Tap on, Tap off, the tapper.

[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by observer (here)
"THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+of+the+gods+#

I realize this is a long research project, but there is something yet to be discovered in combining all this knowledge into one cohesive scientific understanding.

This vid reminds me of the PBS vids. A mix of modern academia, ending up with the apocalyptic-comet-history of times long past. Perhaps even with a smile hinting at the 2012 what-ifs. One can only imagine what these academics would say of other 2012 presentations and commentaries.

The video did mention Anthony Peratt and Hannes Alfven.
I first discovered these researchers in the book,
The Big Bang Never Happened, Random House/Times Books, 1991
http://bigbangneverhappened.org/ Eric J. Lerner
I think he is or was working on a (plasma filament inspired) fusion reactor project.
http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/category/C26

It was very refreshing for me as the 1980s were not interesting me with the string theories. Which seemed very odd prescriptions for dimensionality, (in physics). Actually i feel the string-theory flavor of 1980s physics aptly fits what Tesla decried, in the Tesla quote, above in Post #25.


Peratt's electric universe simulations and spiral filaments was interesting and stimulating for me.

I went to the local university library and found Alven's Magneto Hydrodynamics book. The following images predated all the coil ideas i was playing with (at a very crude and perhaps, somewhat fruitless level:
http://harmoniouspalette.com/CrossWaysCoil.html

The Alfven illustrations are clipped in the older style of a cross-section of a 3d model. These are more easily envisaged as tori. Or consider a torus with the donut hole merged to center, a hole of near zero diameter. Next envisage the the twisting the central donut edges... Next replace torus surfaces, with windings of an electromagnetic wires. Next replace the electromagnetic windings with filaments. Presto, the 19040s and so on.


I had expected that the word 'poloidal' (as seen in image above), would have become a more important word inside of physics. I had myself been very motivated to wind coils like tori. Except and most importantly, to explore added 'twists'. Alfven and others used the word 'kink' instead of 'twist', (so it discovered). I experimented with a variety of configurations, mostly through the 1990s. Incorporating this 'poloidal' configuration. It struck me as something to do with orthogonal or angular interplay of magnetic fields. Which somehow resonate harmonic responses, of adjustable character. However, the lecture of Dollard seems to have dicouraged the values of electro-magnetic-inductive-geometric-exploration.

The Magneto Hydrodynamic observations of plasmas might or might not infer a "compressible nature". Whereas Tesla has seemed to stress the concept of longitudinal waves as possessing an "incompressible nature". (The taught rope was used to demonstrate the 'incompressibility' in terms of non-elasticity-- Which engineering ( and building) generally define as physical properties, (in terms of a graduating-effect). I felt that Tesla's original point was that power transmission and power handling was much more efficient in terms of 'incompressibility' or 'inelasticity'. Yet my assumption has been that Tesla was suppressed from further development of this aspect of science.

RE: Dollard Lecture/ Longitudinal Waves: That the force-manifestation, in terms of electric-field and magnetic-field should propagate unidirectionally, is upsetting to me--  Unless we maintain-intact the helical or the orthogonal flow relationships. I am prepared to be corrected in this, but the Dollard lecture does not specifically refute the classical relationship, which is and has been specified as an orthagonal relationship, (geometrically speaking).  I wish i could devote more time to experimentation, but still find myself busy with other mundane needs...

To confuse my passion in this study, fluid and elastic properties have to me seemed inherent in nature. Or is it in the effects of force, at the points of manifestation-- That elasticity enters the picture. I was stuck on a variety of alternative ideas of a common constituent precursor, a precursor of gravity and magnetism, which would in a sense unify the currently disparate fields studied by physics, My alternative interests were most of all inspired by Tesla's fascinating works. My approach has been integrative and unifying, despite it's imperfections.

The image or figure below, (from the same book: Magneto Hydrodynamics), was another reinforcement' for my excursion into 'ring-reinforcement' http://harmoniouspalette.com/ringforcement.html
This ringforcement refers to my coffer illustration in post #27 above. Combining of disparate concepts into a new integrative-concept. Combining Tesla's "half spherical elements" with this dynamic visualization of Alfven, along with ferrocement. Perhaps a bit exaggerated unless one thinks outside the box.

[nearing]

[7redorbs]

I am also happy to entertain relevant questions to the subject.

Please, I don't want to talk about the apocalypse, or comet history. Seriously. That is not what this thread is about.

Best,
A

[Bo Atkinson]

A,

I offerred to remove my posts from your thread, on your user profile/ Visitor Messages page, 3 days ago. I was not sure my posts were so off topic. You presented a very wide area of history. All threads here get wide varieties of posts. If you are asking for removal of my posts, i will accept your say so. Perhaps the mods can do a better job of deleting them. I don't know how to delete the empty spaces after text is removed. I put a lot of effort into my posts and can move the content off of Avalon.

I seem to be off topic, reading your post #43. I admit to some uncertainty of what you would like for responses. Perhaps this will clear the air, as you would like.

Please advise,
w

[mosquito]

This is a fascinating and VERY IMPORTANT thread. 7redorbs, I'm not sure where you want to go wit this, we all appreciate what you're doing here, the lid is now OFF the can of worms, but I understand if you feel you don't want any further involvement. Wavydome - some excellent material, thanks !

My appeal is please, neither of you give up on this ! It's one of the issues central to the liberation of humanity, if not the issue.

I have some thoughts and ideas I want to share, from years of pondering and meditation, combined with surface-scratching scientific study, but I want to write it carefully and thoughtfully (and therefore a little slowly, sorry !), rather than just dump a load of gibberish here.

Very quickly though - to anyone reading this who is struggling to comprehend what's being discussed, a lot of these concepts (especially effect preceding cause) are extremely difficult to grasp in a linear, rational way, but please don't dismiss what's being said, or give up on trying to understand.

More later.

Philip

[observer]

Posted by wavydome (here)

[....snip]
I seem to be off topic, reading your post #43. I admit to some uncertainty of what you would like for responses. Perhaps this will clear the air, as you would like.

Please advise,
w

Yes, wavydome, I too feel maybe I'm in the same boat.

I posted the Tom Bearden, and the Thunderbolts videos because I felt they were both relevant to what 7redorbs was talking about, at least on a foundation of understanding level.

The point of the Thunderbolts videos was that the entire universe is electrical in nature. This is in direct opposition to the conventional model.

To remove a post, simply edit away all the text and add in the place of that text a note similar to this: "Comment removed by (add your nic)".

I will also await 7redorb's input.

[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by observer (here)
To remove a post, simply edit away all the text and add in the place of that text a note similar to this: "Comment removed by (add your nic)".

I will also await 7redorb's input.

In my case, this would add up to 11 (eleven) empty posts.

Eleven empty posts plus still other empty posts would not benefit this thread, IMHO.

Repeating the same removal note to each does not help either.

Avalon seems to allow eclectic free-for-alls.
I wonder why post at all. Except there does seem to be value in diversity of expression.
There does seem to be great value in "getting it out there and having one or two humans read it".

I have some additioanal Tesla "conceptual-experiments" to share as well.

I agree with you observer, the "electric universe" concepts must tie in with Tesla and other suppressed researchers.

So far Avalon seems to accept such discussion. With Thanks w

[Simonm]

This seems the perfect place for those that know to really inform those of us that have no idea. If it drifts a bit then so what? Lets get all this back out to the people that can make a difference, or am I being too simplistic?

[observer]

Posted by 7redorbs (here)
I am also happy to entertain relevant questions to the subject.

Please, I don't want to talk about the apocalypse, or comet history. Seriously. That is not what this thread is about.

Best,
A

I promise I won't bring-up comets again 7redorbs. I posted that "Thunderbolts" video because it gives a foundational understanding of the physics behind Tesla technology - cutting edge plasma physics.

Without the understanding that we live in an Electric Universe, one has no grasps of what Tesla was doing.

Posted by Simonm (here)
This seems the perfect place for those that know to really inform those of us that have no idea. If it drifts a bit then so what? Lets get all this back out to the people that can make a difference, or am I being too simplistic?

However, in light of Simonm's comment, and for those members with limited understanding of what is being discussed in this thread, I will speak further on lightning.



Until recently, mainstream science only recognized three states of mater, solid, liquid, or gas. Any elemental atom can be effected into one of these three states by heat.

It has recently been discovered, that plasma is the fourth state of mater. Plasma can only occur within an electromagnetic field.

Lightning is a plasma discharge.

Tesla was creating plasma out of the active vacuum, or ethers, in his lab in Colorado Springs, CO. (In hyperdimensional physics, some physicists understand the active vacuum to be a pathway to an alternate dimension.)

Within another Tom Bearden presentation I once listened to (not the one I posted above), Bearden spoke of how Tesla was altering the frame of a generator and pulling energy from the vacuum.

All electric motors, and thereby all electric generators are built to National Electrical Manufacturers Association (NEMA) specifications with the fields (windings) arranged in a symmetrical configuration. An electric motor is nothing more than an electric generator working with its fields in reverse. The inner core, or armature is the part that spins. The frame is the stationary portion. Both the armature, and the frame are wound with coils of wire called the 'fields'.

In Tesla's lab, he was building generators with asymmetrical field arrangements. According to Bearden, this produced vast amounts of over unity (0-point) energy that was never utilized by the industry. In fact this technology was suppressed.

If this description is not foundational understanding to where 7redorbs is heading with this thread , then I'll retire from commenting.

[Simonm]

Many thanks to Observer. However, personally I still don't see why anyone should cease posting, and I hope they don't. This is a fascinating subject to read about. Please, everyone, post what you know so that idiots like me can learn something important.

[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by Simonm (here)
Many thanks to Observer. However, personally I still don't see why anyone should cease posting, and I hope they don't. This is a fascinating subject to read about. Please, everyone, post what you know so that idiots like me can learn something important.

Simonm, I like your attitude. Please ask 7redorbs a question. A question he would "also be happy to entertain".

7redorbs wrote:
I am also happy to entertain relevant questions to the subject.

[Simonm]

Posted by wavydome (here)

Posted by Simonm (here)
Many thanks to Observer. However, personally I still don't see why anyone should cease posting, and I hope they don't. This is a fascinating subject to read about. Please, everyone, post what you know so that idiots like me can learn something important.

Simonm, I like your attitude. Please ask 7redorbs a question. A question he would "also be happy to entertain".

7redorbs wrote:
I am also happy to entertain relevant questions to the subject.

Thankyou, unfortunately, I really wouldn't know what to ask of any of you. It's only in the last year that I even heard of the full story of Tesla and his discoveries. I'd love to hear more of his theories and that of modern day exponants in the same field. The fact that modern electrics are a fraction of it's true nature. The fact that electricity travels faster than light?? The first time I found anything out of the norm regarding energy production was the theory in the film Thrive.

My only request is that yourself and 7redorbs keep posting and I hope that others are clever enough to ask the right question.

Many many thanks

Simon

[heyokah]

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Hi 7redorbs,

You are probably very busy, but I saw you have been reading these replies....

As you started this thread, please give these members, who are seriously interested in the material, an answer, advice, input, whatever .......


Peace & respect,

Best,
h

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[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by 7redorbs (here)
I am also happy to entertain relevant questions to the subject.


A

Please entertain the notion of providing sequential labels or subtitles, or sequential commentary. To be embedded in your video (Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qTriBftOPtw)

Otherwise, without the benefit of closer up view, without benefit of the magnified view of the umbrella tapping the arc, without better lighting... It is not actually clear what is going on there. BTW, i love arcs.... Without the benefit of a list , of experimental test apparatus, methods used, summary, experimenter's observations, conclusions... perhaps even the potentials of replication by others... Then we get a free for all, here.

wav ωΩ

[Bo Atkinson]

This post has been deleted by me. Thanks to a fine school teacher's advice. I'll try to think of something more apt to write here, later.

ωΩ

[heyokah]

I have to think of John Searl, the man who keeps dreaming, with his Searl-Effect Generator(SEG)

http://searlsolution.com/johnsearl.html

John Searl is one of the most controversial figures in Antigravity research, but since beginning his work in the 1940's, he's arguably become "the father of modern Antigravity".
His claim is simple: that after a childhood dream showing a rotating set of rollers on a metallic ring, he constructed a device called the Searl Effect Generator (SEG) that seems to produce massive Antigravitational thrust.
Searl is one of the cultural icons in the Antigravity movement.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kJX17LgBYaQ

John Roy Robert Searl (born 2 May 1932) is the inventor of the Searl Effect Generator (SEG) and the Inverse Gravity Vehicle (IGV), both are open system (system theory) energy converting devices, utilizing linear motor technology with sets of multi-phased rollers riding on a magnetic bearing.
An electrical autodidact, Searl conducted his initial experimental research and development from 1946 to 1956.
The SEG successfully generated electricity, but also unexpectedly repelled itself from the earth’s gravity with a powerful lifting force; subsequently he was able to control it with the development of the IGV.


From:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:John_Searl


Here is a link to The Searl Effect Website

http://searleffect.com/free/allaccess/allaccess.html

Here a link to the Searlsolution site

http://searlsolution.com/

[heyokah]

Well, this is a sort of deleting......I think LOL

[Bo Atkinson]

Posted by heyokah (here)

Posted by wavydome (here)

A wrote:
e.g. I don't want credit. I want patents

How would Avalon address this comment? What would you wish to see posted here, which will address this or entertain this, from your perspective?

ωΩ

Hi, wavydome.

Actually A wrote: e.g. I don't want credit. I want patents, and the lie of energy scarcity to end.


Or did I miss something here?

heyoke, good person,

If the fact is that i should always include all parts of a quoted sentence, perhaps then it was i who missed something. My regrets in that case, for failing to get there, in this regard.

I meant no disrespect. Rather only to ask for clarification about that part of a sentence.

With thanks for all the hard work, we all do to clarify our difficult positions in life. Which a times expose us and to more difficulties. May we all transform the world into better ways for tomorrow.

~wav

[observer]

Posted by wavydome (here)
A wrote:
e.g. I don't want credit. I want patents, and the lie of energy scarcity to end. [edit of quoted text by observer]

It would seem to me, possibly the reason our mysterious Mr. Bull isn't offering any further information is due to his desire for financial reward in this process.

Financial reward is "Credit" in one form.

There is additionally the possibility that what he has discovered could get him put to sleep - permanently.

This could also be a contributing factor in Mr. Bull's hesitance.

Just my observation....

[heyokah]

"I don't want credit. I want patents, and the lie of energy scarcity to end."

It all depends on the comma (,) after the word patents.
Was it meant to be there or only a grammatical mistake.....
When you read it without a comma, as I did (being somewhat dyslectic LOL), the meaning is completely different.