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    Quote Posted by billyji (here)
    I am not meaning to go off topic here but a few of the recent comments about the soul has reminded me of the Hindu story of Hanuman battling the Demi God Ravana who could not be destroyed.
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    Hanuman later found out the secret of Ravana's imortality. His soul was not with his body but kept in a secret place in the underworld seperated from the body.
    The container that Hanuman holds is the soul of Ravana, He is returning the soul to Ravana to enable him to be defeated.


    Read the story here. Just click on the next number to follow the story.
    http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1194

    http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1195

    http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1196

    I sometimes wonder if the Cabal have sold their souls and are trapped here.

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    Quote Posted by Avocadess (here)
    BillyJi, The way I learned the Ramayana, in the end of the story about Ram, Sita, Hanuman and Ravanah (aka Ravan) the Hindu scriptures say that as it turned out Ravanah was one of Ram's greatest devotees -- because he never could get Ram (aka Rama) off of his mind. He was effectively "meditating" on Ram at all times.

    It's an interesting thing to think about. I personally have come to the conclusion, (and I certainly could be wrong), that even the worst of the worst have a way to loop around back to the Light of Love and Heart. I'm a cock-eyed optimist, I know -- and I don't mean it could happen within just one lifetime, but in the whole grand and long-term scheme of things.
    I also am an optimist Avocadess, Maybe the Cabal require assistance in regathering their souls to allow them to move on.

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    When you express from a fearful heart in the now moment, You create a fearful future.
    When you express from a loving heart in the now moment, You create a loving future.

    Have no fear, Be aware and live your lives journey from a compassionate caring nurturing heart to manifest a compassionate caring nurturing future. Billyji


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    Well, it's been 21st June here now in England for some 14 hours. It's past lunchtime and I've yet to see one cabal member being "extracted from the planet". As many of the main players are all in Mexico at the G20, it should have been quite easy for them to perform one foul swoop with their interstellar vacuum cleaner! C'mon ETs, what are you waiting for?
    If certain members are 'removed' by taking them and casting them into the central sun, then their memory will cease to exist - there will be no traces of their existence, previous existence or future existence as they will have been effectively vaporized from any record aside from what is known by Source. So, how do you "know" it hasn't already happened? It's quite the conundrum for anyone looking for proof, don't you think?
    There is only a conundrum for inexperienced souls that rely on labyrinthine word play and mind games to trick people.

    I journey into dimensions where there is no Time. I know what Timeless dimensions are like.

    Partly what holds this dimension together is Time. Time is very real and very present here.

    It's bendable for sure... like you may have experienced, if you've been in a car accident, say, how time appears to slow down before the impact.

    Conversely, time appears to go very quickly when we're having fun.

    Our perception of Time can change, in this dimension, according to how we feel.

    But Time is always present here in this dimension. Otherwise, the very nature of this dimension will change and will be something else.

    But don't let me stop you carrying on making up this utter bilge, designed to create confusion and apathy. I'm sure there might be some that believe it. You just picked the wrong person with me.

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    Well, it's been 21st June here now in England for some 14 hours. It's past lunchtime and I've yet to see one cabal member being "extracted from the planet". As many of the main players are all in Mexico at the G20, it should have been quite easy for them to perform one foul swoop with their interstellar vacuum cleaner! C'mon ETs, what are you waiting for?
    If certain members are 'removed' by taking them and casting them into the central sun, then their memory will cease to exist - there will be no traces of their existence, previous existence or future existence as they will have been effectively vaporized from any record aside from what is known by Source. So, how do you "know" it hasn't already happened? It's quite the conundrum for anyone looking for proof, don't you think?
    There is only a conundrum for inexperienced souls that rely on labyrinthine word play and mind games to trick people.

    I journey into dimensions where there is no Time. I know what Timeless dimensions are like.

    Partly what holds this dimension together is Time. Time is very real and very present here.

    It's bendable for sure... like you may have experienced, if you've been in a car accident, say, how time appears to slow down before the impact.

    Conversely, time appears to go very quickly when we're having fun.

    Our perception of Time can change, in this dimension, according to how we feel.

    But Time is always present here in this dimension. Otherwise, the very nature of this dimension will change and will be something else.

    But don't let me stop you carrying on making up this utter bilge, designed to create confusion and apathy. I'm sure there might be some that believe it. You just picked the wrong person with me.
    Nice diatribe. However, I wasn't "picking" anything with you aside from pointing out a major issue with regard to the perception of "progress" vs. what they have stated may potentially happen to these souls when allegedly cast into the central sun. It appears that your response, although most likely made in jest, was not well thought out relative to the proclaimed physicality of their claims.
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    who fed you that garbage about 26K years?

    the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?

    Any source of information that injects thought into the minds of others such that that thought leads to an ultimatum where war is one of the options happens to be an archon - get it? Look at yourself and see how much your ego is wrapped up into what you believe is true and realize that that is the only thing standing in the way of you seeing the actual light which is and can only ever be a solution founded in love.

    but what do I know? nothing.
    That is my understanding of historical time that they were provided one cosmic cycle to act within their own free will. That cycle is now up and it's time for Gaia to move on. It is not a debate, the progression of Gaia into a 4th Density positive being is happening all around you weather anyone likes it or not!

    If you have a better explanation of the historical significance of the cosmic cycle here on earth and what occurred within that time frame, then please share it with us.
    There is zero argument about what you are saying here regarding the possibility of an "ascension" and what an ascension happens to be - I don't "know" like some seem to think they know.

    My point has nothing to do with any ascension unless that ascension hinges upon where humanity is at collectively at some point in time where nature herself may draw the line. Beyond my realm... I am a simple spirit being.

    Sadly though, you missed the point entirely.

    Executing the supposed bad guys - purportedly a part of this plan contrived by a group of earth humans and possibly including supposed good guy ETs will do nothing to assist humanity's achievement of that 100th monkey... he 100th monkey which according to the some ascensionists is critical to whether or not "gaia" ascends. OR if you are in the camp of ascensionists who believe two earths will emerge, one which remains in 3D and one that emerges into 4D, then it seems quite logical that those who align with an "off with their heads" attitude may find themselves in another cycle of 3D afterall.

    Executions are part of the plans that have been stated by their chosen spokesman, Drake.

    It is my opinion that anyone that agrees with that course of action or cowardly aligns with it by agreeing to the overall plan and avoids the one or two minor details is no less infected at the soul and/or spirit level than the very same satanic cabal that purportedly sacrificed a live human baby within the last dozen or so hours in Colorado.

    With one exception, they are at least honest with their own ilk as to who/what they are and what they are about and that is one of their advantages by the way, self honesty.

    Executions simply throw gas on the fire.
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    StarDust, you mean that you're requiring me to debate with these science fiction writers in the pay of the CIA as if their claims are based on any kind of reality?

    Dream on, sonny.

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    This thread gives me a headache.


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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    Quote Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
    And an alternating pov on RA, and of course the ever popular Horus RA as a parasitical God thread.

    https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...442#post509442
    Have you read "Shopping for the spirit" ?

    Quote They encompass everything and also expand on the truth behind what these "Archons" actually are, why they came into existence, the leading role they play behind the control system/agenda itself and the false creation that is the astral (which they rule).

    http://www.equilibra.uk.com/shop1.shtml
    Just getting into this.. looks like another point of view:

    Never Call Them Archons – How You Can Help Bust Up the Matrix
    Quote This article has been 15 years in the making, as it took that long for me to be able to distill this information into an accessible format. This is going to represent a few very important pieces of the overall puzzle of how we are going to shift this planet and everyone upon it into an ascended frequency of being. One key aspect of this shift is going to be the “cleaning up of consciousness” of all of humanity, which is no small task, to be sure. This article will cover in detail the major obstacle to this consciousness clean-up, as well as a solution that needs your help to succeed.

    I briefly wrote last year about a “living cloud of shadows” surrounding this planet, populated by energy parasites. These parasitic beings have chosen to experiment with the illusions of separation, fear, darkness, isolation, conquering, enslavement, pain, suffering, torture, etc. to the strongest degree possible. In doing so, they have completely cut themselves off from the nourishing Light of Being that supports life in the universe. The result is that they must energetically nourish themselves by feeding on low-frequency energies that resonate with their chosen mode of expression.

    These beings call themselves “Archons” which means “Rulers” or “Lords” because they see themselves as the rulers and enslavers of humanity. (The ancient Gnostics first gave them this title in their writings based on direct psychic experiences with these beings.) While these unseen being’s clever enslavement and manipulation of humanity has been quite successful up until now, I will NEVER address them as my ruler or superior in any way, just like I wouldn’t consider physical, intestinal parasites as my superior even though they might cause me physical discomfort until I remove them from my body.

    Our thoughts have power – much more than we often realize. Words and titles have power because they frame our thoughts into a certain set of beliefs without us even realizing it. Calling a “royal” human “Your Highness” automatically places them above you in your mind. Calling a judge “Your Honor” achieves the same thing. Therefore it very is important that when you think about these energy parasites, that you NEVER call them “Archon” because you will be literally handing them your power and energy by doing so.

    I prefer to call them Ankle Biters. This lets them know exactly what I think of them, which is that they are lowly parasites, an infection of consciousness that will be purged from my system through proper use of my will via energetic clearing and transmutation. This also serves to really make them angry which exposes them and makes them easier to deal with. In spite of their self-proclaimed status as “Rulers” of humanity, they hide like little worms in the shadows of our minds, sending impulses of low-frequency emotion and thought to our ego and emotional bodies in order to elicit a low-frequency emotional energy that they can consume. Because they love to hide, they need to be “flushed out” into the open in order to be dealt with, so a healthy dose of disrespect and a little arrogance are necessary ingredients when confronting these parasites.

    A Little Back Story
    Once upon a time, on this very planet in the far distant past, human beings were infinitely more impressive than we are today. We were fully telepathic, multi-dimensional beings that could simultaneously perceive and navigate many dimensions at once. We built vast cities with technology that worked in harmony with Earth’s energetic fields. We were in full alignment with our Divine Inner Self while expressing ourselves in physicality in a wide variety of life-affirming ways......
    more:
    http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/20...-them-archons/
    Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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    Quote Posted by justoneman (here)
    Executing the supposed bad guys - purportedly a part of this plan contrived by a group of earth humans and possibly including supposed good guy ETs will do nothing to assist humanity's achievement of that 100th monkey... he 100th monkey which according to the some ascensionists is critical to whether or not "gaia" ascends. OR if you are in the camp of ascensionists who believe two earths will emerge, one which remains in 3D and one that emerges into 4D, then it seems quite logical that those who align with an "off with their heads" attitude may find themselves in another cycle of 3D afterall.

    Executions are part of the plans that have been stated by their chosen spokesman, Drake.

    It is my opinion that anyone that agrees with that course of action or cowardly aligns with it by agreeing to the overall plan and avoids the one or two minor details is no less infected at the soul and/or spirit level than the very same satanic cabal that purportedly sacrificed a live human baby within the last dozen or so hours in Colorado.

    With one exception, they are at least honest with their own ilk as to who/what they are and what they are about and that is one of their advantages by the way, self honesty.

    Executions simply throw gas on the fire.
    On the contrary, I chose not to engage that point since I am indifferent to how the whole achieves the means as long as the end result is in transformation. I did not incarnate to fight wars or to kill anyone. I incarnated to anchor light energies to Gaia's grid. I have never intentionally taken the life of another being in the entire 'history' of my celestial being and I don't intend on changing that now. I do not agree with your assessment of guilt by association since we are all free to support aspects of any action and not support other aspects of it as we so freely choose. In this sense, I'm a free agent and I pick what I support accordance with my mission. You are free to think what you will, but clearly you are mistaken when trying to pin the guilt by association nonsense on another.

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    My "messaging" comes directly from a 6th Density social memory complex in the etheric realm of Sirius B; of which I am a member. I volunteered to incarnate here as a representative of our SMC and to assist Gaia and Terrans in the transformation. My message is designed to assist those who are seeking. If the message does not resonate with you, then simply discard it and move on. That is your free will of choice which will always be honored.

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    StarDust, you mean that you're requiring me to debate with these science fiction writers in the pay of the CIA as if their claims are based on any kind of reality?

    Dream on, sonny.
    Take your fight elsewhere. I have none with you. I only pointed out an inconsistency within your response and nothing more.

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    My "messaging" comes directly from a 6th Density social memory complex in the etheric realm of Sirius B; of which I am a member. I volunteered to incarnate here as a representative of our SMC and to assist Gaia and Terrans in the transformation. My message is designed to assist those who are seeking. If the message does not resonate with you, then simply discard it and move on. That is your free will of choice which will always be honored.

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    Quote Posted by TargeT (here)
    A Little Back Story
    Once upon a time, on this very planet in the far distant past, human beings were infinitely more impressive than we are today. We were fully telepathic, multi-dimensional beings that could simultaneously perceive and navigate many dimensions at once. We built vast cities with technology that worked in harmony with Earth’s energetic fields. We were in full alignment with our Divine Inner Self while expressing ourselves in physicality in a wide variety of life-affirming ways......
    It makes one wonder who/what has worked so hard to hide those gifts. I think a basic understanding of the 'ankle biters' relative to how consciousness is evolving without their interferenece goes a long way to explaining what happened.

    "Where your focus goes, energy flows." ~Alex Collier

    My "messaging" comes directly from a 6th Density social memory complex in the etheric realm of Sirius B; of which I am a member. I volunteered to incarnate here as a representative of our SMC and to assist Gaia and Terrans in the transformation. My message is designed to assist those who are seeking. If the message does not resonate with you, then simply discard it and move on. That is your free will of choice which will always be honored.

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    the same Pleiadians Truman Cash discusses and has had experience with?
    I don't believe Truman said they came from the Pleiades

    Quote Posted by TrumanCash (here)
    However, this does not necessarily mean that the SSPs come from the Pleiades. I have no idea where they come from.
    Then you did not read Truman's Eye of Ra. He specifically states throughout the over 100 page document that one of the ET groups he has dealt with were the SSPs - The Serpent Staff Pleiadeans... and guess what they did?

    Acccording to Truman - They ramped up the ra ra attitude of the Egyptians to attack the Hittites. Their practices also involved human sacrifice. And guess what else they did? The same thing to the Hittites.

    Does this not seem to be the same thing happening now with a "cabal" and "we the people"???

    Another point, I am tired of hearing "Pleiadians, Orions, Sirians, Draconians, etc. Its all stereotyping - supposedly what us "evolved" humans have for the most part transcended.

    Each spirit being has their own choice as to what type of being they desire to manifest and guess what? Any spirit being can change instantly and into something completely different than what they may have projected themselves to be just moments before.

    Each of us have our own responsibility to trust another individual spirit being and enter into the risk of that trust. We are all spirit beings. Some of us have souls, some perhaps do not. Some of us have physical bodies, some do not. That's the universe, folks... the real wild wild west. Once you know you are a perfect child of creation, immortal and eternal... then you can graduate to the real game of life on any level your experience currently resides.

    Ghandi said it - be the change you want to see, because that's how it works.

    Execute the bad guys and perhaps another spirit being (or group of spirit beings) deems you to be a bad guy from their point of view OR transcend that dynamic altogether...

    and you know I am correct, Avocadess, but you have invested too much of yourself (ego) into all this. Why not resurrect the warrior within you and tell Drake (since you have an entry point to these clowns) about how you really feel about the executions part. I dare you to be honest about how you truly feel about that part of this wonderful plan.

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    Quote Posted by StarDust (here)
    Nice diatribe. However, I wasn't "picking" anything with you aside from pointing out a major issue with regard to the perception of "progress" vs. what they have stated may potentially happen to these souls when allegedly cast into the central sun. It appears that your response, although most likely made in jest, was not well thought out relative to the proclaimed physicality of their claims.
    There's a point in time where one must come to the sobering realization that if this "progress" cannot be measured, it should not be called progress and to use that word knowingly after that point becomes disingenuous. If people need to be focusing on their inner world a strong case must be made directly linking the inner and outer world. Tell someone they need to "evolve" or "Emotionally mature" and you'll get a blank stare. Tell someone "If you could just figure out how to not yell when X happens, you'll suddenly find yourself in a higher paying job" then it's entirely different. You've just given the person something of value to them they can seek in the change, motivating them, to pursue it with their whole heart. (Of course, what each person finds value in is individual.) Of course someone might want to say that such people should seek value in the evolution for change's arbitrary sake alone. To which I'd respond that if they were actually serious about getting people to listen, they're going to need to offer something more than merely moralizing platitudes. People need to see a direct connection/translation and they will not always posses the abstract thinking capacity necessary to make the myriad of connections that you might to see how that change will ultimately benefit them. It's just the way things are, people don't think ahead, if you want to advocate you must show them how.

    So beating someone over the head with unfalsifiable explanations is insulting. It demeans all involved when you insist that you alone posses some great truth or insight but yet cannot ever make it relevant or approachable to others who do not already agree with your unproven postulates. You're basically telling people "I only want to talk to others who already agree with me. I don't have anything to prove, so go shove off if you want to be critical." Which sounds just like what a huckster would say. Not to say that you are one, but it's crucial people understand just HOW important appearances are. Even someone who's trying to be 100% authentic has to spend an inordinate amount of time making sure that everything they say or do cannot easily be misunderstood or misinterpreted by others watching. If anything you say or do revolves around communicating with large groups of people, you cannot skimp in how you present yourself. Just my two cents, because right now it doesn't matter what either of you are saying it's already tread into territory the average person has not been and as such doing so continuously will engender skeptical antipathy towards anything further you say. (as you already started with an unproven postulate, but cannot offer any supporting explanations that are in any way testable or provable. You're asking us to buy your opinion by offering still more opinions.)
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    Quote Posted by billyji (here)
    I am not meaning to go off topic here but a few of the recent comments about the soul has reminded me of the Hindu story of Hanuman battling the Demi God Ravana who could not be destroyed.
    Attachment 17023


    Hanuman later found out the secret of Ravana's imortality. His soul was not with his body but kept in a secret place in the underworld seperated from the body.
    The container that Hanuman holds is the soul of Ravana, He is returning the soul to Ravana to enable him to be defeated.


    Read the story here. Just click on the next number to follow the story.
    http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1194

    http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1195

    http://www.learnnc.org/lp/editions/ramayana/1196

    I sometimes wonder if the Cabal have sold their souls and are trapped here.

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    Quote Posted by Avocadess (here)
    BillyJi, The way I learned the Ramayana, in the end of the story about Ram, Sita, Hanuman and Ravanah (aka Ravan) the Hindu scriptures say that as it turned out Ravanah was one of Ram's greatest devotees -- because he never could get Ram (aka Rama) off of his mind. He was effectively "meditating" on Ram at all times.

    It's an interesting thing to think about. I personally have come to the conclusion, (and I certainly could be wrong), that even the worst of the worst have a way to loop around back to the Light of Love and Heart. I'm a cock-eyed optimist, I know -- and I don't mean it could happen within just one lifetime, but in the whole grand and long-term scheme of things.
    I also am an optimist Avocadess, Maybe the Cabal require assistance in regathering their souls to allow them to move on.

    Peace
    Exactly the opportunity we have as humanity and what could resolve a conflict in this tiny local region of this outpost in the Milky Way... a conflict that some folks are of the opinion has gone on for hundreds of thousands of years... but an opportunity which could slip away because some supposed mystery school graduate wanna be s think they know best as to the course humanity should take - idiocy.

    Thank You, Peace... your Avatar fits you well.
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    Well, it's been 21st June here now in England for some 14 hours. It's past lunchtime and I've yet to see one cabal member being "extracted from the planet". As many of the main players are all in Mexico at the G20, it should have been quite easy for them to perform one foul swoop with their interstellar vacuum cleaner! C'mon ETs, what are you waiting for?
    If certain members are 'removed' by taking them and casting them into the central sun, then their memory will cease to exist - there will be no traces of their existence, previous existence or future existence as they will have been effectively vaporized from any record aside from what is known by Source. So, how do you "know" it hasn't already happened? It's quite the conundrum for anyone looking for proof, don't you think?
    There is only a conundrum for inexperienced souls that rely on labyrinthine word play and mind games to trick people.

    I journey into dimensions where there is no Time. I know what Timeless dimensions are like.

    Partly what holds this dimension together is Time. Time is very real and very present here.

    It's bendable for sure... like you may have experienced, if you've been in a car accident, say, how time appears to slow down before the impact.

    Conversely, time appears to go very quickly when we're having fun.

    Our perception of Time can change, in this dimension, according to how we feel.

    But Time is always present here in this dimension. Otherwise, the very nature of this dimension will change and will be something else.

    But don't let me stop you carrying on making up this utter bilge, designed to create confusion and apathy. I'm sure there might be some that believe it. You just picked the wrong person with me.
    Nice diatribe. However, I wasn't "picking" anything with you aside from pointing out a major issue with regard to the perception of "progress" vs. what they have stated may potentially happen to these souls when allegedly cast into the central sun. It appears that your response, although most likely made in jest, was not well thought out relative to the proclaimed physicality of their claims.
    Throwing incarnate beings into a sun (regardless of what sun it is, central or not) is an imposition upon the free will of that spirit being. Nothing will change and they will simply incarnate more fired up than ever before and into a form you cannot defend against and chase you through dozens of lifetimes perhaps. Enjoy your game.

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    Throwing incarnate beings into a sun (regardless of what sun it is, central or not) is an imposition upon the free will of that spirit being. Nothing will change and they will simply incarnate more fired up than ever before and into a form you cannot defend against and chase you through dozens of lifetimes perhaps. Enjoy your game.
    You seem to be really hung up on weather or not beings are being destroyed vs being reset to move on to other things. This is your cross to bear and not mine. I have no desire to argue the morality of it all. As I've stated before, I'm indifferent about the whole thing. If they are able to be rehabilitated, then great; if not, then oh well! I did not 'create' this solution and am certainly not involved in carrying it out. I only presented information as it was offered by others and nothing more.

    "Where your focus goes, energy flows." ~Alex Collier

    My "messaging" comes directly from a 6th Density social memory complex in the etheric realm of Sirius B; of which I am a member. I volunteered to incarnate here as a representative of our SMC and to assist Gaia and Terrans in the transformation. My message is designed to assist those who are seeking. If the message does not resonate with you, then simply discard it and move on. That is your free will of choice which will always be honored.

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    Stardust, sweetheart ~

    You are trying so very hard here to explain your ideas, and so eagerly seeking support for these. But – and I say this with great respect and I don’t know how to phrase this tactfully - they are only “ideas”. Dreams and thoughts and ideas you’ve read about, not your actual human experience. Experience will teach you many other – and better - things about reality.

    We all live in a fantasy world of wishes and hopes to some extent. All of us. At some point we all want to click our ruby shoes together, squeeze our eyes closed tight and say: Santa Claus!

    But…. What we really do learn about ourselves and our existence – if we are prepared to start with nothing and learn as we go – can indeed be more marvelous than that. True reality is indeed divine. There is bliss, truly. And peace.

    But that’s what’s called a path, an unfolding. And trudging it.

    Your experience will eventually exceed your imagination. But you gotta go there to know that.

    Ishtar, Raf, 9Eagle, justoneman, the vast mystery, silentfeathers – and so many others here are speaking from experience. (Forgive me for not mentioning all of you by name!) But there’s simply no substitute for doing that homework, on yourself, in solitude.

    I admire your tremendous defense of your …..ego?....self?....hopes?.... here. And your sincere wish to be of service. That’s an excellent beginning on the higher path.

    But.

    But.

    Gently, gently. It’s okay to curl up in a fetal position and scream in frustration because you think we don’t understand…. That’s okay.

    You will be okay. You will find your own way; I can guarantee that. You are only beginning your own journey toward your own reality. Don't give up on yourself.

    All best regards,

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    Selene,

    I am sharing a perception and that is all. I have no need to explain "ideas" nor gather support for anything. What a common misperception on the island of misfit ideas. I acknowledge that my thoughts are clearly irrelevant to those who choose to combat them vs acknowledging an experience of another for that which it simply is. And I'm certainly OK with that. Your sugar coated nature does not disguise the condescending tone of your message. I have no desire to join your clique of internet warriors. Collectively, you really are a bunch that is easy to get stirred up over virtually nothing (not all, but some of you). It's quite entertaining at times!
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    How about we start another thread entitled... "Drake: For CIA disinfo agents, monkey-minds, and bone-pickers."

    They can fight it out there, and We can visit when we get really bored.
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    I actually can't take any more of this and am outta here a few hrs before 12:01am June 22nd, 2012.....
    Good luck to all regardless of what side the fence you are on with this topic, obviously there is no place in the middle and I will resort to my rock collection on my shelf here in my living room for more peace and clarity than can be found here....c-ya later.....

    I'll be back in a week or two, or should I say, "soon"? to see how many are still here and to see who has been ascended or evaporated and to see who has not.
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    Selene,

    I am sharing a perception and that is all. I have no need to explain "ideas" nor gather support for anything. What a common misperception on the island of misfit ideas. I acknowledge that my thoughts are clearly irrelevant to those who choose to combat them vs acknowledging an experience of another for that which it simply is. And I'm certainly OK with that. Your sugar coated nature does not disguise the condescending tone of your message. I have no desire to join your clique of internet warriors. Collectively, you really are a bunch that is easy to get stirred up over virtually nothing (not all, but some of you). It's quite entertaining at times!
    Okay, I think I can break this down a bit more and hopefully explain why the skepticism exists. First of all, trust is a single variable that determines whether or not someone accepts what you say in any way shape or form. No other thing, all trust. But one of the first lessons learned by the deceived is that trusting blindly or trusting without sufficient demonstration allows one to quite easily be deceived in horrible ways. For someone to trust what you have to say then, you have to make yourself into an example of what you want to convey that will breech all of the bad experiences held by those who were deceived. Every bad experience leads to developing a form of defense. These defenses exist to protect the abused, and they are not to be ignored if you care even a smidgeon about your message being accepted by anyone. One thing my spiritual research has shown me is that if anything, science is more about being able to establish trust in an idea without having to trust who presented it. You propose something that can be tested, and proven wrong (Called falsifiability) and if it survives many various and different attempts at being proven wrong then by process of elimination your explanation can be trusted to be the most correct possible explanation at that given time all available data.

    Science however shows us quickly our own human limitations in how physical changes alone can irrevocably alter our own perception of the world. Even if the mind is not the brain, the brain is still a two-way connection to the mind and influencing one certainly influences the other. This means that in short no human being can ever be 100% guaranteed (at least as we exist here and now, today) to be 100% correct in their understanding of what they experienced. Emotional trauma, toxins in the blood, brain damage, or any number of conditions can all drastically impair our senses, ability to understand, or communicate what exactly it is we are seeing and hearing, let alone feeling emotionally. Thus it is always best to first approach every experience first with the belief we could very well be wrong about what it was, and question/test what it is we remember with ourselves and others to be absolutely sure we're not being led astray by ourselves or any other stray environmental factors that might lead us to make a poor conclusion.

    Now, science has its own problems because it is still practiced by fallible people operating on their own dogma of materialism, but science itself offers the tools to get around this because it can be used to test any idea, any belief, that claims to in any way shape or form touch the material world. (Gravity is immaterial for instance, yet it effects the material world, and as such we can measure/predict it by its effect on material things.) Of course, if it never touches the material world, science could not predict it. But if it never touches the material world then it seems quite futile to bother studying something that cannot effect you.

    Now here's where we get to the very hard question part: If you have no need to explain yourself, and don't need anyone's support on anything then why are you here and why are you claiming to know ANYTHING? Because it's true? How would we know that? How many homeless guys on drugs absolutely believe they're Jesus? What if one of them really was? What good would him saying he was Jesus do if he couldn't prove it to anyone? So if advocacy and enlightenment isn't it, then what is your purpose here? If you're not trying to discuss or debate ideas then why does it sure seem to us like you are? (By responding to others in a way that insinuates you can prove yourself correct, yet does not offer evidence of correctness.) And yes, if you're here to "Share your experiences" that counts as advocacy because you're here to share something based on the idea of offering it as aid to others. But if you cannot even begin to make your experience directly relevant or important to anyone then all you're really doing is annoying people, just like every homeless addict who claims to be Jesus.

    Because if one of them really was Jesus, and he had a real mission to do here, he wouldn't hurt it by claiming he was Jesus if he had no proof and knew his success depended on people trusting him for who he was. He'd present himself as authentically as possible while acknowledging the truths of this current world as well. (Namely that things are not merely trusted or taken as they are because this population has dealt with a history or murder, torture and deceit that naturally makes us very untrusting towards anything that seems miles and mountains outside of what we currently believe we know.) By refusing to acknowledge that this is what it takes to get your message accepted, yet persisting in its repetition, you're just turning more people off rather than getting them to care about what you have to say. Why? Because we've had thousands of people say just the same thing and turn out to be frauds.

    It's not particularly fair to you and I'm sorry for that; you're not the boy who cried wolf. But because enough other boys in the past who came before you did cry wolf, you'll now have to bear the burden of understanding that anyone who outwardly appears to be a boy crying wolf will be approached that way until the wolf's presence can be determined and trust will only begin to be built after a history of successful confirmed wolf spotting has occurred.

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