A New World Order: Exposing the Luciferian Agenda

[Jeffrey]

Garuda is known as the eternal sworn enemy of the Nāga serpent race and known for feeding exclusively on snakes, such behavior may have referred to the actual Short-toed Eagle of India. The image of Garuda is often used as the charm or amulet to protect the bearer from snake attack and its poison, since the king of birds is an implacable enemy and "devourer of serpent". Garudi Vidya is the mantra against snake poison to remove all kinds of evil.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda

Garuda = Eagle/Devourer

[Unified Serenity]

I am reminded of the parable of the wheat and the tares. Under the cover of darkness, the evil one sowed similar seeds that looked the same as the good wheat but in fact were a weed known as tares. Only at harvest time would the differences be clear and we were instructed to not disturb the tares lest harm come to the tender wheat. I think the parable is about false teachings as well as the much deeper secret Philidelphia and Smyrna taught regarding the Kenites. Most deep teachings in the bible are on three levels.

1. milk
2. solid
3 meat

These are also spoken of in regards to teaching spiritual babies, young men, and old men. You can read the same passage for years and then one day by some "rhema" or divine inspiration that passage takes on a deeper meaning, but it only comes by rightly dividing the word and seeking truth with a pure heart, imho. Blavasky taught a twisted truth which naturally had little bells tinkling that seemed truthful. I have looked into theosophical books and teachings over the years and they are very enticing and can lead one astray from truth to ultimately be very self serving and of a hard heart.

The New Age is just a repackaged old spirituality of the man being God. Where did we hear this before? Pride comes before the fall, and the lies told by the master of forked tongue easily ensnare young souls. It's akin to the Pied Piper's tune luring innocent children to their deaths as they happily skip along never knowing their fate soon to befall them. I believe we get messages of how the elites see mankind in general as cattle and how they lie to us. Sure it could just be a song, but look at these below. Two of my favorites are by the Eurythics:

1. Would I lie to you

Drum roll begins the song which is symbolic of an announcement. We are told it's late, she rides up, comes in and decides to tell the truth as she stares in the mirror. The band begins to play and get the crowd going. Horns are symbolic of an annoucement, as in the last shofar. Here comes the big announcement: She comes out and the three women in a red dress (symbolic of the "whore of babylon / deception) sing "Would I lie to you" and Annie's first word is "uh yeh". She then tells the audience that her friends know what's in store, and she's getting ready to walk out the door. Yeh, she's the landlord with the new building all ready to move into, and she's moving. The game is up and you have been warned. The crowd is all for it, and clapping, they have no idea what the truth really is. She (the elites / establishment control) is making it and has made it, The new system / building. Now, we get to the message: No deception in this "moment" of truth. "Tell you straight, NO INTERVENTION" there you got that? NO, intervention. WAKE UP..... yeh right, they just clap on and enjoy the show. "You're the biggest fake that much is true, had all I can take, now I'm leaving you." Yeh, we are nothing but sheep and cattle. We are fake, we cry freedom while we let them steal it from us. We let them rape, pillage, plunder and murder us in the name of whatever is the popular cause. She rode in on his bike, and she's done with him. How long have the elites ridden on our backs? Now, they're telling us straight, "I'm leaving you". She's leaving the old system and starting with something new. The boyfriend confronts her and she pushes him into the sheep who take care of him. It's interesting a business man is dancing center stage. Economy is key here, and we are about to see an exit from the old system into the new.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=VLGC06OvOYI

2. Sweet Dreams

We start with communication again in a nice building with a board room, sending us a message if you have eyes to see and ears to hear that is. Fist pounds on a table like a decision is made. The person is in silhoutee which is symbolic of humanity. Now we go to the third eye linked to astral and as above so below. This is what's coming in the dream / plan. We hear what sounds like a whip cracking which naturally plays on the imagery of slavery. The beautiful Annie rather than being in a red dress is all business with red hair. She's going to show the sweet dream. We have an image of the world and a globe on the desk. This is about our world and how is works. We see some factory image and then see people marching along like workers who are just cogs in a wheel. We are all playing roles. Some want to use you and some want to get used. We are each accountable and have no one to blame for our lots. Yes, some want to abuse and some by being abused show they want to be abused.

Now they are in the world. He is masked and she is changed to the woman in the red dress playing the symphony in amongst the cows, I mean sheeple, I mean people. Sweet dreams are made of these facts and who is she to disagree. Facts speak for themselves. We allow it and we choose to be cattle. It is true all over the world, we are all the same in this. Now, we see a target on the world, and here comes more truth. HOLD YOUR HEAD UP means wake up people! We see image after image of eyes opening, and there is even a friggin cow waking up! They don't just put cows in videos for no reason. We see it all, the cow is there seeing it all, and does nothing. It allowing it, you're allowing it, I'm allowing it. Hold your head up MOVE ALONG! Yes, move into the new building while we entertain you. They are now in the world moving the cows / people along. Entertain the people some more with pretty music they like to hear. Now the board room has moved and the fist pounds on the table, it's DONE! The cows have moved to their new system / home and the elites are still in control moving the cows / people / useless eaters.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=rJE_Sc1Wags

[Lettherebelight]

Posted by Vivek (here)


Garuda is known as the eternal sworn enemy of the Nāga serpent race and known for feeding exclusively on snakes, such behavior may have referred to the actual Short-toed Eagle of India. The image of Garuda is often used as the charm or amulet to protect the bearer from snake attack and its poison, since the king of birds is an implacable enemy and "devourer of serpent". Garudi Vidya is the mantra against snake poison to remove all kinds of evil.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda

Garuda = Eagle/Devourer

A good presentation of Garuda related info. I use the image as an avatar in memory of the eagle spirited Jorr Lundstrum. It is interesting that the word Jor is connected to Scandinavian snake history. Go figure!

The Nagas that Garuda feeds on originate from the subterranean heavenly planets. They possess powers superior to that of humans, and are by nature malevolent.

According to the Vedas, there also exist transcendental snakes, which exist outside the jurisdiction of the material world. Sesa Naga is one. He manifests himself as the snake who acts as Maha Visnu's bed on the universal ocean. Visnu relaxes on Sesa Naga, as Lord Brahma emerges from His navel to create the universe.




Naga in Sanskrit means snake.

[Chester]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
To be very very clear....if the psyche which is animated by spirit can have an artificial installation attached to it then prana, could have a artificial installation dragging along on it as well (kundalini)? through its usual routes of expression?

I don't see why not, the gnostic texts descibe that the race of humans created by the Demiurge would act as a kind of retribution for his type of energy (ie his undoing). So, it could be that once the kundalini hitches a ride with the prana to meet shiva (there is a yoni/lingam complex in the third eye chakra as well. That lingam is WHITE while the lingam in the root chakra is BLACK) it has "been purified/retributed" or something like that. Or it could fuction as something else entirely in alignment with the plans of "archontic nature". Still looking into it.

I should add that I think it's the kundalini that plays a heavy role in reincarnation.

Hi Vivek... in reading this post, there is your mention of humans created by the demiurge, which to me implies there are humans created by another source.

Do you see this as possible?

If so, do you see that we have two types (perhaps more...) but at least two types of humans on earth in our present time, those created by the demiurge and those created by another source?

Thanks... justoneman

[9eagle9]

Not only possible but a bit more towards what one is edging towards....it is becoming more apparent TODAY (let alone eons ago) that people have been sourced, originated or created differently. The problem with discussing this sort of thing is that people want to assign immediate values of 'superior' or inferior , and get very reaction about it when its merely a matter of exploration. We'd have no idea if anyone was superior or inferior without examining those differences, and finding out where those differences were sourced or originated at.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
To be very very clear....if the psyche which is animated by spirit can have an artificial installation attached to it then prana, could have a artificial installation dragging along on it as well (kundalini)? through its usual routes of expression?

I don't see why not, the gnostic texts descibe that the race of humans created by the Demiurge would act as a kind of retribution for his type of energy (ie his undoing). So, it could be that once the kundalini hitches a ride with the prana to meet shiva (there is a yoni/lingam complex in the third eye chakra as well. That lingam is WHITE while the lingam in the root chakra is BLACK) it has "been purified/retributed" or something like that. Or it could fuction as something else entirely in alignment with the plans of "archontic nature". Still looking into it.

I should add that I think it's the kundalini that plays a heavy role in reincarnation.

Hi Vivek... in reading this post, there is your mention of humans created by the demiurge, which to me implies there are humans created by another source.

Do you see this as possible?

If so, do you see that we have two types (perhaps more...) but at least two types of humans on earth in our present time, those created by the demiurge and those created by another source?

Thanks... justoneman

Yes, according to the Gnostics the "forethought" knew that the Demiurge was going to create a race of humans, so she sent down a race before he ever created one. It was this race he used to make his "Adam" in the image of the precursory race but with his "likeness" which I'm thinking is his counterfeit spirit. The Gnostics say that the deluge and the conflagration were NOT because of "wickedness" but because of rebellion against the archons. The first race was here to teach the "created-by-the-archons-humans" about the true nature and deception of the archons and to help awaken them to their true nature/power. This is symbolized by the first Adam and Eve (ie before the ones Yaldabaoth created).

Also I think the "souls" of this precursory race (like an immune response for Gaia) were the ones that were "manifested" to Sabaoth and his Christ (possibly) and they were told to be fruitful and multiply. Could be off a little on that last sentence. BUT if we consider humans arising/manifesting/evolving FROM and OF the earth and the spirit of gaia (Sophia) then I think they would be in harmony with each other and the planet - not off balance. I think that these were the old races in places we hear little about from history like Atlantis, Lemuria, Hyperborea, Thule etc etc. The gnostics said that this first race was the incoruptable, immovable race and that when the deluge happened there souls were taken to a safe haven (sort of like the Tuatha de Danann "went into hiding" or the myths of Avalon). I'm sure some of the bloodlines were passed on and live today (mixed in/watered down) but some could have actually went into hiding underground or underwater. That's just speculation and I'm playing with thoughts here trying to extrapolate this stuff. Continuing with this line of thought, this first race would be in harmony with their bodies and spirit since they weren't affected by the Archons oppressive tinkering with their own race. Some possiblities are that they wouldn't have a kundalini or foreign type installation, knotted chakras, "junk" dna, r-complexes etc etc... They weren't jacked with. They would have appeared "godlike" to us. Like the Asgardians, or what ever other myths we hear regarding "superhuman" like people. I also think that some lineages of this race possibly "gave in" to the deception after a fair amount of gene mixing and enough time had gone by to let history get muddied.

About dna too. It's possible that their blood was potent enough to actually produce beneficial effects if one were to drink it. This would be slightly different that blood sacrifice. I'm looking into astral dna too, I hadn't heard of it until today. A possibility is that these first races started mixing in with the gene pool of the Archons humans they created and their "purity" started to diminish. So that could be why they would start blood drinking as a last resort like the Druids did (not in a sacrificial, murderous type way). On the extreme end though we would have this serpent seed race or actual physical manifestations of these "draconian" like beings drinking blood and eating entrails for the same type effect. This is all just speculation btw ... And the dna in blood can still be mostly "inactive" but it still has "energy" that can be used by these psychic vampires.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
Not only possible but a bit more towards what one is edging towards....it is becoming more apparent TODAY (let alone eons ago) that people have been sourced, originated or created differently. The problem with discussing this sort of thing is that people want to assign immediate values of 'superior' or inferior , and get very reaction about it when its merely a matter of exploration. We'd have no idea if anyone was superior or inferior without examining those differences, and finding out where those differences were sourced or originated at.

Regarding superiority. In all cases this first race would have seemed superior but it would just be because they weren't tampered with and their energies would just flow freely - no inhibitions, no knots, no deception. The gnostics say that they (the first race) were the templates for the race created by the archons and everything is still there, it's just that there are installations, veils, and stuff was switched off. And the souls are programmed a little different. Reincarnation was never part of the process according to the gnostics it happens because of archontic intervention. I think it has something to do with them tampering with the soul, or there is some type of "installation", like a tag, that won't let the spirit ascend any higher than the realms they control (ie the 7 heavens, but I think we get caught in the lower ones). There is definitley infighting in which both sides don't have our best interest and there are some "typal" beings that Yaldabaoth created that "have seen the light" so to speak and no longer adhere to that luciferian type energy. That's what's in the texts at least.

It's difficult to sort it out especially if we chose not to rely on channeled material because who knows what agenda a lot of those entities are really trying to further.

[Jeffrey]

Ladon was the serpent-like dragon that twined and twisted around the tree in the Garden of the Hesperides and guarded the golden apples.

The Garden of the Hesperides

The Garden of the Hesperides is Hera's orchard in the west, where either a single tree or a grove of immortality-giving golden apples grew. The apples were planted from the fruited branches that Gaia gave to her as a wedding gift when Hera accepted Zeus. The Hesperides were given the task of tending to the grove, but occasionally plucked from it themselves. Not trusting them, Hera also placed in the garden a never-sleeping, hundred-headed dragon named Ladon as an additional safeguard.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesperides



Check out these pages too it goes into the Tree of Life motifs streaming through many different cultures (and the bird and the serpent connections as well).

http://firstlegend.info/thetreeoflife.html

http://firstlegend.info/3rivers/thetreeoflifepage2.html

[Chester]

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)

Posted by 9eagle9 (here)
To be very very clear....if the psyche which is animated by spirit can have an artificial installation attached to it then prana, could have a artificial installation dragging along on it as well (kundalini)? through its usual routes of expression?

I don't see why not, the gnostic texts descibe that the race of humans created by the Demiurge would act as a kind of retribution for his type of energy (ie his undoing). So, it could be that once the kundalini hitches a ride with the prana to meet shiva (there is a yoni/lingam complex in the third eye chakra as well. That lingam is WHITE while the lingam in the root chakra is BLACK) it has "been purified/retributed" or something like that. Or it could fuction as something else entirely in alignment with the plans of "archontic nature". Still looking into it.

I should add that I think it's the kundalini that plays a heavy role in reincarnation.

Hi Vivek... in reading this post, there is your mention of humans created by the demiurge, which to me implies there are humans created by another source.

Do you see this as possible?

If so, do you see that we have two types (perhaps more...) but at least two types of humans on earth in our present time, those created by the demiurge and those created by another source?

Thanks... justoneman

Yes, according to the Gnostics the "forethought" knew that the Demiurge was going to create a race of humans, so she sent down a race before he ever created one. It was this race he used to make his "Adam" in the image of the precursory race but with his "likeness" which I'm thinking is his counterfeit spirit. The Gnostics say that the deluge and the conflagration were NOT because of "wickedness" but because of rebellion against the archons. The first race was here to teach the "created-by-the-archons-humans" about the true nature and deception of the archons and to help awaken them to their true nature/power. This is symbolized by the first Adam and Eve (ie before the ones Yaldabaoth created).

Also I think the "souls" of this precursory race (like an immune response for Gaia) were the ones that were "manifested" to Sabaoth and his Christ (possibly) and they were told to be fruitful and multiply. Could be off a little on that last sentence. BUT if we consider humans arising/manifesting/evolving FROM and OF the earth and the spirit of gaia (Sophia) then I think they would be in harmony with each other and the planet - not off balance. I think that these were the old races in places we hear little about from history like Atlantis, Lemuria, Hyperborea, Thule etc etc. The gnostics said that this first race was the incoruptable, immovable race and that when the deluge happened there souls were taken to a safe haven (sort of like the Tuatha de Danann "went into hiding" or the myths of Avalon). I'm sure some of the bloodlines were passed on and live today (mixed in/watered down) but some could have actually went into hiding underground or underwater. That's just speculation and I'm playing with thoughts here trying to extrapolate this stuff. Continuing with this line of thought, this first race would be in harmony with their bodies and spirit since they weren't affected by the Archons oppressive tinkering with their own race. Some possiblities are that they wouldn't have a kundalini or foreign type installation, knotted chakras, "junk" dna, r-complexes etc etc... They weren't jacked with. They would have appeared "godlike" to us. Like the Asgardians, or what ever other myths we hear regarding "superhuman" like people. I also think that some lineages of this race possibly "gave in" to the deception after a fair amount of gene mixing and enough time had gone by to let history get muddied.

About dna too. It's possible that their blood was potent enough to actually produce beneficial effects if one were to drink it. This would be slightly different that blood sacrifice. I'm looking into astral dna too, I hadn't heard of it until today. A possibility is that these first races started mixing in with the gene pool of the Archons humans they created and their "purity" started to diminish. So that could be why they would start blood drinking as a last resort like the Druids did (not in a sacrificial, murderous type way). On the extreme end though we would have this serpent seed race or actual physical manifestations of these "draconian" like beings drinking blood and eating entrails for the same type effect. This is all just speculation btw ... And the dna in blood can still be mostly "inactive" but it still has "energy" that can be used by these psychic vampires.

Very interesting post... we apparently share far more common ground than I had previously considered... perhaps you may recall this post I made on April 30th...

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post478652

What is interesting is from where I received much of this information which so happened to be what some call a "dragon society."

I had previously come to the conclusion that the author of this thread considered anything "dragon" to be automatically "evil" and thus why I had difficulty with this thread in its early stages.

I would like to add one consideration - something pointed out to me yesterday in Houman's Horus-Ra thread - post #1110 -

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post510872

In the latest David Icke interview I think he mentioned that the archons lack the ability to create whereas we don't, so they create through us by manipulation. I wonder how the chief archon then created the other archons?

and this is in line with what 9eagle9 has been saying about her take on the archons.

Anyways, and on a personal note, both you, Vivek and 9eagle9 have been helpful in my quest for deeper truth and so I am saying, Thanks.

justoneman

[Chester]

Posted by Vivek (here)
There is definitley infighting in which both sides don't have our best interest and there are some "typal" beings that Yaldabaoth created that "have seen the light" so to speak and no longer adhere to that luciferian type energy. That's what's in the texts at least.

To Vivek -
One more question, do the texts refer to the specific name "lucifer" or is there some other way that you and/or another source has made this association? This is an important question for personal reasons so please connect these dots for me if you can - again, Thanks... justone

[Chester]

EDIT: no longer applicable

[Jeffrey]

Posted by justoneman (here)

Posted by Vivek (here)
It's difficult to sort it out especially if we chose not to rely on channeled material because who knows what agenda a lot of those entities are really trying to further.

One more question, do the texts refer to the specific name "lucifer" or is there some other way that you and/or another source has made this association? This is an important question for personal reasons so please connect these dots for me if you can - again, Thanks... justone

It's just the "adversary". Whether it be lucifer, satan, yaldabaoth...

Lucifer I think is only mentioned by name once or twice in the Christian Bible and it wasn't even a proper translation if I understand it correctly. The parallels are unmistakable between the "energetic paradigm" of this being though - in opposition to the Divine Will it tries to establish itself as chief god by means of amalgamation of energy from spirit contained in the soul (social memory complexes? Ra?) and self deification. The cathars and establishment christians use "satan" as they term it, but it's yaldabaoth to the gnostics and there are other correlations to this "oppresive/invasive" foreign energy elsewhere too.

No I don't think Lucifer was explicitly mentioned by the Gnostics but his name is used by the New Age "source" material, in satanic bibles, and in many occult circles that wouldn't nessecarily be considered "good" natured. A possibility is that the name began to be associated with "the bad guy" so much so that enough energy was put into in that "archontic forces" highjacked the "formation" of that "bad juju" that was psychically created by so much negative attention attatched to the thought of the name and it was created something like the way egregores, thought-forms, wendigos are etc (not exactly the same though idk). Either way I think it is now an emanation of this "archontic energy" nonetheless. Not to mention these entities lie all the time - they will call themselves Bhudda, Jesus, Lucifer, Elvis you name it. The deception is rampant.

[Jeffrey]

In regards to dragons and serpents and birds. I do think the serpent is representative of the power that these beings press on us. I think that dragons may represent a balance of sorts or something like that but really I know that there has been a campaign going on for millenia trying to smear/eradicate/mix any truth from these "first races" and bloodlines etc etc My interests as of right now lie in the common themes throughout culture/religion/history concerning the Tree of Life, the serpent, the dragon, and the eagle/hawk/pheonix... According to the gnostics Sabaoth was dragon headed and he was the "good guy" and ruled in the 7th heaven with knowledge of those above. So any bloodlines that were seeded could have had that connect considering souls were manifested to Sabaoth to counter Yaldabaoths plans. Dragon vs Serpent. Eagle/Hawk motif vs serpent. Storm gods vs serpent/chaos (chaoskampft). It could be that the eagle represented "soul seeds" from a higher source than the gnostic 7th heaven (all the heavens below the eight are considered the "heavens of chaos" according to the gnostics). All very interesting.

Regarding Yaldabaoth's ability to create. He does have some power from Sophia. He used some of it when he "breathed life" into his creations (it was of Sophia, and there are two versions). I think he can create inasmuch as we can with technology - build computers, make cars and peanut butter sandwiches. He has very little of this true power of creation from Sophia but he doesn't know what it's about and he wants it all. He "created" the other archons (12, and they in turn "created" other angels and demons) but from what I understand these are more like "emanations" like mimicry/cloning type stuff - nonetheless he's managed with the little "creatrix force" passed on to him from Sophia. He may bridge the gap with technology I'm thinking.

[Jeffrey]

Come to think of it, if physical blood is based of of physical DNA, that DNA could use the astral DNA as a template so to speak. If we consider that the soul (I do think there are more than one overlay of soul attached to the body) could have come from different sources then a soul that wasn't from the Archons wouldn't have been jacked with. So IF that non-archon affected soul incarnated into a body whose bloodline was inhibited/mixed/watered down and if the true template for the physical was the astral then the blood would be more "activated" if that unaffected soul incarnated into an affected bloodline.

[Chester]

Thanks Vivek for your last three posts ... I was hoping you would speak more about your own understandings as opposed to just posting materials from other sources.

I am really glad you are a member of this forum. You put a great deal of effort into the most relevant subject matter. As you know, I had a hard time with this thread but that was a few weeks back and thanks, in part to this thread, and a few others, I have been able to resolve most of my questions.

I am still confused as to who is who in the various cosmological explanations and even more confused as to who might be "good guys" and who might be "bad guys" in these myths.

I think its more up to each individual to explore one's identification with any mythological being and by doing so, may be able to know oneself more honestly and at a deeper level.

But I would be lying if I said I wanted to know all because I am enjoying the search, but that is speaking selfishly.

I do have one wish... and that would be to see... to live in a world where no being participated in the practice of animal/human sacrifice. But until I stop eating meat, to make that wish is probably hypocritical.

Dilemmas, dilemmas... will they ever end?

[trenairio]

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[LarryC]

<< Its not so much about the Illuminati, its about the investors on Wall Street, the failure of American politics, the neoconservative push for war, and suppression of zero point energy. There is not an occult network behind it. An 'Illuminati' is much more speculative than it is realistic, though Globalism is the main issue that supports an ongoing exploitation of resources and industry in third world countries and an 2008 market crash that was intentional. >>

Actually, you're just focusing on the tip of the iceberg. So are conventional leftist intellectuals like Noam Chomsky, brilliant as he may be. It goes far beyond the "failure of American politics." This is just the latest version of the paradigm that goes back at least as far as the Roman empire, probably much further back.

Despite this, I'm not anti-globalist. I think globalism is fundamentally a positive thing, though obviously not the way the elite want to implement it. There can also be a type of globalism that transcends national and religious boundaries in a good way. The internet, imperfect as it is, gives us many clues on how this can work.

[Jeffrey]

There is nothing speculative about the fact that the Illuminati existed in Bavaria and was dismantled by the end of the 18th century. That is were the story officially ends with the Illuminati. Yet, if one reads the writings of it's principle founders we can see that it was part of their plan to infiltrate Freemasonry and carry out there agenda veiled in the upper heirarchy of more "mundane" organizations. There is nothing speculative about Freemasonry and it's ties with nearly every American president and other wealthy power players in the rest of the world, and it's connections with the Theosophical/New Age Movement. Weishaupt wrote that even if his little club was publically disbanded it would come back more powerful and sly than ever. By the time it was dismantled Baron von Knigge had already drawn in well over 2,000 Freemasons into Weishaupt's Illuminati.

One of the original symbols for the Illuminati wasn't the pyramid with the all seeing eye, but an Ouroboros being simplified by a dot with a circle around it, which makes them even more relavant to the discussion at hand considering where the thread is going. Part of the plan is to make a Democratic Republic so unworkable that people would be willing to accept some perverted alternative - sacrifice liberty for security, unalienable rights for privalages, and the truth for official stories.

I agree with you, but I think there are underlying "occult" influences. I'm not saying somebody casts a spell somewhere and "poof" the market crashes. I don't think it's like that. It's not about pointing the finger either it's about lifting the lid off and peeking inside the containers labelled supression of technology, failures of democracy, war, globalism, and things of that nature. We too are containers and there is a figurative lid (or veil) that needs to be lifted within ourselves as well. It's not about the boogeyman like we are creating something to blame the wrongs of the world on some scapegoat. It's about observing the struggle within ourselves and seeing it's effect on the world, it's about uncovering what is influencing the people at the top so to speak, and it may not be entirely internal. The occult themes come in when we consider the source of the idealogies that drive action and thereby play out the ills of society that you just described. That's all.

[Jeffrey]

Posted by justoneman (here)
Thanks Vivek for your last three posts ... I was hoping you would speak more about your own understandings as opposed to just posting materials from other sources.

I am really glad you are a member of this forum. You put a great deal of effort into the most relevant subject matter. As you know, I had a hard time with this thread but that was a few weeks back and thanks, in part to this thread, and a few others, I have been able to resolve most of my questions.

I am still confused as to who is who in the various cosmological explanations and even more confused as to who might be "good guys" and who might be "bad guys" in these myths.

I think its more up to each individual to explore one's identification with any mythological being and by doing so, may be able to know oneself more honestly and at a deeper level.

But I would be lying if I said I wanted to know all because I am enjoying the search, but that is speaking selfishly.

I do have one wish... and that would be to see... to live in a world where no being participated in the practice of animal/human sacrifice. But until I stop eating meat, to make that wish is probably hypocritical.

Dilemmas, dilemmas... will they ever end?

A lot of the sources brought in have their personal commentary in them to some extent and they make connections differently than I may, so I don't subscribe to any one in particular. It is difficult to pick through it all because it is so mixed up. As far as the whos who that is really difficult but if we can form enough of an idea about the modus operandi of how these energies operate we can weed out where they have been and that helps I think.

Actually, you just reminded me of something considering possible genetic manipulation and eating meat (or ingesting anything). It's mitochondria. They are the power houses for the human body but the interesting thing about them is they have a completely separate genetic code than us and their DNA is circular (it is also passed on through the mother). Circular DNA is for bacteria, viruses, and archea but somehow this mitochondria found it's way into the human genome and the relationship reciprocally beneficial. In short, it provides acts as our power houses and we preserve it's survival in our own genome. So how would we have gotten along without it?

[Chester]

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Actually, you just reminded me of something considering possible genetic manipulation and eating meat (or ingesting anything). It's mitochondria. They are the power houses for the human body but the interesting thing about them is they have a completely separate genetic code than us and their DNA is circular (it is also passed on through the mother). Circular DNA is for bacteria, viruses, and archea but somehow this mitochondria found it's way into the human genome and the relationship reciprocally beneficial. In short, it provides acts as our power houses and we preserve it's survival in our own genome. So how would we have gotten along without it?

Fantastic last paragraph to your last post - I have spent a day contemplating it... I see a correlation at the physical level to what we may be experiencing to all our levels - the soul level, the spirit level and the mind level - and from this point of view -

If we cannot "rid ourselves" of the mitochondria (at the physical level) for whatever reasons, fear we then may die, fear we may lose our power supply, fear we are simply tinkering with our genetics (which perhaps put us in this position in the first place), then perhaps a solution would be to feed a different energy back to the mitochondria...

If one considers how some Sufis view the djinn, the djinn can take on a positive form or a negative form in relation to the one who interacts with the djinn. What if... and I am only speculating, but what if a solution is to accept the relationship from the point of view of our current experience and yet, take charge of one's soul, spirit and mind such that the energy we reflect is only the energy of love?

Perhaps one must go through some sort of personal growth process to be able to perform in such a manner... but the reason I mention this is, what if this could be a solution which, if adopted by more and more within the collective, could lead to an overall global solution?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jinn

Jinn (Arabic: جن‎ ǧinn, singular جني ǧinnī ; variant spelling djinn) or genies are supernatural creatures as mentioned in the Qur'an and often referred to in Arab folklore and Islamic mythology that occupy a parallel world to that of mankind. Together, jinn, humans and angels make up the three sentient creations of Allah. Religious sources say barely anything about them; however, the Qur'an mentions that Jinn are made of smokeless flame or "scorching fire".[1] Like human beings, the Jinn can also be good, evil, or neutrally benevolent.[2]