The Bible

[heyokah]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)

Dear Red,

I think it depends on one's own state of mind at the very moment of death, whether one will 'experience' heaven or hell.
If one dies in pain, anger, hate or fear and one is not properly prepared for death, one will find oneself in 'a hell of a pain, hate, anger or fear' at the other side. So in one's own personally created hell.

hey Heyokah


i don't know if you took the time

to watch the very short clip posted above


but this man died and went to hell

and he is a Christian


so being a Christian is no fireproof certificate


the whole world is deceived and we have been living a lie

hell is packed

I was brought up without religion, with much love, compassion and a lot of common sense.
I'm sure Jesus would have loved me if he had met me.

During a coma of 3 weeks, I saw what I think was hell, without experiencing it, as I choose to be an observer.
And I saw what I think was heaven, which I choose to experience.

As I told you, you can create your own hell when time is there.

Packed or non-packed

You can also choose for heaven.

[RedeZra]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)
so being a Christian is no fireproof certificate

I was brought up without religion, with much of love, compassion and a lot of comman sense.
I'm sure Jesus would have loved me if he had met me.

During a coma of 3 weeks, I saw what I think was hell, without experiencing it, as I choose to be an observer.
And I saw what I think was heaven, which I choose to experience.

As I told you, you can create your own hell when time is there.

perhaps Jesus gave you a vision

He is God you know


and He says in the Good book

if you love Me then you will follow Me and obey My commands

[RedeZra]

Posted by deridan (here)
when it comes to the violence part (and the sacrifice part which is intertwined with the law), i prefer the Kabalist attitude,
that the events do not represent something in-themselves, but represent an intrinsic spiritual attitude.

i believe the sin offering of old Israel

were just dress rehearsals

for the Real sin sacrifice


before God flung creation into existence


He had decided to offer Himself

as Payment for us transgressing His laws


we only have to accept it or reject it

[heyokah]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

perhaps Jesus gave you a vision

He is God you know


and He says in the Good book

if you love Me then you will follow Me and obey My commands

Thanks.

So I looked up the commands. Thank God for Internet ;-)

I must say, these Commands were pretty much the 'rules of life' I was brought up with.
My mother had one real serious rule/advice/command though:
"Don't do unto others what you don't want done to you."

So without the Bible we humans know deep inside how to live.

IN LOVE.

[Beren]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by deridan (here)
when it comes to the violence part (and the sacrifice part which is intertwined with the law), i prefer the Kabalist attitude,
that the events do not represent something in-themselves, but represent an intrinsic spiritual attitude.

i believe the sin offering of old Israel

were just dress rehearsals

for the Real sin sacrifice


before God flung creation into existence


He had decided to offer Himself

as Payment for us transgressing His laws


we only have to accept it or reject it

That`s the beauty which is higher that human mind can grasp;
namely a system of thought or pattern of how people of that time thought and living their life was a sacrifice for redemption.
Blood for blood.

When you are primitive you cannot grasp higher concepts for they sound alien to you so the easy one is to show you that blood which gives life to an animal is there to show you that you also have a blood that gives you life.

So when sacrificing other blood (or life of that clean animal) you would think (at least ) that you cleaned your own blood before God.

Of course God knew that all this is lame in essence and not needed at all BUT and I repeat BUT since God does NOT stop human evolution or shorten it, God allowed this at first-primitive concept to envelop.

Sacrifice of one life for another.

They couldn`t understand that life supports life so they had to understand it by physical example.
In God reality nothing is lost and wasted and any animal or human life isn`t forgotten.

Then God came in Christ to ultimately finish this practice meanwhile teaching them to elevate themselves and to understand high ways of God and spirit.

Really what happened?

From human view point -Jesus is killed . Dead.
From God view point - Jesus didn`t die and he came back to life.

To show us that we`re of God and that we actually LIVE always when we know God.
So if we stomp upon a thing that WE call death ,we realize afterwards that we didn`t die, just went into other dimension.

Nothing dies because all was made of God. It can only transform as all energy does.

Key is that we understand this and have no fear.

So Christ died for us. True. But Christ lived and lives for us. We live in him and he in us -if we understand this.
If we agree to move on into light.

[RedeZra]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

if you love Me then you will follow Me and obey My commands

Thanks.

So I looked up the commands. Thank God for Internet ;-)

I must say, these Commands were pretty much the 'rules of life' I was brought up with.
My mother had one real serious rule/advice/command though:
"Don't do unto others what you don't want done to you."

So without the Bible we humans know deep inside how to live.

IN LOVE.

yes Heyokah we know

but the Bible is there to remind us

that these Ten Commandments are from God


and not man made laws

subject to whether or not a criminal is caught

and can afford a good lawyer


some don't believe God gave mankind Commandments


they think we are free to do whatever we will

with no consequences as long as we don't get caught


nobody is looking

but God

[RedeZra]

just an ordinary human being as indoctrinated as the rest of us

died and met Jesus

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YKNpYddkh9E

[heyokah]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

if you love Me then you will follow Me and obey My commands

Thanks.

So I looked up the commands. Thank God for Internet ;-)

I must say, these Commands were pretty much the 'rules of life' I was brought up with.
My mother had one real serious rule/advice/command though:
"Don't do unto others what you don't want done to you."

So without the Bible we humans know deep inside how to live.

IN LOVE.

yes Heyokah we know

but the Bible is there to remind us

that these Ten Commandments are from God


and not man made laws

subject to whether or not a criminal is caught

and can afford a good lawyer


some don't believe God gave mankind Commandments


they think we are free to do whatever we will

with no consequences as long as we don't get caught


nobody is looking

but God

I don't need the Bible to remind me Red. Sorry.

These truths (Commandments) are in me, as I am a part of god.
So are the Yamas and Niyamas of the yogis (universal moral commandments) in me as I'm part of the universe.

*UPDATE*

Here some information about YAMA and NIYAMA, as many will not know what I am talking about.
http://www.bradpriddy.com/yoga/yamani.htm

You may be familiar with hata yoga, but few will actually know that hata yoga is only one of the eight limbs of Raja Yoga.
Yama and Niyama are two other important limbs, perhaps even the most important ones.

For more information:
http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Yama_and_Niyama.html

[heyokah]

Dear Red,

I transported this reply from the other thread to your own thread.
I thought that was more appropriate....

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by Fred Steeves (here)
RedeZra, regardless of the age old arguments. Do you reckon Jesus would approve of the way you have facilitated the hijacking of Jack's thread in his holy name? You do realize you're getting precariously close to generally being seen as troll like here now, right?

if i am a troll for setting the record about Jesus straight then so be it

besides i thought topics about Christ were open for Christians


maybe you want a brand new Jesus

but He hasn't changed ; )

Dear Red,

By saying

So I don't HAVE to be IN CHRIST.....

I meant "I don't have to be a fundamentalist follower of the organized religion called Christianity".
I can see what it has done and is doing to people.......and forums....
Maybe I should have put IN CHRIST in parentheses to make it more ironical.

As for Christ Consciousness , I think it is the state of awareness of our true nature, our higher self, and our birthright as children of God.

As far as I know, Jesus achieved this Christ Consciousness in his human life, and was given this term before his name as the recognition of his achievement of this spiritual status.
Hence his name Jesus Christ.

but for Heaven's sake Heyokah

He received the Holy spirit at the baptism in river Jordan



no need to go to church

but read the Bible

and if you want Him you will meet Him

****

"What's in a name?
That which we call a rose
By any other name
would smell as sweet."

****

"Christ Consciousness is the direct line to the Divine, the Holy Spirit.

Whether it be God, Jesus Christ, Buddha, and many more Masters that have walked this Earth, they all have the same thing in common, they wished for, studied, and walked in Peace.

They accepted, demonstrated and became enlightenment on their journeys.

And, regardless of whether you want it or not, we all have the energy of Christ within us.

Jesus taught this as he walked the Earth. "These things that I do, you can do also."

His message was LOVE. Love yourself. Love another. Walk in love and do not fear. Live in a loving way.

When you achieve this, then you are your own Master, you have achieved enlightenment, you have a direct line to the Glory of ONENESS.

This ONENESS is the highest vibrational energy available to you! Why would you not want this in your life?

The Holy Spirit is the Source of all things - Truth, Love and the Goodness of life.

Understand and use the belief system for this; it will improve everyone individually. You will gain spiritual growth immediately, and be aligned to a Higher Source.

This is your birthright - you are part of the Great I AM.
Your Christ Consciousness awareness is only achieved when the human mind structures itself with intention, and gives attention and openness to all life and all possibilities.".....

From the article : Christ Consciousness

read further;
http://www.connectwithspirit.net/new...-consciousness

[RedeZra]

satan is very clever

after all he is an illustrious angel


and for 6000 years he have been plotting

with legions on how to destroy us


he got nothing to loose

legions got nothing to loose


they are condemned

and they want us with them


life is all about escaping the snares of satan

who is running out of time

[heyokah]

Posted by RedeZra (here)
satan is very clever

after all he is an illustrious angel


and for 6000 years he have been plotting

with legions on how to destroy us


he got nothing to loose

legions got nothing to loose


they are condemned

and they want us with them


life is all about escaping the snares of satan

who is running out of time

Poor Red,
Is this what your belief has made of you? .... A scarred boy.

All this Hell and Damnation you are pouring out on us avalonians.
Have you been recruited for this kind of missionary activity? Is this your job?

I always thought God, Jesus, Christianity was about love and kindness,

because kindness keeps the world afloat

Watch and share it! STAND-UP

Don't I sound like a missionary now. LOL

[RedeZra]

this life on earth

as we know it

is not old


and it is coming to a close


humanity has been on a 6000 year countdown

plenty of time for evil to play itself out


life is not only about us

but also the angels


and God is the God of all

[RedeZra]

Posted by heyokah (here)
Poor Red,
Is this what your belief has made of you? .... A scarred boy.

All this Hell and Damnation you are pouring out on us avalonians.
Have you been recruited for this kind of missionary activity? Is this your job?

I always thought God, Jesus, Christianity was about love and kindness,

did you ever wonder why there is so much evil lies and deceit in the world ?

where it comes from and why it exists and how long it will last


these are the questions i work with

the why where when and how


i'm seeking a coherent explanation of everything

based on experience artifacts testimonies etc


while many of you are just emotional

clinging to sweet lies and oh we wish it is so


i just want the Truth

and so i spit on your idols

[heyokah]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

did you ever wonder why there is so much evil lies and deceit in the world ?

where it comes from and why it exists and how long it will last


these are the questions i work with

the why where when and how


i'm seeking a coherent explanation of everything

based on experience artifacts testimonies etc


while many of you are just emotional

clinging to sweet lies and oh we wish it is so


i just want the Truth

and so i spit on your idols

Aren't we all searching for the truth here?

You can do the best research with an open mind Red.

And by the way, I don't have idols and I never spit.
That is against my commands.

I leave it at this.

Be well.

[Billy]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by RedeZra (here)

if you love Me then you will follow Me and obey My commands

Thanks.

So I looked up the commands. Thank God for Internet ;-)

I must say, these Commands were pretty much the 'rules of life' I was brought up with.
My mother had one real serious rule/advice/command though:
"Don't do unto others what you don't want done to you."

So without the Bible we humans know deep inside how to live.

IN LOVE.

yes Heyokah we know

but the Bible is there to remind us

that these Ten Commandments are from God


and not man made laws

subject to whether or not a criminal is caught

and can afford a good lawyer


some don't believe God gave mankind Commandments


they think we are free to do whatever we will

with no consequences as long as we don't get caught


nobody is looking

but God

The commandments that are in the bible given by Yahwey, one of the many Elohim are a corruption of the original text and not the literal translation of the text. There were never 10.

Posted by RedeZra (here)
satan is very clever

after all he is an illustrious angel


and for 6000 years he have been plotting

with legions on how to destroy us


he got nothing to loose

legions got nothing to loose


they are condemned

and they want us with them


life is all about escaping the snares of satan

who is running out of time

Wow Red, Tell me is your earth still flat, Do you never listen to scientific archeology factual evidence that humanity has been around for hundred of thousands of years. My goodness the flood was 11000yrs ago.

It was never the plan of the deceiver to destroy humanity only to control, The deceiver feeds from humanities fear, It is humanity that provides the food to the deceiver that enables the deceivers survival.

Can you not avoid this question like the many you have avoided before.
Why did you come to avalon, Was it to preach the gospel? To try and convert Avalonians. Was it to share and learn from others, Or what reason was it, I am interested.

Peace

[RedeZra]

Mary Kay Baxter went to Heaven

so she could give a report about it back to us


look and learn

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=15Zvh7qCKJ0

[RedeZra]

Posted by billyji (here)
Can you not avoid this question like the many you have avoided before.
Why did you come to avalon, Was it to preach the gospel? To try and convert Avalonians. Was it to share and learn from others, Or what reason was it, I am interested.

do you think God is just gonna abandon you

so you get lost


no He is reaching out to you til the very end

[Billy]

Posted by RedeZra (here)

Posted by billyji (here)
Can you not avoid this question like the many you have avoided before.
Why did you come to avalon, Was it to preach the gospel? To try and convert Avalonians. Was it to share and learn from others, Or what reason was it, I am interested.

do you think God is just gonna abandon you

so you get lost


no He is reaching out to you til the very end

Is this your answer Red, You are here to reach out till the very end??

If so my friend you will be here till death do us part or eternity, for there is no end

[RedeZra]

Posted by billyji (here)
If so my friend you will be here till death do us part or eternity, for there is no end

yes you're right

souls don't die


we will spend eternity somewhere


so i think it is a good idea to investigate

where we go when we die


so many say we just come back

but the Bible doesn't say that


in fact there are only two options in the Good book

Heaven or hell


perhaps we just got this one shot and chance to accept Jesus

before death and then eternity

in Heaven or hell


so we don't want to go wrong here

we must make sure


that this short finite life on earth

send our souls to Heaven


and if we don't want to go there

then well the alternative is worse


what's wrong with Heaven anyway ?

[RedeZra]

Bill Wiese spent 23 min in hell

imagine

eternity

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=1ap53TAWp-0