Welcome to The Pub At the End of the Universe.

[Borden]

Dammit ... another picture that won't post. Very annoying



Ah, it worked. Keeps making me laugh.

[Borden]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y__caH4kdGU

[songsfortheotherkind]

Ok! Reply part the two, with amendments.

I would love to know what that one source was that you found to be of value.

I haven't read all of the material, because I find I have a different search mechanism to most. What made me cry in the material I did read was the rejection of the heteronomy. They do use different words to describe things: I never use the Divine to describe the evolution Consciousness, Divine has too much connotation for me that I don't ascribe to, yet the fundamental idea behind what they're talking about resonates deeply within this sui generis heart.

http://www.wingmakers.us/ this is the original site, before it was tampered with.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmakers this is the essay that made me cry in recognition.

I know there are threads on this forum regarding this material. I have no interest in weighing in on the debate, as I don't enjoy debate. When I read this material I connected with the downloads in a major way for several days, which resulted in a leap in my ability to communicate the sui generis concepts. I touch briefly now and again with the material- as I said, these links were given to me almost as soon as I got to Avalon and I didn't think it co-incidental. I usually don't read much about other signals, and this one makes me feel a deep longing for somewhere not here.

Well, as I said, I just take the bits from the various sources of info I find that are relevant, and leave the rest.

*nodding* Like Mr Universe said- they can't stop the signal, Mal. I have refined my ability to sense 'source code' pretty much anywhere these days- it's leaking out everywhere because, just as in Jurassic Park, no matter how much the controllers try to suppress the Life signal, it's going to find a way to be expressed. That's what it does.

The rate of positive change and evolution on the planet in general feels slow as molasses to me... Will a change in planetary frequency change everything? I sure do hope so! But I don't think it's going to happen overnight, and the few channelers I read reflect that clearly, and offer useful info that helps me to be patient and monitor the small frequency changes that I can feel as we go...

I don't focus on 'out there' any more. I have absolutely *no influence whatsoever* on whether the general population gets A Clue about anything. I'm not here for that. I don't focus on them. I used to and it got me into nothing but Worlds of Ghastly Goo, as well as nearly ending this avatar on a couple of occasions. I looked at this, looked at them, looked at how all the looking at them was taking up my time, energy and space without evolving me and figured 'hmm, something's not right here!' So I looked into the virus agenda of telling individuals that 'caring' about others means 'getting in their story' and 'bleeding away your precious energy to feed another's story'.

ah. insert Borden's recent Joker video here. I have stood back and watched the societal programming called 'emotion' run it's riots in both others and my Self. I'm learning to look with suspicion on everything that comes up in me: my sui generis signal seems to take my in a diametrically opposed direction to pretty much everything that others hold up and point to saying 'higher vibration' or any other such labels. I'm Otherkind and believe me, I am physically oriented, capable of great passion and ability to exchange energy with other Beings, and I seem to be withdrawing from the actual physical realms to make those kinds of connections until my connections are able to physically materialise here, simply because the entanglements appear to be too great for me to negotiate and that makes exchanging/feeding... *shrugs* If I didn't have Pan, I'd probably be dead, but he grins at me and pours energy into me and he and my Otherkind partner lean into me and remind me that that was the deal, I was never going to be abandoned here alone again, and so I can walk through this faint signal miasm and survive here. He is also nudging me and telling me I'm being dramatic about the dead thing, but when I turn with raised eyebrows he just kind of smiles and shrugs.

And individuals wonder why Otherkind and Starkind don't appear here. *shakes head* I have no idea how the humans survive, truly, this zombie existence they call 'life' is as remote from being connected to the signal as are the furtherest opposite points of the physical realms. *grinning* not that distance has anything to do with it at all. The signal here is so devastating to endure, when you're still connected to the otherrealms. Pan and N save me from the worst of it. I do keep trying to make connection with incarnates, and I sometimes do, in little ways, and there's still so much noise that I am constantly constrained in the playing. I accept that now. It's probably quite likely that I won't experience my falling upwards until the Veil is down and I can touch Pan in the physical realm again. I try not to think about being able to touch N again- that connection is too intense. We're careful not to pull me out of here.

From post #3552

I've been wondering about how that is: what is in me that makes me so vulnerable to having my integrity questioned or maligned, or being called a coward, or pathetic, or having my character viewed along those lines? When I look at it I recognise that there's a part of me that experiences my caring about someone to be tied into either disinterest or a contract being pushed towards me that says 'you care about me, you have to accept my crap behaviour'. I know that I hesitate to decline that because inside I feel that this is the only kind of deal that I'm going to be offered, that it's all I'm worth, ultimately.

I'm going to answer my own quote with something that I am aware of about me. It's why I posted the Dido song: 'if I don't learn to buy', rather than talk of travel and that. I have always held back from *truly* 'buying', holding my Self out from what I always knew deep down about my Self, what direction I wanted to turn towards. I know why this is. I didn't want to do things that would result in my being more isolated and cut off from others than what I already am here. I've been exploring this over the past two days. I'm going to write about it after I finish this reply.

Being the kind of nomadic explorer I am, I was instantly attracted to the vibe that you created on this thread. Fun, quirky, lively, original, funny. daring. different.
But I have never been into Goth or Punk, etc. and always kind of associated that world with criminal types, addicts, sociopaths, cynics etc., who seemed to want to attract a negative kind of attention to themselves.

*laughs* That's part of the whole point- do you think we want every tourist rocking up to our clubs to make fun of our culture and drunkenly hit on everyone? The Goth clubs are the safest I've ever felt because we naturally filter out f*uckwits and boring droids. It's also a place to find other succubus/incubus, and to find individuals who aren't vanilla, without having to endure the squick of a bdsm club, which I won't go to- because it attracts predators. So the Goth community is a good compromise for keeping the those who judge us away.

Which I have to admit is curiously closed minded on my part, because I was a hippie chick when I was younger and experienced pretty much the same thing for pretty much the same reasons.

*sideways eyed smile* Yes, the past experiences don't prevent the repeats. I've noticed that here. It's why I get headtilty at those who get upset at the idea those who have long supported the effort to evolve the humans here are pulling out. What are they expecting- eternal sacrifice?

So there seemed to me for awhile to be a bit of a contradiction between the sui generis and the outer trappings of the image you project here in the Pub, but the energy and language you've filled this thread with belied the negative misconceptions, and so I stuck around.

That's really interesting to me, given that I'm so aware of how much I filter my Otherkind Self here- I have thrashed around while I've been unstickying with some of the virus expressions, and at the same time I have been narrowing my scope so much to try and get a framework created. The sui generis and free expression- regardless of how others perceive it- are intertwined. So I was a mirror for your own prejudices and assumptions? Cool. It's also cool you stuck around to explore that, which to me is the truly interesting place in any evolution: triggers happen, it's what we DO with them that is the interesting bit.

The images you posted of the Wraith-like guy with the white hair and skin were a little disconcerting. (If you are not familiar with the Wraith, they are an imaginary (one hopes) ET race created by the writers of the sci-fi series, Stargate Atlantis. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wraith_%28Stargate%29 )

You really thought there was some comparison between my Nuada pics and the Wraith images? The Wraith are just another bastardised, demonised version of the Otherkind expression. No surprises there. Nuada is so, so incredibly beautiful to me.

And though you explained what you define as a succubus (not a harmful, murdering parasite as has been portrayed in many stories and myths) it still gave me pause initially, until I understood what you really meant.

One of the things I am looking forward to when all this evolution phase sorts out is being able to speak my language, my energetic language, again, within my own form and with those I love. The energy transfer in touch has no comparison or descriptors here.

[QUOTE]It seems that all the ways that we humans organize ourselves, especially when we organize ourselves in groups, to express whatever it is that we feel about ourselves and the world we live in... are prey to some form of attack by the virus, so it becomes difficult to remain true to our original purpose.I don't think the virus is completely successful at this, but it's persistent. [QUOTE]

It's adaptable. Infinitely adaptable, unless it's overwhelmed by certain parameters. Humans only stumble across those parameters accidentally.

I'm sure we all recognize the limitations to what can be achieved as individuals and as members of whatever groups we may have affiliated ourselves with.

I in no way share your certainty about this and actually the global evidence seems to suggest the exact opposite- humans are generally spectacularly crap at recognising their own limitations in any way.

Yet in our world, we have to keep on forming groups to get things done on a purely practical level.

Yet, in other physical worlds, plenty of practical stuff gets done without any homogenising or heteronomy at all. Now, 'how does that happen?' might be a really useful exploration to have...

The difficulty comes I think when someone identifies so much with the group they find some special and particular commonality with, that they forget sui generis, and so any criticism leveled at the group seems like a personal attack. And so you, being the proponent of sui generis, may seem to be an attacker.

*shrugs* The controllers knew we'd be showing up eventually- part of this whole virus arrangement is a specific, focused and desperate attempt to keep the sui generis *out*. You don't think they knew it was out there and didn't think it would be coming back? None of this is a surprise, of course I'm going to be seen as an attacker. From the virus's point of view, I *am*. And as most humans are agents for the virus... *shrugs*

No group every really seems to fulfill their potential to change the world for the better, but the impulse to do so keeps on arising in us, and that is a good thing.

this is the natural adaptivity of the virus, and the continuous Life signal rising. Teh virus has an issue, as all viruses do, with the balance of controlling the host and not overwhelming it to the point of death. The controllers are frustrated beyond measure because they don't have access to that natural oscillation and so their creations keep dying.

I don't know how we are going to create our new paradigm, but I think organized groups will still be an important part of that process.

If the new paradigm has anything to do with organised groups you can rest assured that it will simply be a rehashing of the old paradigm in a new and improved version. I shall be staying well away from that one.

Yet groups can only be as effective as the individuals who make up those groups, and so we must all be true to our sui generis in order to be effective in any part of our lives.
So it's very useful to explore that together, but here, as anywhere else, we have to be aware of where virus might insert itself.

The sui generis can only be as effective as the individual carrying it. There are several Beings here in the Pub that constantly keep watch for the virus, my Self included and the Pub has seen me deal with it in the open before. The virus will insert itself anywhere and everywhere that an ignorance of its modus operandi exists.

Perhaps it will be useful for us to appreciate where we've been as much as where we are going, warts and all.

Personally I don't use the past for much at all but triangulation. I let it go when I don't need it for anything, I'm not sentimental and I see it as loaded with virus so it only generally has limited use as a triangulation system for figuring out the sui generis in contrast.

I think of going back to the Source as the time between incarnations when we are able to let go of the tiredness and disappointments that life in a body usually entails, and get re-energized, freshly inspired and motivated to continue with our journey. Kind of like a spiritual colonic.

That is a vision that has no connection to one's sui generis- if you are deeply engaged with your own evolution and the process of that in co-creation with other Beings, what tiredness and disappointment is there to detox from? Only those not deeply connected to their passions and expression end up tired and disappointed. I don't have any resonance whatsoever with this expression of how energy works, so I accept your experience of the way this works for you.

I like what James Gilliland said in one of his videos about an experience he had, which was either between incarnations or a NDE, I can't remember which.
He was in a space of such complete Unconditional Love that was so blissful, he never wanted to leave.

That concept fills me with much of the puzzled staring. I accept that some find such a place and experience attractive.

That is what many people report that it's like when we return to Source between lives. We don't lose our individuality, but we get replenished with energy and appreciation and gratitude for what Creator has given. That rings true for me, but perhaps it's different for different people.

I appreciate your sharing your experience and you are right, it is different for different Beings.

If at some point we actually stay in that blissful state of pure energy, feeling that we are finished with that journey, then I think another kind of journey begins.
I don't think we lose individuality, we just keep expanding and exploring, but we feel less separation as we go and more Beingness and Oneness with that Source.
But if the idea of non-being, if there is such a thing, seems to others to be the most desirable state imaginable, perhaps something like that can also be achieved.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's only temporary too, however, and evolves into something else eventually..

Everything evolves- or devolves- according to its signal. It has input and choice about that. I am familiar with the states of blissful pure energy, Cubus exchange that together, and it inspires me to greater choice and creativity, not the other way around. I'm built differently and the multiverse is filled with infinite possibility. I am enjoying the ones I'm choosing.

[PurpleLama]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dt0aGZASDdQ

[onawah]

Thanks for the input, Songs.
Your perspective is certainly different than any other I have encountered, and I hope it will help the Otherness in me to reemerge, since that is a part of me that I have always treasured.
Obviously, having been in many incarnations on this planet for a long time, my perspective has evolved in a very different way.
For other hybrids or Starseed (or whatever) who might read this thread, perhaps the above clarification will also be useful.

I think I may have been the one who referred you to the Wingmaker material.
I'm glad you found that worthy of your attention.
I believe I also mentioned at that time that Kerry Cassidy has permission from James to make a movie based on the Ancient Arrow Project.
(Though from all reports, she doesn't have the funds to work on such a project at this time.)

If the signal from the Wingmakers material could be embedded in a film, it could be along the lines of Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey in terms of awakening many people.
There seemed to be some kind of codes embedded in that film which were among the first signals for many that portended the Shift was beginning.

Thank you for clearing up misconceptions about Otherkind.
I happened to cross paths with a young man just yesterday who looked Otherkind and we made eye contact.
There was a deeper recognition on my part than I would have previously been capable of, and there was an answering *almost* nod from him.

I want to share about something that happened last night.
I was at my monthly women's group meeting, and one of the members, a lesbian/crone and former nun who is now very into the Goddess, who lives alone on a little spread outside of town on the banks of a river, raises a lot of her own food, is largely a live foods vegan and has more energy and joy in living than most women half her age, told us a lovely story about how she has been connecting with nature spirits.
We have been experiencing much less rainfall in this region of NW Arkansas than is normal, and it's becoming a concern--wells are drying up and even the river is getting very low.
There have been quite a few rainclouds passing over, and raining all around us, but not here.
She is familiar with the animal totems and what they represent, and Frog is one that is connected with rain and water.
There are many frogs where she lives, and she has been putting small glass aquariums of water decorated with pretty rocks and little plants outside for the frogs, so they can come and rest in them and stay cool and wet, even near her house.
Sometimes she goes outside in the evening and calls the frogs, and she says that one fat little frog always comes when she does this, and sits in front of her and looks directly up at her.
And each time she has done this, it has rained.

There are different wells within us.
Some fill with each good rain,
Others are far, far too deep
For that.”
― Hafez, The Divan

[onawah]

Songs wrote re between life experiences in post #3584:

That is a vision that has no connection to one's sui generis- if you are deeply engaged with your own evolution and the process of that in co-creation with other Beings, what tiredness and disappointment is there to detox from? Only those not deeply connected to their passions and expression end up tired and disappointed. I don't have any resonance whatsoever with this expression of how energy works, so I accept your experience of the way this works for you.

Being in a physical body on this planet can certainly be a tiring process if one lasts long enough in one to reach old age, and I think people usually have some regrets about how things have gone for them in a lifetime, or how things have been going on the planet in general.
(Of course, the word "people" in this thread means something apart from the normal meaning, as does the word "human". )
I don't know how it works for me specifically, as I have no recall of between-life experiences, though I do have fairly detailed information about some of my past lives.
As I've said, I have only a limited number of direct experiences of the kind you describe as common to you from which to draw, and the rest comes from a lot of reading and a process of using discernment to distinguish what rings true from what rings false in what I read and observe in life.
But I think it's probably safe to say that the above has been the case for most humans on this planet, though not all, fortunately.
I accept that it may be a very different experience for Otherkind, Starkind, etc.
As near as I can determine, I am a hybrid, perhaps an Anun, who has been incarnating into human bodies here for quite some time, and I think on deep levels, I identify much more with Starkind and Otherkind than I do with human, but I have compassion for humans, and the part of me that identifies with humans, though that is obviously the part of me that is most in need of evolving.
I can't speak for anyone else here on the Pub, and though I appreciate the limitations of such groupings and classifications in the face of sui generis, it helps me to have some kind of context at least from which to refer during the discussions on the Pub about these subjects, and helps very much in understanding your perspective more.

Thanks again for chatting!
It's been most instructive!

[onawah]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dt0aGZASDdQ

Possibly we lose ourselves only so that we may be found...

“I caught the happy virus last night
When I was out singing beneath the stars.
It is remarkably contagious -
So kiss me.”
― Hafez, The Subject Tonight Is Love: 60 Wild and Sweet Poems of Hafiz

update:
I remembered after sharing about the eye contact I had the other day with a young man who had the stamp of Otherkind, that I had a similar experience at that same location in town perhaps a year or so ago.
I had deep eye contact with a woman I had never seen before, and it was very confusing.
The way her avatar registered on my being was one of a normal, if very energetic human woman, but the being that was making contact with me (and the feeling was that she was initiating contact) did not match the avatar at all.
The energy field around her felt like StarKind, but I had no previous context for such a meeting in a public place like that.
I knew I wasn't imagining things, but I didn't know what it was I was experiencing.
But it just came to me now that she was probably a StarKind walk-in who had only recently come into her avatar and had not had time yet to change the energies of her host body.
Or perhaps she just wanted to remain unnoticeable except to people who were able to receive the StarKind signal.
Very strange things have been happening at the grocery store here in my little town! But I shouldn't be surprised, since UFO sightings and other such phenomena are common enough in the vortex energy that we enjoy here.

From post #3584
My quote:

Perhaps it will be useful for us to appreciate where we've been as much as where we are going, warts and all.

Songs:

Personally I don't use the past for much at all but triangulation. I let it go when I don't need it for anything, I'm not sentimental and I see it as loaded with virus so it only generally has limited use as a triangulation system for figuring out the sui generis in contrast.

Perhaps your feeling has to do with the fact that walk-ins do not undergo the memory erase that is still the rule for most humans when they are born into a human Earthling body.
It is generally said that this is because it would be too difficult to function here if we remembered all that we know and remember in the spaces in-between incarnations.
But it's also a generally held view by psychics, past life regressionists, etc. that a wiped memory is a difficult thing to live with, and is one of the reasons why the 3D Earth school is one of the hardest ones around.
Personally, the information I have managed to scrape together about past lives and real history (and Herstory) to be of great value in making this Earth experience richer and more meaningful.
Perhaps it's a bit like adopted children, most of whom are not comfortable with their perceived identifies until they know who their real parents were.

[Mike]

hey guys, i had to briefly come out of semi-posting retirement to share this clip with you. i went to the bank today and actually had negative 10 dollars(-$10.57 to be precise), and this clip sprung to mind. i had to share it with somebody and i thought of you guys immediately. if you're as broke as i am, i think you'll like it.

enjoy

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=czpmQTobQcw

[onawah]

I know the feeling Chinaski, though at the moment, I am relatively "flush", since a friend decided to throw me a little lifeline and is going to employ me for a few hours each month helping her in her garden, with some free organic produce thrown in.
Bill paying time for me almost always feels like:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=5RxhCHBU9Lw

Hoping you are soon feeling more like

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=UJOjTNuuEVw

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
I think I may have been the one who referred you to the Wingmaker material.

No, it was someone else. I can find who in the history of the forum.

I believe I also mentioned at that time that Kerry Cassidy has permission from James to make a movie based on the Ancient Arrow Project.
(Though from all reports, she doesn't have the funds to work on such a project at this time.)

This information has enraged me to the point that I can't finish the reply I had intended. James has absolutely *nothing* to do with the Wingmakers information and is in fact busily perverting it to the heteronomy's agenda. The links that I posted were to the original material, not the perverted site that James has been creating. The thought of Kerry Cassidy getting hold of this information and disseminating the perverted and heteronomy serving version of the original material has temporarily made me distressed and sick in my body.

The virus agenda and it's willingness to destroy the signal sometimes smacks me in the face like a brick. I'm glad she doesn't have the funds. I hope she never does.

If the signal from the Wingmakers material could be embedded in a film, it could be along the lines of Kubrick's 2001 A Space Odyssey in terms of awakening many people.
There seemed to be some kind of codes embedded in that film which were among the first signals for many that portended the Shift was beginning.

This is what is greatly distressing me: the original material *is* heavily embedded with the evolution Consciousness signal, even though the words are different and there are other elements to it. This is why it would serve the heteronomy so much to have such a distortion out there. Ugh, ugh. It's such a revolting thought, like someone p*issing in the fountain of youth.

I need to go realign and connect with my blueprint source. Sometimes the machinations of the virus just gets to me.

[onawah]

Apologies for bringing that up, Songs.
But it's interesting to me that you are not the only person who thinks this.
I used to belong to the Wanttoknow forum some years ago, and the guy who started that, Fred Burks, is another person who says that the Wingmaker info has been changed and perverted from the original.
See:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmaker...gmakerschanges
There are links there for what Fred claims is the original Wingmakers webpages.

I saw a video interview of James and I did not like his energy AT ALL.
He reminded me of Louis Jourdan in an old movie version of Dracula, where Dracula (Jourdan) was not at all a tragic, romantic figure, but just a very bone-chilling, creepy one.
So you concur with Fred that James somehow got hold of the original site and is using it now for commercial purposes and other, darker agendas...
Of course, he denies that in the interview with Kerry.

And I have to say that Kerry was not at all the person I imagined making a film about the Wingmakers material, either.
I will have to go back and look at the original pages again. That may a good discernment exercise.

Posted by songsfortheotherkind (here)
This information has enraged me to the point that I can't finish the reply I had intended. James has absolutely *nothing* to do with the Wingmakers information and is in fact busily perverting it to the heteronomy's agenda. The links that I posted were to the original material, not the perverted site that James has been creating. The thought of Kerry Cassidy getting hold of this information and disseminating the perverted and heteronomy serving version of the original material has temporarily made me distressed and sick in my body.

The virus agenda and it's willingness to destroy the signal sometimes smacks me in the face like a brick. I'm glad she doesn't have the funds. I hope she never does.

... the original material *is* heavily embedded with the evolution Consciousness signal, even though the words are different and there are other elements to it. This is why it would serve the heteronomy so much to have such a distortion out there. Ugh, ugh. It's such a revolting thought, like someone p*issing in the fountain of youth.

I need to go realign and connect with my blueprint source. Sometimes the machinations of the virus just gets to me.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
Apologies for bringing that up, Songs.

There is absolutely no need to apologise- I take full responsibility for my experience at all times. :D

And besides, you aren't the one who is twisting the information.

[onawah]

I've found a few sci-fi/fantasy books on similar themes that I've read again and again and hung onto as long as I could.
Even though all I have is paperback copies and they are slowly moldering now, the cause of much sneezing if opened.
But one can buy such treasures on Amazon for just a few bucks, which is a kind of modern day miracle, in my view, and possibly read them on Kindle or whatever...
It's amazing how strongly books like this have affected me, and so I will honor them by naming them here:
One is called Wind Dancers by R.M. Meluch
Two by Geary Gravel: The Pathfinders, and The Alchemists
Superliminal, by Vonda McIntyre (actually, now that I've taken a better look at my bookshelf, and I think this is the one I was referring to in the earlier post, and I'm delighted to see I still have it.)
Two by H. Warner Mung: Merlin's Ring and Merlin's Godson
Three by Janet Morris: Dream Dancer, Cruiser Dreams, and Earth Dreams

Posted by Borden (here)
Hi Onawah,

I don't think I know the book you're remembering, but it did make me think of another book, 'Neverness', and the trilogy that followed it. I actually get annoyed by those books, but I have to admit to myself that when I read them in my twenties, the first couple anyway, they influenced me heavily. In those books, there are people who elect to have themselves 'carked' into Neatherthal form, to live a simpler life. But that's just the beginning, a lot of interesting stuff happens thereafter.

And yes, that is quite some falsetto! Reminds me of Freddie Mercury's answer when questioned on how he could hit the high notes he did. "Pliers under the frock, darling."

[songsfortheotherkind]

the following post has been brought to you by this face:



because it's time now to reveal my secret to the world, I really am a Time Lord and I live in a *very* spacious telephone booth.

Posted by onawah (here)
But it's interesting to me that you are not the only person who thinks this. I used to belong to the Wanttoknow forum some years ago, and the guy who started that, Fred Burks, is another person who says that the Wingmaker info has been changed and perverted from the original. See:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/wingmaker...gmakerschanges
There are links there for what Fred claims is the original Wingmakers webpages.

Yes, these are the links that I first posted when I mentioned it. This was also the material that was first shown to me and that I resonated with. I am aware of the heteronomy changes to the material; as soon as the heteronomy rears its head, there is the virus.

I saw a video interview of James and I did not like his energy AT ALL. He reminded me of Louis Jourdan in an old movie version of Dracula, where Dracula (Jourdan) was not at all a tragic, romantic figure, but just a very bone-chilling, creepy one. So you concur with Fred that James somehow got hold of the original site and is using it now for commercial purposes and other, darker agendas... Of course, he denies that in the interview with Kerry.

Well, of course, I can't see the agent leaping up to the stage and greeting the audience with 'HI! I'm Gerry Smith, and I'll be your virus agent for this evening! On tonight's agenda we have a spectacular menu of disinformation, some fabulous distortions- and let's give a big round of applause to our Agent Halliwell up the back there for these incredible efforts of brainfogging, ladies and gentlemen, there's been a huge effort and quite a few sleepless nights put into these distortions that I think can safely be called works of art- that's right, that's what I'm talking about- and believe me when I say I'm sure you'll be as excited as I am with this- later on this evening we're going to have a visit by a group that I can only describe as being too secret to mention, who'll be engaging you in a few hours of complete mindwiping, personality reassignment and neutralising! So sit back and enjoy our first offering for the evening, A Clockwork Orange, and don't forget to help yourself to the psychopharma Copacabana over in our world class buffet!'

It all gets a little Fear and Loathing, really. So I'm not expecting the heteronomy to leap up and enthusiastically endorse itself as being precisely what it is. The disinformation is going to leak into every aspect of the signal unless we're *all* triangulating with each other and checking the signal.

And I have to say that Kerry was not at all the person I imagined making a film about the Wingmakers material, either.

*extremely blank face* Uh, no, indeed.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NK16_sWD2Xk

The joys of short chicks with bleached hair makes me seriously consider lopping off the curls and going back to the pale purple spikes with the turquoise fringe.

I'm in the mood for more Cyndi Lauper. Get ready- it might be a perfect 80's storm in the Pub tonight. If I can find The Killers cover of Go All The Way that's going here too.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
Being in a physical body on this planet can certainly be a tiring process if one lasts long enough in one to reach old age,

I honestly have not experienced this exclusive to old age (but what is old age? My nana is 87 and runs around with greater vigor than many half her age): I have experienced chronic exhaustion, pain and debilitation in this avatar. This continued until I figured out how the virus was being used to inhibit me: since getting the understanding of the accessing the blueprint and the code dissolving I've moved the bones in my chest to the degree where my osteo could only find a slight trace of something that has been a chronic problem for me since my mid twenties. I also went to my lung specialist this week and he steadfastly ignored the mystery of how my lung function could have radically improved from a condition that is, according to the specialists, irreversible. I am now working on the deeper issues to do with the Monsanto codes on my DNA and some other issues. I'm not handing over the pleasure of being in this avatar to the controllers.

and I think people usually have some regrets about how things have gone for them in a lifetime, or how things have been going on the planet in general.
(Of course, the word "people" in this thread means something apart from the normal meaning, as does the word "human". )

This is, as far as it works for me, a choice in perspective as to what is and isn't useful, or exhausting, or whatever. I find regrets useless unless I'm using them as a compass for how I'd like to do things differently: giving my Self a hard time over things that I can do absolutely nothing about is a waste of energy, I've learned. Same regarding how things are going on the planet- if I'm doing everything I can to hold the evolution signal, then what happens is what happens. What point is there in feeling bad about things I can't do anything about? That's virus inspired programming designed to drain us of our creative energy and power. A complete waste of time, in my experience.

I don't know how it works for me specifically, as I have no recall of between-life experiences, though I do have fairly detailed information about some of my past lives.

My memory system isn't a stream, it's a jumble, and I don't pay much attention to it except to guide me through the sui generis: I use it to calibrate what works from what doesn't. I don't find memory to be that helpful as an emotional compass, because it's past and I'm constantly evolving into an ever more complex and fluid Being. I distill the memories down into principles or notes within the frequency I carry, so that I can close my eyes and hold my hands above the information, stream what works in the moment out of the signal and go with that. The rest is noisy baggage: either the energy is alive in the moment for me, something I'm working with, or it isn't. It's like engaging in writing something while you're really thinking about painting. Creative energy is about immersion and focus, intention and engagement- being dragged out of that focus by memories asking if you can remember where they left their socks is counterproductive, in terms of my Life art anyway.

I much prefer to create Me as I go along- sure, the past has some relevance, but I don't need to focus on it: I've found this society's fascination for constantly looking over their shoulders to be in part an indication that they can't learn from their own mistakes, no matter how many times they make them. I much prefer to distill the lesson, embody it, evolve from it and not have to think about it again, so I can think of something new and interesting instead.

I accept that it may be a very different experience for Otherkind, Starkind, etc.

I can say it is for the ones that I know- the sheer joy of energy that isn't hopelessly entangled in noise is sublime. It's exquisite to spend most of the interactions talking about the creative possibilities of *now* and what can be engaged in, rather than past. Some Otherkind make a point of dumping their memory system after distilling the lessons because they find it gets in the way of truly interesting things.

As near as I can determine, I am a hybrid, perhaps an Anun, who has been incarnating into human bodies here for quite some time, and I think on deep levels, I identify much more with Starkind and Otherkind than I do with human,

what is your personal experience of Anun? I have two Anun incarnate hybrid partners and an Anun/Otherkind hybrid disincarnate partner; my incarnate partners both have the Fallen element (which is, again, nothing like the contorted mythologies here) and I have an Anun/Starkind hybrid son, so I'm curious about your experience.

but I have compassion for humans

,

I do not understand the concept of compassion. It's not a word I ever use, so what is it to you?

I can't speak for anyone else here on the Pub, and though I appreciate the limitations of such groupings and classifications in the face of sui generis, it helps me to have some kind of context at least from which to refer during the discussions on the Pub about these subjects, and helps very much in understanding your perspective more.

Which is why I don't reject the use of the language, even though it's not in the sui generis language I'm seeking.

Thanks again for chatting!

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
Obviously, having been in many incarnations on this planet for a long time, my perspective has evolved in a very different way.

/headtilt/ Uh, I've been incarnating here for eons: the Otherkind (encompassing all the Beings) were here way before the humans. So mm, I'm not sure how you equate the long incarnation with the different evolution.

For other hybrids or Starseed (or whatever) who might read this thread, perhaps the above clarification will also be useful.

One of the reasons I decided to put my Self in the public is because I'm hoping to run into another Being that remembers what I do; I've already run into one, but not on this forum. I'm actually hoping there will be more, because it was stunning meeting another Being with whom I could talk about the anunnaki histories with the same memories and perspectives as me. She also knows other Beings that I'm hoping to meet when I go to the States, but I'm not prepared to talk about them publicly.

I happened to cross paths with a young man just yesterday who looked Otherkind and we made eye contact.
There was a deeper recognition on my part than I would have previously been capable of, and there was an answering *almost* nod from him.

I love these encounters! I can remember a doof (which is a gathering where lots of trance and techno music is played, where the many uses of glo sticks and toys are employed (no, Calz, not *those* kind of glo toys- well, at least not in public) that I was at where I was bouncing through the crowd in my typical gothic/candy raver outfit when I spied a Being in a fox mask approaching with that gliding walk so many Anun/Other hybrids have. He utterly swam in Otherkind signal and we locked eyes with each other as we got closer, just utterly connected to the mutual signal. As we passed each other I could tell his eyes were smiling and our heads turned to let each other know 'I see you, there!' and we both went dancing off in our separate directions. I didn't see again. I have had quite a few of these encounters, since from about the age of 7, including one at the age of about 10 when a young man of about 17 was standing there with a slightly puzzled look on his face while he tried to figure out why on earth he'd was being pulled into the signal of what appeared to be a child. As soon as I spoke the puzzlement cleared from his eyes and we spent 10 minutes locked in on each other, talking in a half language that had his friends looking at him as if he'd just sprouted a second head. We watched each other until it was no longer possible when he was leaving.

I'm like that though- anyone with any of the Otherkind/Anun/Fallen signal and immediately the lock on happens. I find the Anun/Fallen combination yum on a stick *and* they find my sexual signal overwhelming, so I tend to accept that the Beings that really work for me physically have pointier ears, some Pan energy in their signal and more fang in their smile. *laughing* The female signal is frequently able to be much more fluid, although I do tend to have more yang energy in that dynamic.

I want to share about something that happened last night.
I was at my monthly women's group meeting, and one of the members, a lesbian/crone and former nun who is now very into the Goddess, who lives alone on a little spread outside of town on the banks of a river, raises a lot of her own food, is largely a live foods vegan and has more energy and joy in living than most women half her age, told us a lovely story about how she has been connecting with nature spirits.
We have been experiencing much less rainfall in this region of NW Arkansas than is normal, and it's becoming a concern--wells are drying up and even the river is getting very low.
There have been quite a few rainclouds passing over, and raining all around us, but not here.
She is familiar with the animal totems and what they represent, and Frog is one that is connected with rain and water.
There are many frogs where she lives, and she has been putting small glass aquariums of water decorated with pretty rocks and little plants outside for the frogs, so they can come and rest in them and stay cool and wet, even near her house.
Sometimes she goes outside in the evening and calls the frogs, and she says that one fat little frog always comes when she does this, and sits in front of her and looks directly up at her.
And each time she has done this, it has rained.

*smiling* This sharing is very very cool.

There are different wells within us.
Some fill with each good rain,
Others are far, far too deep
For that.”
― Hafez, The Divan

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I love this too.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by onawah (here)
I had deep eye contact with a woman I had never seen before, and it was very confusing. The way her avatar registered on my being was one of a normal, if very energetic human woman, but the being that was making contact with me (and the feeling was that she was initiating contact) did not match the avatar at all. The energy field around her felt like StarKind, but I had no previous context for such a meeting in a public place like that. I knew I wasn't imagining things, but I didn't know what it was I was experiencing. But it just came to me now that she was probably a StarKind walk-in who had only recently come into her avatar and had not had time yet to change the energies of her host body. Or perhaps she just wanted to remain unnoticeable except to people who were able to receive the StarKind signal.

The ability to blur the avatar signal is something a lot of Other/Starkind here can do naturally. I'm constantly told that I look different day to day and that blur really shows up in photos. Borden is even better at the blurring than I am- you can have a spread of photos of him and *none* of them look like the same individual. I was truly impressed; personally I do the thing where individuals can't tell if they think I'm attractive or hideous and someone here in the Pub ran into that skill of mine just a little while ago. What I can suggest is that for some reason or another, she was running a distortion or glamour, and you picked it up: sometimes I do it to see if anyone has a clue what I'm doing. And I will openly confess, sometimes I do it just to mess with human's heads. I figure they're vomiting their signal all over the place, a little head bending is ok: this is utter rationalisation, I know, and I also offer that I no longer focus signal on individuals to the point where they'd be twitching and yanking on their clothing. My sister and I used to be in the same classroom in primary school: one of our favorite games was to lock onto the teacher and focus intention on them- her to get them to scratch their ear, me to get them to remove their tie, or some such. It was great fun. We learned early on that we could clear a room by running major alpha waves; this was really handy in the old days with the trains that had private little sections (like the trains in Sherlock Holmes films). I think the fastest we emptied one of those was only a couple of minutes, but she was in particularly fine form that night and kind of cheated by also being physically scary.

Now my stuff is limited to playing energetically over long distances and in the other realms. And doing the blur thing. And making it really difficult to be photographed. Oh, and-

Perhaps your feeling has to do with the fact that walk-ins do not undergo the memory erase that is still the rule for most humans when they are born into a human Earthling body.
It is generally said that this is because it would be too difficult to function here if we remembered all that we know and remember in the spaces in-between incarnations.

When I was dragged at high speed into this avatar, my memory system was scrambled like an egg. I cannot imagine how living with a clear memory system would make it too difficult to function here- this is utterly counter intuitive to me: how can it be at all useful to have no freaking clue what you are doing, or why, or what the heck is going on? How is doing things blind useful? This only works, imo, if one buys into the virus story of 'learning through pain evolves the individual', which is a crock that I've written about before.

But it's also a generally held view by psychics, past life regressionists, etc. that a wiped memory is a difficult thing to live with, and is one of the reasons why the 3D Earth school is one of the hardest ones around.

Which would indicate, perhaps, that something has majorly stuffed up here? I remember someone mentioning they'd seen something in one of those past life regressionists that someone had basically spoken about being an Otherkind and the writer had steadfastly refused to investigate it because it was outside the christian paradigm that they personally had. I laughed at that- of course the writer didn't want to know. Who wants to go upsetting their nice neat little stories about How Things Are?

Perhaps it's a bit like adopted children, most of whom are not comfortable with their perceived identifies until they know who their real parents were.

Depends on the individual, I guess- my partner cares not one iota about it, I wouldn't know my father if I fell over him, most of my kids feel the same way about their birth fathers. *shrugs* It's all about the individual sui generis, as I see it.

[songsfortheotherkind]

Posted by Chinaski (here)
hey guys, i had to briefly come out of semi-posting retirement to share this clip with you. i went to the bank today and actually had negative 10 dollars(-$10.57 to be precise), and this clip sprung to mind. i had to share it with somebody and i thought of you guys immediately. if you're as broke as i am, i think you'll like it.

I miss you being around! It will be fun when you are back around- perhaps then you can check out the *other* boob.

*laughing*

[onawah]

In post #3597, Songs wrote:

I do not understand the concept of compassion. It's not a word I ever use, so what is it to you?

Definition of compassion from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassion:

Compassion is the virtue of empathy for the suffering of others. It is regarded as a fundamental part of human love, and a cornerstone of greater social interconnection and humanism —foundational to the highest principles in philosophy, society, and personhood.

Compassion is often regarded as emotional in nature, and there is an aspect of compassion which regards a quantitative dimension, such that individual's compassion is often given a property of "depth," "vigour," or "passion." The etymology of "compassion" is Latin, meaning "co-suffering." More virtuous than simple empathy, compassion commonly gives rise to an active desire to alleviate another's suffering. It is often, though not inevitably, the key component in what manifests in the social context as altruism. In ethical terms, the various expressions down the ages of the so-called Golden Rule embody by implication the principle of compassion: Do to others what you would have them do to you.[1]

I would say it is taking "do no harm" a step further, and doing what one can to prevent harm from coming to others, as well as alleviate suffering that is already present .
The urge to alleviate suffering in others must be wedded to wisdom and discernment so that the assistance rendered is also truly assisting and not hindering the other in their own evolution. It is not given in hopes of reward or recognition, but in resonance with the signal of the pattern of evolving Life.

I think at some point, one is able to just flow and create within that flow of the evolving Life signal without even thinking about having compassion, one just is compassion in action, and that doesn't necessarily have to involve direct interacting with others.
One embodies compassion, compassion for the Life signal that flows through all living, evolving beings, and so just by being, one brings through the blessings of compassionate energy for others on the planet, whether they are in proximity or not.
This is also part of what I consider to be what a skilledLightworker does.

In post #3597, Songs wrote:

what is your personal experience of Anun? I have two Anun incarnate hybrid partners and an Anun/Otherkind hybrid disincarnate partner; my incarnate partners both have the Fallen element (which is, again, nothing like the contorted mythologies here) and I have an Anun/Starkind hybrid son, so I'm curious about your experience.

I have PMed you with my response on that.
In post #3598, Songs wrote:

Uh, I've been incarnating here for eons: the Otherkind (encompassing all the Beings) were here way before the humans. So mm, I'm not sure how you equate the long incarnation with the different evolution.

Ah, my apologies. I remembered you saying that you had been here very, very long ago, but I did not realize that you have been incarnating here more recently as well.
So perhaps the difference in the way we perceive things has more to do with you being more OtherKind than I.
The way you experience things seems newer to the planet than most perspectives I have come across in many ways, so that is why I assumed you had not been here for a long time.

In post #3599 Songs wrote:

The ability to blur the avatar signal is something a lot of Other/Starkind here can do naturally. I'm constantly told that I look different day to day and that blur really shows up in photos. Borden is even better at the blurring than I am- you can have a spread of photos of him and *none* of them look like the same individual. I was truly impressed; personally I do the thing where individuals can't tell if they think I'm attractive or hideous and someone here in the Pub ran into that skill of mine just a little while ago.

My photos almost always come out blurry as well, and I often look like different individuals, but hardly ever the way I look when observed in person.
I had supposed that to be because my energy field has been compromised, but perhaps it's more than that.
Childhood photos usually came out fairly well, but once I became an adolescent, the "blur" became the rule.
I don't have any of those childhood photos anymore, but I have a photo of myself that was taken in the 70s with a Hasselblad camera that actually came out looking very much the way I looked at that time.
I'm trying to figure out how to put it in my Avalon album, but I am technically challenged, so someone is going to have to help me with that.
I've asked Paul, who has made some suggestions, and Calz, but he seems to be occupied elsewhere at the moment.
Is everybody else on vacation?