MOD UK Chinook does a VERY low flyby over John L Walson

[Gridkeeper]

There's not much I can say about this as it's all in the video. I would like to know exactly what these guys know or why they did this. I have a few ideas but don't know exactly.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-qE6uDc1sRs

[mountain_jim]

So he publishes UFO videos? That's all I can gather from a quick search without time to watch more of them.

Has he published any underground-base related stuff?

That's pretty scary. Great video though.

I had a copter fly almost that low over my house and mountain valley first year I moved here. Guy hanging out the side, etc. They were looking for pot growers I think, must have been disappointed by my fruit and vegi garden.

[danceblackcatdance]

i didn't know who he is either, found this video & i then remember seeing these images before

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HQY94J03g98

[Cartomancer]

Posted by Gridkeeper (here)
There's not much I can say about this as it's all in the video. I would like to know exactly what these guys know or why they did this. I have a few ideas but don't know exactly.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=-qE6uDc1sRs

Was this you filming? They always send the black helicopters to alternative thinkers. When you tell others you come off sounding crazy. I'm glad someone caught this on film. Where I live they actually use black helicopters for marijuana eradication etc. It's called C.A.M.P. Campaign against marijuana production. They use a black Chinook and black Bell Jet Ranger.

All's I can say is that before I started writing about geomancy I had never seen one but had heard they were here. After I published my book I have now seen either the Chinook or Ranger four times very close to my position. I really does not freak me out nor do I think it is something I did necessarily but is spooky and I'm keeping an open mind.

Also two parcel carrier companies employees suggested I should leave town. They both suggested I was shipping marijuana in the mail.

Random people approach me all the time and accuse me of disgusting things.

My wife and friends thought I was a whack job until they witnessed it and I video taped some of the incidents.

Sold a bike on craigslist then in the next few weeks four stolen bicycles showed up in my yard.

The police were summoned to the health food store as I shot video for a codex alimentarius video I was making. The clerk refused to press charges but I was warned.

After this all was obvious I said to my wife "I bet next they put drug making material in our garbage." The very next day a tub full of chemicals and mason jars was sitting next to our dumpster!

A random man told me that I would be killed by a Rastafarian (I thought that was ironic). I was then followed and harassed by several dread-locked men for several weeks.

They have picked specific places we shop to harass us. The vacuum sealed lids and foil lids on many of the products we buy are tampered with and now we check them all in the store.

I was poisoned with grease solvent sprayed in my hard hat at work. Still have it. you can see the spray on the interior. This nearly killed me and made me sick for three years and I'm still suffering. After this my unemployment was challenged and I lost all benefits with no argument.

Have not had a job in over three years despite applying literally hundreds of places. Two call backs after all that. The one interveiw I had the lady told me I smelled like patchouli and asked me to go home and change my shirt (My wife wears it).

All of this designed to make you question every incident in your life that happens.

After you realize this the fear stops and the being pissed off begins.

It really is not unusual for the military and police to have black unmarked helicopters. They think its funny to harass you with these because everyone associates this with conspiracy theory "crazies." If this was you that filmed the chopper gridkeeper please pm me and let me know. I may have some interesting info for you. Somewhat reminiscent of Mary Hardy being buzzed by the black C-130 at montseguer. peace my friend.

PS I forgot to mention that even though I am totally sane and stable that when I did tell some people about this I could see that they indeed think I was a whack job. This added to my theories about geomancy etc. doesn't make me look good in the eyes of the brain washed public.

[Carmody]

Every time I post good solid work on internet forums, or give people scientific information that they did not previously have, I get something similar to this.

I also get followed around by interesting types who have a military or police look to their 'plainclothes' appearance, or I run into 'secret society' types, sometime during my day.

I'd say it's a sign of ......something! (duh!)

For example, folk want to 'prove' things about the moon. Real..or not real. Whatever the case may be.

Well, step up to the plate, and.... git'er'dun!

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post508147

Walson's set-up is simply too primitive, with regard to absolute resolution, to get to the real heart of the matter. What is in the above post, is limited by atmospheric distortions, yes. but it CAN be motorized and isolated enough to be effective..enough, to quite likely quadruple the resolution that Walson is capable of.

at a certain point atmospheric and optical hardware limits converge and thus, no more can be done. This is exactly the reason that the Hubble is in space. The atmosphere limits resolution, the optics can resolve far more. Then vibration can also play into the issues.

In this case, we are talking about a scope (lunar explorer version) that has an uncoated mirror, and thus HIGHER resolution than a coated one.

Motorize one of those, and then take photos and interpolate to get to an even higher resolution. (mathematical algorithms, used on hundreds of duplicate shots)

a 24" dobsonian can be motorized for..about... oh, less than $15k, if one is smart about how one does things. Walson is using a 12" IIRC, and has limited resolution, due to the optical design. Dobsonians are better, and an uncoated one for the moon, is even better again. Plus the surface area size of the glass mirror, gives more 'data' per observed inch of image.

the limits are...atmospheric waver, and mechanical noise judder (vibration) But, even 16 or 32 images that are interpolated or adjusted against one another, can increase image fidelity by factor of about 6-10db in reduced noise, if done correctly. With a very high megapixel camera in use, we'd see clean, original imagery that has not been public before, going through not one single level of government or corporation...at that level of resolution.

[Cartomancer]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Every time I post good solid work on internet forums, or give people scientific information that they did not previously have, I get something similar to this.

I also get followed around by interesting types who have a military or police look to their 'plainclothes' appearance, or I run into 'secret society' types, sometime during my ay

I'd say it's a sign of ......something! (duh!)

You should look into phone hacking. This can be done to you just as easily as the newpapers do it. If you go on ebay there is tons of software and hardware that can be used to spy on you. This allows them your position and anything that is said in the room where the phone is. If you suspect this is happening and have noted patterns or certain people involved go to an isolated place with your phone. Watch to see who shows up. This absolutely worked for me and It led to the whole thing unraveling. Also try leaving your phone at home. You will notice a difference.

All of this happened to me by complaining about local politics and not conspiracy theory.

Many people may not also believe this but there are people right here on Avalon that likely will harass you just for the sick fun of it. There are groups of people who can be described as nothing less than psyche vampires that love to keep people upset.

Also research online groups of civilians who work for sheriff's and police departments. This is who they get to put the gps tracker on your car and hack your phone so they have no liability. Our country has already turned into China or the Eastern Bloc and only those who disagree are finding out. All of these techniques are readily available in any Military intelligence manual.

[mountain_jim]

Posted by danceblackcatdance (here)
i didn't know who he is either, found this video & i then remember seeing these images before

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HQY94J03g98

Thanks for this post. I have viewed this video before, found it very interesting, did not remember his name.

His activities documented here are probably reason enough to be harassed, sad to say.

[Cartomancer]

I'm kind of more interested in how this guy is being harrased than what he found. Why are you guys turning this thread into a thread about a guy filming UFO's? That is not what the original post was about. If you want to discuss this guy's work start a thread about it. You have totally changed the subject matter of this thread.

Sorry dudes. I was just stoked to discuss this stuff not that stuff. Love you both.

[Carmody]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)

Also research online groups of civilians who work for sheriff's and police departments. This is who they get to put the gps tracker on your car and hack your phone so they have no liability. Our country has already turned into China or the Eastern Bloc and only those who disagree are finding out. All of these techniques are readily available in any Military intelligence manual.

It's been a mess, for a long time. Lots of cross-pollination of insanity.

for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Wolf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevgeny_Primakov


http://www.rense.com/general65/criminal.htm

"This "card" was designed for Homeland Security by the former East German STAZI chief, Marcus Wolfe, a master of manipulation and intimidation and Primakov the former head of the KGB in the USSR. These two former spy chiefs are who really run our SECRET National Interior Spy Service. Bush employed them specifically for what they brought from their communist states - now they decide who lives and who dies in America! These men have not changed, they are who they are, and that's why Bush & the Bandits hired them for HOMELAND Security. If these men appeared for work, in the uniforms of their former States, the public would be outraged, and rightfully so! How is it that the radical right continues to decry Communism, yet they have allowed Bush to employ top communist counter-intelligence officers to oversee every facet of our lives?"

It's all the same, labels to distract from the depth of the control, which is fascist, at best..and fascism usually turns into totalitarianism..which turns into a bloodbath.

[Cartomancer]

I also wonder to what degree "infraguard" is involved in harassment. This group is businessmen who work with the FBI in counter-terrorism. It is but a short step to demonizing and ruining innocent peoples lives when you give the postman and the garbage truck driver the power to ruin someones life. The Police where I live openly tell the newspaper that they are using the postman and garbage man to spy on you and no one gives a crap. What is one of these bozo's has something personal against you or you complain to the city council about something? This is exactly what happened to me.

[Cartomancer]

Anyone else out there been punished for what they are saying or doing? I noticed that even Alex Jones scoffs at this phenomena. Most of the videos on youtube are terrible and unfortunately even the best one is flawed by the mans assumption that his mind is being read (no offense to those who would value that point of view). Most people need to think that if this is happening to you all's it takes is for someone to be able to hear you talking to your friends or wife and they will have plenty of intimate info to freak you out with. The equipment needed to do this is cheap and readily available to the public as well as the paid civilian law enforcement "helper" or "volunteer." Here's a link to that video even though I don't agree with his final analysis. Otherwise he describes perfectly what happened to me almost as if they saw this video and decided to use these techniques against me. The first video is one of three. The second one is very disturbing and was done by a news show.

The Berlin wall fell just about thirty years ago and already many have forgotten that is what we used to point to as being totalitarian and very bad. Now its normal here. What's next? Re-education Camps?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2qMxndrfvCU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DIrO2-mTFvw

[mountain_jim]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I'm kind of more interested in how this guy is being harrased than what he found. Why are you guys turning this thread into a thread about a guy filming UFO's? That is not what the original post was about. If you want to discuss this guy's work start a thread about it. You have totally changed the subject matter of this thread.

Sorry dudes. I was just stoked to discuss this stuff not that stuff. Love you both.

You did not start this thread - Gridkeeper did.

I would like to know exactly what these guys know or why they did this. I have a few ideas but don't know exactly.

I would say the OP of this thread is somewhat open to interpretation, and knowing the background of what the videographer has produced, related to UfOs or anything else, is or may be relevant to why or how he is being harassed.

If anyone wants to enforce what this thread should contain, I would think it would be the OP.

[Cartomancer]

Posted by mountain_jim (here)

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I'm kind of more interested in how this guy is being harrased than what he found. Why are you guys turning this thread into a thread about a guy filming UFO's? That is not what the original post was about. If you want to discuss this guy's work start a thread about it. You have totally changed the subject matter of this thread.

Sorry dudes. I was just stoked to discuss this stuff not that stuff. Love you both.

You did not start this thread - Gridkeeper did.

I would like to know exactly what these guys know or why they did this. I have a few ideas but don't know exactly.

I would say the OP of this thread is somewhat open to interpretation, and knowing the background of what the videographer has produced, related to UfOs or anything else, is or may be relevant to why or how he is being harassed.

If anyone wants to enforce what this thread should contain, I would think it would be the OP.

You are correct. Sorry. This subject matter gets me going in a bad way. What you said was pertinent.

[Carmody]

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I also wonder to what degree "infraguard" is involved in harassment. This group is businessmen who work with the FBI in counter-terrorism. It is but a short step to demonizing and ruining innocent peoples lives when you give the postman and the garbage truck driver the power to ruin someones life. The Police where I live openly tell the newspaper that they are using the postman and garbage man to spy on you and no one gives a crap. What is one of these bozo's has something personal against you or you complain to the city council about something? This is exactly what happened to me.

I know people who's job it is, in the literal sense, to be paranoid ~for~ the government.

They are paid more for being more paranoid. Like a government branch or office..that MUST spend it's budget to have reason to be and receive a budget in the next time period.., these people MUST be paranoid and dangerous, in order to have a living.

Thus, their extreme paranoia 'makes it up as they go along', and they get the feedback of pay and even more work..and more compatriots, and an ever expanding paranoia and thus..the associated danger levels of police states and fascism.

They cannot psychologically or psychically 'go clear' ....they are too full of fear and limited in their mental reach, thus they retreat like a turtle, into a hole, a cave, a shell...with guns..and blood.

As more openness comes to the fore and more change comes to the fore, the more they retreat into fear and associated insanities of Fascism, blood, death, population culling, and so on.

[Cartomancer]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by Cartomancer (here)
I also wonder to what degree "infraguard" is involved in harassment. This group is businessmen who work with the FBI in counter-terrorism. It is but a short step to demonizing and ruining innocent peoples lives when you give the postman and the garbage truck driver the power to ruin someones life. The Police where I live openly tell the newspaper that they are using the postman and garbage man to spy on you and no one gives a crap. What is one of these bozo's has something personal against you or you complain to the city council about something? This is exactly what happened to me.

I know people who's job it is, in the literal sense, to be paranoid ~for~ the government.

They are paid more for being more paranoid. Like a government branch or office..that MUST spend it's budget to have reason to be and receive a budget in the next time period.., these people MUST be paranoid and dangerous, in order to have a living.

Thus, their extreme paranoia 'makes it up as they go along', and they get the feedback of pay and even more work..and more compatriots, and an ever expanding paranoia and thus..the associated danger levels of police states and fascism.

I couldn't agree more. Once they start getting paid or have an official office or something it becomes a self perpetuating pile of b.s. It's like neighborhood watch on steroids and I don't doubt that they are using that org. in this manner as well. That's what scares me about infraguard and homeland security. Those orgs. are here to stay and they are not going anywhere. In order to justify their existence they are now going to start using this crap against us.

[meat suit]

anyway,,,, J L Walson has been producing the most amazing footage for years, and this is not the first time he has had close contact with helicopters.....
I wish him well, I hope he doesnt get to wound up about the harrassment.

maybe he should open source his telescope/camera setup, and then more people can get footage and take the pressure off him...

[mountain_jim]

another great article from Duff at Veteran's Today

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06...re-time-games/

a portion (obvious but) relevant to this thread:

Disclosure – Time Games
Fiction Seldom Approaches Reality and Truth Hasn’t Happened Yet

....

If proof debunks a large reality or”disproves” the basis of a large portion of accepted reality then two groups go into action, either the disinformation gang, a huge part of our black budget, including most of the public press or whatever it is called, and the second being special “Tier One” groups who silence those who speak out.

When Susan Lindauer, while working for the CIA tripped over one of the cover operations meant to be used in case one of the infinite set of lies around the events of 9/11 failed the “sniff test,” as well they should, she was arrested and then diagnosed as mentally ill and illegally detained on a military base and drugged.

Sibel Edmonds suffered a not dissimilar fate when she tripped over a massive multi-national spy ring operating openly in Washington DC. She was silenced for 6 years and she had only broken one “compartment” tied to a much larger plot, one actually beyond her imaginings.


....

[Carmody]

The question is one of: Is John being harassed, or is John being given credibility.

At this point, all it does, is give rise to a more complicated confusion.

Thus my response about: What exactly is required, in order to break the logjam of confusion.

I proposed a real solution, one that moves toward a more solid and real answer.

A Bigger, greater attempt, a higher resolution imaging system.

[Gridkeeper]

HI here's a playlist showing just a small amount of the millions of UK pounds which have been spent on us over the last few years.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list...9&feature=plcp
John and I see each other on rare occasions now as usually whenever we meet something outrageous happens. Last month I saw him where we've had many UFO experiences and as I walked down to the taxi rank at about midnight I was stopped by the police for some friendly questioning. They did NOT ask my name, where I'd been or where I was going. I think they just needed to confirm that I was there.

You will never hear John speak about MILAB bases although I myself have shared some of my experiences with the public in the past. cheers, any questions fire away.

P.S. I'll come back later to answer more posts. have a bad back so things are a bit tricky for me at the moment.

[mountain_jim]

Another thread on the forum pointed me to an older thread of yours showing various moon anomalies.

I don't have a specific question but would just ask if you might provide a link or 2 to your or John's discussions of experiences and to any other videos which you suspect are major reasons for this ongoing harassment.

(edit - I see your youtube channel link above, and your comments under the main video are answering a lot of my unasked questions - so I guess links to any other experiences of interest not found there.)

Thanks for this and other aspects of 'disclosure' work you participate in.