Soul harvester

[wynderer]

a question for both Renee & Carmody -- since you work w/the souls of those who have recently died -- & the title of this thread is 'Soul Harvester' -- do you agree or disagree that there are non-human entities who are capable of 'stealing' souls, keeping souls from progressing onwards , keeping souls captive as my Oreeon friend says can be done, capturing them the way John Lear says is done --

i personally think that souls can be caught & destroyed

[Carmody]

I did not physically, or psychically 'consciously' chose to do it on my own, the logic of it as a methodology came to me on it's own, when I realized I was out there on my own. As you well know, emotions and emotional conditionals are different in that space. However, the connection to the body makes the body suffer some of the force of such decisions and actions. I sensed no other presence nearby or in the area, so I simply got down to it. When I awoke the bed was soaked, I was soaked, as if someone had just dumped a 5 gallon bucket of water on me. I had to use a towel to dry off, and had to sleep on the other side of the bed for the rest of the night. I was visiting family at the time and it was Christmas, so when I was asked the next morning whether I had slept well, I stammered, 'oh, fine'. I mean, what can one say? I did not do such things of a similar nature for a while after that, as you might imagine.

As for the stealing of souls, and/or the capture and misuse of souls, I have no direct experience. However, I have come across many of what one might call 'soul shards' where the impression of the death remains as the over-arching factor in the given soul appearance and actions/behavior. Thus the stories of ghosts with strange shapes, groaning, floating hands, etc. Spirits lost in the moment of pain when they died or the conditions they died in.

If there is a harvesting of sorts, I'd think that these damaged souls would not be of interest, when easier to target/capture, more energetic and controllable souls -might be about. The problem of and with getting into such subjects is that the natural fear response of the living, here, can color things to the point of such fears attempting to come true, Ie you bring your obsession to you. Life is designed so you can obsess and work problems out, just don't be obsessing about the wrong issues!

I've not dealt with the John Lear stuff, I'll take a look at it.

For example, when you look at the Freedom Central interview with Bill Ryan, you may note that when a subject of similar nature came up, Bill deflected the question, seemingly not wanting to go down that road of inquiry. Probably for more than one reason, and I'm all for that. The interviewer (forget her name, apologies) was wise enough to note that non response and leave it alone.

Battles may be fought in those areas, but that is not how wars are won. A bad way phrasing it, it is. It's not good to even think of it as a war, in some important ways and for some important reasons. Human psychology being one of those root reasons. With that kind of patterned thinking, one begins to fall into the mind trap. Part of it is the ever consciously quiet efforts of the subliminal aspects of the ego to maintain control of the 'human edifice' if you will. The effort is to run you, you being uncontrolled overly emotional (ego subsystem in charge) and without reason..into the nets, in fear, remember?

Recall that in the modern military the thinking is that the battle is won in the psyop department....if there ever were a situation (overall situation, life with these sorts of thoughts) that commanded the title of being a psyop, this would be it.

Typhon scared Zeus and the other gods..and they changed into animals due to their fear response..and ran away. Only when Zeus regained his wits did he defeat Typhon.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vgAnMSnTZXA

[Peace of Mind]

Illuminati, 2012, soul harvesting, and aliens is all part of the illusion. If you think you will be a victim…you will. If you think you can save the world…you will. If you think you can’t handle a task alone…then you limit yourself. Your thoughts on ego, righteousness, sin, any and everything will attribute to your powers. Society has condition the masses to think with restrictions. Remove the boundaries and see the bigger picture. Staying powerless is no one else’s fault but the individuals. Saying/thinking you can’t is nothing but preconditioned beliefs implanted in you since a child to weaken you when you become an adult.

When you’re old enough to think for yourself…the thoughts in your head are not really yours, they are subliminal suggestions giving to you by another being who doesn’t know anything about you. Why do people allow this?

If you can get the whole populace to believe they are logically sound in their thinking (with controlled information and knowledge as their source of rationale evidence), you become a puppet master. When someone tells another that something is impossible they are being a detriment to that person’s abilities. They are placing a hindrance on that person (and self) because they themselves have no faith in performing the task at hand….so, what do they do? …create a blockage by using limited/inaccurate/ illuminate taught knowledge to deter another’s vision.

Anything that exists in the head can without a doubt be manifested. If it makes since in the mind, than it is real because everything is of the mind. To make it manifest…you have to believe it can. If the visualization doesn’t make sense in the mind, if you can’t actually picture it…than it will never be. Ideas can never be visible if there is doubt blocking it, simple. The problem with humanity is their subconscious is locked into a world of doubt/uncertainties. They waste time worrying about failures, and what someone else is not doing. Most of society is waiting for a savior from the unknown. To do this clearly shows how cowardly and insecure a person really is, how much they have been robbed of their power. It’s why most people are constantly looking for excuses to not get their hands dirty. They believe they can’t because the school books tell them this. Once they realize these learning institutions secretly teach a disempowering curriculum, they will easily recognize their opportunities to remove the shackles and put on the cape. There are no limits, no if, ands or buts, only what we collectively choose to create. Once humans stop fighting, debating, procrastinating, and living in fear….they will be free and safe from any harm imaginable. All the strife in life comes from us dwelling on it long enough…how many people in they world (consciously) think optimistic about any and everything? Not many because there is always a agent coming along to make sure you stay compliant. It’s on you and only you to do what’s right in your heart, no one else…all you ever needed (knowledge, health, direction, protection) is inside of you. you are the truth/God's extension experencing itself in a physical form.

Peace

[wynderer]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Illuminati, 2012, soul harvesting, and aliens is all part of the illusion. If you think you will be a victim…you will. If you think you can save the world…you will. If you think you can’t handle a task alone…then you limit yourself. Your thoughts on ego, righteousness, sin, any and everything will attribute to your powers. Society has condition the masses to think with restrictions. Remove the boundaries and see the bigger picture. Staying powerless is no one else’s fault but the individuals. Saying/thinking you can’t is nothing but preconditioned beliefs implanted in you since a child to weaken you when you become an adult.

When you’re old enough to think for yourself…the thoughts in your head are not really yours, they are subliminal suggestions giving to you by another being who doesn’t know anything about you. Why do people allow this?

If you can get the whole populace to believe they are logically sound in their thinking (with controlled information and knowledge as their source of rationale evidence), you become a puppet master. When someone tells another that something is impossible they are being a detriment to that person’s abilities. They are placing a hindrance on that person (and self) because they themselves have no faith in performing the task at hand….so, what do they do? …create a blockage by using limited/inaccurate/ illuminate taught knowledge to deter another’s vision.

Anything that exists in the head can without a doubt be manifested. If it makes since in the mind, than it is real because everything is of the mind. To make it manifest…you have to believe it can. If the visualization doesn’t make sense in the mind, if you can’t actually picture it…than it will never be. Ideas can never be visible if there is doubt blocking it, simple. The problem with humanity is their subconscious is locked into a world of doubt/uncertainties. They waste time worrying about failures, and what someone else is not doing. Most of society is waiting for a savior from the unknown. To do this clearly shows how cowardly and insecure a person really is, how much they have been robbed of their power. It’s why most people are constantly looking for excuses to not get their hands dirty. They believe they can’t because the school books tell them this. Once they realize these learning institutions secretly teach a disempowering curriculum, they will easily recognize their opportunities to remove the shackles and put on the cape. There are no limits, no if, ands or buts, only what we collectively choose to create. Once humans stop fighting, debating, procrastinating, and living in fear….they will be free and safe from any harm imaginable. All the strife in life comes from us dwelling on it long enough…how many people in they world (consciously) think optimistic about any and everything? Not many because there is always a agent coming along to make sure you stay compliant. It’s on you and only you to do what’s right in your heart, no one else…all you ever needed (knowledge, health, direction, protection) is inside of you. you are the truth/God's extension experencing itself in a physical form.

Peace

sigh -- then will you please manifest a million dollars for me, pronto?

[Carmody]

Posted by wynderer (here)
sigh -- then will you please manifest a million dollars for me, pronto?

A possible way to express it is that probability function is the same in both here and the asrtral realm that is in this discussion.

However, dense mass is the ruling or over-arching aspect of this realm so manifestation of will can take place but time and probability function are also in the equation so 'mass' or 'matter' tends to roll on, largely unperturbed. But it CAN be altered, and it does work. However intense concentration and will are required and that of a group response works best. Like the Buddhist monks praying and meditation in Washington DC stating the exact amount, percentage wise, that crime would decrease by, during their prayer session. And indeed, the records of crime in Dc during that time period was exactly as their prediction.

Now, in the astral realm in question, probability function is the same ...but.... matter or mass, is the opposite in strength and WILL and concentration are the ruling components. Ie if someone throws a rock or stone at you here and you stare at it and 'will it' to go elsewhere, there is very good chance you catch it, but not comfortably (ow!). It hits your head, you bleed, you stagger.

In that astral realm matter and mass means about the same as your will to deflect the stone here did. In that realm, mind, clarity, will, strength of will are the over-arching point of operation, with respect to 'physical laws of operation' that are at play. You can hit entities or be hit by entities...as hard as the rock hit your head (here), and there are even FAR more serious levels and ways of expression.

Whereas here, this mass of a ego and autonomous nervous response system work with regard to keeping the human body, edifice,and mankind overall ..on a sort of even keel....this deeply intrudes in manifestation in the astral realms. It causes us all kinds of grief.

Now, the story goes that our particular capacity to manifest on the astral realms exceeds that of the reptilians, thus their fear of us.....they come at us with the only weapon they have, which is through the channeling or commandeering..of the back door of our emotions and autonomous ego systems. They strike at our weakness. Like any reasonable warrior in a battle they hit our Achilles heel to take us down.

One could say that we have intense imaginations. They don't. Our curse --and our greatest gift. Coins have two sides, decide which side you want to play with or recognize the coin as being.

Now, if one overcomes their base fears and autonomous ego system via calming it or sublimating it in a workable fashion, their capacity to manifest in the astral realms in conscious and controlled ways.....simply shoots through the roof.

At that point, the ability of the given individual to manifest in 'this world' also skyrockets. Not to anything like that of while in the astral realms, but it does increase.

For example, the person known as 'John of God' (south American healer), it could be quite credible to say that some of his ability to manifest healing comes from the intense surrounding group belief that he can, so he does exactly that.

Thus the idea of not giving power to the wrong thoughts, people, or concepts.

[Peace of Mind]

Precisely my point.
Money is the root of all evil. More money more problems, money is the problem. Society made this the problem and the answer, when it clearly can’t be both, and it shouldn’t be worshipped. Diminish the money and claim responsibility.

If you want to be able to live without worries and financial stress…live and think like a millionaire and your desires will fall upon you. The universe will work in your favor because you are part of it…you have just been tricked to think you need money to survive…so you cause yourself setbacks, this is how the system tricks people. You’re not the only one thou.

Once you believe you can have anything you want with or without money…you win. Money changes the way people think in so many ways. If you think you need money to get what you need and want…then there will be rough roads ahead because you gave your power to this false God. You can have anything you want, anything….

Peace

[bashi]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)

You can have anything you want, anything.

Peace

i want a bouquet of roses in my room; manifested by you! Can you do that to prove your point?

[Peace of Mind]

If that’s what you want, you have to work on that yourself. Everything in my illusion has been manifested by me. If I have a problem, or received something I didn’t want then my thoughts were not in order. The more intent applied the less time it will take. Prolonged manifestations are caused by doubts in the mind, images in the mind of them failing to get what they want.

This is an exercise guys, practice makes perfect. It works for me and I’m sure it can for you too. Dwelling in negativity and doubt will rob you…as it always has… Where you place your will is solely on you. Society suffers because collectively we doubt each other mainly because we doubt ourselves. You won’t get much proof from me over the net…but you will get my truths. You have the choice to believe it or not, you always do. Spend your energy wisely… everything you do requires energy...everything.

Peace

[Wood]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Society has condition the masses to think with restrictions. Remove the boundaries and see the bigger picture. Staying powerless is no one else’s fault but the individuals. Saying/thinking you can’t is nothing but preconditioned beliefs implanted in you since a child to weaken you when you become an adult.

When you’re old enough to think for yourself…the thoughts in your head are not really yours, they are subliminal suggestions giving to you by another being who doesn’t know anything about you. Why do people allow this?

I find it strange that first you put the blame on the people for staying powerless and then you go on describing how our minds have been filled with the wrong ideas since birth.
Due to my experience with programming languages I can clearly see how it is not the fault of the mind (computer) what kind of software it runs. We probably have a connection to our spirit/soul at birth (pre-installed software), but then it gets overrun in a very clever way by the matrix, and that is NOT our fault. It might have been our fault, in a past incarnation, to fall in the trap, but then we can't be sure of what happened.
However, it is our responsibility to get out of the trap...

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
If you can get the whole populace to believe they are logically sound in their thinking (with controlled information and knowledge as their source of rationale evidence), you become a puppet master.

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
Anything that exists in the head can without a doubt be manifested.

I tend to believe that manifestation is quite real and it deserves to be given a serious try (activating the chakras for example). However, I have not experienced yet the kind of manifestation that would convince me (something popping out of nowhere). As far as I can tell, 'manifestation' could be not as powerful as depicted, or it could even be a clever plot to keep busy the few of us awakening. I think it is quite useful to be aware of how big the lie can be and that we may not have too many friends out there (or over here) helping us.

[bashi]

Well, Piece of Mind, let me blame you for manifesting me as sooo poweless....

[Carmody]

As for us 'humans' manifesting imagination as both our curse and gift.

The question then comes on such a pronouncement - how the reptilians, who seemingly do not possess such imaginations, how do they manifest?

Well, they, not having imagination, possess no doubt. Since they are absolutely sure in their existence in this given astral realm, then their manifestation is rock solid.

Our imagination, after the doubt leaves us, allows for not just rock solid manifestation, but manifold creation.

[Ross]

For me, it comes down to this...'what you think, you create' moment by moment, observe your thinking, then observe the physical and emotional manifestations that are created from these thoughts. This understanding lead me to realise this:

Our perception of reality, is based on our belief systems, a construct of the information we have received. This directly effects our thinking, what we create, every moment.

as my signature below suggests...

I feel that the more we understand these concepts the more awareness we have, particularly in regards to what we can control, and it starts with a conscious observation of our thinking, using the understanding of our 'perception of reality' statement above.

agree or not, for me this helps hugely...as the 'information I have received' is deeply flawed, and riddled with dis-info.

Regards

Ross

[wynderer]

Posted by Peace of Mind (here)
If that’s what you want, you have to work on that yourself. Everything in my illusion has been manifested by me. If I have a problem, or received something I didn’t want then my thoughts were not in order. The more intent applied the less time it will take. Prolonged manifestations are caused by doubts in the mind, images in the mind of them failing to get what they want.

This is an exercise guys, practice makes perfect. It works for me and I’m sure it can for you too. Dwelling in negativity and doubt will rob you…as it always has… Where you place your will is solely on you. Society suffers because collectively we doubt each other mainly because we doubt ourselves. You won’t get much proof from me over the net…but you will get my truths. You have the choice to believe it or not, you always do. Spend your energy wisely… everything you do requires energy...everything.

Peace

as William S Burroughs pointed out -- 'The collective can override the personal' -- i do feel sorry for all you personal power /personal manifestation believers when the collective juggernaut comes your way -- it seems to be all about you , yourself, your feelings, your thoughts , your will --you you you -- come to think of it, i haven't met many -- maybe not any -- personal reality creator believers among the activists i've done things with --

& maybe i haven't made myself clear -- it's a given to me that i do my best to see what is good & pure & noble & beautiful in the world & in the beings i meet -- but i'm not going to turn off my brain & think 'it's all good' --

[wynderer]

PeaceofMind -- Ross -- others who believe in thoughts creating reality -- here's a news article from Upside Down World:

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/news...ace-extinction

i'd like to know how you think personal reality creation/thought power plays into these tribe's lives -- seriously, i mean -- maybe you'll convince me that these tribes are creating their extinction in some way --

UN Report: Thirty-four Colombian Tribes Face Extinction
Written by Survival International
Wednesday, 08 September 2010 10:17

A report released by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees has warned that more than thirty-four Colombian tribes face extinction due to continuing violence on their lands.

The report found that, "In spite of new efforts by the state… the risk of physical or cultural disappearance remains, and in some cases has risen."

An increase in murders, death-threats, and the forced recruitment of indigenous youth into armed groups are just some of the dangers reportedly facing Colombia’s Indians. Internal displacement is also cited as a major issue that disproportionately affects Colombia’s tribal peoples. Of the country’s four million internal refugees, Indians make up 15% of the total, despite the fact that they represent just 2% of the national population.

Just two weeks before the report was released, leader Luis Socarrás Pimienta of the Wayúu tribe was shot-dead by an alleged paramilitary outside his home in the northern Colombian province of la Guajira. According to the report, murders of indigenous Colombians rose by 63% between 2008 and 2009, and thirty-three members of Colombia’s Awa tribe were killed in 2009 alone.

The Awa are mentioned alongside one of the Amazon’s last nomadic tribes, the Nukak, as requiring ‘special attention.’ More than half of the Nukak have been wiped out since the arrival of coca-growing colonists on their land. The Nukak remain trapped in a cruel limbo between oppressive refugee shelters on the outskirts of a town and the violence-stricken forest.

An earlier UN report cites a suspected programme of ‘ethnic cleansing’ in the country to make way for illicit crops or "to establish large-scale agro-business ventures, including palm oil plantations and beef cattle production."

"We can move around less and less, even to hunt or collect food," said a leader of the recently displaced Wounaan tribe, who blames the presence of armed groups and heightened violence on an influx of coca cultivation in Wounaan territory.

Survival’s director, Stephen Corry, said today, "Colombia’s former President lays claim to his successful campaign against violence, yet this report has again illustrated the country’s abysmal record of human rights abuses against its indigenous population. Juan Manuel Santos’ new government must act once and for all to protect its most vulnerable citizens from being wiped out, before it’s too late."

[Rimbaud]

From my point of view..peace of mind is a gift that I have always striven for. I've noticed that many of my friends don't even think about the things that we..as a Group tend to worry about. I wonder what is best? ignorance or enlightenment? Both points of view have substantial merits..and after all is said and done..I personally have come to the conclusion that that personal happiness through charity is the best answer. I'm not talking about money particularly...but a lack of selfishness and a state of mind where you put others needs before your own.

This is my point of view only..something I'm still mulling over in my mind; and in no way reflects any criticism on any other posts here.

Rimbaud

[Beren]

Posted by Rimbaud (here)
From my point of view..peace of mind is a gift that I have always striven for. I've noticed that many of my friends don't even think about the things that we..as a Group tend to worry about. I wonder what is best? ignorance or enlightenment? Both points of view have substantial merits..and after all is said and done..I personally have come to the conclusion that that personal happiness through charity is the best answer. I'm not talking about money particularly...but a lack of selfishness and a state of mind where you put others needs before your own.

This is my point of view only..something I'm still mulling over in my mind; and in no way reflects any criticism on any other posts here.

Rimbaud

Many are afraid that if they tell publicly what they think ,they would be mocked.
Again it`s the fear that binds people.
And it`s the Love that set you free for in Love all other virtues are inbedded and Love encircle them.

[Ross]

"We can move around less and less, even to hunt or collect food," said a leader of the recently displaced Wounaan tribe, who blames the presence of armed groups and heightened violence on an influx of coca cultivation in Wounaan territory.

My point was made above Wynderer, here it is again,

Our perception of reality, is based on our belief systems, a construct of the information we have received. This directly effects our thinking, what we create, every moment.

In their case, Its would be "the presence of armed groups and heightened violence on an influx of coca cultivation in Wounaan territory". Their perception of reality (the armed ones) creates the violence and displacment of the 'Wounaan tribe' which sadely, as has been the way for eons.

I am fortunate to live in a part of the world where I can control (mostly) how I choose to think, but in principle, I am still subject to the 'perception' of the controllers, trying to influence my thinking in hope of creating their reality as my own. Sadely, the majority of the worlds populace do not have this luxury, to think for themselves, let alone come to an understanding of the game being forced upon them.


Regards

Ross

[Ross]

Posted by Beren (here)
Many are afraid that if they tell publicly what they think ,they would be mocked.
Again it`s the fear that binds people.
And it`s the Love that set you free for in Love all other virtues are inbedded and Love encircle them.

Indeed Beren,

The plague of 'the fear of what others think' effects every being, a massive component in the perception of one's ability to freely think for themselves and to understand the programming put in place.

Regards

Ross

[wynderer]

Sadely, the majority of the worlds populace do not have this luxury, to think for themselves, let alone come to an understanding of the game being forced upon them.

thank you, Ross -- that's the gist of my point -- if a spiritual truth doesn't hold true everywhere, for everyone, then , imo, it is not a truth -- it's a convenient way of thinking , usually w/denial & justification in the mix

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[Rimbaud]

Posted by Ross (here)
My point was made above Wynderer, here it is again,

Our perception of reality, is based on our belief systems, a construct of the information we have received. This directly effects our thinking, what we create, every moment.

In their case, Its would be "the presence of armed groups and heightened violence on an influx of coca cultivation in Wounaan territory". Their perception of reality (the armed ones) creates the violence and displacment of the 'Wounaan tribe' which sadely, as has been the way for eons.

I am fortunate to live in a part of the world where I can control (mostly) how I choose to think, but in principle, I am still subject to the 'perception' of the controllers, trying to influence my thinking in hope of creating their reality as my own. Sadely, the majority of the worlds populace do not have this luxury,
to think for themselves, let alone come to an understanding of the game being forced upon them.


Regards

Ross

Ross,

I agree totally with what you just wrote... But love is the key surely? I struggle to love many aspects of my life or others lives...those who live with me and those who live elsewhere..I don't believe in blind love..that "Happy Clappy" kind of Nivaric glee that some seem to espouse..my love is of a more earthy kind of thing. I fight with it and despite trying to master it..probably I will never be able to. This is my individual battle however..as I believe all of our Souls strive for similar things..