in common and much to share. I'm not just someone who fetches up on a 'conspiracy forum' and starts throwing wild ideas around. I've been researching these subjects for more than 40 years... long before such forums, or even the internet existed.

    Well, I am not a love and light worker who walks on egg shell. I stand for truth. Second, I have been on conspiracy forums and my tolerance for BS has reached its limits. You may have researched this subject for 40 years……..you are must be such...... a selective researcher though. It doesn’t take that long to study ancient mythology or religions to see your misinterpretation or distortions. I just addressed a few of your mistakes. I didn’t even want to go into Veda. It is a taboo subject on conspiracy forums and I was banned twice for exposing it. I have learned my lessons and I keep quiet about that subject.

    Quote While we can call them demons because they look strange to us ... it doesn't mean that they're evil. I've been helped by many a benovelent loving spirit in the past that I couldn't even be sure was animal, vegetable or mineral. I was just hoping that we could open our minds a bit more.
    Why don’t you look at Egyptologist work rather than argue with me. I don’t waste my time for unproductive arguments. I prefer to go back to my study.

    BTW, you are the first who used a term “brainwashed. I haven’t changed my mind. Sorry, if it hurts.

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    Quote Posted by Lettherebelight (here)
    One more thing regarding Vedanta.

    It is often considered by those who have a only a modicum of understanding on the subject, that the Vedas are the 'scripture' of the Hindus.

    The word Veda means 'knowledge'. Vedic culture reckoned its history in terms of millions of years. The Vedas themselves touch on most subjects of knowledge available to humans on this planet, including medical (Ayur Veda), military (Skanda Purana), and many, many other subjects. Spiritual advancement is also included along with these more practical, earthly matters.

    The word 'Hindu' is a misnomer. Originally, it was coined by Moghul invaders who referred to the people of the Indus Valley, who lived according to Vedic principles, as 'Indus'. Most modern day 'Hindus', in general, worship demigods, following family traditions and personal sentiment, whlch actually have little to do with authentic Vedic understanding.

    I hope this isn't a 'TL;DR'
    I wasn't under that misapprehension, but thanks anyway!

    It actually dovetails in with what I saying about "S" changing to "H" as the Indo-European language moved westwards, as the tribes migrated in that direction after the last Ice Age.

    I don't know if it's only apocryphal, but here's what I heard anyway, and it rings true.

    When Alexander the Great conquered India, the first river they came to was the Sind. But the Greek soldiers and the commentators travelling with them, for reasons best known to themselves, called in the Hind, and that's where the term Hindu came from. It is certainly true, at least, that they would have encountered the river Sind.

    But while Hinduism uses the Vedanta as a basis for its teaching, it relies more heavily on the Srimad Bhagavatham, and the exploits of Krishna ~ a later work than the Rig-veda. Hardly anyone understands the Rig-veda because, in my opinion, (which I have only come to lately) it propounds a philosophy which would be alien to most scholars. I believe the Rig-Vedic hymns are largely in praise of who we call Venus.
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    Starninja, I spent most of the last post agreeing with you... I'm not arguing with you. I'm also well versed in Egyptology, again... so you've made another false assumption about me. You also didn't address a single mistake. We are in agreement. Why can't you get that?

    I was just trying to prevent you from unnecessarily starting arguments where no difference of opinion exists....but I can see that this was a futile effort, and you take all my points as a personal slight for some reason. So I'll ignore your posts in future as I really cannot be bothered with such a silly, juvenile, playground tit-for-tat approach.
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    Quote Posted by Vivek (here)

    Source: http://thenummo.com/nummo.html

    I've only just found this, still looking into it, after I pick myself up of the floor.
    Vivek, the Dogon are really interesting. There is some merit to the view that their practises were Proto Egyptian ... The Dogon gylphs have characteristics in common with the Egyptian hieroglyphs. There are also similar fish hybrid gods in the Sumerian literature.

    One book I found very helpful was Laird Scranton and Anthony West's Sacred Symbols of the Dogon: The Key to Advanced Science in the Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs

    Here's a helpful review on it which also explains a bit more about how myths contain "understories" of a certain kind of cosmological teaching, as I've been saying further up the thread.

    Quote We have reproduced below the conclusion of this superb scholarly book, which gives overwhelming support to the O'Brien thesis of a single benevolent advanced source for civilization.

    The information presented in the preceding chapters demonstrates a direct relationship between the symbols and themes of the Dogon creation story and known scientific facts relating to the formation of the universe, matter, and biological reproduction. This relationship is a broad and specific one that is couched in clear definitions and supported by priestly interpretations and cosmological drawings. The parallels between Dogon myth and science run deep.

    The Dogon concepts touch on virtually every salient point of the related science and do so in organized and sensible ways. Moreover, the extended parallels between myth and science sustain themselves through complex discussions of the formative processes of the universe and the conception of life.

    Correlations between the Dogon myths and science begin with explicit statements by the Dogon priests, which establish that the esoteric tradition of the Dogon is specifically understood to describe the underlying processes by which matter and life were formed. Details of these processes then play out in parallel with modern scientific theory, matching the components and component processes of myth with those of science. This kind of direct correlation with known facts taken in any context other than that of ancient myth would surely be accepted as a positive statement of real knowledge.

    It should be emphasized that the scientific interpretations we place on various Dogon cosmological symbols are not arbitrary ones. Rather, they are driven by and are consistent with the ways in which the Dogon elders understand and define their own symbols. These interpretations are aided by the definition of cosmological keywords such as po, sene, bummo, yala, tonu, and toymu - and by symbolic keywords such as "Water," "Fire," "Wind," and "Earth." Such words seem to transcend boundaries of culture, and their likely counterparts in the Egyptian hieroglyphic language often confirm the scientific sense of meaning assigned to the words by the Dogon. In the purest cases, these relationships between words are supported by common multiple meanings or by common related symbols-often by the Egyptian glyphs used to write the words, whose shapes match related Dogon cosmological drawings.
    Read more here: http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/966.php
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    Quote Posted by Ishtar (here)
    Starninja, I spent most of the last post agreeing with you... I'm not arguing with you. I'm also well versed in Egyptology, again... so you've made another false assumption about me. You also didn't address a single mistake. We are in agreement. Why can't you get that?

    I was just trying to prevent you from unnecessarily starting arguments where no difference of opinion exists....but I can see that this was a futile effort, and you take all my points as a personal slight for some reason. So I'll ignore your posts in future as I really cannot be bothered with such a silly, juvenile, playground tit-for-tat approach.
    I didn’t start an argument. I have just responded to your post full of distortions. I didn’t have any desire to have a conversation as we are not on the same page. It was you who tried to argue in a quite manipulative way rather than accepting difference. Well, conspiracy forums have made me immune to such a behavior.

    I don't know if you still can see where we differ in opinion or it is you just your defense.

    BTW, are personal attacks your only argument? Sad, indeed.

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    Hi Vivek,

    Thanks for posting that video. In it somewhere Credo talks about the Berbers' ancestors and their traditions which he inherited parts of.

    Those ancestors are also those of the Ganges who populated the Canary islands but also the founders of the Hawaii Huna tradition... as demonstrated in this book: "The Secret Science Behind Miracles" (see this post) which ties the Berber's language to the Huna language. With Ho'oponopono deriving from the latter... which leads to Steve Richards and his method/technique (see this post).

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    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    Hi Vivek,

    Thanks for posting that video. In it somewhere Credo talks about the Berbers' ancestors and their traditions which he inherited parts of.

    Those ancestors are also those of the Ganges who populated the Canary islands but also the founders of the Hawaii Huna tradition... as demonstrated in this book: "The Secret Science Behind Miracles" (see this post) which ties the Berber's language to the Huna language. With Ho'oponopono deriving from the latter... which leads to Steve Richards and his method/technique (see this post).
    Hi Amzer Zo... do you know if the transcript of the Steve Richards videos has been produced yet? I was unable to comfortably follow his video.
    Thanks, justone

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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
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    Hi Amzer Zo... do you know if the transcript of the Steve Richards videos has been produced yet? I was unable to comfortably follow his video.
    Thanks, justone
    Not yet, check Annalie's website: http://artemesiaspeaks.wordpress.com/


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    I don't know who put this together, but it's inspiring.


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    Quote Originally posted by Vivek

    For those of you who are unfamiliar with it, allow me to introduce you to The Stargate Conspiracy formulated by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince. This was supposed to be for the year 2000 but throw the Mayan Prophecy hype into the mix and the conpiracy becomes retrofitted for today (Project Enoch rings a bell).
    They also wrote The Secret History of Lucifer.

    From their website.

    Quote Yet also underlying the Lucifer myth is the implicit psychopathy of Yahweh, a god so jealous and incapable of self control, so lacking in maturity that he could accept no challenge, and wreaked havoc on those who stood up to him. Is Lucifer the evil one - or Yahweh?
    Lucifer, the 'Light-Bearer', the bright Morning Star - and not the hateful embodiment of evil, Satan - represents the eternally questing, challenging and evolving mind of humanity, the spirit of progress and equality. Gradually, as the Church began to lose its grip in the aptly named Age of Enlightenment, came the rise of science and esoteric groups such as the Freemasons (in the 18th century the two were inextricably entwined).

    Freedom brings its own challenges, and a darker side emerged with the many quasi-satanic groups who enjoyed the thrills of black masses behind the lace curtains of suburbia. However, the 20th-century founder of the Church of Satan, Anton laVey, viewed the Christian Church in a markedly Luciferan way - although his practices were too strong for many tastes and his showmanship too brash.

    Altogether more profound was occultist Aleister Crowley - also an exhibitionist given to outrageous acts - whose philosophy of 'Every man and Woman is a Star' arguably provides would-be Luciferans with the rules.

    But as we enter a new millennium, the hard-won freedoms are being eroded in the west, and the bright light of Lucifer is being eclipsed...

    LONG LIVE LUCIFER - BUT TO HELL WITH SATAN!
    http://www.picknettprince.com/books/...er/lucifer.htm


    When those artists argue......oops I mean researchers......it helps a lot tremendously.


    Laura Night Jadczyk and her response to Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince "research".


    Quote Apparently a reader of our site has recently invited the famous authors of some of my favorite reading material, Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, (The Stargate Conspiracy, The Templar Revelation: Secret Guardians of the True Identity of Christ, The Turin Shroud: In Whose Image?), to review the material on these pages so as to offer an opinion on same for publication and wide dessemination on their message board.
    We apologize deeply for having wasted your time. Thankfully, it gave us an opportunity to bring your concerns, mode of research, and questions regarding your own work to the attention of our readers so that it becomes apparent who is insultiing who’s intelligence. As you say: “who needs it?”

    Thus, in closing, let me just say that our theoretical outlook here is as Thomas Edison once said: genius is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration. What is important about a theory is not its source – the Cassiopaeans – but its ability to account for observations.

    We have the Cassiopaeans for that 10 percent. For the rest, we do our homework.
    It would be a much nicer world if everyone did.
    http://cassiopaea.org/2010/09/14/pic...-cassiopaeans/


    You have posted the Witches Sabbat by Michael Ford but he has written a more interesting book. Can it get worse... I guess it can.
    Luciferan Tantra Sex Magic” but I don’t know how to post it as it is available on line.



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    CULT-ure is over-rated too.

    Civilizations are usually anything but.

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    A different view of what actually builds up a "civilization":

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    [...]

    Twilight Of The Psychopaths

    by Dr. Kevin Barrett
    Spanish version

    from TheCanadian Website

    “Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.”
    – John Lennon, before his murder by CIA mind-control subject Mark David Chapman

    When Gandhi was asked his opinion of Western civilization he said it would be a good idea. But that oft-cited quote, is misleading, assuming as it does that civilization is an unmitigated blessing.

    Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years.

    Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder.

    The prevailing recipe for civilization is simple:
    1. Use lies and brainwashing to create an army of controlled, systematic mass murderers
    2. Use that army to enslave large numbers of people (i.e. seize control of their labour power and its fruits)
    3. Use that slave labour power to improve the brainwashing process (by using the economic surplus to employ scribes, priests, and PR men). Then go back to step one and repeat the process.


    [...]


    Continue here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...nerology08.htm
    ... wash it out... rince... repeat.

    If one lends credit to Edgar Cayce's account between the "sons" of the "law of one" and those of "Belial," ... slavery was the point of contention, particularly, "pleasure slaves."

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    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    CULT-ure is over-rated too.

    Civilizations are usually anything but.

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    A different view of what actually builds up a "civilization":

    Quote Posted by Amzer Zo (here)
    [...]

    Twilight Of The Psychopaths

    by Dr. Kevin Barrett
    Spanish version

    from TheCanadian Website

    “Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.”
    – John Lennon, before his murder by CIA mind-control subject Mark David Chapman

    When Gandhi was asked his opinion of Western civilization he said it would be a good idea. But that oft-cited quote, is misleading, assuming as it does that civilization is an unmitigated blessing.

    Civilized people, we are told, live peacefully and cooperatively with their fellows, sharing the necessary labour in order to obtain the leisure to develop arts and sciences. And while that would be a good idea, it is not a good description of what has been going on in the so-called advanced cultures during the past 8,000 years.

    Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder.

    The prevailing recipe for civilization is simple:
    1. Use lies and brainwashing to create an army of controlled, systematic mass murderers
    2. Use that army to enslave large numbers of people (i.e. seize control of their labour power and its fruits)
    3. Use that slave labour power to improve the brainwashing process (by using the economic surplus to employ scribes, priests, and PR men). Then go back to step one and repeat the process.


    [...]


    Continue here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...nerology08.htm
    ... wash it out... rince... repeat.

    If one lends credit to Edgar Cayce's account between the "sons" of the "law of one" and those of "Belial," ... slavery was the point of contention, particularly, "pleasure slaves."
    Great post 9eagle9. I had to say something about it. ANd thanks for quoting Edgar Cayce (he gets left out too often...yet people are usually quoting him and don't know it...and that is my opinion....and I am fine if I am inaccurate...it is just he is the first to mention these things that I have read myself....not that I necessarily recommend his books...they are hard to follow).

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    The Plantard Family Crest



    The Plantard family crest is regarded as the key to the Typhonian/Draconian Current, which is the demonic lineage of the Merovingian bloodline. The Typhonian Current refers to the Dragon lineage of Satan. Revelation 12:9 states: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world. "Typhon is...Plutarch asserts, the distinct 'Evil Principle' or the Satan of the Jews." (316) The key to the Draconian lineage — the Plantard crest — has been elucidated by Kenneth Grant, the Grand Master of the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO), the occult organization once headed by Aleister Crowley. Note the Merovingian symbols, the bears and the bees, in the Plantard crest. Also, do not miss Grant's assertion, amply supported by other sources, that the Prieuré de Sion has for some time controlled the Vatican. In his book Outer Gateways Kenneth Grant wrote:

    “In The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail, the authors reproduce the family crest of Clan Plantard, the contemporary representative of which was, until recently, the Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion, an Order which, according to [Henry] Lincoln, dominated the Order of the Knights Templar and various other highly influential institutions which, at certain periods of history, included the Vatican. The crest which supplies the key to the [Typhonian/ Draconian] Current represented by the Merovingian bloodline and the Order of Sion, comprises the symbols of the Typhonian line of descent: the two bears, eleven bees, and the fleur de lys. The motto incorporated in the crest reads 'et in Arcadia ego.' Arcadia=127, which is the number of the Egyptian Goddess Heqt who was typified by the 'lower part of the back, or haunch.'
    “The two bears denote the Mother (Typhon) and her son (Set) [Satan]. The image of the bee pictorializes the buzzing or humming vibration peculiar to the Outer Ones, or their vehicles. Eleven is the number of Those who are Without, or beyond, the Tree of Life, thus identifying the Outer Ones.' The Outer Ones are also the Qliphoth or the Ancient Ones of Lovecraftian lore. That the Typhonian Tradition and the Merovingian Tradition share the same important symbols seems to be much more then a mere coincidence.”
    Much more here: http://watch.pair.com/plantard-crest.html
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    I have just read an interesting post of a young person with a critical and questioning mind. A pleasure to read his posts! His talks about channeling but it applies to other areas as it is a mind control. I would only expand on one of the techniques – create confusion by bringing a vast body of information that may not even relate to a particular subject at all. Well, confused mind is easy to be controlled and programmed.

    Quote My opinion is that the majority of the most popular channeled stuff is coming from the upper level secret societies, via the military and intelligence groups. They know what people want to hear, but they also have to give it a certain amount of credibility so that people will believe it's genuine, which is not that difficult to do. The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry actually coined the term 'new-age' and are heavily involved with the promotion of certain authors, researchers and spiritual pundits, especially in the context of the greater conspiracy culture.

    They basically take the teachings from the old mystery religions, and then re-frame them in a modern science fiction context. Because these teachings contain certain eternal truths which people can relate to, they will always resonate with people on some level, but they've also been designed to appeal to the ego in a number of ways, which is designed to disarm you from being critical about what you're being told. They flatter you and give you lots of positive, promising information about yourself and the world, so that you have no real motivation to deconstruct it or criticize the package you're being sold. It's a very simple technique, which makes people far more open to suggestion than they would otherwise be, so that they're willing to accept the idea that its coming from an extraterrestrial or supernatural being.

    There is a huge difference between seeking the truth, and looking for a belief system which caters to your emotional needs though. These channelers are in the business of providing you with a substitute for the truth, be that your own personal truth or the truth of the world. Some of them are just garden variety charlatans who are looking to create their own personal religion, so that they can sell books and DVD's. If you're devious enough, and you study both the literature and the culture, you can make a decent living from churning out 'channeled' books and doing speaking engagements to hoards of new-agers. If you're spouting the right stuff, and show an ability to influence people, you might even get promoted by those behind the scenes.

    However, some of these characters are definitely paid agents of the establishment, bought and paid for from day one; who have been specifically sent out to create mystery and confusion. I also believe that many of these big time channelers who've put out popular books and the like, are there to break down the old religious and political beliefs, and promote new ones which better suit the global agenda - despite the fact that they claim to be part of the 'truth movement' and frequently criticize the elite. A few of them are no doubt unwitting pawns who are being subjected to various forms of mind control and psychological manipulation. Same goes for these forums and websites, the biggest of which are run by the military and/or intelligence organizations. They have plenty of agents pretending to be 'channelers' or 'experiencers', who are really there to try and form little cults, or to simply create an environment of mental chaos among the followers. We all saw a similar scenario with the whole 'Charles' fiasco over at Avalon, where people totally lost their bearings on reality. Either way, they get to keep tabs on everybody, and it helps them tap the pulse and figure out where people are at.

    Obviously, fascination is a big part of this process too, as people love to be mystified and will often consider anything that promises mystery and excitement, providing it's presented in the right way. These channelers take little snippets of truth and popular belief, and then expand on them until an entire imaginary universe has been created. They take ideas and possibilities which have already been built up in the mind over generations, tapping into the reservoir of mystical tradition, and injecting those themes into a plausible sounding narrative which people will want to believe. All of the metaphysical and supernatural suggestion that people have been previously subjected to, is presented in a context that gives it credibility and appeal. In truth - a great deal of this stuff is laughably obvious when you really look at it with a critical eye - as it has come straight out of science fiction films and TV-shows. Just about every one of these channelers or 'whistleblowers' that I've seen promoting new-age, conspiracy and UFO-type material, is making claims that can be traced directly back to a science fiction franchise or idea.

    A lot of the time though, it is simply a case of people leaving an orthodox religion like christianity or atheism because it isn't making sense or fulfilling them anymore. They go looking for answers and alternatives in the truth movement/alternative media, and often the first thing that pops up are these channelers and new-age guru types, who offer them new beliefs within a familiar structure. They're really just shopping for a new religion to join, and these pundits give them the same comforts and basic identity that they're used to, so they don't have to progress spiritually at all. Again, many of these characters are well funded agents who are deliberately working to keep people distracted with mystery and fantasy; to prevent them from honestly looking at themselves.

    The power elite have been doing this for ages, by sending out people like Crowley and other frontmen to enchant the public and encourage all kinds of beliefs and practices, most of which are simply homogenized, diluted versions of the old mystery school teachings - presented in quasi-scientific language. The basic techniques of persuasion, whereby you can establish an entirely new reality, are quite simple when the process is followed properly. These channelers are basically just taking all of those old mystery doctrines, and changing the details to suit a modern audience. They're being tailored specifically to fit a more scientifically inclined culture, with just the right balance between sensationalism and plausibility. Instead of the spirits and mythological entities of old, they're channeling aliens from galactic federations. Whatever is in the realm of scientific plausibility or popular metaphysical acceptance.

    All in all, this stuff has always been designed to send us off down paths of intrigue and mystique, and keep us engaged in belief systems which fire the imagination and appease the ego, but prevent us from transcending our programming and uncovering real truth. It's what Neil Armstrong might call ''truth's protective layers'', and there are indeed many layers protecting truth. Even those in the secret societies are only given a version of mystical doctrine that is appropriate for their rank and seniority. Some of them are right into it all though, they really do believe that they, or those in their occult circles are channeling entities. Whether it's real or imaginary, it's been a popular pastime for secret society members throughout ages.
    don't discount the possibility of telepathic contact in this context, nor do I claim that metaphysical experiences like this are not 'real'. One has to admit the possibility that some of these channelers are genuine, but I've yet to see one that isn't pushing a covert or suspicious agenda. It doesn't really matter which ones you follow, because they're all using the same rhetoric and promoting the same kind of mindset. The basic doctrine and mystical themes have all come from fiction and religion, whether they claim it's about star-gates, extraterrestrial shaman, or the spirits of those who have died.

    All you can really go on is your own personal experience. Otherwise you are accepting these claims on pure faith, and are in all likelihood being used in someone else's agenda.

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    Yo Zo! apologies, but i didn't understand... the time? 19:33? well, that's what my timezone says but I am in central timezome - can't wait for that transcript though and by the way thanks for the Pierre Derolne recommendation (again).
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