Ghosts?

[donk]

My girl "sees dead people".

I was receptive to this when she finally let go of her fear of her "gift" and started talking to me about it, as my best friend growing up had some angry entity in his house that messed with us a lot when we were kids.

I have never SEEN a ghost, maybe felt the presence once (in my current home)--but I have experienced their effects on my 3D/5 sense reality several times.

Couple this with several other 2nd hand accounts from people that I trust would never make it up, plus countless TV shows and accounts in media and art, and I am convinced there is something to the phenomenon.

Living with my girl, I have become convinced that they are conscious entities (my previous belief was that it was intense left over emotional energy that attached itself to a particular place).

Having experiences where they seem to be making decisions and direct interactions, I feel that they are at least a part of a "soul" or being or whatever.

Are they perhaps trapped in between dimensions? Maybe stuck on their attachments to this one, and unwilling to move on?

They seem trapped in a small space (usually a house, but we got some out in the bushes too), this is troubling to me in my spiritual journey--WTF are they doing there?

Do they WANT help, and if so--can we help them?

I can't think of a worse form of "hell" than being stuck in one place/experience for what seems like eternity--but I know not everyone is like me, and maybe change is hell others.

As my girl has been growing, she seems to want to take the responsibility that comes with her power/ability...and definitely wanted to help the "girl" out in our bushes that was crying out to her the other night, but does not know how or believe she can.

I am not even sure if it really wants help, is really what it is appearing to be to her (maybe it is a trick from a bad spirit playing on her compassion, in order to trap/feed off of/possess her?).

Any insights? I don't want mess with stuff I don't even come close to understanding, whenever I do that it, it usually causes problems. Any guidance or feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[RMorgan]

Hey mate,

I´ve seen many of them.

At least the ones I see seem not to be very interested about me.

Many times I had the sensation that they actually can´t see me, in fact.

Personally, I haven´t made many efforts to communicate with them and I don´t intend to do so as well.

Frankly, I don´t want more trouble than I already have.

My own view about them, at least those I see, is that they aren´t conscious. I think they are some sort of an echo, or a "recording".

Do you know when a person loses a leg or an arm in an accident? Often, they keep the sensation of these limbs for a long time. People call them "ghost limbs".

Now, imagine when someone dies abruptly and loses the whole body. Maybe what´s left is a "ghost body", without conscious, just an echo of a long lasting existence, repeating over and over what the original person used to do routinely.

There´s a theory that houses have some kind of holographic memory. It tries to explain why old houses often are affected with the ghost phenomenon. It says that most ghosts are different than souls; they are just recorded holographic energetic signatures. At least for me, judging by my experiences, it´s very plausible.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Soul Safari]

It's interesting to hear what ION has to say about ghosts and his take on them. Not sure exactly where on what show it was talked about but take a look for yourself. Very interesting talkshow that's for sure..

http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/

[donk]

They don't seem to see me either (I believe in them, but they don't believe in me!), and I subscribed (maybe still do) to your echo view. Which leads me to think what was going on the other night was maybe different.

We had our house cleansed with sage by a wiccan friend last month, which eased the ones in our house enough to give my girl some peace (they were harassing her). I find the echo theory could fit them, that it is a holographic projection of our house.

The ones the other night (which I described in more detail in a different thread) to me are seeming like a projection of a different entity. It was luring my girl to a space outside the house, and she felt the ones there were connected to the neighbor's house.

She claims (and I believe her--it was real, to her at least) to have stepped into different dimension (black & white and empty except for stars--could not hear or feel me clinging to her, had to physically pull her out) when going to the spot where she was drawn to by whatever it was.

I am strongly leaning toward the realization that she is an abductee, and am wondering the ET/ED connection to ghosts. I feel there are two phenemona at play, where she is able to see/interact with ghosts(disembodied souls?) on one hand, and being messed with by some sort of e being on another.

I will check out the radio shows, thanks so much.

[donk]

If you are interested in the long drawn out story, I posted it here (sorry etheric for jacking the thread--I just got off probationary membership yesterday or I would have started new thread sooner):

http://"http://projectavalon.net/for...-too-normal--"

[donk]

SS -- that link takes me to James Martinez, what is ION?

[Vala]

Donk,
From my experience all of what you describe exists on some level. Yes, there are what I like to call energetic imprints where under the right conditions it is like viewing a recording or a holographic memory. The same ghost walking down the same hallway at roughly the same time of day and it is never interactive.

You do have to be careful with conscious interactive entities. I would suggest that you and your girl both look into different modes of psychic self defense and find a method that feels right for you. I myself take a more shamanistic approach.

I would trust your gut too. If you feel an entity is messing with you it probably is. IMHO those kind of energies being in your space are a matter of personal power. Go inward, what do you have to learn about yourself in these experiences. The more you learn about yourself, the more you will understand the energies around you.

[donk]

Yeah MS, thank you--I hear that--but she is the one manifesting most of it. We are learning and growing together, and I am much further along just because I've learned to go inward, and for the most part have become more or less fearless. I'm all about new experiences, and would totally be all about whatever if it were not for her fear. We're getting there, she's amazing and I feel we were meant to be...I just need to figure out how to open my senses to the extra-dimensional that I've never consciously experienced that I remember (I don't even remember my dreams any more)...can you point me to some of this shamanistic approach?

[Vala]

Shamanism is all about being multi-dimensional and understanding that everything has a consciousness. You can talk to the rocks, the trees, the water and yes other dimensional entities too.

I think you hit the nail on the head, it is about her fear. She is manifesting or drawing these energies to her for a reason. You can love and support her through these experiences but, ultimately it is up to her to stand in her own power.

[Soul Safari]

Posted by donk (here)
SS -- that link takes me to James Martinez, what is ION?

There is posts on ION on Avalon. Bit of a mad one really..

Im not one for drawn out conversation on this. Best leave it to someone who really knows there onions on this subject. Only cos i not want to get it wrong. But, do your homework on this and go through the archive information. So many subjects that shed in a whole NEW light. I'll leave it up to you to make your own judgment.

But he has very interesting perspective points on what ghosts actually are. Something on plasma (if my memory serves me correct) left behind.

Maybe start here- http://informationfarm.blogspot.co.uk/p/ion.html

[kcbc2010]

"Lightworker: Understand Your Sacred Role as a Healer" is a good book to read. It's about a lady who accepts her gift to help spirits. Good read/information.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/160...HMA5QP0SNPWTRR

[Mulder]

I feel that what most people call "ghosts" are evil entities who have been watching us our whole lives "pretending" to be the spirit of your dead relative/friend/etc. They do this to scare us and manipulate us into doing things they want e.g. committing suicide to join them. Personally, I can't see how any soul could get "stuck" in our 3-D world after they die. However, there are many other things out there like Angels, many races of ETs, etc but positive entities would never manipulate us like negative ones do.

[huyi82]

they stay behind because of emotional attachment and "they live" in the astral, also ghosts and spirits are two different beings, ghosts are the holographic memory you talk about but there are spirits who are conscious beings and do interact with our surroundings as i found out the hard way.

i see them too and in one occasion it interacted with me to try and get my attention by looking down at my face while i was laying on the bed, it was a very rude awaking lol its hard to embrace this gift because people call you mad for talking to yourself when they can't see what you are talking to, all i can advise your daughter is to go to a spiritualist church for more guidance or look up the info you need online to develop your skills, i also respect you for not telling your daughter that what she sees is her imagination, i never got that as a kid so it was hard for me.

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thanks...


This is a great interview with Jackie O'Keeffe, she explain her experience when she started to see ghosts, and she even work as a ghostbuster.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NuGQrAQboLU

[huyi82]

i can relate to jac, although i started to see them at a young age, i can also related to the fear and sleeping with the lights on, it took me a while before i could turn the lights off, also she is right about the connection thing, if you notice them they notice you which can also be a good thing or a bad thing, the bad thing about it is they won't leave you alone and become attached to you so you have to sever contact with the spirit for your own safety, also they are very physically able as jac has mentioned, i haven't been thrown thanks god but stuff moved and floating in mid air e.t.c that spooked me enough, unfortunately i can't see animals which was a interesting subject to talk about, i've only seen human spirits, also like jac i can't control it i can't see them at will only when they want to be seen or if they make themselves known i can see them unless i sense them, will watch more of the video later.

[jack]

I along with many acquaintances have studied this phenomenon for many years. Its safe to say we have been thorough in our methods and any conclusions that have been drawn have been based on both our shared expertise and thorough investigation.

Some points that might help you make your decision on what to do next, donk.

* Ghosts do exist

* Some ghosts are residual imprints of events that had a strong emotional charge in the past which create a repetitive loop in the environment.

* Some ghosts are human spirits who have crossed over but do not know how or do not want to cross over into the light to continue their spiritual journey.

* Some ghosts are genuinely good people just like you and I. Oftentimes their limited understanding of the spiritual realms leads to their being trapped in the dimension between this world and the next. Sometimes they just need to be pointed in the right direction so they can continue their spiritual journey.

Now onto something very important that you must take into consideration before embarking on any attempts to help these beings.

* Some people, often children, have the ability to perceive and communicate with spiritual entities.

* There *are* evil entities out there. The most popular term for them in western culture is "demonic forces".

* Demonic forces often target and pursue people who have this ability. People like your girl are like a shining light in the astral world and will attract any kind of entity who wishes to create a link with this 3rd dimensional physical reality. BE VERY CAREFUL

* Evil entities *do* conform to the expectations and beliefs of their perceived victim. If you are religious they will take on religious characteristics which conform with those presented in the bible. If you are native American they will conform with the beliefs and expectations of that culture. They can and often do take on the form of small children in order to gain the trust of whomever they have chosen. Once they have gained enough power through interaction with the living they will drop the masquerade and embark upon a reign of terror which can end up lives being lost. If you want an example of how powerful and destructive these entities can be then you can refer to the case of the DeFeo murders in Amityville and also the terror experienced by the Lutz family after moving into the house 13 months later.

* Evil entities are programmed to want nothing other then to inflict as much pain and suffering as possible. Any behavioural changes in your child can be a good indication that the entity they are dealing with does not have good intentions.



To sum it all up ; You share the same intentions as myself in regards to helping spiritual beings cross over into the light. I will just warn you to be very careful when dealing with anything of this nature. Demonic forces do exist and are very very dangerous. They can take advantage of your good nature and destroy everything you hold dear. I am not saying this to incite fear, it is only out of genuine concern for your predicament.

Contact a local paranormal investigation team. If you send me a pm with your general area I can recommend one who will help you in respect to your particular situation. The majority of them do no charge for their services but those who do are often worth it for their additional expertise.